[03:45] <MAPcz> YO
[03:45] <MAPcz> back in gib
[03:45] <mapGIB> :)
[03:50] <zmoylan-pi> what dragged you over to cz?
[03:51] <mapGIB> ah
[03:51] <mapGIB> was in cz last time i used this laptop
[03:51] <mapGIB> back in gib now
[03:52] <zmoylan-pi> work or holiday made you go there?
[03:52] <mapGIB> cz?
[03:52] <mapGIB> holiday
[06:00] <mapGIB> back in uk on 20th june for a wedding;( man uk is depressing
[06:00] <mapGIB> be glad once ive moved all my stuff and sold up
[09:00] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[11:36] <ne2k_> popey, you about today?
[11:37] <popey_> No :)
[11:37] <popey_> Wassup?
[11:37] <ne2k> haha
[11:38] <ne2k> got fglrx installed, working well, but still having very little joy with rtl8723be
[11:38] <popey_> :(
[11:38] <ne2k> on HP probook 455 G2
[11:38] <ne2k> I've built the rtlwifi_new from git and installed that
[11:39] <ne2k> tried setting module parameters msi=Y ips=N fwlps=N, various things
[11:39] <ne2k> msi=Y allowed network scanning to work, but it still couldnt' connect wtih network manager
[11:39] <popey_> Did you get a mail from our guys?
[11:39] <ne2k> however, if I connect using /etc/network/interfaces, it works fine
[11:39] <ne2k> popey_ only an initial one asking for lspci -vv, lsusb -v and uname -a, which I sent them
[11:39] <popey_> Ok
[11:40] <ne2k> I couldnt' send it until fri evening becasue the machine is at home and i was at work when were talking on fri
[11:40] <popey_> Guess you won't get much more till monday
[11:40] <ne2k> no, that's fine
[11:40] <ne2k> thought I'd piss around myself in the meantime ;-)
[11:40] <popey_> Thanks
[11:40] <ne2k> foolishly stayed up till midnight last night messing around with it and now I'm knackered lol
[11:40] <popey_> Hah
[11:40] <ne2k> right, I'm off
[11:41] <ne2k> ta
[15:12] <bujji> popey:helllo how can i upgrade ubuntu versioin form 12.X to 14.X
[15:14] <bujji> hey any one
[15:15] <moreati> bujji: which version are you trying to upgrade from? 12.04 or 12.10?
[15:16] <bujji> 12.04
[15:16] <moreati> and is it 14.04 that you want to upgrade to?
[15:17] <moreati> aka the Long Term Support release
[15:18] <popey> !upgrade
[15:18] <bujji> morweati:yes
[15:20] <moreati> bujji: as linked by popey, follow these instructions https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TrustyTahr/ReleaseNotes#Upgrading_from_Ubuntu_12.04_LTS_or_Ubuntu_13.10
[15:22] <bujji> moreati:okey,thaank you...after i will let you on this.
[15:22] <bujji> you know*
[16:15] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[16:15] <elfy> hi bigcalm
[16:17] <ali1234> anyone know how to make android studio (which is intellij) operate at a reasonable speed?
[16:17] <ali1234> will it be faster if i use oracle java insteadof openjdk?
[16:18] <zmoylan-pi> if you can manage that google has job for you :-)
[16:18] <ali1234> hah
[16:18] <ali1234> that's what i thought
[16:18] <ali1234> i already encountered three bugs just during the installation
[16:19] <zmoylan-pi> i've never seen android development and vm instances any way other than appallingly slow
[16:19] <ali1234> this reminds me of visual basic 5
[16:20] <zmoylan-pi> vb5 would load and crash in minutes i tells ya!! :-D
[16:20] <ali1234> pretty much what android studio does
[16:20] <ali1234> maybe i can turn off all the code completion?
[16:20] <zmoylan-pi> nah takes ages for the crashes to happen due to the sluggishnes of the system
[16:21] <ali1234> it has taken me two days just to get it to compile the default "new project" code
[16:21] <ali1234> and then the first time i edited the code the whole IDE immediately disappeared
[16:21] <zmoylan-pi> i think i got it in one day. but it was a long long summer day starting early :-)
[16:22] <ali1234> hmm i just had a idea
[16:22] <ali1234> i could use Qt instead
[16:22] <MartijnVdS> xlib,.
[16:22] <ali1234> i wont have to deal with any of this
[16:34] <ali1234> how fast is "Intel(R) Atom(TM) CPU N455   @ 1.66GHz" (dual core) compared to modern ARM chips for desktop use eg running Android Studio?
[16:36] <daftykins> ugh atom
[16:37] <popey> those are netbook CPUs and often limited in how much ram they can have
[16:38] <daftykins> yarr rarely you could get 2GB on 'em
[16:39] <ali1234> yeah i have 1GB
[16:39] <ali1234> i'm quite far into swap that probably isn't helping
[16:40] <ali1234> actually... i only have 12MB of swap free
[16:40] <daftykins> :S
[16:40] <popey> heh
[16:41] <popey> intellij seems to work okay here, but this is i7 with 16GB RAM
[16:41] <popey> which probably helps
[16:41] <zmoylan-pi> just a smidge... :-P
[16:41] <shauno> I hope it helps, else I've wasted a lot of money
[16:42] <bigcalm> Anybody here had experience with USB NICs?
[16:43] <ali1234> sure, i just plug them in and they work :)
[16:43] <popey> bigcalm: yes, i have a couple
[16:43] <popey> yeah, some better than others
[16:43] <popey> the apple one I have is the better of them all.
[16:44] <bigcalm> There are LOTS on amazon. I wondered what should be avoided
[16:44] <ali1234> wireless or wired?
[16:44] <bigcalm> wired
[16:44] <popey> avoid the cheapest one
[16:44] <bigcalm> Yes
[16:45] <bigcalm> They will be used on my proliant microserver, so USB 2.0 only sadly
[16:45] <bigcalm> That said, I'm sure that 3.0 will work. I'm not expecting more than 10/100 to work
[16:46] <popey> you could buy a pci car with faster ethernet ports
[16:46] <popey> *card
[16:46] <ali1234> wait why do you need a usb ethernet for a server?
[16:46] <ali1234> doesn't it already have ethernet?
[16:46] <shauno> it's difficult to know which ones to avoid without opening them :/  the only thing that makes the apple ones good is shielding
[16:47] <ali1234> and yeah just get a pci card
[16:48] <bigcalm> I could by a double card, I'm looking at USB so that I can throw them at multiple devices that don't have pci
[16:48] <zmoylan-pi> then wireless would be more useful perhaps?
[16:49] <daftykins> USB =|
[16:49] <ali1234> USB equals pipe?
[16:50] <zmoylan-pi> pfft, i used to have a parallel coax network dohickey from dlink back in the days of novell. :-)
[16:50]  * bigcalm buys http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Intel-EXPI9402PTGL20-Pro-1000-Dual-Port-Gigabit-PCI-E-Low-Profile-Network-Card/111677371876?_trksid=p2047675.c100009.m1982&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20140328180637%26meid%3D6d307a65a97c4ce1a96683cd6e2b4895%26pid%3D100009%26rk%3D4%26rkt%3D10%26sd%3D121658376022
[16:50] <elfy> holy batman link
[16:52] <bigcalm> zmoylan-pi: don't want wifi as I'm playing around with wired networking. I've just bought this to play around with http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/3COM-3CR17561-91-SUPERSTACK-3-SWITCH-4500-26-PORT-2x-SFP-/171026058111?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item27d1f28b7f
[16:56] <bigcalm> Humf
[16:56] <daftykins> o0
[16:56] <bigcalm> Turns out that minecraft (via ATLauncher) doesn't like it when I use the intel graphics of this laptop.
[16:56] <bigcalm> Time to swith over to the fan heavy nvidia graphisc
[16:59]  * bigcalm logs back in for instant fan fun
[17:00] <daftykins> sounds like you could do with a disassemble and thermal paste upgrade :>
[17:00] <bigcalm> Laptop
[17:00] <zmoylan-pi> or move to a colder location
[17:00] <daftykins> being a laptop doesn't invalidate my statement
[17:00] <daftykins> makes it even more just :)
[17:02]  * SuperEngineer wonders about daftykins's sanity thinking he is a laptop
[17:02] <daftykins> :D
[17:02] <daftykins> it has improved greatly since leaving #ubuntu
[17:02] <SuperEngineer> :)
[17:22] <knightwise> hmm.. I have never understood why hibernate/suspênd to disk was disabled in Ubuntu.
[17:22] <knightwise> Trying to find out if its hard to enable / re-enable on the DellXps13
[17:31] <popey> knightwise: its disabled for a reason :)
[17:32] <directhex> some horrible security issue iirc
[17:33] <ali1234_> right, got a better computer. quad i5 and 6GB
[17:33] <ali1234_> i love how you can just swap the hard drives and carry on
[17:34] <directhex> i think it's a secure boot issue?
[17:37] <knightwise> popey:  does it have to do with secure boot or something ? I"m looking at getting the dell xps13 and I would love to have the luxury over open-close lid
[17:38] <knightwise> of "open close lid" ... just like i have with the mac
[17:44] <daftykins> haha, the mac where you have to go CLI / install third party software to STOP it sleeping on lid close
[17:44] <daftykins> amusing machines, them
[17:49]  * bigcalm tries to swim in lava and then rage quits
[17:51] <knightwise> daftykins: not always. I can keep my mac "awake" when the lid is closed as long as I have an external keyboard/mouse connected.
[17:51] <daftykins> lol
[17:51] <daftykins> that must be a fun balancing act
[17:51] <daftykins> do you juggle too? :)
[17:52] <knightwise> I don"t have a real problem with doing that. At least they hibernate/resume.
[17:52] <knightwise> when you are in a meeting or need to pack up an go in a rush its very convenient to have that functionality
[17:52] <daftykins> i have been using xubuntu a bit on this old Sony laptop i have, but oh dear they fail to put in some of the standard things you epect from a DE
[17:52] <daftykins> watching a video fullscreen... the screen dims and will lock eventually
[17:53] <daftykins> well, go blank and stop the video
[17:54] <knightwise> ouch
[17:55] <daftykins> i see your point yeah, never had the need myself
[17:55] <zmoylan-pi> yeah took me a while to kill all the screensavers and power saving dohickeys
[17:56] <knightwise> Yeah , the point is, even since I became self employed I need my stuff to "just work". Whenever I loose an hour or two on tinkering with stuff ... Those could have been billable hours
[17:57] <knightwise> + doing presentations with a client while suffering from a wonky laptop .. not good at all.
[17:57] <knightwise> So i use the mac mostly when I need to do presentations, videoproductions and Audio recording.
[17:57] <shauno> iirc 'clamshell mode' is a documented, by-design behaviour.  it'll run closed if you're treating it as a desktop (power, display & keyboard)
[17:57] <knightwise> but for the rest I would like to have a lean small system running Linux.
[17:57] <knightwise> Thus : The xps13.
[17:59] <daftykins> knightwise: how come you want Linux then? ;)
[18:02] <knightwise> I need to keep my "cross platform" skills up (Mac laptop , Windows 8.1 Pro tablet, Android Tablet, Ubuntu Phone and .. a ubuntu laptop)
[18:02] <knightwise> (or a "linux" laptop)
[18:02] <zmoylan-pi> get a chromebook for a linux laptop :-)
[18:02] <knightwise> When I started up my company I did it on linux (Lenovo twist13) for the first 3 months. Worked like a charm.
[18:03] <knightwise> zmoylan-pi: got one, did chrouton on it. Not bad actually but it misses some of the functionalities (like tunneling home over SSH)
[18:04] <daftykins> nah you'd need to put something proper on, not those nasty chroot hacks
[18:05] <daftykins> although my vote would never be chromebook :>
[18:05] <knightwise> daftykins: so you are saying : Full ubuntu install ?
[18:06] <knightwise> perhaps not such a bad idea to give that a try.
[18:07] <daftykins> yep if whichever model you have has enough storage and supports it
[18:07] <daftykins> often those things need too much modding to work right
[18:07] <knightwise> https://www.distroshare.com/distros/get/12/
[18:07] <daftykins> i certainly always ignored anyone in #ubuntu trying to get one working
[18:07] <knightwise> there are pre cut and dry distro"s tweaked to get it working.
[18:07] <daftykins> yeah that was what someone the other day was running who i ignored
[18:09] <knightwise> nice ! ... as a hobby project.
[18:30] <ali1234_> this intellij IDE is actually pretty good
[18:30] <ali1234_> it tells you if you import things and then don't use them
[18:30] <ali1234_> and it also highlights redundant code
[18:40] <zmoylan-pi> doing some elementary code in bash and perl i use nano to start with and as the files grow larger geaney.  nice lite ide that doesn't irk me.
[18:57] <ali1234_> is there a maintained ubuntu touch image for nexus 7 2012?
[18:58] <ali1234_> because anything is easier than trying to write code for android
[18:59] <ali1234_> also does ubuntu touch have gstreamer?
[19:00] <ali1234_> i would assume it does
[19:07] <popey> yes
[19:07] <popey> (to gstreamer)
[19:07] <popey> no to nexus 7 2012
[19:07] <popey> there's an old image but nothing recent, we dropped it a while back
[19:08] <popey> I'm looking for a cheap Intel based tablet I can install Ubuntu on. Thinking maybe one of those Dell Venue things might be an option
[19:21] <penguin42> popey: I know there are fedora hacks for some of them; search for fedlet - some of them have 32bit EFI that can make it a little tricky
[19:23] <popey> neat
[19:24] <penguin42> popey: I don't know if anyone has done the Tesco Hudl 2 yet?
[19:24] <popey> no, dont think so
[19:24] <popey> the android devices are mostly not easily done, the windowws ones are
[19:25] <penguin42> http://www.modaco.com/topic/374262-found-hudl2-compatible-flash-tool-via-fastboot/page-3   yeh not looking promising
[19:56] <MartijnVdS> I now have android M on my old phone (N5)
[20:01] <Azelphur> MartijnVdS: how is it?
[20:07] <MartijnVdS> not that different from 5.1
[20:07] <MartijnVdS> Major stuff has been summed up at ars (with screenshots)
[20:09] <Azelphur> I see
[20:10] <penguin42> MartijnVdS: What kernel version is in it?
[20:16] <MartijnVdS> penguin42: let me check
[20:17] <MartijnVdS> boot is super-fast
[20:17] <MartijnVdS> non-first boot
[20:17] <MartijnVdS> 3.4.0-gb87733d
[20:17] <daftykins> probably isn't a full boot?
[20:17] <daftykins> ancient :<
[20:17] <MartijnVdS> yeah that does look stone-age
[20:18] <daftykins> gotta wonder about the thinking with that
[20:18] <MartijnVdS> 3 years
[20:18] <MartijnVdS> Maybe the patches are too hard to port to newer kernels?
[20:18] <MartijnVdS> Or some vendor has some closed-source driver blob that won't work on newer kernels?
[20:19] <penguin42> MartijnVdS: Yeh that's why I ask, I've been trying to merge up an android kernel to something newer and it's really hard
[20:24] <intrbiz> most arm boards seem to have older kernels, odroid is 3.10
[20:25] <MartijnVdS> Pi is slowly getting to 3.19
[20:25] <penguin42> intrbiz: Yeh a lot derive from either the chip vendor or the android aosp (?) set that come out in chunks; although the reality is they tend to have chunks of them back ported random bits from newer kernels
[20:25] <MartijnVdS> because why work WITH the kernel devs, right
[20:25] <MartijnVdS> if you can work AGAINST them
[20:26] <intrbiz> penguin42: yeh, I think the samsung chips are a modified 3.10 kernel
[20:26] <penguin42> MartijnVdS: One of the problems they have is that they change the chips so frequently they cant keep up - especially when they haven't sent the previous set up
[20:26] <MartijnVdS> I mean.. *finally* a proper DRI/DRM/KMS module set for VC4 is emerging
[20:26] <intrbiz> MartijnVdS: indeed, wish more people would mainline than out of tree bodge
[20:27] <MartijnVdS> intrbiz: especially for Raspberry Pi and similar "we're oh so open source friendly" projects
[20:27] <intrbiz> MartijnVdS: yes, broadcom reknowned for being a pillar in the open source world
[20:28] <MartijnVdS> intrbiz: Qualcomm/Atheros on the other hand.. have you seen their patch volumes?
[20:29] <MartijnVdS> especially on ath9/10k
[20:29] <intrbiz> MartijnVdS: no, but at least they have a history of OS drivers and also free firmware for some chips
[20:29] <intrbiz> MartijnVdS: it's the restricted firmware which narks me the most, absolutely no need for it
[20:30] <MartijnVdS> intrbiz: yeah, and one of their devs is (I think) one of the openwrt top devs
[20:30] <intrbiz> right
[20:30] <intrbiz> i just find it amusing that the PI uses a CPU from a vendor with such a terrible reputation in the OS world
[20:31] <zmoylan-pi> didn't someone just buy broadcom?
[20:32] <MartijnVdS> zmoylan-pi: didn't someone just buy qualcomm?
[20:32] <MartijnVdS> ah no
[20:32] <MartijnVdS> . In May 2015 chip maker Avago Technologies Ltd. agreed to buy rival Broadcom Corp. for $37 billion in cash and stock.[4]
[20:33] <intrbiz> interesting
[20:33] <intrbiz> looks like avago also own LSI
[20:34] <penguin42> yeh Avago bought up a lot of interesting companies
[20:34] <MartijnVdS> Avago - The company was founded in 1961 as a semiconductor products division of HP.
[20:34] <MartijnVdS> The division separated from Hewlett-Packard as part of Agilent Technologies in 1999.
[20:35] <zmoylan-pi> rats... sinking ship... :-P
[20:35] <MartijnVdS> well.. they're a multi-billion dollar company
[20:36] <MartijnVdS> and as every speck of dust has an ARM chip these days...
[20:38] <penguin42> Agilent were the really good trusted bit of HP
[20:38] <penguin42> test equipment, fibre optic devices, that type of stuff
[20:39] <MartijnVdS> yeah their scopes are legendary
[20:40] <penguin42> yeh, the first one I saw which had ps/division
[20:46] <ali1234_> come and avago if you think you're hard enough?
[21:07] <intrbiz> anyone played with powerdns at all?
[23:49] <penguin42> haha
[23:49] <penguin42> The Russians have banned entry for Nick Clegg
[23:49] <intrbiz> ?
[23:49] <penguin42> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-32949236
[23:50] <penguin42> seems an odd choice
[23:51] <intrbiz> penguin42: I doubt Cleggy will loose sleep over it, I suspect he has other things on his mind
[23:53] <penguin42> intrbiz: Indeed, although I'm not actually sure what is on his mind any more
[23:53] <intrbiz> penguin42: how many decades it will take to undo the last 5 years
[23:56] <penguin42> does he care about that?
[23:56] <intrbiz> at some level I suspect so