[00:00] <ochosi> you should have push-rights anyway, not sure why i created a team for that repo now :)
[00:01] <ochosi> interesting feature of github, that it shows the subfolder directly when there's only one
[00:01] <ochosi> never noticed that before
[00:03] <ochosi> bluesabre: you can push the debian packaging to the branch as well, i don't mind
[00:04] <ochosi> but in that case, we might have to push the icons back to a subfolder
[00:04] <bluesabre> ochosi: no, I'll restructure if I need to
[00:04] <bluesabre> er
[00:04] <bluesabre> np*
[00:04] <ochosi> :)
[00:05] <bluesabre> I might get this together tonight even, we'll see ;)
[00:05] <ochosi> awesome!
[00:06] <ochosi> even though it has 1700 icons, you can cut that in half, because 2 sizes
[00:06] <ochosi> that leaves you with about 800 icons, of which only ~150 people really see on a regular basis
[00:06] <ochosi> so it's sort of manageable i think
[00:07] <ochosi> and naturally i'm starting with the most ugly, but also most low-hanging fruit
[00:08] <bluesabre> fair enough
[00:08] <bluesabre> dinner time, bbabl
[00:11] <ochosi> bon appetit
[00:11] <ochosi> i'll head to bed
[00:11] <ochosi> night everyone!
[00:16] <knome> nighty
[00:23] <pleia2> elfy: re: surveys - it's up to you, I kind of lost enthusiasm for the surveys (still need to go through last survey info, and follow up w/ people who said they wanted info about getting involved...) and we've already made some decisions for 15.10 about defaults that I think will make sense
[00:30] <knome> yeah... there are dozens who wanted to be contacted/more information
[00:32] <pleia2> yep
[00:32] <pleia2> should just draft up a generic email and Bcc: it to folks
[00:33] <knome> bah :)
[00:33] <knome> generic emails suck
[00:35] <pleia2> heh
[00:35] <pleia2> indeed
[00:36] <pleia2> but time
[00:36] <knome> sure
[00:36] <knome> but in the end it's not too much
[00:37] <knome> the official part can be the same for everybody
[00:37] <pleia2> mostly just personalize with name then?
[00:37] <knome> maybe, or sth like that
[00:37]  * pleia2 nods
[00:37] <knome> there's a tb extension that does that automagically
[00:38] <pleia2> neat
[00:53] <knome> off to bed
[00:53] <knome> ttyl
[00:53] <knome> and nighty :)
[00:58] <Unit193> ochosi: Elementary had an opinion on core?  Well hey, awesome.
[02:09] <bluesabre> ochosi: with https://github.com/shimmerproject/libreoffice-style-elementary you now have a makefile... a bad makefile, but functional enough
[02:09] <bluesabre> make; make install; make uninstall; make clean
[02:11] <Unit193> PREFIX and DESTDIR?
[03:46] <bluesabre> Unit193: never said it was a good makefile, just flubbed one together :p
[03:47] <bluesabre> and LO seems very particular about icon theme locations
[03:47] <bluesabre> bed time, bbl
[06:12] <elfy> pleia2: works for me - I decided there's no need ...
[06:52] <ochosi> bluesabre: nice that you could hack something together so quickly! works nicely
[06:52] <ochosi> elfy: just fyi, i've commenced work on the LO icon theme for xubuntu, it's already easily/readily testable, but we'll likely get it in a PPA at some point in the near future
[06:53] <ochosi> so in case you wanna take a sneak peek or anything, lemme know
[06:53] <elfy> ochosi: yep - read enough backlog to catch the drift of that :)
[06:53] <ochosi> good good :)
[06:53] <ochosi> just felt since it involves testing i better tell you ;)
[06:54] <Unit193> That makefile will need to be patched by the packager. :P
[06:54] <elfy> heh 
[06:54] <ochosi> Unit193: hehe, sure sure, but for the moment it does its job ;)
[06:58] <elfy> ochosi: and there in LO now 
[06:58] <ochosi> still quite a few icons missing though
[06:58] <ochosi> this was just my first rage against the LO icon mess
[06:59] <elfy> no matter - I can just follow and check for ellipses as things change :p
[06:59] <ochosi> :)
[06:59] <ochosi> partly it's a bit about checking whether there are icons that really look misplaced
[06:59] <ochosi> like orange folder icons or the like
[07:00] <ochosi> so yeah, i think that sort of testing is a perfect match for you!
[07:00] <elfy> ha ha ha 
[07:04] <elfy> ochosi: I guess you were always "Oh god ... icons :(" when the LO/abiword discussion started again :)
[07:05] <ochosi> yeah
[07:05] <ochosi> but then i buckled up and got to work ;)
[07:05] <elfy> :)
[07:34] <ochosi> bbl
[10:26] <ochosi> odd, the libreoffice icons don't work on my old 14.04 install @office
[10:26] <knome> hump
[10:26] <knome> old LO version acting up?
[10:28] <ochosi> could be
[10:28] <ochosi> i have 4.2.8.2
[10:30] <ochosi> hmm, i really wonder whether 4.2 -> 4.4 makes such a difference there
[10:30] <knome> well, if the same stuff works on 4.4...
[10:31] <ochosi> yeah hum, not sure
[10:32] <ochosi> odd thing is, the other icon packs' deb packages look the same as in vivid
[10:32] <knome> :)
[10:33] <ochosi> so no idea what's not working
[10:34] <ochosi> bluesabre: one thing i notice is that the makefile sets the wrong file permissions. the zip shouldn't really have the executable byte set
[10:34] <knome> pebkac? (:
[10:39] <bluesabre> ochosi: update the permissions in the makefile ;)
[10:39] <bluesabre> or, what should the perms be?
[10:40] <ochosi> -rw-r--r--
[10:40] <bluesabre> k
[10:40] <ochosi> i don't think that's really causing the issue though
[10:40] <ochosi> must be something else, no clue what
[10:40] <bluesabre> there's a libreoffice ppa, fwiw
[10:41] <ochosi> yeah, i'm asking the devs and then i'll check
[10:41] <ochosi> chmod 644 i guess
[10:48] <bluesabre> ochosi: fixed
[10:49] <ochosi> yeah, no change, still not showing up
[10:49] <ochosi> guess i could try the PPA to see whether it's really version-related
[10:49] <ochosi> i presume the icons work for yu?
[10:49] <ochosi> you
[10:51] <bluesabre> yes
[10:51] <ochosi> k
[11:08] <ochosi> hm, if anyone else has a chance to test this on 14.04, it would be a "nice to have" to get the theme working there too
[11:21] <bluesabre> I think I've almost got the packaging ready
[11:34] <bluesabre> ochosi: I have some basic packaging working now... I'll drop it into the shimmer daily ppa tonight
[11:34] <ochosi> nice!
[11:35] <ochosi> i'll continue the updating of the icons as i go
[11:35] <ochosi> but it should already be a noticeable improvement
[11:35] <ochosi> if you notice any missing or annoyingly bad icons, just submit an issue on the github tracker
[11:35] <ochosi> (same goes for anyone who uses/tests this)
[11:36] <ochosi> i might even make this public soonish, so that we get more feedback about important missing icons
[11:36] <knome> ochosi, oh, you don't want me to just fix/push? (;
[11:36] <ochosi> hah, well you should do that ofc
[11:36] <knome> nah, i'm just teasing
[11:36] <knome> of course i won't do that!
[11:37] <knome> seriously speaking, i might give a look at LO with what you have done so far at some point
[11:37] <knome> if you create a list of icons you want to revamp, that would be helpful too
[11:38] <ochosi> hmyeah
[11:38] <ochosi> actually with many icons it's hard to know what context they'll appear in
[11:38] <ochosi> that's why i want users to look
[11:38] <knome> sure
[11:38] <ochosi> the whole icon theme dirs are a huge mess
[11:38] <knome> but if you see an icon in context
[11:38] <knome> and think it's crap
[11:39] <ochosi> so it's hard to keep an overview
[11:39] <knome> but don't have the time to fix it...
[11:39] <knome> haha
[11:39] <ochosi> yeah, *if*
[11:39] <ochosi> :)
[11:39] <knome> i'll look for at least the icons i use constantly
[11:39] <knome> even if they aren't crap, i could try to push and make those consistent
[11:39] <ochosi> yup, that's all i want actually
[11:39] <ochosi> replacing all crappy icons would be far too much work
[11:39] <ochosi> i want the ones that matter the most
[11:39] <knome> for us or for regular users :)
[11:40] <ochosi> if/when you do that, please check the resolution of the originals
[11:40] <knome> fwiw, some of this might be useful for huego
[11:40] <ochosi> some have weirdo resolutions like 26x26
[11:40] <knome> for use with inkscape/gimp
[11:40] <ochosi> yeah, there are many icons that would be shared
[11:40] <ochosi> but i'm not even thinking that far yet
[11:40] <knome> sure, no hurry with that
[11:40] <ochosi> (also, i don't use any node-based graphics editing in LO, so don't care)
[11:41] <knome> me neither
[11:41] <knome> then again, i use that in inkscape, so either way...
[11:41] <ochosi> yeah, if you're motivated to work on that, sure thing
[11:41] <knome> well
[11:42] <knome> i'd love to see the new icons
[11:42] <knome> but motivated... likely not enough to just do it
[11:42] <knome> :|
[11:42] <ochosi> the things that could be improved because prominent are things like "bold, underlined, italic" etc
[11:42] <knome> yep
[11:42] <knome> another thing you could write down is the style you are thinking
[11:42] <knome> or some guidelines
[11:42] <ochosi> they don't look totally misplaced though, so not even those are high on my list
[11:42] <ochosi> style is elementary, that's all
[11:42] <ochosi> should work well with that
[11:43] <knome> aha ok
[11:43] <ochosi> for now it's a copy-paste job
[11:43] <ochosi> and even that was enough work
[11:43] <knome> :)
[11:54] <ochosi> bbabl
[11:54] <knome> hf
[13:59] <ochosi> knome: if you feel like working on some real improvements, these would be very much appreciated: http://i.imgur.com/BKFSmzW.png
[14:20] <knome> yep..
[14:21] <GridCube> yes
[14:22] <GridCube> ._. my proffessor cancelled today's class... because his son died on the weekend 
[14:22] <GridCube> .___________.
[14:23] <GridCube> oops i though this was ot
[20:04] <knome> pleia2, ping
[20:58] <knome> http://www.piqo.fr/blog/piqo/10101-xubuntu-piqo-edition-telechargeable-en-pre-alpha.html#.VUeTwfntlBc
[20:58] <knome> ochosi, ^ did you see that already?
[20:59] <knome> ochosi, my first reaction confirmed by lyʒ - "they can't do that"
[21:00] <knome> also, making a blanket statement that xubuntu is "GPL"...
[21:06] <ochosi> knome: right, i didn't even know about the piqo
[21:06] <knome> me neither
[21:06] <knome> well until i bumped into it last week
[21:06] <ochosi> it would have been nice of those folks to get in touch with us, for starters
[21:06] <knome> i can't even remember how
[21:25] <pleia2> knome: pong
[21:26] <knome> pleia2, can you dump sume css to extras.css?
[21:26] <knome> *some
[21:26] <pleia2> sure
[21:26] <knome> oh wait
[21:26] <knome> we have a repository
[21:26] <knome> i'll prepare that
[21:32] <knome> pleia2, lp:xubuntu-website/static-assets is prepared for you
[21:32] <pleia2> :)
[21:32] <pleia2> k
[21:33] <knome> thanks
[21:33] <Unit193> knome: docs.x.o going to have translations?
[21:33] <knome> Unit193, ask pleia2?
[21:34] <Unit193> Aha, newer one does then.
[21:34] <pleia2> yeah, just 15.04
[21:35] <Unit193> http://docs.xubuntu.org/1404/hardware-devices.html#restricted-drivers is that supposed to look like that?
[21:35] <knome> likely not..
[21:36] <pleia2> knome: new extras.css is installed
[21:36]  * knome bows
[21:36] <knome> Unit193, nope, but i can see that's a problem the new dir structure created
[21:36] <knome> it removed the files the old docs were pointing to
[21:36] <knome> (filenames changed at some point)
[21:36] <knome> xubuntu-book.css -> style.css
[21:36] <Unit193> Eh, vivid looks fine and has translations, so I'm good.
[21:36] <pleia2> I can stash them back, just need to remember
[21:37] <knome> pleia2, symlinking what i just said should be fine
[21:37] <knome> in libs/
[21:37] <pleia2> k
[21:38] <pleia2> done
[21:39] <ochosi> btw, a LO 5.0 release is coming up and will land in wily
[21:39] <knome> pleia2, great, it even works
[21:39] <ochosi> just as a notice for something we might have to look out for
[21:39] <ochosi> elfy: ^
[21:39] <knome> ochosi, maybe notice it in some blueprint(s)
[21:40] <ochosi> ok, added to -dev
[21:41] <pleia2> knome: did you add the laptop+desktop drawings to the main site recently?
[21:41] <pleia2> so cute!
[21:41] <ochosi> +1
[21:41] <knome> pleia2, yep
[21:42] <knome> pleia2, planning on adding more of the same style, glad you like it
[21:42] <pleia2> cool
[21:42] <knome> http://temp.knome.fi/xubuntu/web_art/xwa-community.png
[21:42] <pleia2> looks a bit dude-y
[21:43] <knome> i've been thinking to add a gal-ey one on the right
[21:43] <pleia2> :)
[22:14] <drc> oooo...Xubuntu, the distro of choice for Guys and Dolls :)
[22:38] <Unit193> Better than doodie..
[22:40]  * drc looks for the soap....