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| MAPcz | YO | 03:45 |
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| MAPcz | back in gib | 03:45 |
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| mapGIB | :) | 03:45 |
| zmoylan-pi | what dragged you over to cz? | 03:50 |
| mapGIB | ah | 03:51 |
| mapGIB | was in cz last time i used this laptop | 03:51 |
| mapGIB | back in gib now | 03:51 |
| zmoylan-pi | work or holiday made you go there? | 03:52 |
| mapGIB | cz? | 03:52 |
| mapGIB | holiday | 03:52 |
| mapGIB | back in uk on 20th june for a wedding;( man uk is depressing | 06:00 |
| mapGIB | be glad once ive moved all my stuff and sold up | 06:00 |
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| === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte | ||
| brobostigon | morning boys and girls. | 09:00 |
| ne2k_ | popey, you about today? | 11:36 |
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| === ne3k is now known as ne2k | ||
| popey_ | No :) | 11:37 |
| popey_ | Wassup? | 11:37 |
| ne2k | haha | 11:37 |
| ne2k | got fglrx installed, working well, but still having very little joy with rtl8723be | 11:38 |
| popey_ | :( | 11:38 |
| ne2k | on HP probook 455 G2 | 11:38 |
| ne2k | I've built the rtlwifi_new from git and installed that | 11:38 |
| ne2k | tried setting module parameters msi=Y ips=N fwlps=N, various things | 11:39 |
| ne2k | msi=Y allowed network scanning to work, but it still couldnt' connect wtih network manager | 11:39 |
| popey_ | Did you get a mail from our guys? | 11:39 |
| ne2k | however, if I connect using /etc/network/interfaces, it works fine | 11:39 |
| ne2k | popey_ only an initial one asking for lspci -vv, lsusb -v and uname -a, which I sent them | 11:39 |
| popey_ | Ok | 11:39 |
| ne2k | I couldnt' send it until fri evening becasue the machine is at home and i was at work when were talking on fri | 11:40 |
| popey_ | Guess you won't get much more till monday | 11:40 |
| ne2k | no, that's fine | 11:40 |
| ne2k | thought I'd piss around myself in the meantime ;-) | 11:40 |
| popey_ | Thanks | 11:40 |
| ne2k | foolishly stayed up till midnight last night messing around with it and now I'm knackered lol | 11:40 |
| popey_ | Hah | 11:40 |
| ne2k | right, I'm off | 11:40 |
| ne2k | ta | 11:41 |
| bujji | popey:helllo how can i upgrade ubuntu versioin form 12.X to 14.X | 15:12 |
| bujji | hey any one | 15:14 |
| moreati | bujji: which version are you trying to upgrade from? 12.04 or 12.10? | 15:15 |
| bujji | 12.04 | 15:16 |
| moreati | and is it 14.04 that you want to upgrade to? | 15:16 |
| moreati | aka the Long Term Support release | 15:17 |
| popey | !upgrade | 15:18 |
| lubotu3 | For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes - see also http://www.ubuntu.com/desktop/get-ubuntu/upgrade | 15:18 |
| bujji | morweati:yes | 15:18 |
| moreati | bujji: as linked by popey, follow these instructions https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TrustyTahr/ReleaseNotes#Upgrading_from_Ubuntu_12.04_LTS_or_Ubuntu_13.10 | 15:20 |
| bujji | moreati:okey,thaank you...after i will let you on this. | 15:22 |
| bujji | you know* | 15:22 |
| bigcalm | Good morning peeps :) | 16:15 |
| elfy | hi bigcalm | 16:15 |
| ali1234 | anyone know how to make android studio (which is intellij) operate at a reasonable speed? | 16:17 |
| ali1234 | will it be faster if i use oracle java insteadof openjdk? | 16:17 |
| zmoylan-pi | if you can manage that google has job for you :-) | 16:18 |
| ali1234 | hah | 16:18 |
| ali1234 | that's what i thought | 16:18 |
| ali1234 | i already encountered three bugs just during the installation | 16:18 |
| zmoylan-pi | i've never seen android development and vm instances any way other than appallingly slow | 16:19 |
| ali1234 | this reminds me of visual basic 5 | 16:19 |
| zmoylan-pi | vb5 would load and crash in minutes i tells ya!! :-D | 16:20 |
| ali1234 | pretty much what android studio does | 16:20 |
| ali1234 | maybe i can turn off all the code completion? | 16:20 |
| zmoylan-pi | nah takes ages for the crashes to happen due to the sluggishnes of the system | 16:20 |
| ali1234 | it has taken me two days just to get it to compile the default "new project" code | 16:21 |
| ali1234 | and then the first time i edited the code the whole IDE immediately disappeared | 16:21 |
| zmoylan-pi | i think i got it in one day. but it was a long long summer day starting early :-) | 16:21 |
| ali1234 | hmm i just had a idea | 16:22 |
| ali1234 | i could use Qt instead | 16:22 |
| MartijnVdS | xlib,. | 16:22 |
| ali1234 | i wont have to deal with any of this | 16:22 |
| ali1234 | how fast is "Intel(R) Atom(TM) CPU N455 @ 1.66GHz" (dual core) compared to modern ARM chips for desktop use eg running Android Studio? | 16:34 |
| daftykins | ugh atom | 16:36 |
| popey | those are netbook CPUs and often limited in how much ram they can have | 16:37 |
| daftykins | yarr rarely you could get 2GB on 'em | 16:38 |
| ali1234 | yeah i have 1GB | 16:39 |
| ali1234 | i'm quite far into swap that probably isn't helping | 16:39 |
| ali1234 | actually... i only have 12MB of swap free | 16:40 |
| daftykins | :S | 16:40 |
| popey | heh | 16:40 |
| popey | intellij seems to work okay here, but this is i7 with 16GB RAM | 16:41 |
| popey | which probably helps | 16:41 |
| zmoylan-pi | just a smidge... :-P | 16:41 |
| shauno | I hope it helps, else I've wasted a lot of money | 16:41 |
| bigcalm | Anybody here had experience with USB NICs? | 16:42 |
| ali1234 | sure, i just plug them in and they work :) | 16:43 |
| popey | bigcalm: yes, i have a couple | 16:43 |
| popey | yeah, some better than others | 16:43 |
| popey | the apple one I have is the better of them all. | 16:43 |
| bigcalm | There are LOTS on amazon. I wondered what should be avoided | 16:44 |
| ali1234 | wireless or wired? | 16:44 |
| bigcalm | wired | 16:44 |
| popey | avoid the cheapest one | 16:44 |
| bigcalm | Yes | 16:44 |
| bigcalm | They will be used on my proliant microserver, so USB 2.0 only sadly | 16:45 |
| bigcalm | That said, I'm sure that 3.0 will work. I'm not expecting more than 10/100 to work | 16:45 |
| popey | you could buy a pci car with faster ethernet ports | 16:46 |
| popey | *card | 16:46 |
| ali1234 | wait why do you need a usb ethernet for a server? | 16:46 |
| ali1234 | doesn't it already have ethernet? | 16:46 |
| shauno | it's difficult to know which ones to avoid without opening them :/ the only thing that makes the apple ones good is shielding | 16:46 |
| ali1234 | and yeah just get a pci card | 16:47 |
| bigcalm | I could by a double card, I'm looking at USB so that I can throw them at multiple devices that don't have pci | 16:48 |
| zmoylan-pi | then wireless would be more useful perhaps? | 16:48 |
| daftykins | USB =| | 16:49 |
| ali1234 | USB equals pipe? | 16:49 |
| zmoylan-pi | pfft, i used to have a parallel coax network dohickey from dlink back in the days of novell. :-) | 16:50 |
| * bigcalm buys http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Intel-EXPI9402PTGL20-Pro-1000-Dual-Port-Gigabit-PCI-E-Low-Profile-Network-Card/111677371876?_trksid=p2047675.c100009.m1982&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20140328180637%26meid%3D6d307a65a97c4ce1a96683cd6e2b4895%26pid%3D100009%26rk%3D4%26rkt%3D10%26sd%3D121658376022 | 16:50 | |
| elfy | holy batman link | 16:50 |
| bigcalm | zmoylan-pi: don't want wifi as I'm playing around with wired networking. I've just bought this to play around with http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/3COM-3CR17561-91-SUPERSTACK-3-SWITCH-4500-26-PORT-2x-SFP-/171026058111?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item27d1f28b7f | 16:52 |
| bigcalm | Humf | 16:56 |
| daftykins | o0 | 16:56 |
| bigcalm | Turns out that minecraft (via ATLauncher) doesn't like it when I use the intel graphics of this laptop. | 16:56 |
| bigcalm | Time to swith over to the fan heavy nvidia graphisc | 16:56 |
| * bigcalm logs back in for instant fan fun | 16:59 | |
| daftykins | sounds like you could do with a disassemble and thermal paste upgrade :> | 17:00 |
| bigcalm | Laptop | 17:00 |
| zmoylan-pi | or move to a colder location | 17:00 |
| daftykins | being a laptop doesn't invalidate my statement | 17:00 |
| daftykins | makes it even more just :) | 17:00 |
| * SuperEngineer wonders about daftykins's sanity thinking he is a laptop | 17:02 | |
| daftykins | :D | 17:02 |
| daftykins | it has improved greatly since leaving #ubuntu | 17:02 |
| SuperEngineer | :) | 17:02 |
| knightwise | hmm.. I have never understood why hibernate/suspênd to disk was disabled in Ubuntu. | 17:22 |
| knightwise | Trying to find out if its hard to enable / re-enable on the DellXps13 | 17:22 |
| popey | knightwise: its disabled for a reason :) | 17:31 |
| directhex | some horrible security issue iirc | 17:32 |
| ali1234_ | right, got a better computer. quad i5 and 6GB | 17:33 |
| ali1234_ | i love how you can just swap the hard drives and carry on | 17:33 |
| directhex | i think it's a secure boot issue? | 17:34 |
| knightwise | popey: does it have to do with secure boot or something ? I"m looking at getting the dell xps13 and I would love to have the luxury over open-close lid | 17:37 |
| knightwise | of "open close lid" ... just like i have with the mac | 17:38 |
| daftykins | haha, the mac where you have to go CLI / install third party software to STOP it sleeping on lid close | 17:44 |
| daftykins | amusing machines, them | 17:44 |
| * bigcalm tries to swim in lava and then rage quits | 17:49 | |
| knightwise | daftykins: not always. I can keep my mac "awake" when the lid is closed as long as I have an external keyboard/mouse connected. | 17:51 |
| daftykins | lol | 17:51 |
| daftykins | that must be a fun balancing act | 17:51 |
| daftykins | do you juggle too? :) | 17:51 |
| knightwise | I don"t have a real problem with doing that. At least they hibernate/resume. | 17:52 |
| knightwise | when you are in a meeting or need to pack up an go in a rush its very convenient to have that functionality | 17:52 |
| daftykins | i have been using xubuntu a bit on this old Sony laptop i have, but oh dear they fail to put in some of the standard things you epect from a DE | 17:52 |
| daftykins | watching a video fullscreen... the screen dims and will lock eventually | 17:52 |
| daftykins | well, go blank and stop the video | 17:53 |
| knightwise | ouch | 17:54 |
| daftykins | i see your point yeah, never had the need myself | 17:55 |
| zmoylan-pi | yeah took me a while to kill all the screensavers and power saving dohickeys | 17:55 |
| knightwise | Yeah , the point is, even since I became self employed I need my stuff to "just work". Whenever I loose an hour or two on tinkering with stuff ... Those could have been billable hours | 17:56 |
| knightwise | + doing presentations with a client while suffering from a wonky laptop .. not good at all. | 17:57 |
| knightwise | So i use the mac mostly when I need to do presentations, videoproductions and Audio recording. | 17:57 |
| shauno | iirc 'clamshell mode' is a documented, by-design behaviour. it'll run closed if you're treating it as a desktop (power, display & keyboard) | 17:57 |
| knightwise | but for the rest I would like to have a lean small system running Linux. | 17:57 |
| knightwise | Thus : The xps13. | 17:57 |
| daftykins | knightwise: how come you want Linux then? ;) | 17:59 |
| knightwise | I need to keep my "cross platform" skills up (Mac laptop , Windows 8.1 Pro tablet, Android Tablet, Ubuntu Phone and .. a ubuntu laptop) | 18:02 |
| knightwise | (or a "linux" laptop) | 18:02 |
| zmoylan-pi | get a chromebook for a linux laptop :-) | 18:02 |
| knightwise | When I started up my company I did it on linux (Lenovo twist13) for the first 3 months. Worked like a charm. | 18:02 |
| knightwise | zmoylan-pi: got one, did chrouton on it. Not bad actually but it misses some of the functionalities (like tunneling home over SSH) | 18:03 |
| daftykins | nah you'd need to put something proper on, not those nasty chroot hacks | 18:04 |
| daftykins | although my vote would never be chromebook :> | 18:05 |
| knightwise | daftykins: so you are saying : Full ubuntu install ? | 18:05 |
| knightwise | perhaps not such a bad idea to give that a try. | 18:06 |
| daftykins | yep if whichever model you have has enough storage and supports it | 18:07 |
| daftykins | often those things need too much modding to work right | 18:07 |
| knightwise | https://www.distroshare.com/distros/get/12/ | 18:07 |
| daftykins | i certainly always ignored anyone in #ubuntu trying to get one working | 18:07 |
| knightwise | there are pre cut and dry distro"s tweaked to get it working. | 18:07 |
| daftykins | yeah that was what someone the other day was running who i ignored | 18:07 |
| knightwise | nice ! ... as a hobby project. | 18:09 |
| ali1234_ | this intellij IDE is actually pretty good | 18:30 |
| ali1234_ | it tells you if you import things and then don't use them | 18:30 |
| ali1234_ | and it also highlights redundant code | 18:30 |
| zmoylan-pi | doing some elementary code in bash and perl i use nano to start with and as the files grow larger geaney. nice lite ide that doesn't irk me. | 18:40 |
| ali1234_ | is there a maintained ubuntu touch image for nexus 7 2012? | 18:57 |
| ali1234_ | because anything is easier than trying to write code for android | 18:58 |
| ali1234_ | also does ubuntu touch have gstreamer? | 18:59 |
| ali1234_ | i would assume it does | 19:00 |
| popey | yes | 19:07 |
| popey | (to gstreamer) | 19:07 |
| popey | no to nexus 7 2012 | 19:07 |
| popey | there's an old image but nothing recent, we dropped it a while back | 19:07 |
| popey | I'm looking for a cheap Intel based tablet I can install Ubuntu on. Thinking maybe one of those Dell Venue things might be an option | 19:08 |
| penguin42 | popey: I know there are fedora hacks for some of them; search for fedlet - some of them have 32bit EFI that can make it a little tricky | 19:21 |
| popey | neat | 19:23 |
| penguin42 | popey: I don't know if anyone has done the Tesco Hudl 2 yet? | 19:24 |
| popey | no, dont think so | 19:24 |
| popey | the android devices are mostly not easily done, the windowws ones are | 19:24 |
| penguin42 | http://www.modaco.com/topic/374262-found-hudl2-compatible-flash-tool-via-fastboot/page-3 yeh not looking promising | 19:25 |
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| MartijnVdS | I now have android M on my old phone (N5) | 19:56 |
| Azelphur | MartijnVdS: how is it? | 20:01 |
| MartijnVdS | not that different from 5.1 | 20:07 |
| MartijnVdS | Major stuff has been summed up at ars (with screenshots) | 20:07 |
| Azelphur | I see | 20:09 |
| penguin42 | MartijnVdS: What kernel version is in it? | 20:10 |
| MartijnVdS | penguin42: let me check | 20:16 |
| MartijnVdS | boot is super-fast | 20:17 |
| MartijnVdS | non-first boot | 20:17 |
| MartijnVdS | 3.4.0-gb87733d | 20:17 |
| daftykins | probably isn't a full boot? | 20:17 |
| daftykins | ancient :< | 20:17 |
| MartijnVdS | yeah that does look stone-age | 20:17 |
| daftykins | gotta wonder about the thinking with that | 20:18 |
| MartijnVdS | 3 years | 20:18 |
| MartijnVdS | Maybe the patches are too hard to port to newer kernels? | 20:18 |
| MartijnVdS | Or some vendor has some closed-source driver blob that won't work on newer kernels? | 20:18 |
| penguin42 | MartijnVdS: Yeh that's why I ask, I've been trying to merge up an android kernel to something newer and it's really hard | 20:19 |
| intrbiz | most arm boards seem to have older kernels, odroid is 3.10 | 20:24 |
| MartijnVdS | Pi is slowly getting to 3.19 | 20:25 |
| penguin42 | intrbiz: Yeh a lot derive from either the chip vendor or the android aosp (?) set that come out in chunks; although the reality is they tend to have chunks of them back ported random bits from newer kernels | 20:25 |
| MartijnVdS | because why work WITH the kernel devs, right | 20:25 |
| MartijnVdS | if you can work AGAINST them | 20:25 |
| intrbiz | penguin42: yeh, I think the samsung chips are a modified 3.10 kernel | 20:26 |
| penguin42 | MartijnVdS: One of the problems they have is that they change the chips so frequently they cant keep up - especially when they haven't sent the previous set up | 20:26 |
| MartijnVdS | I mean.. *finally* a proper DRI/DRM/KMS module set for VC4 is emerging | 20:26 |
| intrbiz | MartijnVdS: indeed, wish more people would mainline than out of tree bodge | 20:26 |
| MartijnVdS | intrbiz: especially for Raspberry Pi and similar "we're oh so open source friendly" projects | 20:27 |
| intrbiz | MartijnVdS: yes, broadcom reknowned for being a pillar in the open source world | 20:27 |
| MartijnVdS | intrbiz: Qualcomm/Atheros on the other hand.. have you seen their patch volumes? | 20:28 |
| MartijnVdS | especially on ath9/10k | 20:29 |
| intrbiz | MartijnVdS: no, but at least they have a history of OS drivers and also free firmware for some chips | 20:29 |
| intrbiz | MartijnVdS: it's the restricted firmware which narks me the most, absolutely no need for it | 20:29 |
| MartijnVdS | intrbiz: yeah, and one of their devs is (I think) one of the openwrt top devs | 20:30 |
| intrbiz | right | 20:30 |
| intrbiz | i just find it amusing that the PI uses a CPU from a vendor with such a terrible reputation in the OS world | 20:30 |
| zmoylan-pi | didn't someone just buy broadcom? | 20:31 |
| MartijnVdS | zmoylan-pi: didn't someone just buy qualcomm? | 20:32 |
| MartijnVdS | ah no | 20:32 |
| MartijnVdS | . In May 2015 chip maker Avago Technologies Ltd. agreed to buy rival Broadcom Corp. for $37 billion in cash and stock.[4] | 20:32 |
| intrbiz | interesting | 20:33 |
| intrbiz | looks like avago also own LSI | 20:33 |
| penguin42 | yeh Avago bought up a lot of interesting companies | 20:34 |
| MartijnVdS | Avago - The company was founded in 1961 as a semiconductor products division of HP. | 20:34 |
| MartijnVdS | The division separated from Hewlett-Packard as part of Agilent Technologies in 1999. | 20:34 |
| zmoylan-pi | rats... sinking ship... :-P | 20:35 |
| MartijnVdS | well.. they're a multi-billion dollar company | 20:35 |
| MartijnVdS | and as every speck of dust has an ARM chip these days... | 20:36 |
| penguin42 | Agilent were the really good trusted bit of HP | 20:38 |
| penguin42 | test equipment, fibre optic devices, that type of stuff | 20:38 |
| MartijnVdS | yeah their scopes are legendary | 20:39 |
| penguin42 | yeh, the first one I saw which had ps/division | 20:40 |
| ali1234_ | come and avago if you think you're hard enough? | 20:46 |
| intrbiz | anyone played with powerdns at all? | 21:07 |
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| penguin42 | haha | 23:49 |
| penguin42 | The Russians have banned entry for Nick Clegg | 23:49 |
| intrbiz | ? | 23:49 |
| penguin42 | http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-32949236 | 23:49 |
| penguin42 | seems an odd choice | 23:50 |
| intrbiz | penguin42: I doubt Cleggy will loose sleep over it, I suspect he has other things on his mind | 23:51 |
| penguin42 | intrbiz: Indeed, although I'm not actually sure what is on his mind any more | 23:53 |
| intrbiz | penguin42: how many decades it will take to undo the last 5 years | 23:53 |
| penguin42 | does he care about that? | 23:56 |
| intrbiz | at some level I suspect so | 23:56 |
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