[05:38] morning all [05:49] Morning everyone [05:50] hi barrydk [06:07] hi ThatGraemeGuy [06:07] hi nlsthzn [06:07] uncle Kilos... hello [06:08] hows neelsie? [06:08] we cold again [06:08] I know where your heat went [06:08] where? [06:09] it is lurking outside my house, trying to get in [06:09] lolol === kolibri_user is now known as andrewlsd [06:27] Hi all. [06:27] hi andrewlsd [06:27] Kilos, I'm connecting via KolibriOS. 32MB ram, drive is 1.44MB disk image [06:27] with gui. [06:27] wow [06:35] Morning everyone [06:36] hi mazal [06:46] sjoe andrewlsd written in machine code [07:04] Hi Mazal [07:04] Hi ThatGraemeGuy [07:05] * andrewlsd shuts down tiny KolibriOS vm now [07:06] * andrewlsd is back via Hexchat [07:07] interesting that KolibriOS [07:08] indeed, not often that you find something that can run happily/snappily on a P1 [07:09] should be lekker on a P3 or early P4 [07:09] ram is always the killer [07:09] it's bonkers quick. almost instant. and the same goes for launching applications. [07:10] i will have to try that sometime [07:10] of course, there are not many applications that are written in assembly. [07:11] there is a minecraft clone: MineAssembly [07:11] over at https://github.com/Overv/MineAssemble [07:12] Hi guys [07:12] Hallo inetpro [07:12] do you know about minetest andrewlsd [07:12] This day started with a lot of speed [07:12] good evening [07:13] hi inetpro [07:13] oops... it's Monday? [07:13] lol [07:13] Kilos: yip, I have heard of it, but haven't ever gotten into minecraft (I don't understand the hype) [07:13] ^ that's true for most games. I'm not much of a gamer. [07:13] minetest is free [07:14] and graeme ran/runs a server for us but it eats data [07:14] we spent months building things [07:15] Kilos: why? [07:15] ... not being nasty, but I find that I am unable to spend days on anything. [07:15] instant** [07:16] which is why I probably never get _into_ gaming [07:16] ... unless I have godmode cheats so that I can survive more than 2 minutes. [07:16] andrewlsd i dunno why it eats data, i spose being online [07:17] I prefer to get to the end, and work my way back to the beginning. [07:17] wb ThatGraemeGuy [07:17] I like it , nice hobby to have. Just getting very expensive these days :( [07:17] Gaming as a whole now I mean [07:17] we have all the enemies turned off so we could build in peace [07:18] we built mooi goed [07:18] even pro and fly and their families played [07:20] mazal: I also think it's a cool hobby. I just don't have the patience and/or hand-eye co-ordination for it. [07:20] Kilos: superfly and hsi son Zak is on our new server , they buikding a stunning treehouse [07:20] mazal: and the budget. [07:20] ... I did try steam, now that I have this AlienWare laptop [07:20] haha [07:21] his* building* [07:21] Maaz: Kilos: does everyone build in the same place? or is each user's world separate? [07:21] andrewlsd: If you say so [07:21] And someday I will learn to type and speel , I promise [07:21] spell* lol [07:21] lol [07:21] its a world, so you buiild where you like [07:22] * andrewlsd thinks "buikding" is a cool world [07:22] word. [07:22] andrewlsd: We all build in the same world , that's what makes it fun. You build a world together and visit each other's places [07:22] but closer to others means not so far to go to get power [07:22] was great fun [07:23] Still is [07:23] how do I try it out? [07:23] What OS you on andrewlsd ? [07:23] Mint. am adding PPA now [07:24] Does ubuntu ppa's wotk on mint ? [07:24] work* [07:25] yip [07:25] The use this one: https://launchpad.net/~minetestdevs/+archive/ubuntu/daily-builds [07:25] mint is basically ubuntu, [07:25] mazal: any reason you don't use the stable ppa? [07:25] Way too far behind [07:25] Most of us use the daily [07:26] Then when you open up the minetest app. Choose client tab ( if you want to join on our world) Single player if you want to play alone [07:27] Server adress is mt.thatgraemeguy.co.za port:30000 [07:27] installing minetest now. [07:29] * andrewlsd tries to connect to mt.thatgraemeguy.co.za [07:30] ThatGraemeGuy: may I connect? [07:30] mazal not mt.donaldson [07:31] i have played for so long ive forgotten [07:31] havent [07:39] hi MaNL [07:40] morning [07:46] Kilos: Nope , that is our new server Graeme is hosting. Cryterion and Graeme is the admins [07:47] It's a completely new world we are building up [07:47] aha [07:48] mazal you have the old link there ? let andrewlsd go see that one [07:48] mt.donaldson.net wasnt it [07:49] Old link is in #minetest-za topic I think [07:49] oh ya [07:50] no thats changed to the new one [07:50] mornings [07:50] New one is better oom [07:50] So many new things were added [07:51] Hi ThatGraemeGuy [07:51] ya but the work we did isnt there is it? [07:51] i just wanted andrewlsd to have a look [07:52] New looks good already ;) [07:52] like the ship at the dam and the pyramid etc [07:52] We been working hard [07:52] ThatGraemeGuy should remember the old addy [07:52] Kilos: nobody played there in months [07:52] that server is not running at the moment [07:52] yes ThatGraemeGuy i just wanted andrewlsd to see [07:52] ok [07:52] And the new one will give better idea of all the stuff available these days to craft [07:53] i might start it up sometime, if you want to give a tour [07:53] oh is it just the need to start up [07:54] ill shout when i got data and take andrewlsd around [07:54] ty [07:54] and mod the config, as the new one runs on the same port [07:54] ah [07:54] I have to go work [07:54] ThatGraemeGuy: just checking if I may connect to it? ie, is it "public" or private. [07:54] l8tr guys [07:54] its public [07:55] https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=12166 [07:55] about 2 weeks old at this stage [07:55] thanks ThatGraemeGuy [07:57] np [09:04] totally confuzzled. Gaming is _not_ for me ;-) [09:04] but thank you to ThatGraemeGuy for the assistance. [09:04] lol [09:05] I think I need to trail Kilos for a couple of hours to watch how it is done. [09:05] now I understand why there are youtube channels and other similar online services that let you watch gamers. [09:06] it is hard work, you gotta cut trees and dig stone before you build stuff, it is like being in the veldt with nothing and trying to survive [09:07] but once you have the basics it is kinda fun, we were hooked for months [09:07] I get the logic of it, but don't know "how" to cut trees, etc. I can see the toolbox but don't know how to use the stuff [09:07] ... which is why I'd need to tag along behind someone to learn. === andrewlsd is now known as mciverza [09:08] yeah easier to play with someone [09:08] co-pilot type of ting [09:08] thing [09:08] are you up late at night, i still have night surfer data === mciverza is now known as andrewlsd [09:08] um. I can be. [09:10] * andrewlsd listening to Spiderbait - Black Betty. Getting pumped up [09:10] if we have a night thats not too cold we can stay up, but bed is so inviting in winter [09:10] via poor mans spotify [09:11] Kilos: i'll sit in bed. [09:11] lol [09:11] thats not fair [09:11] * Kilos needs a lappy for winters [09:11] * andrewlsd needs to try to find a way to get Kilos a laptop [09:12] * andrewlsd has a netbook that Kilos could use. only 8", 1024x600 [09:12] can you play minetest on a tablet? [09:12] ooh, yes. [09:12] i have no idea [09:12] that andriod stuff is beyond me [09:12] android [09:13] ... was just thinking that a tablet is easier to use in bed. [09:13] ... (but I don't have one) :P [09:13] they tiny horrible things [09:13] going to go join #minetest-za again [09:14] Kilos: 8" tablet has much bigger/better screen & GPU than my little 8" Aspire1 [09:15] ya and android with finger work [09:15] and no keyboard unless you open it on screen [09:15] they horrible [09:15] my sis has one [09:15] do you use keyboard much for minecraft? [09:16] you can chat tro each other there in the game [09:19] minetest not minecraft [09:20] ya andrewlsd forget minecraft [09:20] oh, sorry [09:20] lol [09:20] yes. mis-type [09:20] or , rather [09:20] mis-thought [09:20] have never used *craft* either..... Which craft? [09:20] hehe. see what I did there? [09:21] lol [09:21] so, so is this test yours or mine? [09:22] so whilst I'm seeing all manner of IRC client info.... [09:22] I'm using hexchat, and have played with kiwiIRC [09:22] ... I see some Quassel clients. [09:23] I use Cinnamon / aka gnome/gtk. Is there a nice client-server type architecture I can use to be connected? or should I just install an IRC bouncer on my VPS? [09:23] most use quassel [09:26] Hey elacheche just noticed you're here too. :-D [09:27] Kilos: quite a crowd here today. [09:27] nono we been in the low 40's [09:27] 49 one meeting nigh [09:27] t [09:32] Hey andrewlsd :) :) :D [09:33] elacheche: :-D [09:34] :) [09:34] andrewlsd you know elacheche is in tunisia? [09:35] maybe you were gone too long, i dont remember what you missed [09:37] /j #ubuntu-africa and see the links in the topic [09:40] Kilos: yip I know elacheche is in Tunisia (and thus expected him in #ubuntu-africa. [09:40] ) [09:40] haha [09:41] :D [09:42] OT: I don't trust docker images. [09:43] Why is that? [09:44] ... is it just me or am I paranoid about importing other peoples binary stuff. [09:44] andrewlsd: Are you mciverza ? [09:44] mazal: yes [09:44] lol [09:44] k [09:44] andrewlsd, it's not a binary :) [09:44] we share the same body Maaz [09:44] mazal: we share the same body [09:45] * mazal haven't had time to pop in there yet today :P === MaNL is now known as MaNI [09:45] andrewlsd, They are created based on docker files.. Ubuntu as an example → https://github.com/tianon/docker-brew-ubuntu-core/blob/43f0305b40bfe5f02cc007027be875256ab2b563/trusty/Dockerfile [09:46] elacheche: yip, it's just that it is possible to slip stuff in if people don't pay attention to the docker file. [09:46] you can 'curl' stuff in from other places in the dockerfile (build instructions) [09:47] and yet it is so easy to do "docker pull some/random-cool-app" [09:47] andrewlsd, if you hit docker search (something) you'll find informations about NAME, DESCRIPTION, STARS, OFFICIAL, AUTOMATED(using dockerfiles) [09:47] without first checking what the docker file will do. [09:47] yeah. I try to use "official" builds [09:47] For my self I use the Ubuntu official build, then I install whatever I want by myself.. [09:48] I just always feel a little uneasy until I've gone and actually checked the dockerfile itself. [09:48] this came up because I was looking for a Quassel docker image. [09:48] (and there are many) [09:48] at the moment, I prefer normal 'LXC' containers. [09:48] I tried to create my own ubuntu container from scratch, I find that it's not a good idea, as docker maintain their images and I don't :D [09:49] "lxc-create -t download -n debian" [09:49] I see [09:49] that's the kind of thing I do, so it tries to fetch the latest trusted platform [09:50] and persistent storage is the default in LXC containers. vs non-persistent storage as the default in docker app containers. [09:51] so for me it's "horses for courses" some things application containers are awesome for, and for other things, I prefer fuller containers. [09:51] * elacheche thinks that you're lucky because you used LXC before the creation of docker.. [09:51] I'm an ops guy, not a dev guy. So that probably plays a role [09:51] o/ Ops here too :D [09:51] I used it only a tiny bit before docker. I normally just use virsh. [09:51] virsh + kvm [09:52] so at the moment I have a small VM running in KVM, which runs LXC. [09:52] one of the containers it runs is a dnsmasq container to offer DHCP to the rest of my VMs or containers on a bridged interface. [09:52] because I don't like to automatically start things. [09:52] I like to be in control [09:53] I find problems understanding the logics behind lxc & docker because I always compare them to kvm :/ And I lost 1 year of docker because I couldn't use it before findingout how to create my own image from scratch x) [09:53] so I killall dnsmasq instances, and then manually launch one to offer DNS and DHCP (with automatic DNS entries) for my VMs. [09:54] elacheche: OpenShift 3 is a PaaS based on IIRC docker. [09:55] Yep.. Then they created they're own docker like thing.. And have no idea if they already migrated to it or not [09:56] Ah! No.. It's not a docker like, it's a project to manager docker → http://www.projectatomic.io/ [10:00] yeah. [10:00] and Kubernetes, and Compose and a bunch of other tools [10:00] it's hard to keep track of where things are going at the moment. [10:01] yep [10:02] https://twitter.com/andrewlsd you removed it xà [10:02] x) [10:03] renamed. [10:03] lsdmacza [10:03] any of you checking out keybase.io? [10:03] brb [10:04] I is back, renamed to twitter handle [10:04] keybase seems to be cool.. Thanks for sharing [10:14] elacheche: I have invites. [10:15] you can DM me if you want. Basically keybase.io is GPG, just trying to make it easier to find public keys in order to send encrypted messages to people [10:16] I see.. I'll take a look at it closer later.. If I need an invite I know where to find you :D [10:16] Thanks lsdmacza :) [10:17] lol [10:17] invite offer applies to anyone else here too [10:20] lsdmacza is that the twet place [10:20] tweet [10:37] yes [10:38] * lsdmacza away for about half hour === ubuntiste-msakni is now known as elacheche [10:45] lsdmacza, as an Ops, what books do you recommend? [10:50] Am I still here?? :D [10:51] ya [10:51] OK.. x) :D [10:51] lol [10:55] Hello... [10:55] Sorry for disappearing like that, had church-stuff to do the last few days. [10:56] hi Mopkop [10:56] soek jy al werk? of nog op skool seun? [10:58] What language is that Kilos o_O [10:58] afrikaans elacheche [10:58] are you looking for work or still at school [11:00] Kilos: Het nog 2½ jaar se studies oor :) [11:00] Ah I see :D [11:01] sjoe nog so lank [11:01] 6 Years of study in total - and that's the minimum [11:01] Dominee studies 12 years. [11:01] *studied [11:02] wow [11:02] i gotta go eat guys [11:03] Lekker eet! [11:18] Anyone like ligatures? [11:19] http://typedetail.com/eb-garamond.html [11:19] Yessss... [11:20] Is that something like this: æ? [11:21] The compose key makes this very easy. [11:23] Mopkop: I just think they're beautiful. [11:24] Beautiful writing has been lost in the digital age. [11:24] Yeah, they're the things that connect two letters in old-style serifs. [11:39] MopKop: are you doing an MA? [11:40] (I only had to do 4 years for my studies) [11:40] mciverza: Sort of. I'm doing a MTh. MA is an academic degree, MTh is professional. [11:40] Yes, like BA vs BTh. [11:41] Yes, I'm also doing 4 years for my normal BTh degree, but you can't become a minister in my Church with only BTh :( [11:41] I did a BA, coz BTh was being deprecated at the time at Stellenbosch et all. [11:41] lol. [11:41] mciverza: Oh, you studied theology? [11:41] I'd be more concerned with "has experienced real life" [11:42] BUT ... am not knocking studies. [11:42] Mopkop: yes. [11:42] at one stage, most of the charismatic churches ministers had zero formal theological training. [11:43] again, not knocking either the churches or the training, just noticing how things change. [11:44] Yes, I have noticed the Charismatic churches are more and more focussing on studies. I'm studying at Unisa and most of my fellow students are Charismatic. [11:45] It's good to have a mixture of backgrounds when studying. helps to broaden the horizons, and allows possibility of creating good relationships with people outside your normal theological circle. [11:45] ... [11:46] OT: am loving being able to see what my kids are watching on TV via my mobile phone. [11:46] hehe [11:46] ... using Kodi/XMBC, and the remote is two-way, so I can control the TV and see what is on. [11:48] Exactly my sentiment! In the past 3½ years I have come into contact with so many different views and value systems. Broad horizons help us not to think in terms of black and white. [11:50] and it's much harder to disregard someone's view if you have actually gotten to know them and realize that they are reasonable, reliable people. [12:37] Bye everyone , have a nice evening , God bless [12:44] cheerio [14:00] * nlsthzn watching the solar impulse 2 making a stop in japan due to bad weather - https://youtu.be/GHa05MxP1YA [15:15] hmm... [15:15] hi Kilos [15:15] hi all [15:15] hi georgelappies [15:16] i just woke up, had a nap [15:16] nlsthzn you still here lad? [15:44] * nlsthzn might be [15:45] on roving baby duty 24/7 *yawn* [15:45] that good man, its hard work but worth it [15:48] our government making travelling with kids such a pita... so much paperwork to go in and out of SA now... I have to go all the way to the embassy tomorrow just to try and figure out all I need :( [15:48] ouch [15:49] you want to come here in winter, you gonna freeze [15:49] nope daughter wants to visit mom and rest of family / friends there [15:49] ah [16:18] Hi [16:19] Maaz: ping [16:19] Squirm: pong [16:19] hi Squirm [17:00] i go eat === smile is now known as Guest14104 === Guest14104 is now known as smile4 [17:32] damn, was at the lion park on Saturday for the feeding session. On the news now a women was killed by one there. She drove with her windows open. === smile4 is now known as smile [17:35] ai! [17:57] georgelappies: ai! [18:00] inetpro is your internet also slow? [18:00] ohi superfly [18:02] ohaio [18:02] Means "good morning" in Japanese. [18:02] hi stickyboy [18:02] * stickyboy just watched a Studio Ghibli film. [18:02] lol [18:03] I've watched 8 in the last week hehehe. [18:03] Still have 7 more or so to go. [18:03] whew [18:05] Kilos: Do you know anything about Somali? [18:05] s/Somali/Somalia/ [18:05] yes man , its a country in africa [18:06] i think someone from there chatted to me the other day [18:06] Kilos: Wow, really? [18:06] rofl [18:06] We gotta penetrate the Horn of Africa. [18:06] Somalia! [18:07] when you guys say we , it means me [18:07] you failed with tsega [18:07] shame on you [18:08] and he is a friend, i have to deal with strangers [18:08] Kilos: To be fair, you don't have a job. :P [18:09] yeah thats why i dont fight with you guys [18:09] The LUG is your job and what do you have to show for it? :P [18:09] but also i dont watch movies all day [18:09] hahahhaah [18:09] I'm trying to get inspired, man! [18:09] lol [18:09] Now I'm listening to rap and pushing all teh code to GitHub, bru. [18:10] lol [18:17] Might be eating some home-made cookies too. [18:20] lol [18:23] Kilos: Do you have a farm? [18:24] nope , i live on my sisters small holding [18:28] Kilos: Small holding means a farm without a tractor or what? [18:29] small [18:29] 2 hectares i think [18:31] In Kenya people kinda get mixed up between Afrikaans and Africans. [18:31] I just laugh inside. :D [18:31] lol [18:32] yeah we have our own language [18:34] Though it's admitadely confusing. :P [18:35] yes it is [18:41] Kilos: Have you heard of Shamir's Secret Sharing? [18:42] nopestick [18:42] ai! [18:42] nope stickyboy [18:42] It's a way to share a secret with a quorum... [18:42] Like 5 people, with 3 needed to open it. [18:43] i dont have secrets [18:55] Kilos: :P [18:55] lol [18:56] Raining cats and dogs here. [18:56] great [18:57] then meat price drops [19:01] night all. sleep tight [19:06] slaapwel :p === MaNL is now known as MaNI === ubuntiste-msakni is now known as elacheche_anis