[02:00] <mapps> finally got power again
[02:00] <mapps> have powercuts in smme here;/
[02:00] <mapps> summer
[02:06] <zmoylan-pi> often, for how long?
[02:06] <mapps> earlier at work for maybe 30mins comes back went off again..pitch black everywhere except company office buildings with generators
[02:07] <mapps> yesterday went off for few mins thn back on thn off got home still off..comes back on..goes again;(
[02:07] <zmoylan-pi> slap a powerbank onto the wifi ap and go mobile... :-)
[02:07] <shauno> and you complain about the uk?  hehe
[02:08] <zmoylan-pi> well i'm in ireland.  i think my longest power cut here was about an hour in last 10 years at current location. only 1-2 other power cuts.
[02:09] <zmoylan-pi> 2 local substations had been hit by lightening so kinda understandable.
[02:09] <mapps> what could i get for mmy wifi to make it last a few hours
[02:09] <mapps> that isnt too expensive
[02:10] <zmoylan-pi> a ups would do all the work.  but if you were smart you might be able to rig up a powerbank on the right wifi ap with care
[02:13]  * zmoylan-1i wonders if someone makes a wifi ap with a built in battery 
[02:13] <mapps> hmm
[02:13] <mapps> ups might be cheap enough now
[02:13] <shauno> pretry much any ups you can find will surprise you
[02:14] <shauno> the cheapest ups apc have says it'll keep 100W for 25 minutes.  my router is 9 watts.  if you call it 10, that's 250 minutes
[02:14] <zmoylan-1i> i've never had much luck with ups's
[02:15] <mapps> hmm
[02:15] <mapps> how much is that shauno
[02:15] <zmoylan-1i> but then i never chose them i got foisted with what was cheapest by others
[02:15] <shauno> way too much lol, I think about 80gbp 'recommended'
[02:15] <shauno> but it was just an example that something that expects to carry a 200W desktop is going to carry a 10W router for ages
[02:19] <mapps> ah
[02:19] <mapps> yea
[02:20] <mapps> il get one then if this happns loads
[02:20] <mapps> my laptops last for a few hrs so dont need one for them
[02:26] <zmoylan-pi> one of my smuggest moments was in 90s connected to internet with psion and mobile modem and in middle of power cut simply switching on backlight and continuing :-D
[03:07] <mapps> =]
[03:54] <mapps> urgh so hot
[03:54] <mapps> 20c at 5;40am
[03:54] <mapps> window open but no breeze nd get pesky mosquitos in
[03:54] <mapps> lounge and kichen are nice and cool..might hae to sleep there
[03:55] <mapps> gonna opwn window fully in spare room hopefully get some more air around the place
[04:28] <zmoylan-pi> [Dublin, DUB, Ireland] Condition: Fair | Temp: 5C/41F/278K/500R | Humidity: 87% | Wind Speed 18mph/29kmph
[04:28] <zmoylan-pi>  MegBot> [Gibraltar, Gibraltar] Condition: Partly Cloudy | Temp: 19C/66F/292K/525R | Humidity: 94% | Wind Speed 5mph/8kmph
[05:05] <mapps> yea see;p
[05:06] <mapps> struggling to sleep
[06:59] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[07:18] <MooDoo> morning all
[07:23] <brobostigon> morning MooDoo
[07:24] <MooDoo> :)
[07:25] <brobostigon> :)
[08:58] <Laney> such buzzing from these speakers
[08:58]  * Laney begins the shop for a new set
[09:00] <ne2k> Laney, do they buzz with nothing connected?
[09:00] <Laney> yeah
[09:00] <Laney> and it changes when I twiddle the volume knob
[09:00] <ne2k> hmmm, yeah, then that's internal
[09:02] <Laney> oh actually it's better now that I swapped it to the other power strip
[09:03] <Laney> need to rewire this place :(
[09:04] <TwistedLucidity> Laney: I had horrendous buzzing from my speakers a while back. Found out that that transformer had been shifted and was not lying on top of some speaker cables. A quick rearrangement and all was right again.
[09:04] <TwistedLucidity> "...and was now..."
[09:05] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Monday, and happy Say Something Nice Day! 😃
[09:13] <Laney> TwistedLucidity: Yeah, it seems like they aren't really shielded so are prone to external interference
[09:13] <Laney> there's still a bit of a buzz now but it's about 10% of what it was
[10:46] <ne2k_> moi
[12:09] <daftykins> diddledan__: just got this in 8.1 0o https://www.dropbox.com/s/usvyj4trlz4xjgs/10offer.png?dl=0
[12:10] <awilkins> I'm curious
[12:11] <awilkins> I want to know if it's a like-for-like replacement
[12:11] <daftykins> ?
[12:11] <awilkins> ie - retail for retail
[12:11] <awilkins> Retail licenses you can move between systems
[12:11] <daftykins> definitely not
[12:11] <daftykins> but then the version i'm typing from is an 8.1 upgrade from when 8 first released
[12:12] <awilkins> I don't mind if I can get a license key and then install it at my leisure on hardware of my choice
[12:12] <awilkins> My next system upgrade will entail a significant rebuild anyway
[12:13] <ne2k_> my (limited) understanding was that Windows 10 was to be free
[12:13] <ne2k_> but I might be wrong about that
[12:13] <awilkins> Free upgrade from 7 and 8
[12:13] <ne2k> ah, right
[12:13] <ne2k> as we all know, every other version of windows is shit
[12:14] <daftykins> now now, that's not family friendly language, ne2k
[12:14] <daftykins> tsk tsk :)
[12:14] <ne2k> 98 good, ME cack. xp good, vista cack. 7 good, 8 cack. You can see where this is going
[12:14] <awilkins> I hear 8 isn't bad
[12:15] <awilkins> It's just the default UI that people hate
[12:15] <ne2k> daftykins, apologies for the language, I normally hang out in channels where they don't mind
[12:15] <daftykins> its' desktop even with a start menu replacement is extremely annoying
[12:15] <awilkins> I tend to use Windows as platform for launching Steam / Other Game Launcher / Games from now anyway
[12:16] <daftykins> hrmm here's an FAQ link - http://www.microsoft.com/en-gb/windows/windows-10-faq?ocid=win10_auxapp_AnswerDesk_win10faq
[12:16] <awilkins> I don't do any productive work with it, except as a captive in a VM
[12:16] <daftykins> 29th July confirmed date :o
[12:16] <ne2k> so, if they've deliberately left out 9 and gone straight to 10, is this basically an admission that it too will be cack? i.e. 9 would have been good, but they couldn't be bothered with the faff of writing a decent OS, so they've just skipped a version and gone for cack again
[12:16] <directhex> ne2k: skipping 9 is to avoid "9*" version checks in real-world apps
[12:16] <ne2k> awilkins, is it qemu? has it been patched? if not, you might not be as captive as you thought? ;-)
[12:16] <directhex> e.g. Java does that
[12:16] <awilkins> "the reservation is associated with the device and not the user"
[12:17] <awilkins> ne2k, VirtualBox
[12:17] <ne2k> awilkins, can't remember if it's vulnerable to venom too
[12:17]  * awilkins shrugs
[12:17] <awilkins> I don't do much with it besides run Office and our locked-in web conference platform
[12:17] <daftykins> 10 actually seems very nice, i've been using the preview a lot
[12:17] <ne2k> awilkins, yeah, virtualbox is vulnerable
[12:17] <ne2k> http://venom.crowdstrike.com/
[12:18] <daftykins> was that the floppy controller thing?
[12:18] <ne2k> daftykins, yes. still don't know of any published exploits, but...
[12:19] <awilkins> Is it OK if you don't add a virtual floppy to any of your virtual systems?
[12:19] <daftykins> no
[12:19] <ne2k> awilkins, no, the vulnerability exists regardless of whether you have any virtual floppy controllers
[12:19] <awilkins> Poopies
[12:19] <ne2k> "For many of the affected virtualization products, a virtual floppy drive is added to new virtual machines by default. And on Xen and QEMU, even if the administrator explicitly disables the virtual floppy drive, an unrelated bug causes the vulnerable FDC code to remain active and exploitable by attackers." oh hang on, it's not quite that simples
[12:20] <awilkins> BUT! Could probably just grab the VirtualBox sources and compile them without vfloppy support
[12:20] <ne2k> awilkins, it seems VBox is not affected if you have no floppy controller
[12:20] <ne2k> only xen and qemu
[12:20] <awilkins> ne2k, Huzzah
[12:20] <awilkins> Presume it's some kind of horrible DMA exploiut
[12:21] <ne2k> awilkins, floppy driver controller command buffer overflow
[12:22] <awilkins> Ah, the best kind of code, shared, unaudited code
[12:22] <foobarry> readjusting to life after a week in cornwall
[12:22] <ne2k> awilkins, there are two commands which do not get executed immediately, apparently, and which therefore allow a buffer overflow
[12:22] <ne2k> and therefore, potentially, arbitrary code execution in the host's hypervisor process
[12:36] <popey> ooh https://oneplus.net/uk 179 quid for the 16GB version
[12:36] <foobarry> airfix are doing "kitstarter" http://www.airfix.com/uk-en/kitstarter :D
[12:37] <foobarry> pledge support for old kits to be re-made
[12:41] <daftykins> popey: out of stock :D
[12:41] <popey> so soon...
[12:41] <zmoylan-pi> i liked airfix as a kid but it always felt as less than lego to me somehow
[12:42] <TwistedLucidity> foobarry: "new concept exclusive to Airfix.com" err....hasn't Lego had something like this for ages?
[12:42] <TwistedLucidity> Ah no, my mistake. The Lego one is for new/community designs
[12:42] <foobarry> zmoylan-pi: because really airfix is a grown up hobby that kids can emulate, but a good model requires advanced skills
[12:43] <foobarry> lego doesn't realyl require advanced skills, just follow instructions and the same result everytime
[12:43] <foobarry> with scale models the result is as good as your skill level/effort expended
[12:43] <zmoylan-pi> wow, i almost never made the suggested models with lego.
[12:44] <TwistedLucidity> foobarry: I find a hammer help. Unfortunately I seem to keep buying the "plastic refuse" kit....
[12:44] <zmoylan-pi> i did have a fairly good working monorail
[12:44] <TwistedLucidity> popey: That is oh so very tempting. Curse you! :-)
[12:44] <popey> you have 7 days
[12:45] <popey> they are doing daily flash sales
[12:45] <foobarry> plastic refuse: http://www.creativemodels.co.uk/meng_model_135_vending_machine_and_dumpster_set-p-37724.html
[12:45] <foobarry> build a plastic bin for it
[12:45] <TwistedLucidity> popey: I am just pondering how to blame Canonical....
[12:45] <popey> why not
[12:45] <popey> everyone else does
[12:45] <TwistedLucidity> LOL
[12:46] <TwistedLucidity> It's June 1st. Why is it so cold? What has Canoncial done????
[12:47] <zmoylan-pi> they released a phone so hell is freezing over? :-P
[12:47] <Laney> it was probably Canonical's servers that tipped climate change over the edge
[12:48] <TwistedLucidity> I'm thinking it's the Ubuntu fridge - it's trying to chill the world!
[12:48] <TwistedLucidity> £219 for the 64gb version. I could ditch my O2 contract 'n all
[12:49] <foobarry> my dumb colleague opens the window regardless of weather
[12:50] <foobarry> hence i am cold
[12:50] <TwistedLucidity> Defenestration
[12:51] <zmoylan-pi> i shared an office with a body builder who had reduced his body fat to silly %.  on hottest summer days he was still cold
[12:51] <foobarry> this guy is 100% body fat
[12:51] <TwistedLucidity> He's butter?
[12:51] <foobarry> i have no squishy bits
[12:52] <zmoylan-pi> is he management? :-D
[12:52] <foobarry> no, nobody knows what he does
[12:52] <zmoylan-pi> i grew up in house with out heating.  i like a cold room. i used to keep office so cold people didn't linger in my office :-)
[12:53] <foobarry> my parents in law kept opening all windows in teh cold cottage last wek
[12:53] <foobarry> i went round closing them again all day
[12:53] <TwistedLucidity> zmoylan-pi: You probably have more brown/beige fat cells which are capable of generating heat directly. Unlike white which is just an enegeyr store.
[12:53] <zmoylan-pi> i knew there was a reason all cats sleep on me... :-D
[12:55] <foobarry> how to determine who paid money int o mny accoutn?
[12:55] <TwistedLucidity> The oneplus doesn't have a microSD or removeable battery? Dang.
[12:57] <TwistedLucidity> It's also enormous (I just double-checked the sizes). If I want a tablet, I'll buy a tablet!
[12:57] <popey> been looking at intel tablets for hacking
[12:57] <popey> dell venue 8 pro seems like it could be worth a punt
[12:57] <popey> second hand
[12:58] <foobarry> my hudl2 battery is rather poor
[12:58] <popey> how poor?
[12:58] <foobarry> i know its intel but others were claining good things
[12:59] <foobarry> turn it on, leave on standy for couple hours, give it to my son for an hour and it feels like its all gone
[12:59] <popey> my battery gauge on my hudl2 says "Fully charged battery usually lasts: 1 day 2 hours 26 minutes"
[12:59] <foobarry> screen off a lot?
[12:59] <foobarry> also , crossy road turns it into a 2-bar heater
[13:00] <foobarry> who knew that frogger would kill so many trees
[13:00] <popey> dunno really
[13:00] <popey> yeah, crossy road is a battery eater
[13:20] <foobarry> nicely done game though
[13:20] <zmoylan-pi> one thing that irked me most with android was the apps that insisted on running after i exited them
[13:21] <foobarry> fast reboot helps a bit
[13:21] <foobarry> but yeah
[13:21] <zmoylan-pi> kill the app, 5 minutes later it was running again without me starting it
[13:21] <foobarry> despite being based on linux kernel, android is the most windowsy phone os out there
[13:21] <zmoylan-pi> bonus points, apps that were installed by the tablet manufacturer that you have never used
[13:21] <foobarry> quickoffice is dead yet i cannot remove it
[13:22] <foobarry> if i root my phone then i can't get OTA updates
[13:23] <zmoylan-pi> bonus bonus points, apps that google install that i never wanted
[13:23] <zmoylan-pi> so i've given up on android.  still have a tablet for playing media but when it dies i won't replace it
[13:25] <foobarry> similar to linux, there may only be the 1% that care enough to do something
[13:29] <foobarry> my grass seed actually grew
[13:29] <foobarry> i now have a patchy lawn
[13:30] <zmoylan-pi> apache lawn for an indian summer...
[14:49] <ne2k> popey, that oneplus thing is tremendously confusing. it doesn't actually say what it is
[14:49] <popey> is it?
[14:49] <ne2k> well, I mean, it's clearly a phone
[14:49] <ne2k> but it doesn't have any actual, you know, like, text on the website
[14:50] <ne2k> you know, like, specs, what OS it runs, who is behind it, what the point of it is, anythign like that
[14:50] <popey> it does when you scroll down
[14:51] <popey> bottom of https://oneplus.net/uk/one
[14:51] <ne2k> ah, gotta love those pages that look like they just end at the bottom of the screen
[14:52] <ne2k> white nothingness
[14:55] <ne2k> popey, did you see e-mail reply from Pascal Morin, btw? I'm not entirely sure if he wants me to do something, or what's happening
[14:57] <popey> uh, no, not clear to me either
[15:28] <ne2k> popey, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1451233 this chap seems to have a similar problem and has been told to try the upstream kernel. do you think it'd be worth me doing that?
[15:28] <ne2k> there's also the early preview of the vivid HWE
[15:31] <popey> ne2k: tbh, I don't know. I don't have any devices with that chipset
[16:01] <Myrtti> http://www.engadget.com/2015/06/01/london-mail-mail-vr awesum
[17:18] <intrbiz> haha, Intel has 0x8086 and 0x8087 as their PCI vendor ID
[17:19] <zmoylan-pi> the long winter nights must just fly by... :-)
[17:21] <intrbiz> zmoylan-pi: it amused me, I realise I'm one sad individual
[17:34]  * zmoylan-pi paints a corner of the room to keep intrbiz entertained... :-)
[17:37] <intrbiz> zmoylan-pi: I hope it is tartan paint
[19:44] <ging> i keep finding on ubuntu 14.04 i am missing quite a few root ca certificates, is there a package which installs a load of extras or a another type of quick fix?
[19:48] <ging> i'm using chrome if that makes a diffference
[19:50] <popey> ca-certificates - but the one I have is quite old, and hasn't needed to be updated for a while
[19:50] <popey> dunno if chrome has its own store?
[19:56] <MartijnVdS>  I think it does
[21:09] <MooDoo> evening all
[21:44] <intrbiz> I thought chrome used the system store (IIRC it does on windows) FF uses its own store