[02:51] <hudsonkem> kubuntu 15.04 high swap, but I already set swappiness to 10.
[06:04] <sigma_> hi there
[06:05] <sigma_> is anyone here available to help me build a i386 package for the application here - http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php/Kup+Backup+System?content=147465
[06:05] <sigma_> i tried and failed miserably!
[06:08] <sigma_> sorry located here - https://build.opensuse.org/package/show/home:simper:kup/kup-kf5
[06:08] <sigma_> kup-0.6.0.tar.gz is the source file
[06:08] <sigma_> i still dont get why kubuntu doesnt include this as a standard app - its an amazing backup utility
[06:30] <redbul> ciao
[07:48] <lordievader> Good morning.
[07:59] <hudsonkem> anybody there?
[07:59] <lordievader> hudsonkem: See /names ;)
[08:01] <hudsonkem> '-', I'm getting high swap, but I already set swappiness to 10.
[08:01] <hudsonkem> so, any idea?
[08:01] <lordievader> hudsonkem: What is the output of 'free -m'?
[08:01] <lordievader> !paste | hudsonkem
[08:03] <amichair> Hi, I'm in the middle of upgrading 14.10 to 15.04, and at ~75% the distribution upgrade gui window is simply frozen (after minimizing+maximizing the window is blank, so it's hung). How should I proceed?
[08:03] <hudsonkem> https://paste.kde.org/p7zzuo6df
[08:03] <lordievader> amichair: Is apt-get/dpkg still running?
[08:03] <amichair> I saw in htop that cups was taking 100% cpu for quite a while, so killed it, but that didn't help
[08:04] <lordievader> hudsonkem: Heh, that is odd... Could you pastebin the output of 'vmstat 1 5'?
[08:04] <amichair> lordievader: I see a /usr/bin/dpkg process with very long command line
[08:05] <lordievader> amichair: Does it use any resources? (top -p `pidof dpkg`)
[08:06] <amichair> lordievader: looks idle
[08:07] <lordievader> amichair: Hmm, kill the upgrade gui, and dpkg if it still runs after that. Then run 'sudo apt-get install -f'.
[08:07] <amichair> lordievader: although looking at htop I see there's a /tmp/ubuntu-release-upgrader process that's around 2% cpu
[08:07] <lordievader> That is still idle ;)
[08:07] <amichair> lordievader: oh my. great software :-)
[08:08] <hudsonkem> https://paste.kde.org/p3bajnbey
[08:09] <lordievader> hudsonkem: That is quite different output than what I expected...
[08:09] <amichair> lordievader: I killed the gui, and dpkg disappeared
[08:10] <lordievader> hudsonkem: I got something like: https://paste.kde.org/pjr0qu059
[08:10] <lordievader> amichair: Right, good. Run 'sudo apt-get install -f'.
[08:10] <hudsonkem> .-. just vmstat and out 1 and 5 yeah?
[08:10] <amichair> lordievader: apt-get install -f fails with error about dpkg being interrupted
[08:10] <amichair> lordievader: should I run the recommended 'sudo dpkg --configure -a'
[08:10] <lordievader> amichair: Do what it says ;)
[08:11] <lordievader> hudsonkem: 'vmstat 1 5'
[08:12] <hudsonkem> sorry did now about this :D
[08:12] <hudsonkem> https://paste.kde.org/pfkhdzeq3
[08:12] <hudsonkem> I thought "vmstat -as" -.-'
[08:12] <lordievader> hudsonkem: I see no swap usage.
[08:13] <hudsonkem> just a minute, up screenshot
[08:13] <amichair> lordievader: ok, it's running. btw, is this a known issue?
[08:14] <lordievader> amichair: Not to me.
[08:15] <hudsonkem> http://i.imgur.com/2lGyZic.png
[08:16] <lordievader> hudsonkem: The 468Mb swap usage you mean? That ain't strange. If swap is used it is not cleared. It ain't efficient to clear the swap. It is more efficient to leave the data but disregard the pointer.
[08:17] <netrunner_> Hatsukawa
[08:17] <netrunner_> my friend's favorate japanese porn star
[08:18] <lordievader> netrunner_: Please keep this channel family friendly.
[08:18] <hudsonkem> but it make my pc more heavy, when I was using xfce it was working good
[08:19] <lordievader> hudsonkem: In what way does it make you pc more heavy?
[08:19] <lordievader> It was running out of ram, it needed to store a few pages somewhere.
[08:19] <hudsonkem> -.-' many lagg
[08:19] <lordievader> KDE is heavier than XFCE ;)
[08:20] <amichair> lordievader: ok, dpkg is done, now what?
[08:20] <lordievader> amichair: sudo apt-get install -f
[08:20] <amichair> lordievader: nothing to do (only a lot to autoremove)
[08:20] <hudsonkem> yeah, but to activate swap the ram must to be around 1.7-8gb
[08:20] <lordievader> amichair: Okay: sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[08:21] <lordievader> hudsonkem: True.
[08:21] <amichair> lordievader: same result
[08:21] <lordievader> hudsonkem: Keep vmstat running (vmstat 1) and check if swap is actively being used.
[08:22] <lordievader> amichair: Hmmm. How do your sources look like?
[08:22] <hudsonkem> okay, thx for help
[08:22] <amichair> lordievader: if I do apt-get upadte it shows vivid, is that what you meant?
[08:23] <hudsonkem> about xrender, I got same window tearing, ideas? :)
[08:23] <lordievader> hudsonkem: Enable vsync?
[08:23] <lordievader> amichair: Err, somewhat. Actually I'd like to see /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:23] <hudsonkem> yep but nothing happen
[08:25] <amichair> lordievader: http://paste.ubuntu.com/11515765/
[08:25] <lordievader> hudsonkem: Hmm, what videocard and driver are you using?
[08:25] <amichair> lordievader: but nowadays there are lots of sources.list.d too no?
[08:26] <lordievader> amichair: That looks good. The sources.list.d things should be disabled. "sudo apt-get update&&sudo apt-get dist-upgrade"
[08:28] <amichair> lordievader: only *.list in that dir are considered? if so, they are indeed disabled. lots of other backup files in the dir too though.
[08:28] <hudsonkem> intel i915, no driver.
[08:28] <lordievader> hudsonkem: No driver? Wut... What is the output of 'lspci -k|grep -A2 VGA'?
[08:28] <amichair> lordievader: update & dist-upgrade same as before - nothing to do, only a bunch to autoremove
[08:29] <lordievader> amichair: Yes, but the first thing do-release-upgrade does is disable ppa's.
[08:29] <lordievader> amichair: Is plasma-dekstop installed?
[08:29] <amichair> apt-cache policy plasma-desktop says Installed: 4:5.2.2-0ubuntu4
[08:30] <lordievader> amichair: I guess you are all set then ;)
[08:30] <hudsonkem> https://paste.kde.org/pmsjhywez
[08:30] <amichair> lordievader: pray and reboot?
[08:31] <lordievader> amichair: Precisely :P
[08:31] <hudsonkem> hahah
[08:31] <amichair> lordievader: ok, thanks for ur help. if you don't hear from me soon, it didn't work :-)
[08:31] <lordievader> I hope I do hear from you ;)
[08:34] <hudsonkem> with xubuntu 15.04 +xfwm I got tearing, after, installed compton and solved that, without drivers. but I would like to solve that with kwin_x11
[08:35] <amichair> lordievader: I didn't even make it as far as the restart dialog. if I select restart from k-menu, the screen fades out, but no dialog appears
[08:35] <hudsonkem> and I don't like compiz
[08:35] <amichair> actually I'll try waiting 30 secs
[08:35] <lordievader> amichair: sudo reboot?
[08:35] <hudsonkem> amichair try, go to tty and press ctrl+alt+del
[08:36] <lordievader> hudsonkem: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Intel_graphics#Tear-free_video
[08:37] <amichair> lordievader: well waiting didn't work. sudo reboot kills kde (session etc.) vilently, no? is there any way to do a graceful shutdown?
[08:37] <lordievader> Meh, it is a bit crude. But it does the job.
[08:38] <amichair> lordievader: ok then, here it goes.
[08:40] <hudsonkem> lordievander I tried something like that but it a little different, let me see if this work here :D
[08:42] <hudsonkem> lordievander I dont have graphic driver installed, but yeah!, 01.org not realized yet
[08:42] <amichair> lordievader: well my desktop and all settings/widgets are gone, but at least I'm back here. I suppose plasma 5 resets everything?
[08:43] <lordievader> amichair: Thought so. Never done an upgrade from Plasma4 to Plasma5. Or at least not in its current state.
[08:44] <amichair> lordievader: I've been doing upgrades since dapper. sometimes big things break, sometimes little things break.
[08:48] <amichair> lordievader: adding back ppas, it says kubuntu-ppa not found, does that still exist?
[08:48] <hudsonkem> amichair why not made clear install of 15.04 and upgrade plama? its more security
[08:48] <lordievader> Perhaps not for vivid. There is a backports ppa, if that is what you mean.
[08:48] <lordievader> The backports has Plasma 5.3.1.
[08:48] <hudsonkem> yep
[08:48] <amichair> lordievader: I had both ppas, backports seems ok, kubuntu-ppa says not found
[08:49] <amichair> hudsonkem: there's too much configuration to do, running servers etc.
[08:49] <amichair> maybe for the next LTS I'll do a clean install. I've got time to think about it :-)
[08:49] <hudsonkem> :O. u're on server.
[08:50] <amichair> hudsonkem: it's both
[08:50] <hudsonkem> rebooting here, I will be back :3
[08:50] <hudsonkem> amichair got it
[08:50] <lordievader> amichair: KDE on a server? Blegh.
[08:51] <hudsonkem> lordievader as I thought '-'
[08:51] <amichair> lordievader: nono, it's just web/mail/etc servers running on a desktop :-)
[08:53] <amichair> are the Windows theme designers moonlighting for KDE now?
[08:54] <amichair> even taking it a step futher, with 1-bit color icons
[08:54] <amichair> color depth, that is
[08:59] <hudsonkem> '-' yeah, just when intel graphics driver 1.0.9 realise, tried something but plasma not start more.
[09:01] <amichair> well, there's the first plasma crash, in less than 20 minutes.
[09:01] <amichair> let's try 5.3.1 on for size...
[09:29] <amichair> after the upgrade, a driver manager notification pops up with a checkbox for  intel processor microcode (proprietary). Should I select it? (never saw this in previous versions)
[09:30] <lordievader> Err, you might want to read more about it.
[09:30] <lordievader> !info intel-microcode
[09:32] <amichair> lordievader: how would I know if I should enable it or not? Any way to tell what's in it?
[09:32] <lordievader> amichair: apt-cache show intel-microcode
[09:33] <amichair> lordievader: any reason one should not enable it?
[09:33] <lordievader> Can't really think of any.
[09:34] <amichair> done.
[09:34] <amichair> the notification icon doesn't seem to disappear though
[09:37] <__dan__> i enabled it, along with nvidia proprietary drivers, haven't seen the notification since - you'll almost certainly need to reboot for it to take effect tho
[09:38] <amichair> any idea why the battery icon is red and blink-zooms every few seconds? (I'm on a desktop)
[09:39] <amichair> and how do I close the instant messaging icon?
[09:40] <amichair> I see missing pidgin icon is still not fixed
[09:40] <amichair> clock date still unusable
[09:41] <amichair> taskbar can't be manually reordered
[09:41] <amichair> is there any estimate on when plasma 5 will get back the plasma 4 functionality? 5.4.0 maybe?
[09:42] <__dan__> no idea on the battery, instant messenger you should be able to right click and remove that way (may have to unlock widgets first), some taskbar icons don't appear anymore because those apps use a taskbar API from the 60's (i've had this happen with dropbox) i have a workaround if you're interested
[09:43] <amichair> __dan__:  yeah there was some replacement tray applet for those... do u remember what it's called?
[09:43] <__dan__> wmsystemtray
[09:44] <amichair> man that's ugly
[09:45] <__dan__> some apps need to be updated for tne new millennium unfortunately
[09:46] <__dan__> personally I've only seen this happen with dropbox so far
[09:46] <__dan__> in the meantime, wmsystemtray does accept some parameters you may be able to tweak it more to your tastes
[09:47] <__dan__> but yeah, lipstick on a pig
[09:48] <__dan__> wmsystemtray --non-wmaker --bgcolor white
[09:48] <__dan__> put it where you want and tell KWin not to draw the window decorations, a reasonable starter for 10
[09:52] <__dan__> taskbar can be manually reordered, right click on taskbar, "Task Manager Settings", under "Grouping and Sorting" set Sorting to Manually
[09:57] <lordievader> amichair: Your battery indicator seems like a bug.
[09:58] <amichair> __dan__: thanks
[09:58] <__dan__> amichair: yw :)
[09:58] <amichair> any way to make the clock date readable? it's 3px or so
[09:59] <amichair> I understand iso-formatted date functionality has been removed
[10:00] <__dan__> amichair: either increase the vertical width of the taskbar, or right click, "Digital Clock Settings" and turn the date off
[10:26] <amichair> __dan__: I'd like to see the date, but how can I enlarge it?
[10:29] <amichair> also, is there a way to remove the underline on each task button on the panel?
[10:30] <__dan__> amichair: increase the size of the taskbar
[10:30] <__dan__> amichair: no idea on the underline
[10:31] <amichair> __dan__: increasing the taskbar height to a point where the clock is readable makes all other icons ridiculously large...
[10:34] <__dan__> amichair: other than playing with the settings available I'm not sure what else to suggest, maybe set taskbar to two rows etc
[10:34] <amichair> btw any idea how to restore the original height?
[10:35] <yossarianuk> I recently tried out Gnome 3.6 (Fedora)
[10:35] <yossarianuk> I can safely say KDE is so far ahead its untrue.
[10:35] <__dan__> amichair: same way you changed it in the first place
[10:35] <s_20> yossarianuk: to be fair, so is gnome (3.16)
[10:36] <amichair> __dan__: but I don't know what the original size was, or what the size is as I'm dragging
[10:36] <amichair> is it possible to restore the default?
[10:37] <__dan__> not sure tbh
[10:45] <canis_> Are KDE guys and GNOME guys rivals?
[10:45] <s_20> uuuh.. i suppose not really
[10:46] <canis_> So is there anyone who has worked for both KDE and GNOME?
[10:47] <Roland__> yes?
[10:48] <Roland__> canis_: sorry, worked with.. not worked for :P
[10:48] <canis_> Roland__: Yeah I meant with
[10:49] <s_20> it certanily felt different though a few years back
[10:49] <canis_> s_20: what are you referring to?
[10:50] <Roland__> it seems to me that GNOME is for first time users, KDE is more a poweruser thing
[10:50] <s_20> canis_: well, gnome users making fun of kde users and vice versa
[10:51] <lordievader> canis_: Dbus is a Gnome thing that is heavily used in KDE.
[10:51] <s_20> lordievader: once again, didn't use to be that way
[10:51] <s_20> remember dcop?
[10:51] <lordievader> Nope.
[10:52] <s_20> so it seems like there's more of a spirit of cooperation between *nix desktop environments
[10:52] <s_20> "Desktop COmmunication Protocol (DCOP) was an inter-process communication (IPC) daemon by KDE used in K Desktop Environment 3. "
[10:52] <canis_> I never knew that GNOME guys made fun of KDE guys
[10:52] <s_20> essentially what kde used for exactly that purpose before they switched to dbus
[10:53] <lordievader> Ah, I see. Anyways, dbus is quite nice.
[10:53] <s_20> canis_: it's been a few years, it was like vim vs. emacs
[10:53] <s_20> maybe not quite as bad, but still
[10:53] <Roland__> most gnome apps work nicely on KDE and KDE apps on gnome, so there's not really much of a competition, everybody can use whichever Desktop Environment they want... GNOME / KDE / or LXDE (for slower computers)
[10:54] <Roland__> they can even be set up on the same computer, so you could switch and work with any of those
[10:54] <s_20> Roland__: well, now - but sometimes you still hear people moaning like "ugh, i have to install *all* these packages and run *all* these services to run $random_kde_app"
[10:54] <s_20> but yah, it's better than it ever was before, no sarcasm there
[10:55] <Roland__> there are always people, who aren't happy with the work other people have done... for free
[10:55] <s_20> certainly
[10:55] <s_20> for the most part, i'm a happy camper
[10:56] <s_20> been using kde for about 10 years now
[10:56] <Roland__> I've been using it at work for 7+ years
[11:34] <rharish> is this channel logged ? if not can anyone pass me last night's logs ?
[11:35] <lordievader> rharish: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2015/06/01/%23kubuntu.html
[11:36] <rharish> lordievader: thanks :)
[11:38] <lordievader> ;)
[12:06] <ejay> hi, did any of you noticed that, when opening multiple windows of same application, little triangle that indicates that multiple windows are open is out of place? http://imgur.com/kP1T5jM breeze theme, kubuntu 15.04
[12:10] <ejay> this bug is rare tho
[12:22] <BluesKaj> Hey all
[13:05] <amichair> is there a plasma 5 panel widget that can show a folder as a simple list, like there was in plasma 4?
[13:07] <soee> amichair: what about Folder View widget ?
[13:07] <amichair> soee: I can't get it to show a list, is it possible?
[13:08] <amichair> soee: i.e. it's a window filled with rows and columns of icons, not a simple list with one line per file. unusable as it is.
[13:08] <amichair> I'm not sure if in plasma 4 it was folder view or quick view or something like that
[13:08] <amichair> but I used it all the time
[13:08] <soee> amichair: i dont think so
[13:09] <amichair> man it's frustrating, so much funcionality gone in plasma 5.
[13:10] <amichair> and in 5.3.1 too, not 5.0.0
[13:11] <amichair> how about a resource load viewer that can show individual core utilization, like the System Load Viewer did in plasma 4?
[13:59] <amichair> does anyone know if there's a way to remove those wierd underlines from all panel taskbar buttons?
[14:07] <yossarianuk> amichair: change plasma theme perhaps ?
[14:08] <amichair> sounds like overkill... I'm hoping there's a setting somewhere for it
[15:18] <nfk|laptop> does anyone know how to access wm console from plasma2?
[15:21] <ds_> guys ... i turned my laptop on today and there are like 30% Icons missing in the menu (example: http://i.imgur.com/wfLFJqL.png) ... when i switch to oxygen icons in settings everything is fine, with breeze or breeze dark icons, it looks like in the picture)
[15:21] <ds_> i would like to have my breeze icons back, any suggestions?
[15:23] <BluesKaj> yeah ihave problems with breeze too, so I use oxygen instead, but I think there is a bug filed, ds_
[15:25] <BluesKaj> breeze dark desktop theme doesn't work at all here
[15:28] <nfk|laptop> i'm fine with breeze dark so far
[15:28] <nfk|laptop> though it is missing some icons but not 30%
[15:31] <ds_> nfk|laptop: i was fine with it too, it just changed today after login. Did nothing special last time using this laptop. I hope watching netflix and surfing a little bit dont make my icons go away :P
[16:23] <WhiteEyeDoll> afk
[16:24] <WhiteEyeDoll> unafk
[16:32] <gr00v3r> On Kubuntu 15.04 i386 with full disk LVM and Home encryption it asks disk password 3 times. 1 for crypt sd5 and twice for swap. It is known behavior?
[16:34] <gr00v3r> The disk was completely wiped off and slow formated. It was a clean install
[16:35] <Bronze> gr00v3r; what are you really asking?
[16:36] <Bronze> gr00v3r: Are you asking if that set of password prompts is the way that is supposed to work ?
[16:37] <gr00v3r> Bronze: I newbie to Kubuntu, should I file a bug or  this is the way it is supposed to work?
[16:37] <Bronze> gr00v3r: Are you asking if that set of password prompts is the way that is supposed to work ?
[16:37] <gr00v3r> Bronze: exactly
[16:38] <Bronze> I personally have no idea. But I do want to suggest asking question directed specifically at the issue you are having. don't be indirect.   The way you asked, originally, it couldbe a bug, or it could be proper operatiion and people could answer yes either way.
[16:39] <gr00v3r> Bronze: OK
[16:48] <mozafar> hi, suspend-to-ram not work in my kubunu (latest version). After resuming, all things just hangs. Machine is Lenovo Z510.
[16:49] <mozafar> It did worked on kde 4.
[16:54] <hudsonkem> is it a good idea install zram-config in kubuntu 15.04?
[17:25] <hudsonkem> once again:: is it a good idea install zram-config in kubuntu 15.04?
[17:28] <lordievader> !info zram-config
[17:28] <lordievader> !info zram
[17:28] <lordievader> hudsonkem: Do you need it?
[17:30] <hudsonkem> dont know
[17:31] <lordievader> I take that as a no ;)
[17:31] <hudsonkem> now I really dont think so
[17:31] <hudsonkem> because im using systemd so .. :)
[17:31] <hudsonkem> thx man
[17:32] <hudsonkem> lordievader thx for tearing help I fixed that
[17:33] <lordievader> hudsonkem: How?
[17:38] <hudsonkem> well just create a folder "/etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/"
[17:40] <hudsonkem> and create a file named "20-intel.conf". echo>>https://paste.kde.org/pjzqu0vap
[17:40] <hudsonkem> so just reboot and works is a bird
[17:41] <lordievader> Right, thanks :)
[17:41] <hudsonkem> as*
[17:41] <lordievader> hudsonkem: Logout -> login should have done the trick too ;)
[17:41] <hudsonkem> yeah! but I really like reboot :P
[17:45] <lordievader> ...
[17:59] <hudsonkem> yeah! without zram-config, my swap is better
[18:00] <hudsonkem> lordievader any alternatives to zram-config?
[18:01] <lordievader> Err, no idea? Buying more ram?
[18:01] <hudsonkem> '-' hahah, thats a good joke
[18:02] <hudsonkem> hold me one the dollar :P
[18:04] <hudsonkem> reading here>> a zram feature is already in the kernel
[18:04] <hudsonkem> so dont need anymore :)
[19:15] <NeuhNeuh> Hello :)
[19:21] <BluesKaj_> hey NeuhNeuh
[19:22] <zamazan4ik> hi
[19:22] <BluesKaj_> hi zamazan4ik
[19:22] <zamazan4ik> who can tell me about stability of plasma 5.2?
[19:24] <zamazan4ik> because i want to install kubuntu 15.04 on my work machine, but i am afraid of bugs
[19:24] <BluesKaj_> it's under still under development, so not as stable as expected on an official release, but it's working quite well for me
[19:24] <Etriaph> zamazan4ik: Do you have a spare drive to test the hardware with an install?
[19:24] <zamazan4ik> and i don't want to see a plasma's crash reports every hour
[19:25] <BluesKaj_> zamazan4ik:  not recommended for a work machine yet IMO
[19:25] <Etriaph> Plasma hasn't crashed on me for about 2.5 months.
[19:25] <zamazan4ik> no, i have not any drives to test
[19:26] <zamazan4ik> i want to upgrade because now i use a kubuntu 14.04
[19:26] <BluesKaj_> plasma doesn't crash , but the kde 4 apps that run on it sometimes do
[19:27] <zamazan4ik> and my laptop(asus k55) with touchpad, of course. and 14.04 have some troubles with touchpades
[19:29] <zamazan4ik> thanks :)
[19:29] <zamazan4ik> and maybe you know
[19:30] <zamazan4ik> when can we upgrade to plasma 5.3? and when can we upgrade to linux-kernel 4.0.0 ?
[20:33] <eXistenZe> Hey guys
[20:33] <eXistenZe> Good evening
[20:43] <rharish> Etriaph: hey
[20:43] <Etriaph> rharish: Hi.
[20:43] <rharish> I was rhn yesterday
[20:43] <Etriaph> Ah, how's it going?
[20:44] <rharish> yeah, so all fine now. I didn't have to use the backports ppa afterall
[20:44] <rharish> from what I understand, the daily ppa, for kubuntu-ci gives 5.2 with editions before 15.04 and 5.3 on 15.04 onwards
[20:45] <rharish> so right now, daily ppa + 15.04 = 5.3 :)
[20:49] <Etriaph> rharish: Now to write some code! :D
[20:49] <rharish> yup, finally :)
[20:49] <rharish> Etriaph: thanks for your time and help though
[20:51] <Etriaph> Hey no problem.
[20:52] <eXistenZe> any kvm user here?
[22:13] <mparillo> I am not a kvm user (VMware Player for me), but there is a virtualization forum at: http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=308
[23:18] <JR2573> Hi, I just installed Kubuntu, and was wondering how I can change the settings in Dolphin to display device sizes in decimals (19.2 GB) instead of commas (19,2 GB)?