=== aaron is now known as Guest52701 === Guest52701 is now known as ahoneybun === aaron is now known as Guest26124 === Guest26124 is now known as ahoneybun === aaron is now known as Guest78283 === Guest78283 is now known as ahoneybun [09:13] hi all! I would like to try the devel-proposed channel in the emualor. But in the tutorial, when it shows how to open the launcher, I can't open it with swipe. So I can't use the pohne. Any idea? [09:30] robin-hero: In the emulator? You should be able to "imitate" the swipe by dragging with the mouse I think [09:31] SturmFlut: Yes, I know, I used emulator many times :D But it is not working with devel-proposed now :) [09:31] robin-hero: Ah, sorry. [09:32] robin-hero: That sounds like a bug then :/ [09:33] Yeah, I think that too [09:34] robin-hero: I haven't seen any related bug reports over the last week I think [09:35] I am just testing on another machine, just to be sure. :) === howefield_afk is now known as howefield === howefield is now known as howefield_afk [11:55] http://news.softpedia.com/news/Here-s-What-s-New-in-Ubuntu-Touch-OTA-4-Update-482755.shtml [11:58] .. and much more :-D [11:58] looks nice to me :p [11:59] hopefully scopes lag at boot will dissapear === aaron_ is now known as ahoneybun [13:26] good morning folks. is there a way to enable the mouse cursor? [13:29] err, to make the mouse cursor visible. i have a microsoft usb mouse plugged in. it is detected and working, just invisible. even in Window mode === howefield_afk is now known as howefield [14:42] hello all... [14:42] just curious what devices currently run Ubuntu Touch -- will the Nexus 9 work? === howefield is now known as howefield_afk [14:46] cprofitt, i don't see it on this list https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices [14:47] Yeah, that is why I was asking... [14:47] the N7 and N10 are not longer available. [14:47] in the states we don't have access to the BQ stuff (yet) [14:48] That bq 4.5 is EU only, afaik [14:48] * cprofitt nods === IdleOne is now known as Guest54633 [16:28] cprofitt: maybe the Chinese Ubuntu phone will have a US version [16:29] there's no plan for the Meizu MX4 in the US that I know of. [16:29] AFAIK the bq phone radio doesn't support US frequencies [16:30] oh [16:30] so the MX4 won't support US frequencies either? [16:31] popey: ^^^ [16:34] who made you think that ? [16:34] (or what) [16:35] ogra_: think what? [16:35] that the MX4 doesnt support US freqs [16:37] I'm just saying I don't think there's plans to _sell_ the device in the US. [16:37] it may well work fine over there [16:37] I was asking if that was the reason [16:37] it definitely works fine in the US [16:39] so that's better than the bq (supposedly) not working (everywhere) in the US, I guess? [16:40] it works [16:40] just not 3g [16:40] well, the bq work ... but max at 2g [16:40] ah [16:40] not fun if you actually have a data SIM ... [16:40] okayish if you travel and use WLAN for data anyway ... [16:40] though kind of defeats the purpose of having a second sim slot :) [16:41] IIRC some bq FAQ stated frequency issues for not selling in the US [16:42] but that might refer to 3G/data [16:42] bq does 3g too [16:42] yes, the 3g frequencies are different [16:42] OerHeks: in Europe [16:42] silly USA [16:42] and Quad-Band 850/900/1800/1900, so USA should be covered? [16:43] for calls, yes [16:43] but not 3g [16:43] oh oke, that is the issue. [16:48] ogra_: second SIM slot can be useful for travelling inside Europe too? :) [16:48] I was waiting for that meizu, 'till i found out it has no sdcard slot [16:49] Europe & other places using the same frequencies [16:50] e.g. in the ME & Africa AFAIK [16:59] JanC: I hope so... keep waiting for an announcement. [17:04] cprofitt: or convince a US mobile phone company to sell an Ubuntu phone :) [17:05] AIUI that's in progress [17:05] or maybe System 76 or the like can be convinced to do so [17:07] that's even harder [17:07] much easier to get people who have experience of manufacturing phones to make them [17:07] JanC: I ask every trip to my AT&T store when they are planning on getting one. [17:07] well, they could resell phones [17:08] popey: most "mobile phone brands" are resellers, right? [17:09] but someone needs to do the hardware enablement [17:09] and recognised brands are easier to sell than new entrants [17:10] Meizu & bq are hardly "well-known" [17:12] they are in their home turf [17:13] my point is system76 are unknown in phone markets _anywhere_ [17:14] which shouldn't be a huge problem for a developer phone? [17:15] also, when Medion, Acer, Asus, etc. sold their first smartphones, they had no experience either [17:18] all of whom are orders of magnitude larger than system76 [17:19] but is bq much larger than System 76? [17:19] I doubt so... === Guest54633 is now known as IdleOne [17:20] hard to know, system76 revenue is private [17:20] bq has over 900 employees [17:20] system76 is _way_ smaller as a company [17:21] system76 is just a re-badger and re-seller... and are very small. [17:21] great people though. [17:21] sure. I'm not being negative about system76 [17:22] so they could re-badge bq or Meizu phones [17:22] makes no sense [17:22] there's already precious little margin on devices [17:22] JanC: they could, but the issue in the US is getting carrier support [17:22] cprofitt: ugh [17:22] it is a tougher nut to crack than the EU due to all the subsidies [17:23] thats becoming less of an issue [17:23] for "indie" handsets [17:23] I am positive that the major carriers make money off of the phones despite the subsidies... [17:23] some companies sell direct - like OnePlus and Oppo [17:23] I expect we'd do the same initially [17:23] popey: for sure... there is a growing sub-set of people demanding unlocked unsubsidies phones [17:23] yeah [17:24] you mean they lock out phones? [17:24] some of the smaller 're-sellers' of carrier service are pushing that too. [17:24] JanC: no, many people in the US buy handsets which are subsidised by the network [17:24] same as in europe [17:24] JanC: when you guys an AT&T phone you can't take it to Verizon (usually) [17:24] but in the US it's way more common [17:25] I would say 90-95% buy subidies phones unless they are on month-to-month or pay-as-you-go plans [17:25] two year contracts are the norm. [17:25] right, but a non-subsidised phone should still work right? [17:25] thats pretty common in the uk too [17:25] right [17:25] but people are locked into contracts [17:25] JanC: only if the carrier is willing to accept it. [17:25] or of the mindset that it's the normal way, to buy locked phones [17:25] the Nexus 4 I have only works with AT&T or T-Mobile [17:26] cprofitt: you have sim-only deals though? [17:26] and I get a lower tier of service because it was not branded by either [17:26] WTF? [17:26] T-Mobile would not allow voice calls over IP unless you had their branded Nexus 4 [17:26] i hear the dont sell nexus7 anymore [17:27] correct -- US is all Nexus 6 or Nexus 9 right now. [17:27] shame, the nexus 5 was a decent device [17:27] does touch run on 6 or 9 yet? [17:27] the churn on devices is very high [17:27] no [17:27] touch needs porting to android L [17:27] so no tablets anymore for ubuntu touch? [17:28] is it mandatory to build/port touch on Ubuntu system? [17:28] lotuspsychje: nexus 7 2013 and nexus 10 both work [17:29] lotuspsychje: we'll have to move to Android L at some point [17:29] popey: ah nexus10 works smooth as 7? [17:29] and when we do that'll make porting to those devices easier, but someone still needs to do the work [17:29] I understand subsidized devices to be locked to the subsidizer until you pay them off, but everything beyond that sounds like a racketeering scheme really... [17:29] neither are perfect [17:29] JanC: welcome to the mobile phone business for the last 20 years [17:29] popey: well i cant complain on 7, working pretty flawless to me [17:29] popey: not over here :) [17:29] unfortimately it needs more love [17:30] http://news.softpedia.com/news/Here-s-What-s-New-in-Ubuntu-Touch-OTA-4-Update-482755.shtml [17:30] JanC: it's not _that_ different [17:35] popey: here it's illegal for mobile phone providers to lock SIMs after you paid for the full contract, which can be at most worth 1 or 2 years of subscription IIRC [17:35] same in most places [17:35] you can get the lock off when the contract ends [17:35] which is reasonable. [17:37] and it's illegal to sell a phone combined with a contract if it isn't also available separately === howefield_afk is now known as howefield === howefield is now known as howefield_afk [20:31] Hi, I have a ubuntu touch on nexus tablet and I am trying to run my .sh file but it says permission denied. I have used chmod +x for execute permission but still the same problem. [20:39] New post: http://sturmflut.github.io/ubuntu/touch/2015/05/30/my-favourite-ubuntu-touch-apps-may-2015/ [20:40] If you want to be on next months list, I am open for "donations" ;) [20:49] Oh wow: https://plus.google.com/101402903185277489519/posts/Sr37GBA8ZcR can anybody confirm? [20:55] oooh === BOHverkill_ is now known as BOHverkill === mibofra is now known as Guest38824 [22:27] Anyone have ubuntu installed on Galaxy note 3? [22:39] Is there an image that works well with Galaxy note 3? [22:39] !devices | torontoyes [22:39] torontoyes: You can find the full list of devices, official images, community images, and works in progress at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices [22:40] popey, I looked, but I did not see an image for Note 3. [22:47] I guess I'm "SOL" [22:49] Is it possible to install Ubuntu on a standard Android Meizu MX4? [22:54] So.. there are no images for Galaxy Note 3? n900t [22:59] torontoyes: thats exactly why I gave you that link [22:59] if there is no image there, that's your answer [22:59] Sad. [22:59] Fortunately, I do have an htc one.. woo hoo. [23:00] lol [23:01] popey, whats the reasoning for that? I have not been following the progress of this. [23:01] because nobody has ported it [23:01] zerwas: depends, read this https://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntu-phone/msg12956.html [23:04] popey: Thank you for the link. That's too bad. === aaron is now known as Guest5003