=== Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away [03:45] YO [03:45] back in gib === MAPcz is now known as mapGIB [03:45] :) [03:50] what dragged you over to cz? [03:51] ah [03:51] was in cz last time i used this laptop [03:51] back in gib now [03:52] work or holiday made you go there? [03:52] cz? [03:52] holiday [06:00] back in uk on 20th june for a wedding;( man uk is depressing [06:00] be glad once ive moved all my stuff and sold up === zmoylan-1i is now known as zmoylan-pi === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte [09:00] morning boys and girls. [11:36] popey, you about today? === ne2k_ is now known as ne3k === ne3k is now known as ne2k [11:37] No :) [11:37] Wassup? [11:37] haha [11:38] got fglrx installed, working well, but still having very little joy with rtl8723be [11:38] :( [11:38] on HP probook 455 G2 [11:38] I've built the rtlwifi_new from git and installed that [11:39] tried setting module parameters msi=Y ips=N fwlps=N, various things [11:39] msi=Y allowed network scanning to work, but it still couldnt' connect wtih network manager [11:39] Did you get a mail from our guys? [11:39] however, if I connect using /etc/network/interfaces, it works fine [11:39] popey_ only an initial one asking for lspci -vv, lsusb -v and uname -a, which I sent them [11:39] Ok [11:40] I couldnt' send it until fri evening becasue the machine is at home and i was at work when were talking on fri [11:40] Guess you won't get much more till monday [11:40] no, that's fine [11:40] thought I'd piss around myself in the meantime ;-) [11:40] Thanks [11:40] foolishly stayed up till midnight last night messing around with it and now I'm knackered lol [11:40] Hah [11:40] right, I'm off [11:41] ta [15:12] popey:helllo how can i upgrade ubuntu versioin form 12.X to 14.X [15:14] hey any one [15:15] bujji: which version are you trying to upgrade from? 12.04 or 12.10? [15:16] 12.04 [15:16] and is it 14.04 that you want to upgrade to? [15:17] aka the Long Term Support release [15:18] !upgrade [15:18] For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes - see also http://www.ubuntu.com/desktop/get-ubuntu/upgrade [15:18] morweati:yes [15:20] bujji: as linked by popey, follow these instructions https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TrustyTahr/ReleaseNotes#Upgrading_from_Ubuntu_12.04_LTS_or_Ubuntu_13.10 [15:22] moreati:okey,thaank you...after i will let you on this. [15:22] you know* [16:15] Good morning peeps :) [16:15] hi bigcalm [16:17] anyone know how to make android studio (which is intellij) operate at a reasonable speed? [16:17] will it be faster if i use oracle java insteadof openjdk? [16:18] if you can manage that google has job for you :-) [16:18] hah [16:18] that's what i thought [16:18] i already encountered three bugs just during the installation [16:19] i've never seen android development and vm instances any way other than appallingly slow [16:19] this reminds me of visual basic 5 [16:20] vb5 would load and crash in minutes i tells ya!! :-D [16:20] pretty much what android studio does [16:20] maybe i can turn off all the code completion? [16:20] nah takes ages for the crashes to happen due to the sluggishnes of the system [16:21] it has taken me two days just to get it to compile the default "new project" code [16:21] and then the first time i edited the code the whole IDE immediately disappeared [16:21] i think i got it in one day. but it was a long long summer day starting early :-) [16:22] hmm i just had a idea [16:22] i could use Qt instead [16:22] xlib,. [16:22] i wont have to deal with any of this [16:34] how fast is "Intel(R) Atom(TM) CPU N455 @ 1.66GHz" (dual core) compared to modern ARM chips for desktop use eg running Android Studio? [16:36] ugh atom [16:37] those are netbook CPUs and often limited in how much ram they can have [16:38] yarr rarely you could get 2GB on 'em [16:39] yeah i have 1GB [16:39] i'm quite far into swap that probably isn't helping [16:40] actually... i only have 12MB of swap free [16:40] :S [16:40] heh [16:41] intellij seems to work okay here, but this is i7 with 16GB RAM [16:41] which probably helps [16:41] just a smidge... :-P [16:41] I hope it helps, else I've wasted a lot of money [16:42] Anybody here had experience with USB NICs? [16:43] sure, i just plug them in and they work :) [16:43] bigcalm: yes, i have a couple [16:43] yeah, some better than others [16:43] the apple one I have is the better of them all. [16:44] There are LOTS on amazon. I wondered what should be avoided [16:44] wireless or wired? [16:44] wired [16:44] avoid the cheapest one [16:44] Yes [16:45] They will be used on my proliant microserver, so USB 2.0 only sadly [16:45] That said, I'm sure that 3.0 will work. I'm not expecting more than 10/100 to work [16:46] you could buy a pci car with faster ethernet ports [16:46] *card [16:46] wait why do you need a usb ethernet for a server? [16:46] doesn't it already have ethernet? [16:46] it's difficult to know which ones to avoid without opening them :/ the only thing that makes the apple ones good is shielding [16:47] and yeah just get a pci card [16:48] I could by a double card, I'm looking at USB so that I can throw them at multiple devices that don't have pci [16:48] then wireless would be more useful perhaps? [16:49] USB =| [16:49] USB equals pipe? [16:50] pfft, i used to have a parallel coax network dohickey from dlink back in the days of novell. :-) [16:50] * bigcalm buys http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Intel-EXPI9402PTGL20-Pro-1000-Dual-Port-Gigabit-PCI-E-Low-Profile-Network-Card/111677371876?_trksid=p2047675.c100009.m1982&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20140328180637%26meid%3D6d307a65a97c4ce1a96683cd6e2b4895%26pid%3D100009%26rk%3D4%26rkt%3D10%26sd%3D121658376022 [16:50] holy batman link [16:52] zmoylan-pi: don't want wifi as I'm playing around with wired networking. I've just bought this to play around with http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/3COM-3CR17561-91-SUPERSTACK-3-SWITCH-4500-26-PORT-2x-SFP-/171026058111?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item27d1f28b7f [16:56] Humf [16:56] o0 [16:56] Turns out that minecraft (via ATLauncher) doesn't like it when I use the intel graphics of this laptop. [16:56] Time to swith over to the fan heavy nvidia graphisc [16:59] * bigcalm logs back in for instant fan fun [17:00] sounds like you could do with a disassemble and thermal paste upgrade :> [17:00] Laptop [17:00] or move to a colder location [17:00] being a laptop doesn't invalidate my statement [17:00] makes it even more just :) [17:02] * SuperEngineer wonders about daftykins's sanity thinking he is a laptop [17:02] :D [17:02] it has improved greatly since leaving #ubuntu [17:02] :) [17:22] hmm.. I have never understood why hibernate/suspênd to disk was disabled in Ubuntu. [17:22] Trying to find out if its hard to enable / re-enable on the DellXps13 [17:31] knightwise: its disabled for a reason :) [17:32] some horrible security issue iirc [17:33] right, got a better computer. quad i5 and 6GB [17:33] i love how you can just swap the hard drives and carry on [17:34] i think it's a secure boot issue? [17:37] popey: does it have to do with secure boot or something ? I"m looking at getting the dell xps13 and I would love to have the luxury over open-close lid [17:38] of "open close lid" ... just like i have with the mac [17:44] haha, the mac where you have to go CLI / install third party software to STOP it sleeping on lid close [17:44] amusing machines, them [17:49] * bigcalm tries to swim in lava and then rage quits [17:51] daftykins: not always. I can keep my mac "awake" when the lid is closed as long as I have an external keyboard/mouse connected. [17:51] lol [17:51] that must be a fun balancing act [17:51] do you juggle too? :) [17:52] I don"t have a real problem with doing that. At least they hibernate/resume. [17:52] when you are in a meeting or need to pack up an go in a rush its very convenient to have that functionality [17:52] i have been using xubuntu a bit on this old Sony laptop i have, but oh dear they fail to put in some of the standard things you epect from a DE [17:52] watching a video fullscreen... the screen dims and will lock eventually [17:53] well, go blank and stop the video [17:54] ouch [17:55] i see your point yeah, never had the need myself [17:55] yeah took me a while to kill all the screensavers and power saving dohickeys [17:56] Yeah , the point is, even since I became self employed I need my stuff to "just work". Whenever I loose an hour or two on tinkering with stuff ... Those could have been billable hours [17:57] + doing presentations with a client while suffering from a wonky laptop .. not good at all. [17:57] So i use the mac mostly when I need to do presentations, videoproductions and Audio recording. [17:57] iirc 'clamshell mode' is a documented, by-design behaviour. it'll run closed if you're treating it as a desktop (power, display & keyboard) [17:57] but for the rest I would like to have a lean small system running Linux. [17:57] Thus : The xps13. [17:59] knightwise: how come you want Linux then? ;) [18:02] I need to keep my "cross platform" skills up (Mac laptop , Windows 8.1 Pro tablet, Android Tablet, Ubuntu Phone and .. a ubuntu laptop) [18:02] (or a "linux" laptop) [18:02] get a chromebook for a linux laptop :-) [18:02] When I started up my company I did it on linux (Lenovo twist13) for the first 3 months. Worked like a charm. [18:03] zmoylan-pi: got one, did chrouton on it. Not bad actually but it misses some of the functionalities (like tunneling home over SSH) [18:04] nah you'd need to put something proper on, not those nasty chroot hacks [18:05] although my vote would never be chromebook :> [18:05] daftykins: so you are saying : Full ubuntu install ? [18:06] perhaps not such a bad idea to give that a try. [18:07] yep if whichever model you have has enough storage and supports it [18:07] often those things need too much modding to work right [18:07] https://www.distroshare.com/distros/get/12/ [18:07] i certainly always ignored anyone in #ubuntu trying to get one working [18:07] there are pre cut and dry distro"s tweaked to get it working. [18:07] yeah that was what someone the other day was running who i ignored [18:09] nice ! ... as a hobby project. [18:30] this intellij IDE is actually pretty good [18:30] it tells you if you import things and then don't use them [18:30] and it also highlights redundant code [18:40] doing some elementary code in bash and perl i use nano to start with and as the files grow larger geaney. nice lite ide that doesn't irk me. [18:57] is there a maintained ubuntu touch image for nexus 7 2012? [18:58] because anything is easier than trying to write code for android [18:59] also does ubuntu touch have gstreamer? [19:00] i would assume it does [19:07] yes [19:07] (to gstreamer) [19:07] no to nexus 7 2012 [19:07] there's an old image but nothing recent, we dropped it a while back [19:08] I'm looking for a cheap Intel based tablet I can install Ubuntu on. Thinking maybe one of those Dell Venue things might be an option [19:21] popey: I know there are fedora hacks for some of them; search for fedlet - some of them have 32bit EFI that can make it a little tricky [19:23] neat [19:24] popey: I don't know if anyone has done the Tesco Hudl 2 yet? [19:24] no, dont think so [19:24] the android devices are mostly not easily done, the windowws ones are [19:25] http://www.modaco.com/topic/374262-found-hudl2-compatible-flash-tool-via-fastboot/page-3 yeh not looking promising === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte [19:56] I now have android M on my old phone (N5) [20:01] MartijnVdS: how is it? [20:07] not that different from 5.1 [20:07] Major stuff has been summed up at ars (with screenshots) [20:09] I see [20:10] MartijnVdS: What kernel version is in it? [20:16] penguin42: let me check [20:17] boot is super-fast [20:17] non-first boot [20:17] 3.4.0-gb87733d [20:17] probably isn't a full boot? [20:17] ancient :< [20:17] yeah that does look stone-age [20:18] gotta wonder about the thinking with that [20:18] 3 years [20:18] Maybe the patches are too hard to port to newer kernels? [20:18] Or some vendor has some closed-source driver blob that won't work on newer kernels? [20:19] MartijnVdS: Yeh that's why I ask, I've been trying to merge up an android kernel to something newer and it's really hard [20:24] most arm boards seem to have older kernels, odroid is 3.10 [20:25] Pi is slowly getting to 3.19 [20:25] intrbiz: Yeh a lot derive from either the chip vendor or the android aosp (?) set that come out in chunks; although the reality is they tend to have chunks of them back ported random bits from newer kernels [20:25] because why work WITH the kernel devs, right [20:25] if you can work AGAINST them [20:26] penguin42: yeh, I think the samsung chips are a modified 3.10 kernel [20:26] MartijnVdS: One of the problems they have is that they change the chips so frequently they cant keep up - especially when they haven't sent the previous set up [20:26] I mean.. *finally* a proper DRI/DRM/KMS module set for VC4 is emerging [20:26] MartijnVdS: indeed, wish more people would mainline than out of tree bodge [20:27] intrbiz: especially for Raspberry Pi and similar "we're oh so open source friendly" projects [20:27] MartijnVdS: yes, broadcom reknowned for being a pillar in the open source world [20:28] intrbiz: Qualcomm/Atheros on the other hand.. have you seen their patch volumes? [20:29] especially on ath9/10k [20:29] MartijnVdS: no, but at least they have a history of OS drivers and also free firmware for some chips [20:29] MartijnVdS: it's the restricted firmware which narks me the most, absolutely no need for it [20:30] intrbiz: yeah, and one of their devs is (I think) one of the openwrt top devs [20:30] right [20:30] i just find it amusing that the PI uses a CPU from a vendor with such a terrible reputation in the OS world [20:31] didn't someone just buy broadcom? [20:32] zmoylan-pi: didn't someone just buy qualcomm? [20:32] ah no [20:32] . In May 2015 chip maker Avago Technologies Ltd. agreed to buy rival Broadcom Corp. for $37 billion in cash and stock.[4] [20:33] interesting [20:33] looks like avago also own LSI [20:34] yeh Avago bought up a lot of interesting companies [20:34] Avago - The company was founded in 1961 as a semiconductor products division of HP. [20:34] The division separated from Hewlett-Packard as part of Agilent Technologies in 1999. [20:35] rats... sinking ship... :-P [20:35] well.. they're a multi-billion dollar company [20:36] and as every speck of dust has an ARM chip these days... [20:38] Agilent were the really good trusted bit of HP [20:38] test equipment, fibre optic devices, that type of stuff [20:39] yeah their scopes are legendary [20:40] yeh, the first one I saw which had ps/division [20:46] come and avago if you think you're hard enough? [21:07] anyone played with powerdns at all? === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte [23:49] haha [23:49] The Russians have banned entry for Nick Clegg [23:49] ? [23:49] http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-32949236 [23:50] seems an odd choice [23:51] penguin42: I doubt Cleggy will loose sleep over it, I suspect he has other things on his mind [23:53] intrbiz: Indeed, although I'm not actually sure what is on his mind any more [23:53] penguin42: how many decades it will take to undo the last 5 years [23:56] does he care about that? [23:56] at some level I suspect so