[01:23] <jak2000> i want add a user as sudoer, but cant: sudo vi /etc/sudoers dit an sae but cant save the message always is:  "E45: 'readonly' option is set (add ! to override)"  how to fix it?
[01:35] <tyler_wylie> jak2000: can't you just add someoen to the wheel group? otherwise aren't you supposed to use visudo
[01:35] <pmatulis> the wheel group? is that freebsd?
[01:36] <tyler_wylie> pmatulis: most *nix's
[01:36] <tyler_wylie> pmatulis: unless something's changed recently
[01:36] <pmatulis> jak2000: not sure why you are getting that error but try doing what it says (:w! or :x!)
[01:36] <jak2000> pmatulis solved with visudo
[01:37] <pmatulis> jak2000: right, was going to mention that too
[01:37] <tyler_wylie> looks like wheel is most linux / freebsd but not debian/ubuntu, hm
[01:37] <tyler_wylie> eitherway, visudo the way to go to edit /etc/sudoers.
[04:14] <diytto> hey guys i have 1TB of space on my server allocated to my / partition and i can't use it. is there any way to remedy this?
[04:21] <linuxmint> Hello, what command lets me see what actions my server did last night? The auto backups has over filled the disk.
[04:22] <linuxmint> I can't find where the incomplete backups went to before the disk was filled.
[04:22] <linuxmint> I can see the top 10 largest files, in /var, but I don't think I can delete those files.
[04:30] <linuxmint> Ok, I deleted a bunch of files, which gives my disk 91.3% space.
[04:31] <linuxmint> I need to clear the incomplete backups, so the end of this month's auto backups will have enough space to complete and not freeze up the server.
[05:44] <gartral|2> hey all after doing a release upgrade my apache configurations are broken, any ideas?
[05:45] <Seveas> gartral|2: that's not entirely surprising, apache changes things frequently. What's the error?
[05:46] <gartral|2> Seveas: the ever unhelpful: apache2_reload: Your configuration is broken. Not restarting Apache 2
[05:47] <Seveas> check the apache logs
[05:49] <gartral|2> Seveas: no errors that I see... http://paste.ubuntu.com/11489955/
[05:52] <Seveas> gartral|2: hmm, and what does /etc/init.d/apache2 configtest say?
[05:55] <gartral|2> Seveas: configtest isn't an option
[05:55] <Seveas> then my apache knowledge is a bit rusty it seems :)
[05:55] <gartral|2> Usage: apache2 {start|stop|graceful-stop|restart|reload|force-reload|start-htcacheclean|stop-htcacheclean}
[05:56] <Seveas> try this: apache2 -t
[05:56] <Seveas> (not the initscript, the actual binary)
[05:58] <gartral|2> AH00526: Syntax error on line 74 of /etc/apache2/apache2.conf: Invalid Mutex directory in argument file:${APACHE_LOCK_DIR}
[06:00] <Seveas> ding!
[06:00] <gartral|2> /etc/apache2/apache2.conf doesn't exist...
[06:00] <Seveas> check the relevant config line, look up its documentation, and fix as appropriate
[06:43] <gartral|2> Seveas: can you do my a favor
[06:45] <Seveas> depends on the favor
[06:46] <gartral|2> can you check to see if http://kitsunet.info:1180/phpBB3 is accessable?
[06:53] <Seveas> Not Found
[06:53] <Seveas> The requested URL /phpBB3 was not found on this server.
[07:02] <gartral|2> Seveas: try again
[07:05] <Seveas> I get a vlank forum
[07:05] <Seveas> blank*
[07:05] <Seveas> so it seems to work :)
[07:29] <lordievader> Good morning.
[10:49] <rbasak> jamespage, hallyn: I'll take the squid3 merge.
[10:55] <jamespage> rbasak, +1 thanks
[10:55] <jamespage> rbasak, do you have time for a quick transitional package type question?
[10:56] <rbasak> jamespage: sure
[10:56] <jamespage> rbasak, trying to wrap my head around a reverse transition from last cycle
[10:56] <jamespage> rbasak, so...
[10:57] <jamespage> during vivid we did a transition from python-oslo.XXXX to python-oslo-XXXX which was a little confused due to upstream dropping namespaces
[10:57] <jamespage> rbasak, this was not really required, and we're trying to realign with debian to get some scale on packaging at least on the dependency chain
[10:57] <jamespage> rbasak, I know I need a breaks/replaces on the switch back to avoid dpkg overwrite problems
[10:58] <jamespage> rbasak, but do we need to keep the python-oslo-XXXX packages in Ubuntu as well?
[10:58] <rbasak> "from python-oslo.XXXX to python-oslo-XXXX"?
[10:58] <rbasak> But whichever way, I don't know of any reason to keep old packages around.
[10:58] <rbasak> Not even for one release.
[10:58] <rbasak> All the metadata for the transition ends up in debian/control in the new packages.
[10:59] <rbasak> Oh, hold on.
[10:59] <rbasak> You're talking about binary packages and I thought you were talking about source.
[10:59] <jamespage> rbasak, yeah - binaries
[10:59] <jamespage> rbasak, look at something like oslo-messaging for example
[10:59] <rbasak> Yes, you would need the old binary package names as transitional packages in the new source package.
[11:00] <jamespage> rbasak, urgh - that's what I thought
[11:00] <rbasak> Otherwise users who have the old binary package installed won't get the new one.
[11:00] <rbasak> Need that until the next LTS.
[11:00] <jamespage> rbasak, not really - only for one cycle
[11:00] <rbasak> Yeah if it was only in a non-LTS
[11:00] <jamespage> it is only in a non-LTS
[11:00] <jamespage> thank golly for that
[11:01] <rbasak> Maybe there's one exception here in your case though.
[11:01] <jamespage> rbasak, trying to avoid another delta to maintain
[11:01] <rbasak> For you it's a dependency package. So users will end up with the new thing when they upgrade because the higher level thing will depend on the new name.
[11:01] <jamespage> rbasak, yeah - its not really a direct installed package
[11:02] <jamespage> yup - thats true
[11:02] <rbasak> So provided that no user is using the old package without the directly installed package, then you could probably technically get away without the transitional package.
[11:02] <rbasak> I'm not sure if it's acceptable to do that or not though.
[11:03] <jamespage> rbasak, I did think about abusing Provides
[11:03] <rbasak> You will still need to maintain the breaks/replaces anyway, so maybe it's not that much to maintain the transitional on top?
[11:03] <jamespage> rbasak, yeah - just trying to get this into debian to be delta free
[11:03] <jamespage> rbasak, zigo did say transitional packages would be OK - but FTP master may not think so
[11:03] <jamespage> as this is a transition Debian did not do
[11:03] <jamespage> only Ubuntu
[11:04] <rbasak> jamespage: https://wiki.debian.org/PackageTransition
[11:04] <rbasak> Provides is acceptable.
[11:04] <rbasak> jamespage: but you still need transitional packages I think.
[11:04] <rbasak> jamespage: otherwise depending on upgrade ordering dpkg will still fail with a file conflict.
[11:05] <jamespage> rbasak, I think so yes
[12:48] <trippeh> the sysv-style init scripts should still work in systemd-enabled 15.04 right?
[12:49] <trippeh> if there is no matching unit file
[12:51] <trippeh> cant get watchdog to start (/dev/watchdog poller)
[12:51] <trippeh> huh now it started
[12:54] <trippeh> ah. does not start on boot.
[12:56] <trippeh> perhaps there is a more modern alternative?
[12:56] <rbasak> trippeh: yes, but make sure you use the "service" wrapper to ensure the right thing is called. Calling a sysv script directly when systemd or upstart is in use is dangerous.
[12:57] <trippeh> #1448924
[12:57] <trippeh> rbasak: yeah, used "service"
[15:18] <acro458> Does anyone have any idea if there is a linux program similar to this: http://www.seattlelab.com/slnet_about/
[15:24] <quantic> acro458: uhhh, that just sounds like a telnet server to me...
[15:24] <quantic> but maybe I'm really missing something
[15:25] <jpds> acro458: What's wrong with SSH?
[15:26] <acro458> It is a telnet server
[15:26] <jrwren> do you get a c:\> prompt when using it with windows?
[15:27] <acro458> It is for using openbasic
[15:27] <acro458> through anziowin
[15:28] <jrwren> acro458: to what end?
[15:28] <acro458> To connect to the serverdon't need ssh. It is
[15:28] <acro458> To connect to the server
[15:28] <acro458> It doesnt need ssh. It is internal-only. Network not connected to the outside
[15:29] <acro458> Proprietary software
[15:29] <acro458> Need a telnet service that can handle unlimited users
[15:29] <jpds> Why would you want to use telnet in 2015?
[15:29] <jrwren> acro458: yeah, this does not make any sense to me.
[15:29]  * quantic has to be missing something, here.
[15:29] <acro458> Because I 100% have to. Its my job
[15:29] <jrwren> acro458: find a new job ;p
[15:29] <quantic> That sounds like a disaster in the making.
[15:29] <acro458> Are you going to pay me?
[15:30] <jrwren> apt-get install telnetd
[15:30] <jrwren> does what you want.
[15:30] <jrwren> its a bad idea.
[15:30] <jrwren> I strongly urge you to strongly urge your superiors that this is a bad idea and ssh exists for many many good reasons.
[15:30] <acro458> So I should just pay $15,000 from that website?
[15:30] <acro458> It is an internal network
[15:31] <acro458> why would we need ssh?
[15:31] <jrwren> lol.
[15:31] <acro458> It has been running on telnet for 30 years
[15:31]  * quantic wouldn't pay ANYONE that can't understand why you simply don't use telnet EVAR.
[15:31] <jrwren> ever heard of stuxnet?
[15:31] <jpds> !telnet | acro458
[15:32] <quantic> yeah, welcome to 2015 - there is no such thing as an internal network
[15:32] <quantic> and "proprietary software" == "its secure because we said military-grade somewhere in the description"
[15:33] <acro458> If people access the network, we have MUCH bigger problems than us using telnet vs ssh internally
[15:33] <jrwren> there are some cases where I might use telnet, like if the network is not at all internet connected. firewalled to internal is not enough.
[15:34] <jrwren> AND every node on the network has controlled physical access.
[15:34] <quantic> even then, I would feel dirty. :P
[15:34] <jrwren> yes, I'd want my keyauth and still use ssh, but I might be OK with deploying some archaic app which uses telnet
[15:34] <jrwren> acrocity: afaik, apt-get install telnetd does what you want.
[15:35] <quantic> he gone
[15:35] <jrwren> oh oops, sorry acrocity
[15:35] <jpds> http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=telnet
[15:35] <jpds> Telnet also hasn't seen an update in years.
[15:36] <jrwren> because its "done" and stable :)
[15:38] <quantic> text goes in, text goes out
[15:45] <jrwren> nc -l <port> | bash & echo <commands> | nc <host> <port>
[15:49]  * jpds wonders what happens if you dd /dev/urandom to a telnet server.
[15:50]  * jrwren tries it
[18:39] <Delemas> I just upgraded from Ubuntu 14.10 to 15.04. The upgrade claimed to have worked but apparently Ubuntu can't deal with /usr on it's own partition as such server can't boot.
[18:40] <Delemas> I'm trying to find a way to fix this other than a total reinstall...
[18:40] <sarnold> Delemas: you may have success switching back to upstart from systemd
[18:41] <sarnold> Delemas: see this for suggestions https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SystemdForUpstartUsers#Permanent_switch_back_to_upstart
[18:42] <Delemas> do-release-upgrade should really fail before starting when /usr is a separate mount...
[18:44] <Delemas> Trying that. I really hope that does it...
[18:46] <Delemas> FML
[18:48] <Delemas> Now it doesn't want to mount /var...
[18:50] <Delemas> sarnold, Thanks. That made it so it would at least boot with manual proding...
[18:50] <sarnold> Delemas: woo :) please do file bug reports.. I know I saw something else recently about a separate /usr giving trouble but I can't recall the setting..
[18:54] <Delemas> hmm I wonder which package I should file against...
[18:54] <Delemas> do-release-upgrade? systemd? hmmm
[18:56] <sarnold> Delemas: I think both; perhaps first against systemd in the hopes it gets fixed, but also adding do-release-upgrade for trusty might be a good idea, in case it can't easily be fixed in the future :/
[19:34] <jelly> hey, if debian can make a separate /usr work, so should ubuntu
[19:38] <dannf> hallyn: do you think we can fix LP: #1457639 in a vivid sru? do you have other things queued for vivid?
[19:39] <dannf> hallyn: (post-debsync-for-wily, of course)
[19:40] <Delemas> 2 bugs filed...
[19:47] <hallyn> dannf: yes i think that's SRuable.  well i didn't look at the patch but it looks important enough
[19:47] <hallyn> dannf: i intend to merge from debian tue or wed this week
[19:47] <hallyn> thenwe can sru.  lemme check my list
[19:48] <hallyn> actually my list is empty other sruing the "kvm on all arches"
[19:49] <dannf> hallyn: "kvm on all arches"? like a metapackge?
[19:50] <dannf> but cool, will touch base with you after the sync
[19:57] <hallyn> cool
[19:59] <Delemas> For some reason the boot is hung up on mount /var. The entry is correct. I do a mount -av and exit emergency maintenance mode and normal boot occurs...
[20:00] <Delemas> I get "The disk drive for /var is not ready yet or not present." it is very weird...
[20:12] <dasjoe> I take it a trusty container can't be booted using systemd-nspawn? It just gets stuck: http://paste.debian.net/193379/
[20:40] <Delemas> man... apparently I'm forced to repartition...
[21:27] <trippeh> re earlier, has telnetd been updated for the systemd world? :P
[21:27]  * trippeh hides
[21:31] <sarnold> trippeh: it looks like it'll use update-inetd to change its configuration when installed: http://sources.debian.net/src/netkit-telnet/0.17-40/debian/telnetd.postinst/