[09:13] <robin-hero> hi all! I would like to try the devel-proposed channel in the emualor. But in the tutorial, when it shows how to open the launcher, I can't open it with swipe. So I can't use the pohne. Any idea?
[09:30] <SturmFlut> robin-hero: In the emulator? You should be able to "imitate" the swipe by dragging with the mouse I think
[09:31] <robin-hero> SturmFlut: Yes, I know, I used emulator many times :D But it is not working with devel-proposed now :)
[09:31] <SturmFlut> robin-hero: Ah, sorry.
[09:32] <SturmFlut> robin-hero: That sounds like a bug then :/
[09:33] <robin-hero> Yeah, I think that too
[09:34] <SturmFlut> robin-hero: I haven't seen any related bug reports over the last week I think
[09:35] <robin-hero> I am just testing on another machine, just to be sure. :)
[11:55] <lotuspsychje> http://news.softpedia.com/news/Here-s-What-s-New-in-Ubuntu-Touch-OTA-4-Update-482755.shtml
[11:58] <OerHeks> .. and much more :-D
[11:58] <lotuspsychje> looks nice to me :p
[11:59] <lotuspsychje> hopefully scopes lag at boot will dissapear
[13:26] <hallucy> good morning folks. is there a way to enable the mouse cursor?
[13:29] <hallucy> err, to make the mouse cursor visible. i have a microsoft usb mouse plugged in. it is detected and working, just invisible. even in Window mode
[14:42] <cprofitt> hello all...
[14:42] <cprofitt> just curious what devices currently run Ubuntu Touch -- will the Nexus 9 work?
[14:46] <OerHeks> cprofitt, i don't see it on this list https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices
[14:47] <cprofitt> Yeah, that is why I was asking...
[14:47] <cprofitt> the N7 and N10 are not longer available.
[14:47] <cprofitt> in the states we don't have access to the BQ stuff (yet)
[14:48] <OerHeks> That bq 4.5 is EU only, afaik
[14:48]  * cprofitt nods
[16:28] <JanC> cprofitt: maybe the Chinese Ubuntu phone will have a US version
[16:29] <popey> there's no plan for the Meizu MX4 in the US that I know of.
[16:29] <JanC> AFAIK the bq phone radio doesn't support US frequencies
[16:30] <JanC> oh
[16:30] <JanC> so the MX4 won't support US frequencies either?
[16:31] <JanC> popey: ^^^
[16:34] <ogra_> who made you think that ?
[16:34] <ogra_> (or what)
[16:35] <JanC> ogra_: think what?
[16:35] <ogra_> that the MX4 doesnt support US freqs
[16:37] <popey> I'm just saying I don't think there's plans to _sell_ the device in the US.
[16:37] <popey> it may well work fine over there
[16:37] <JanC> I was asking if that was the reason
[16:37] <ogra_> it definitely works fine in the US
[16:39] <JanC> so that's better than the bq (supposedly) not working (everywhere) in the US, I guess?
[16:40] <popey> it works
[16:40] <popey> just not 3g
[16:40] <ogra_> well, the bq work ... but max at 2g
[16:40] <JanC> ah
[16:40] <ogra_> not fun if you actually have a data SIM ...
[16:40] <ogra_> okayish if you travel and use WLAN for data anyway ...
[16:40] <ogra_> though kind of defeats the purpose of having a second sim slot :)
[16:41] <JanC> IIRC some bq FAQ stated frequency issues for not selling in the US
[16:42] <JanC> but that might refer to 3G/data
[16:42] <OerHeks> bq does 3g too
[16:42] <popey> yes, the 3g frequencies are different
[16:42] <JanC> OerHeks: in Europe
[16:42] <popey> silly USA
[16:42] <OerHeks> and Quad-Band 850/900/1800/1900, so USA should be covered?
[16:43] <popey> for calls, yes
[16:43] <popey> but not 3g
[16:43] <OerHeks> oh oke, that is the issue.
[16:48] <JanC> ogra_: second SIM slot can be useful for travelling inside Europe too?  :)
[16:48] <OerHeks> I was waiting for that meizu, 'till i found out it has no sdcard slot
[16:49] <JanC> Europe & other places using the same frequencies
[16:50] <JanC> e.g. in the ME & Africa AFAIK
[16:59] <cprofitt> JanC: I hope so... keep waiting for an announcement.
[17:04] <JanC> cprofitt: or convince a US mobile phone company to sell an Ubuntu phone  :)
[17:05] <popey> AIUI that's in progress
[17:05] <JanC> or maybe System 76 or the like can be convinced to do so
[17:07] <popey> that's even harder
[17:07] <popey> much easier to get people who have experience of manufacturing phones to make them
[17:07] <cprofitt> JanC: I ask every trip to my AT&T store when they are planning on getting one.
[17:07] <JanC> well, they could resell phones
[17:08] <JanC> popey: most "mobile phone brands" are resellers, right?
[17:09] <popey> but someone needs to do the hardware enablement
[17:09] <popey> and recognised brands are easier to sell than new entrants
[17:10] <JanC> Meizu & bq are hardly "well-known"
[17:12] <popey> they are in their home turf
[17:13] <popey> my point is system76 are unknown in phone markets _anywhere_
[17:14] <JanC> which shouldn't be a huge problem for a developer phone?
[17:15] <JanC> also, when Medion, Acer, Asus, etc. sold their first smartphones, they had no experience either
[17:18] <popey> all of whom are orders of magnitude larger than system76
[17:19] <JanC> but is bq much larger than System 76?
[17:19] <JanC> I doubt so...
[17:20] <popey> hard to know, system76 revenue is private
[17:20] <popey> bq has over 900 employees
[17:20] <popey> system76 is _way_ smaller as a company
[17:21] <cprofitt> system76 is just a re-badger and re-seller... and are very small.
[17:21] <cprofitt> great people though.
[17:21] <popey> sure. I'm not being negative about system76
[17:22] <JanC> so they could re-badge bq or Meizu phones
[17:22] <popey> makes no sense
[17:22] <popey> there's already precious little margin on devices
[17:22] <cprofitt> JanC: they could, but the issue in the US is getting carrier support
[17:22] <JanC> cprofitt: ugh
[17:22] <cprofitt> it is a tougher nut to crack than the EU due to all the subsidies
[17:23] <popey> thats becoming less of an issue
[17:23] <popey> for "indie" handsets
[17:23] <cprofitt> I am positive that the major carriers make money off of the phones despite the subsidies...
[17:23] <popey> some companies sell direct - like OnePlus and Oppo
[17:23] <popey> I expect we'd do the same initially
[17:23] <cprofitt> popey: for sure... there is a growing sub-set of people demanding unlocked unsubsidies phones
[17:23] <popey> yeah
[17:24] <JanC> you mean they lock out phones?
[17:24] <cprofitt> some of the smaller 're-sellers' of carrier service are pushing that too.
[17:24] <popey> JanC: no, many people in the US buy handsets which are subsidised by the network
[17:24] <popey> same as in europe
[17:24] <cprofitt> JanC: when you guys an AT&T phone you can't take it to Verizon (usually)
[17:24] <popey> but in the US it's way more common
[17:25] <cprofitt> I would say 90-95% buy subidies phones unless they are on month-to-month or pay-as-you-go plans
[17:25] <cprofitt> two year contracts are the norm.
[17:25] <JanC> right, but a non-subsidised phone should still work right?
[17:25] <popey> thats pretty common in the uk too
[17:25] <popey> right
[17:25] <popey> but people are locked into contracts
[17:25] <cprofitt> JanC: only if the carrier is willing to accept it.
[17:25] <popey> or of the mindset that it's the normal way, to buy locked phones
[17:25] <cprofitt> the Nexus 4 I have only works with AT&T or T-Mobile
[17:26] <popey> cprofitt: you have sim-only deals though?
[17:26] <cprofitt> and I get a lower tier of service because it was not branded by either
[17:26] <JanC> WTF?
[17:26] <cprofitt> T-Mobile would not allow voice calls over IP unless you had their branded Nexus 4
[17:26] <lotuspsychje> i hear the dont sell nexus7 anymore
[17:27] <cprofitt> correct -- US is all Nexus 6 or Nexus 9 right now.
[17:27] <popey> shame, the nexus 5 was a decent device
[17:27] <lotuspsychje> does touch run on 6 or 9 yet?
[17:27] <popey> the churn on devices is very high
[17:27] <popey> no
[17:27] <popey> touch needs porting to android L
[17:27] <lotuspsychje> so no tablets anymore for ubuntu touch?
[17:28] <ice9> is it mandatory to build/port touch on Ubuntu system?
[17:28] <popey> lotuspsychje: nexus 7 2013 and nexus 10 both work
[17:29] <popey> lotuspsychje: we'll have to move to Android L at some point
[17:29] <lotuspsychje> popey: ah nexus10 works smooth as 7?
[17:29] <popey> and when we do that'll make porting to those devices easier, but someone still needs to do the work
[17:29] <JanC> I understand subsidized devices to be locked to the subsidizer until you pay them off, but everything beyond that sounds like a racketeering scheme really...
[17:29] <popey> neither are perfect
[17:29] <popey> JanC: welcome to the mobile phone business for the last 20 years
[17:29] <lotuspsychje> popey: well i cant complain on 7, working pretty flawless to me
[17:29] <JanC> popey: not over here :)
[17:29] <popey> unfortimately it needs more love
[17:30] <lotuspsychje> http://news.softpedia.com/news/Here-s-What-s-New-in-Ubuntu-Touch-OTA-4-Update-482755.shtml
[17:30] <popey> JanC: it's not _that_ different
[17:35] <JanC> popey: here it's illegal for mobile phone providers to lock SIMs after you paid for the full contract, which can be at most worth 1 or 2 years of subscription IIRC
[17:35] <popey> same in most places
[17:35] <popey> you can get the lock off when the contract ends
[17:35] <popey> which is reasonable.
[17:37] <JanC> and it's illegal to sell a phone combined with a contract if it isn't also available separately
[20:31] <chetan> Hi, I have a ubuntu touch on nexus tablet and I am trying to run my .sh file but it says permission denied. I have used chmod +x for execute permission but still the same problem.
[20:39] <SturmFlut> New post: http://sturmflut.github.io/ubuntu/touch/2015/05/30/my-favourite-ubuntu-touch-apps-may-2015/
[20:40] <SturmFlut> If you want to be on next months list, I am open for "donations" ;)
[20:49] <SturmFlut> Oh wow: https://plus.google.com/101402903185277489519/posts/Sr37GBA8ZcR can anybody confirm?
[20:55] <popey> oooh
[22:27] <torontoyes> Anyone have ubuntu installed on Galaxy note 3?
[22:39] <torontoyes> Is there an image that works well with Galaxy note 3?
[22:39] <popey> !devices | torontoyes
[22:40] <torontoyes> popey, I looked, but I did not see an image for Note 3.
[22:47] <torontoyes> I guess I'm "SOL"
[22:49] <zerwas> Is it possible to install Ubuntu on a standard Android Meizu MX4?
[22:54] <torontoyes> So.. there are no images for Galaxy Note 3?  n900t
[22:59] <popey> torontoyes: thats exactly why I gave you that link
[22:59] <popey> if there is no image there, that's your answer
[22:59] <torontoyes> Sad.
[22:59] <torontoyes> Fortunately, I do have an htc one.. woo hoo.
[23:00] <torontoyes> lol
[23:01] <torontoyes> popey, whats the reasoning for that?  I have not been following the progress of this.
[23:01] <popey> because nobody has ported it
[23:01] <popey> zerwas: depends, read this https://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntu-phone/msg12956.html
[23:04] <zerwas> popey: Thank you for the link. That's too bad.