[04:15] <captine> early morning to you all
[05:57] <Kilos> morning all
[09:45] <stickyboy> git push all the commits.
[09:50] <stickyboy> Converting the content of some of my repos to Creative Commons Share Alike instead of UNLICENSE.
[09:50] <stickyboy> I believe in attribution...
[09:57] <magespawn> good afternoon all
[09:58] <Kilos> hi magespawn  stickyboy  
[09:58] <Kilos> no avy yet
[09:58] <magespawn> close enough i suppose
[09:58] <Kilos> almost though
[09:58] <Kilos> lol
[09:58] <Kilos> you well magespawn  ?
[10:00] <stickyboy> Wasssssup.
[10:01] <Kilos> not much
[10:04] <magespawn> good and you Kilos?
[10:04] <magespawn> hey stickyboy 
[10:04] <Kilos> good ty
[10:05] <magespawn> i am running on centos here, so it is tacking a little while to get to used the differences
[10:06] <magespawn> s/tacking/taking
[10:10] <stickyboy> magespawn: CentOS on desktop? :P
[10:10] <magespawn> yes
[10:11] <magespawn> my asterisk servers run on Centos as headless servers
[10:12] <stickyboy> magespawn: I'm all about CentOS.
[10:12] <stickyboy> But only in specific places.
[10:12] <stickyboy> Our compute / storage cluster runs it. ~10 machines.
[10:12] <stickyboy> But web servers, where I need modern crypto, no way. :P
[10:13] <stickyboy> And desktop I'm on Arch Linux. :P
[10:13] <magespawn> does centos no support strong crypto/
[10:13] <magespawn> ?
[10:13] <magespawn> s/no/not
[10:13] <stickyboy> magespawn: Well, it's hard to with old OpenSSL.
[10:14] <magespawn> they only use the old one?
[10:15] <stickyboy> Elliptic curve cryptography like Curve25519... and AEAD ciphers like ChaCha20-Poly1035.
[10:15] <magespawn> okay that went a little over my head
[10:15] <Kilos> hehe
[10:15] <stickyboy> magespawn: Depends, CentOS 6 uses OpenSSL from 2010.
[10:15] <stickyboy> CentOS 7 is ~1 year old so it's better, and current.
[10:15] <Kilos> explain nicely stickyboy  
[10:16] <stickyboy> Ubuntu 14.04 on the web server is recommended.
[10:16] <stickyboy> It has modern OpenSSH and modern OpenSSL.
[10:17] <stickyboy> CentOS 6 is stable as hell, but doesn't support elliptic curve cryptography (only supports standard discrete log-based crypto).
[10:17] <magespawn> i am using 6.6 on the laptop, i could not find 7 for i686
[10:17] <stickyboy> magespawn: You'll be fine.
[10:17] <magespawn> sorry i386
[10:18] <magespawn> indeed, but iformation is always good to know about
[10:18] <magespawn> information
[10:18] <magespawn> brain is ahead of the fingers today
[10:18] <stickyboy> But if you are serving HTTPS etc you need to prioritize TLS ciphers which give forward secrecy.
[10:18] <stickyboy> Diffie-Hellman Ephemeral (DHE) cipher suites...
[10:21] <magespawn> this is a very old laptop, so i might soon have to stop using it
[10:22] <stickyboy> magespawn: Hehe :P
[10:23] <stickyboy> This Mac laptop is 1 year old. Such an amazing piece of hardware.
[10:27] <magespawn> nice, does it run better with the linux or the osx?
[10:32] <stickyboy> magespawn: Sadly, Mac OS X.
[10:32] <stickyboy> I fully intended on running Linux on it, but ugh.
[10:32] <stickyboy> It's a mission.
[10:33] <stickyboy> And I manage 40 servers at work, the last thing I need is trouble with my personal laptop. It just needs to work. :\
[10:33] <stickyboy> Anyways, I installed the GNU userland (ls, cp, etc) and mostly just use the Terminal and the browser.
[10:33] <stickyboy> The screen is beautiful and the battery lasts 10 hours. :\
[10:34] <magespawn> indeed, that is nice
[10:41] <stickyboy> http://www.ifosslr.org/ifosslr/article/view/66/125
[10:41] <stickyboy> Trying to figure out what constitutes "distribution" by the GPLv2.
[10:47] <magespawn> that is a good question, but it might be an attempt to prevent vendor lockin, and to prevent undue benefit without passing on that benefit
[10:52] <stickyboy> Yeah
[10:52] <stickyboy> I'm about to write a blog post accusing Safaricom, the largest company in Kenya, of violating the GPL.
[10:52] <stickyboy> They sell at least one device which uses Android, and therefore runs Linux -- which is licensed under the GPLv2.
[10:53] <stickyboy> The question is, they themselves are just re-branding this box sold to them by a South Korean company... so I dunno who is obligated to publish the code. Perhaps both of them.
[11:08] <magespawn> i think both of them, or a least provide links to the code by who ever does modify it
[11:39] <stickyboy> magespawn: Indeed, it seems like both need to.
[14:00] <Kilos> ai! over 4 hours no power
[14:00] <magespawn> later all 
[14:01] <Kilos> k mage
[14:01] <Kilos> ai!
[15:12] <stickyboy> Ok, raise your hand if you want a recommendation for rap music to listen to...
[15:13] <Kilos> eeek
[15:14] <stickyboy> Kilos: Man, this ish is so tight.
[15:14] <Kilos> i listen to music
[15:14] <stickyboy> Dat bass doe
[15:14] <Kilos> haha
[15:24] <stickyboy> Kilos: Playing with Prometheus...
[15:24] <stickyboy> Server / app monitoring.
[15:25] <Kilos> on your mac?
[15:26] <stickyboy> Kilos: On Mac, Arch, and Ubuntu.
[15:27] <Kilos> aha
[15:27] <stickyboy> Collectors on the Linux boxes, and server to visualize stats on the Mac.
[15:50] <stickyboy> Kilos: do you know what "Yay" is?
[15:51] <Kilos> yes its what we say for yippeee
[15:53] <stickyboy> Kilos: True
[15:53] <stickyboy> It's also a code name for cocain
[15:55] <Kilos> oh my
[15:56] <stickyboy> I think I'll go make some cookies.
[15:57] <Kilos> lol
[15:57] <Kilos> choc chip
[16:15] <Kilos> hi inetpro  
[16:16] <Kilos> hi TinuvaMac  
[16:33] <inetpro> good evening
[16:33] <inetpro> oh and hi Kilos
[16:34] <Kilos> hi my pro
[16:36] <inetpro> Kilos: you were gone for 3 hours and 9 minutes
[16:36] <Kilos> oh not 4
[16:36] <Kilos> oh my
[16:36] <inetpro> :-)
[16:37] <inetpro> unless my maths fail me
[16:37] <Kilos> back to school
[16:41] <inetpro> Kilos: have you recovered from last night? 
[16:41] <Kilos> yeah ty much better today
[16:41] <Kilos> took it easy
[16:42]  * inetpro still wanted to say sorry for giving you such a hard time before your left
[16:42] <inetpro> you*
[16:42] <Kilos> haha
[16:42] <Kilos> i dont even remember
[16:43] <inetpro> cool
[16:43] <Kilos> dont take advantage now
[16:43] <inetpro> ai!
[16:44] <Kilos> lol
[16:44] <Kilos> im just waiting for summer
[16:44] <Kilos> too cold to think
[17:03] <inetpro> Kilos: do you read the stuff on ubuntu planet?
[17:03] <Kilos> nope, is it all going to planet now?
[17:03] <inetpro> uh
[17:04] <Kilos> oh the plasma 5
[17:04] <inetpro> hang on, how am I supposed to understand your answer?
[17:04] <Kilos> i see a plasma 5 aricle
[17:05] <Kilos> and a youtube thing
[17:05] <inetpro> so clearly you do go to read http://planet.ubuntu.com/
[17:06] <inetpro> why I'm asking is
[17:06] <Kilos> i just went there now man, i have it opened when opera opens but didnt hink to look for planet link today
[17:06] <inetpro> if you go there often, it might be time for you to read with akregator
[17:07] <Kilos> oh my , whats that?
[17:07] <inetpro> it's installed by default on kubuntu
[17:07] <Kilos> oh and what do i do then?
[17:08] <inetpro> by default it has several feeds in there already
[17:08] <Kilos> ai!
[17:09] <inetpro> so in stead of going via opera, just check the counter at the bottom
[17:09] <inetpro> and read articles as they come in
[17:09] <inetpro> like reading email
[17:10] <Kilos> counter at the bottom of what?
[17:10] <inetpro> have you opened it yet?
[17:10] <Kilos> must i open that agregator thing
[17:10] <inetpro> yes
[17:11] <Kilos> now its open but nothing so i spose i tick fetch all feeds
[17:11] <inetpro> eish... I hope you still have a few MB left
[17:12] <Kilos> oh my the counter shows 269
[17:12] <inetpro> yep, fetches stuff as soon as you open
[17:13] <Kilos> sjoe
[17:13] <Kilos> should i configure it first
[17:13] <inetpro> should not use too much data from here onwards, but you might want to disable some feeds that just become too much to read
[17:14] <Kilos> im not interested in peeps taliking about youtube vids
[17:14] <inetpro> by default it will check for new info every 30 minutes, I think
[17:15] <inetpro> Kilos: the thing is, if you go to the planet website every so often, you might end up using more data
[17:16] <Kilos> oh
[17:16] <inetpro> and with akregator you can easily skip those articles that you're not interested in
[17:16] <Kilos> sounds good
[17:17] <inetpro> on the left you will see All Feeds, KDE and Kubuntu
[17:17] <Kilos> yes
[17:17] <inetpro> click those to further expand and see more
[17:17] <Kilos> ok
[17:18] <Kilos> oh my  millions of stuffs
[17:19] <inetpro> exactly
[17:19] <Kilos> sjoe
[17:19] <inetpro> now mark things as read and see how new stories come in later
[17:19] <Kilos> oh well its done now
[17:20] <inetpro> under Kubuntu you'll see Planet Ubuntu is listed as well
[17:20] <Kilos> whew ty for that inetpro  
[17:20] <inetpro> and the Fridge
[17:21] <Kilos> cool
[17:21] <inetpro> so this thing gives you a single place to read your news
[17:21] <Kilos> that wont stop the emails
[17:21] <inetpro> nope
[17:21] <inetpro> unfortunately not
[17:22] <Kilos> ya , at times recently ive woken to 15 sometimes then more all day
[17:28] <Kilos> so , need to add an ubuntu one or not ?
[17:30] <inetpro> no
[17:30] <Kilos> ok ty
[17:30] <inetpro> Kilos: have you marked all as read yet?
[17:31] <Kilos> ya everything
[17:31] <inetpro> hmm... ok
[17:31] <Kilos> all three
[17:31] <Kilos> now i can kill the opera link
[17:31] <inetpro> leave it for now
[17:31] <Kilos> ok
[17:32] <inetpro> check this for a few days and see for yourself if it works for you
[17:32] <Kilos> ok ty sir
[17:32]  * inetpro wbbl
[18:22] <captine> evening all
[18:22] <inetpro> wb captine
[18:23] <Kilos> hi captine  
[18:23] <inetpro> stickyboy: that's an interesting link you gave us above
[18:24] <inetpro> tricky stuff
[18:26] <captine> thnx
[18:26] <captine> been tough week
[18:27] <Kilos> we saw you spent a week as a guet
[18:27] <Kilos> guest
[18:27] <captine> so.  does anyone have a nice script that, when i put a dvd in a headless server (14.04), the machine will dump the VOB's and convert them to mkv or something?
[18:27] <captine> Kilos, think that was my tablet during loadshedding.  didnt shut the app down, so it kept reconnecting.
[18:27] <Kilos> aha
[18:28] <captine> i am trying to convert my dvd's to a format for plex media server
[18:34] <captine> Lmight drop off soon.  need to flash router with new firmware...
[18:39] <Private_User> sorry for going off topic people but does anybody bank with Standard Bank here?
[18:39] <Private_User> I want to make an international transfer via internet banking but cannot see how to do it or if its even possible
[18:43] <captine> you cannot make an international transfer in SA like that
[18:44] <captine> you need to fill in a BOP form normally (for sending or receiving money)
[18:44] <captine> to declare what it is for etc...  real pain.
[18:44] <MaNI> yeah don't bank with standard, but highly doubt it, forex here is a real pain
[18:44] <captine> Private_User, are you sending money from SA? or to SA?
[18:49] <Private_User> from SA
[18:50] <Private_User> that is not good MaNI, and I cannot even use my debit card to do online purchases so thought internet banking would be an alternative
[18:51] <Private_User> from SA captine
[18:51] <MaNI> if its a small payment use paypal and save yourself the hassle, if its a big payment you'll have to go into a bank
[18:51] <MaNI> expect to lose half a day of productivity
[18:51] <Private_User> lol
[18:51] <MaNI> be 1000% sure they get the SWIFT code etc. right, or three weeks later the money will come back and you will lose a bunch of it to fees for no reason
[18:53] <Private_User> yeah I would like to use something like paypal but because I cannot use my debit card for online payments I am now stuck more especially if I cannot even do an EFT
[18:54] <Private_User> at the bank when I went to check why they say it cannot be done so I asked for an alternate solution the oakie at the bank reckon I should go to FNB
[18:54] <Private_User> lol
[18:55] <Kilos> haha
[18:55] <Private_User> that is a stupid solution I must say
[18:55] <Kilos> everything is a mess up everywhere
[18:55] <MaNI> you should go credit card rather - have them set 0 limit if its the limit that concerns you
[18:56] <MaNI> credit cards are simply better than debit cards :(
[18:56] <MaNI> he isn't wrong by the way
[18:57] <Private_User> lol
[18:57] <MaNI> you probably should go to FNB :p
[18:58] <Private_User> hmm... I was trying to avoid the credit card route but now wondering if as you say get one that has 0 limit and every time I want to use it I load funds onto it
[18:58] <Private_User> I wonder if Standard Bank has such an option
[18:59] <captine> most of them dont like doing that
[18:59] <captine> I have tried
[19:00] <MaNI> FNB did it for me back in the day, but that was quite long ago... and yeah obviously they don't like it :p
[19:00] <MaNI> anyway your other option is just get one with a low limit, refuse any limit increases and control yourself, credit cards are insured against fraud at least
[19:03] <Private_User> yeah its an option but with my credit history and not having a regular income that's going to be a mission and a half to get one
[19:03] <Private_User> lol
[19:04] <MaNI> heh :(
[19:04] <MaNI> or go to FNB and then you can use paypal :p
[19:05] <MaNI> or does paypal need a CC as well, I actually don't know, hmm
[19:06] <Private_User> that is why I tried another 3rd party site Skrill cause as far as cost and fees go they seemed to be cheap compared to most but in order for me to upload funds to my account I need to transfer money but alas not able to do international transfer via my internet banking :(
[19:07] <MaNI> bitcoin. lol
[19:08] <inetpro> or give your money to a friend who is willing to handle the order for you
[19:14] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight