[04:19] <DonRichie> where are systemd's journal logs stored? In /run/systemd/journal there is nothing which looks like data files and /var/log/journal/ does not exist
[04:24] <DonRichie> I think i found the logs via "lsof | grep journal" :) The seem to be located at /run/log/journal
[04:49] <DonRichie> Can somebody tell me why Ubuntu 15.04s default behavior is to save the systemds journal logfiles not reboot safe?
[10:48] <lordievader> Good afternoon.
[10:52] <histo> hola
[10:53] <lordievader> Hey histo
[10:54] <histo> lordievader: hello
[12:59] <Onepamopa> guys, need some help
[13:00] <lordievader> Onepamopa: Please ask your questions.
[13:00] <Onepamopa> installex xfce4 (all packages), however, startxfce4 returns: "X: exec of /usr/bin/Xorg failed" "xinit: giving up" "xinit: unable to connect to X server: Connection refused"
[13:00] <Onepamopa> any ideas ?
[13:02] <lordievader> Onepamopa: Not really server related (more Xubuntu related), but have you installed an X server?
[13:03] <Onepamopa> Im not sure it's xubuntu related, Im using this on a dedicated server running Ubuntu Server 14.10
[13:04] <Onepamopa> xserver-xorg is already the newest version.
[13:04] <lordievader> Onepamopa: Not many people run X on their servers ;)
[13:04] <Onepamopa> well, I need to run a java profiler on it so ... no choice
[13:05] <Onepamopa> that means gui + vnc
[13:05] <Onepamopa> I chose xfce4 since it's lightweight
[13:05] <lordievader> Ugh, vnc.
[13:05] <Onepamopa> yeah yeah ...
[13:05] <lordievader> Anyhow, does /usr/bin/X exist?
[13:05] <Onepamopa> can I paste ?
[13:06] <lordievader> Paste what? This was just a yes or no question.
[13:06] <Onepamopa> # stat /usr/bin/X
[13:06] <Onepamopa>   File: ‘/usr/bin/X’
[13:06] <Onepamopa>   Size: 10192           Blocks: 24         IO Block: 4096   regular file
[13:06] <Onepamopa> Device: 902h/2306d      Inode: 12133       Links: 1
[13:06] <Onepamopa> Access: (6755/-rwsr-sr-x)  Uid: (    0/    root)   Gid: (    0/    root)
[13:06] <lordievader> !paste | Onepamopa
[13:06] <Onepamopa> right, next time :)
[13:06] <lordievader> I take that as a yes ;)
[13:07] <lordievader> Edit your ~/.xinitrc to start xfce and run 'startx' as a user.
[13:07] <Onepamopa> no .xinitrc file present at all
[13:09] <lordievader> Onepamopa: Edit/create, whatever ;)
[16:58] <gartral|2> hey all, got a bit of a pickle here, I have a server that's running 13.10.. I really want to upgrade it... how do I do this?
[17:00] <gartral|2> >.>
[17:03] <maxb> that sounds just business-as-usual, not a pickle?
[17:05] <maxb> Oh, *13*.10
[17:05] <maxb> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOLUpgrades/ seems relevant but somewhat dated
[17:06] <maxb> The core fact you'll need is that there exists http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/
[17:07] <gartral|2> ok, so add that to my sources and go from there?
[17:08] <maxb> I'd probably start by changing sources.list to point there, and then seeing if the normal upgrade procedure works
[17:10] <gartral|2> ok, so next stupid question... should I comment out the existing entries?
[17:11] <gartral|2> maxb: ^^^
[17:13] <maxb> An interesting question, and I'm not sure how the upgrader is going to respond, given that your upgrade target is *not* on old-releases since it's still supported
[17:13] <maxb> I'd give it a go with _just_ http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ lines active in sources.list, and see if the upgrader is smart enough to move you back to a normal mirror during the upgrade
[17:13] <gartral|2> well.. I can try both ways... I have a good backup so I'm not going to be *too* mad if it goes belly-up\
[17:14] <maxb> If it is not, the worst it's going to do is fail early before changing anything of significance, and roll-back sources.list
[17:15] <gartral|2> hrrm..
[17:17] <gartral|2> Seveas over in #ubuntu gave me a good alternative.. change all the sources to the target and do the updates/upgrades, following up with autoremove and debfoster
[17:17] <Seveas> Try the do-release-upgrade thing first though
[17:17] <Seveas> it /win 10
[17:18] <maxb> It's a practical alternative, though seems a shame to not get the all-in-one tidyness of do-release-upgrade, which is one of Ubuntu's nicest improvements over Debian
[17:18] <Seveas> as a long-time user of Ubuntu, before do-release-upgraded existed, I'm feeling fairly meh about it
[17:19] <Seveas> then again, I tend to do crazy things like skipping 5 releases in an upgrade
[17:19] <maxb> As someone about to have to hack together a basic equivalent for a bunch of Debian servers at work, I'm very enthusiastic about it :-)
[17:20] <gartral|2> maxb: backport do-release-upgrade and send a push request upstream to the Debian folks.. though they really are purists..
[17:21] <gartral|2> hm hm hm... checking for new release
[17:21] <gartral|2> nope...
[17:21] <gartral|2> "Your Ubuntu release is not supported anymore."
[17:21] <gartral|2> do-release-upgrade is a jerk
[17:22]  * maxb agrees :-)
[17:22] <maxb> Whoever thought up that error message was _not_ writing good UX
[17:23] <gartral|2> UX?
[17:24] <Seveas> fancy word for UI
[17:24] <gartral|2> ah, I was going to backronym it to "User eXplination"
[17:24] <maxb> eXperience
[17:24] <Seveas> User eXcrement
[17:24] <maxb> i.e. how pleased/furious the user is after using the UI :-)
[17:26] <gartral|2> ah, like windows explorer (HAAAAAAAAAAATE)
[17:27] <gartral|2> whoever over at Microsoft designed that PoS needs to be found; then Hung, Shot, Quartered, Electrocuted, Crucified and burned.
[17:31] <gartral|2> ooook on my way to upgrades
[17:31] <gartral|2> Seveas: should I do the standard upgrade then dist-upgrade?
[17:31] <Seveas> neh, just dist-upgrade
[17:32]  * gartral|2 blinks 
[17:32] <Seveas> otherwise your system may get into a fairly weird state
[17:32] <gartral|2> ok.. glad I double-checked
[17:32] <bekks> gartral|2: Whats "PoS"?
[17:32] <Seveas> bekks: piece of solid-human-waste...
[17:33] <gartral|2> 1264 upgraded, 213 newly installed, 18 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[17:33] <Seveas> sounds about right
[17:33] <Seveas> autoremove will remove more later
[17:34] <gartral|2> bekks: depending on context, either "Point of Sale", "Position of Star", or "Piece of S***". in my context, the 3rd one
[17:35] <maxb> The upgrade then dist-upgrade thing is just a way to enforce a different ordering on the package upgrades. The 'weird state' is that once you've started that kind of upgrade, you're committed to following up with the dist-upgrade right after, or your system _will_ be in a weird state
[17:35] <gartral|2> I love my internet. almost 2000 packages in about 30 minutes
[17:37] <gartral|2> doo-dee-doo
[17:37] <maxb> I'm guessing the upgrade then dist-upgrade thing came about either because it helped apt steer around some dependency resolution problems it had difficulty solving right, or possibly because it divides the upgrade into "less likely to interfere with people trying to simultaneously use the system" and "more likely to interfere ..." portions
[17:38] <gartral|2> maxb: considering under *normal" usage dist-upgrade tends to upgrade kernels/thing that require a reboot, I'm going to say the latter
[17:39] <gartral|2> 13:38 -!- Jarvis2 [~java@host86-139-75-0.range86-139.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Excess Flood] <--- phhht... bot
[17:39] <bekks> gartral|2: Or just a bouncer running wild.
[17:39] <gartral|2> my * hurts >.<
[17:52] <gartwitch> yay... terminals craashed
[17:55] <gartwitch> oh wow
[17:56] <Seveas> gartwitch: long live screen/tmux :)
[17:56] <gartwitch> telnet towel.blinkenlights.nl
[17:56] <gartwitch> Seveas: oh yea. I use byobu
[18:00] <gartwitch> is it bad that I can hear my server's hard drive from the next room, when the thing is in my bedroom closet?
[18:03] <dasjoe> Well, it might be bad. Depends on the noise
[18:03] <lordievader> Time for a smart check, I'd say.
[18:04] <dasjoe> I'm using a small script to check my SATA disks' SMART values, https://gist.github.com/dasjoe/a7252e3f737ec36de36f
[18:05] <gartwitch> it was a joke question , it's just the brand of HDD...
[18:06] <Patrickdk> hmm, smartmontools does that automatically
[18:07] <Patrickdk> really should use it instead of a script
[18:07] <Patrickdk> realtime notification, scheduled disk smart test runs
[18:09] <dasjoe> Patrickdk: I prefer doing it manually before and after a run of "badblocks -svwe 3" so I can compare outputs. Also, I only want to see the stats I'm interested in, like http://paste.debian.net/191119/
[18:09]  * gartwitch passes out pancakes
[18:10] <Patrickdk> during a disk test is different
[18:10] <Patrickdk> I mean more for production usage
[18:10] <Patrickdk> not randomly for disk checks
[18:13] <gartral|2> Seveas: what was that command... debfiller?
[18:32] <gartral|2> Seveas: should i reboot before or after the autoremove/debfoster?
[18:33] <Seveas> gartral|2: reboot after dist-upgrade has finished, but ONLY if it finished without errors. If there were errors, pastebin them.
[18:34] <gartral|2> Seveas: understood
[18:46] <gartral|2> you know what apt needs?
[18:46] <gartral|2> apt needs a way to show an estimate on the amount of your life wasted by babysitting it, measured in time.
[19:19] <gartral|2> uuuughh
[19:45] <gartral|2> Seveas: looks like it completed without error
[19:49] <gartral|2> uh oh...
[19:50] <gartral|2> Seveas: great... it's giving me connection refused when trying to ssh back in
[19:50] <gartral|2> Seveas: then agin, it really helps when I type the damn address right >.>
[19:53] <gartral|2> Seveas: autoremove or debfoster first?
[19:55] <gartral|2> bekks: hey
[19:56] <gartral|2> maxb: you around?
[19:56] <maxb> hello
[19:58] <gartral|2> do you know if I should autoremove or debfoster?
[20:05] <maxb> These are mainly tidying-up operations. Wise for the long term sanity of your installation, but not immediately critical
[20:09] <Seveas> gartral|2: autoremove. debfoster takes time and you'll want to study its manpage before running it.
[20:21] <gartral|2> Seveas: sudo seems to be throwing an odd error: "no talloc stackframe at ../source3/param/loadparm.c:4864, leaking memory
[20:25] <gartral|2> seems to be samba related, meh
[20:30] <Seveas> gartral|2: I'm afraid it's bedtime here, so I can't help any further
[21:09] <devster31> hi, what's the preferred way to get python 2.7.9?
[21:09] <lordievader> !info python2
[21:09] <lordievader> !info python
[21:10] <lordievader> devster31: What version of Ubuntu are you running?
[21:10] <devster31> 14.04 unfortunately
[21:11] <devster31> 14.04-2 server
[21:11] <lordievader> !info python trusty
[21:13] <lordievader> devster31: The Ubuntu Toolchain PPA has an Python 2.7.9 available for Trusty: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-toolchain-r/+archive/ubuntu/ppa
[21:15] <devster31> oh, nice
[22:21] <tyler_wylie> Has anyone setup an ubuntu-server VPS as a VPN endpoint? I am having issues with ISP's backbone routing trying to enjoy games and am tempted to roll my own VPN via VPS
[22:55] <Locke2002> I can't find the right way to google my problem. What are the right key terms I should search for: I already have a mail server and I want the other hosts on my domain to use the mail server for their mail?
[22:55] <Patrickdk> dunno, that is very undefined
[22:57] <Patrickdk> what mail software are you using?
[22:57] <Locke2002> sendmail
[22:57] <Patrickdk> what exactly is meant by other hosts on my domain
[22:57] <Locke2002> just other ubuntu servers. I don't know if it's a stupid thing to want, but I want to use alpine from any of my other servers for the same inboxes
[22:59] <Locke2002> I guess that's a side point. What I really want in the long run is to be able to have the other hosts send mail to/through my mail server
[22:59] <Locke2002> and I guess that just means reading and understanding more about relaying?
[22:59] <Patrickdk> I guess you just want your server to act as a msa then
[23:00] <Patrickdk> google how to configure sendmail as an msa
[23:00] <Patrickdk> and how to setup your other servers to use it
[23:00] <Locke2002> Thank you, I will look into that :)
[23:00] <Patrickdk> generally to simplify things, you would setup a nullmailer on the other machines
[23:01] <Patrickdk> rather than use a full mailsystem on them to relay to that one
[23:02] <Locke2002> ah ok