[01:07] <zombienerd> Good evening folks (or whatever greeting is appropriate for your time zone)
[01:30] <zombienerd> Anybody awake?
[02:58] <bbxtr> Hola Hombres
[03:40] <bbxtr> Anyone using the UT as a daily driver on Nexus 5? How's the battery life?
[03:50] <zombienerd> I'm on Nexus 4, battery life is excellent.  Can't speak to the N5
[07:00] <dholbach> good morning
[07:03] <seb128> hey dholbach
[07:04] <dholbach> salut seb128
[07:35] <AmiSing> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Ubuntu-Linux-Phone-BQ-Aquaris-E4-5-Ubuntu-Edition-/321769682517 £125.00
[07:35] <AmiSing> leaves.
[07:43] <sturmflut2> The sheer existance of bug 1460945 is already just awesome
[08:14] <mcphail> Must agree. That bug report is brilliant
[08:20] <mcphail> Does anyone else find occasions where a small flick to scroll the browser is translated into a fast scroll to top/bottom of page? Am I accidently triggering a gesture or is there a bug in the sensor/flicking code? On krillin/rtm
[08:59] <sturmflut2> Apparently Meizu made an announcement two hours ago, http://c.youku.com/meizu0602, does anybody know what it's about? Google Translate output is more than confusing :/
[09:01] <sturmflut2> It's just a new Android device, isn't it
[09:01] <popey> its probably their m2 note
[09:01] <ogra_> uh, pink
[09:03] <sturmflut2> Oooh, they're working on desktop mode for the web browser app
[09:03] <sturmflut2> Such convergence
[09:08] <sturmflut2> bq announced the E5: https://twitter.com/bqreaders/status/605661883937497088
[09:08] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Leave the Office Earlier Day! 😃
[09:09] <popey> tempted
[09:09]  * popey leaves the office
[09:09] <sturmflut2> ...that escalated quickly
[09:10] <sturmflut2> JamesTait: I'm happy you didn't go with "Rocky Road Day", they don't sell Rocky Road over here
[09:11] <k1l_> hihi, popey
[09:12] <JamesTait> sturmflut2, I don't consider it a coincidence that the two are on the same day. 😉
[09:13] <sturmflut2> JamesTait: Noooo, that would sound like a conspiracy theory, and there is no such thing as a conspiracy
[09:13] <sturmflut2> ...except for the fact that Elvis is still alive on that secret island
[09:15] <popey> Uh-huh-huh
[09:15] <popey> awww, the popey elvis pic is gone from 10:08 < JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Leave the Office Earlier Day! �
[09:15] <popey> er
[09:15] <popey> mispaste
[09:16] <popey> awww, the popey elvis pic is gone from http://blamepopey.com/  (is what I meant to say)
[09:18]  * JamesTait wonders why his morning greeting was on popey's clipboard.
[09:18] <popey> me too!
[09:23]  * sturmflut2 hopes that we will get something like Syncthing on the phone
[09:24] <sturmflut2> But I don't see how that would work with the current App Lifecycle
[09:29]  * mcphail wishes we had Ubuntu One on the phone. Killing that was a major mistake
[09:29] <popey> syncthing works on the phone
[09:29] <lotuspsychje> http://news.softpedia.com/news/BQ-Aquaris-E5-HD-Ubuntu-Edition-Official-Announced-483034.shtml
[09:29] <popey> it could sync only in foreground
[09:30] <popey> would you really want your battery killed by syncthing constantly polling for changes?
[09:31] <popey> syncthing as a plugin for the file manager might be interesting
[09:32] <popey> so it only syncs while you have file manager open
[09:38] <mcphail> When Ubuntu One was killed, there was a promise it was going to be open-sourced and released. Did that ever happen? It would be a great addition to the phone
[09:39] <popey> mcphail: no, not yet. Ping beuno
[09:39] <popey> it's on his to-do list somewhere
[09:39] <lotuspsychje> i dont like things in the cloud too much
[09:40] <lotuspsychje> you never know whats happening with your data out there
[09:40] <ogra_> lotuspsychje, if you control the cloud yourself ?
[09:40] <lotuspsychje> ogra_: 24/7 things always hold a security risk
[09:41]  * ogra_ plans to actually have a lot of apps in the store in the future where you can use a one-click-install snappy cloud service for your phone app ... 
[09:41] <mcphail> popey: it is good to know it hasn't been (completely) forgotten
[09:41] <popey> This is why I like Syncthing so much
[09:42] <popey> free software, and control over which machines sync to which
[09:42] <popey> and no cloud needed
[09:42] <lotuspsychje> popey: yeah local sync is nice
[09:44] <dadexix86> are there plans somewhere for an app that allows us to remotely control the music player on an Ubuntu machine?
[09:45] <mcphail> popey: haven't used it. Does it have shell integration on the desktop, so you can right-click a folder and selct to share. That was U1's best feature
[09:45] <popey> not yet
[09:45] <popey> well, maybe
[09:45] <popey> I just run it as a daemon and it has a web ui to control it
[09:45] <ogra_> dadexix86, depends on the music player you use ... there is a vlc remote and a kodi remote already
[09:45] <popey> i think there's an indicator for it too
[09:47] <dadexix86> ogra_, the default one, which is rhythmbox since some releases. never heard of kodi, is it in the repo?
[09:50] <popey> kodi == xbmc
[09:51] <davidcalle> ogra_, hello, by any chance do you know who owns (or where code lives for) the new special developer image? I'm trying to list what's special with it.
[09:54] <popey> it has "Ogras Inside" (*Intel Tune*)
[10:02] <davidcalle> popey, I can already see the logo, spinning at boot
[10:04] <popey> https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-q__Dh_47Efc/AAAAAAAAAAI/AAAAAAAAApw/5pv_-vwA0Kc/s120-c/photo.jpg
[10:04] <popey> make it so!
[10:05] <davidcalle> :)
[10:10] <ogra_> davidcalle, no, i didnt know there is such an image
[10:10] <ogra_> is that mzanetti's baby perhaps ?
[10:11] <mzanetti> ?
[10:12] <ogra_> mzanetti, a "new special developer image"
[10:12]  * ogra_ never heard of that
[10:12] <mzanetti> me neither :D
[10:13] <ogra_> heh
[10:13] <davidcalle> Heh, it has been recently documented at https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/start/ubuntu-for-devices/image-channels/ (ubuntu-touch/*/ubuntu-developer)
[10:13] <mzanetti> ogra_, I went with a "special developer app store" instead
[10:13] <ogra_> mzanetti, i know, i thought you might have an image with it included or some such
[10:14] <davidcalle> As far as I can see, it ships with Cordova mobile spec webapp, logviewer, terrarium (qml live prototyper), and the UI toolkit gallery, that's nice :)
[10:14] <ogra_> davidcalle, hmm, i dont think there is this "developer-oriented custom tarball" yet
[10:15] <ogra_> not sure whose idea that is/was
[10:15] <davidcalle> ogra_, I'm running it :)
[10:15] <ogra_> sil2100, ^^^ any idea ?
[10:15] <sil2100> There is one ;)
[10:16] <sil2100> john-mcaleely: is the maintainer of it, at least he's the one usually taking care of it
[10:16] <sil2100> I myself don't really know what's in that custom, but I've been told it has some goodies from the store pre-installed for developers - an we have teh channels
[10:17] <davidcalle> Yeah, I've asked him, he knows about it and knows it ships some dev oriented apps, but I'm still looking for a full list of changes
[10:17] <sil2100> hm, a list like that would be nice indeed
[10:17] <sil2100> Let me check where it pulls the tarballs from
[10:17] <ogra_> well, find whoever creates that tarball then :)
[10:18] <mzanetti> ogra_, I haven't. But I'm in discussion with this guy to set that up at some point: http://ubports.com/
[10:18] <sil2100> uuuh
[10:19] <john-mcaleely> davidcalle, so, the delta list is maintained by AlexKaluzhny. I don't think he's on this channel often
[10:19] <davidcalle> john-mcaleely, thanks!
[10:19] <sil2100> john-mcaleely: I think we'll have to do some corrections with this channel
[10:20] <john-mcaleely> oh yes?
[10:20] <john-mcaleely> and have you published the vegeta build of it yet?
[10:21] <sil2100> john-mcaleely: hm, oh, need to check if I did that or not indeed
[10:21] <sil2100> Anyway, we're missing the rc-proposed/ubuntu-developer channel
[10:21] <sil2100> But actually, I wonder
[10:22] <sil2100> The ubuntu-developer has a strange setting, did you have any specific requirements for this channel?
[10:22] <john-mcaleely> well, did we ever have 14.09-ubunut-developer?
[10:22] <john-mcaleely> I think it was 'born' at rc level (which might be a bug)
[10:22] <Genera_> hello together
[10:22] <john-mcaleely> the 'special' requirement is that it is almost the same as the bq-aquaris stable/rc channels
[10:23] <john-mcaleely> just a differeent custom, which cwayne ensures is only slightly different
[10:23] <john-mcaleely> so, I don't think it is really special sil2100
[10:23] <john-mcaleely> and it might be 'nice' or 'clearer' if there was an rc-proposed version
[10:23] <john-mcaleely> sil2100, ^
[10:24] <Genera_> is there already something known about a little fix for music apps so they dont stop if the phone gets locked or appswitch?
[10:25] <popey> davidcalle: I propose this as our new loading image http://people.canonical.com/~alan/ogra_loading.gif
[10:26] <ogra_> LOL !
[10:26] <popey> :)
[10:26] <Genera_> Pls dont
[10:26] <popey> heh
[10:27] <popey> Genera_: if the apps use media-hub they should work
[10:27]  * lotuspsychje hides behind a stone
[10:27] <Genera_> Im a bit sad about the fact that the touch isnt a full unity gui
[10:28] <van> hello everyboy, i just bought the aquaris E4.5 and I hve some problem with it :(
[10:28] <lotuspsychje> Genera_: what are you missing
[10:28] <Genera_> well than cutespotify doesnt do that
[10:28] <ogra_> thats a bug +
[10:28] <popey> Genera_: cutespotify is known
[10:28] <popey> poke Elleo :)
[10:28] <van> Do you know how to send sms to group of contact?
[10:29] <Genera_> i am used to write my programms once and just use the unity form factors to scale to devices
[10:30] <davidcalle> popey, :D
[10:30] <van> I search on Internet and I cn't find any soluce to send messages to a group of contact
[10:31] <Genera_> have to continue work bb
[10:46] <sil2100> john-mcaleely: I'll think about it, as currently it's implemented as an automatic channel that fetches the rootfs and device from rc/bq-aquaris.en and appends its own custom... I think we should have everything streamlined and make it a manual channel as all the rest and have an rc-proposed one that's automatic (as with all the rest)
[10:46] <john-mcaleely> sil2100, sure. how it's constructed is mostly an impact to you!
[10:47] <ogra_> sil2100, if you have a manual channel it means someone needs to QA it
[10:48] <ogra_> (since onl custom is replaced i'd just go with an automated one and document that parts fo custom might potentially be broken due to no QA)
[10:48] <sil2100> ogra_: right now it's anyway wrong
[10:48] <sil2100> ogra_: since rc is auto-generated while rc should always be a manual channel that passes QA
[10:49] <sil2100> So at least now it will be consistent ;)
[10:51] <van> is there somebody who know about sending sms to contact group in utouch?
[10:53] <mcphail> van: do you mean send the same SMS to multiple contacts at one time, or something cleverer than that?
[10:54] <popey> indeed, you can specify multiple contacts
[10:54] <popey> just type the first, tap on it, type the next, tap on it etc
[10:55] <popey> or press the head and shoulders in the top right, select a contact, press again, select contact etc
[10:55] <van> cleverer, I would like to send messages to fixed group like if I want to send a message to party-friend I just have to create a group named party-friend
[10:55] <popey> ok. i dont think we support that yet
[10:56] <popey> you may want to file a bug to track that issue
[10:56] <ogra_> i guess that would be a contacts app feature
[10:56] <popey> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/messaging-app/+filebug?no_redirect
[10:56] <popey> hmm
[10:56] <popey> i guess both
[10:59] <van> and do you know a good tuto to learn programming with QT adapt to ubuntu touch
[10:59] <van> ?
[11:00] <popey> http://developer.ubuntu.com/ is our main site for documentation
[11:00] <van> Because I would like to help improving apps and I already know some programming languages
[11:00] <popey> let us know if there's something missing
[11:00] <popey> we have a channel for developers - #ubuntu-app-devel
[11:09] <beuno> mcphail, am working on it currently
[11:13] <mcphail> beuno: U1? Excellent!
[11:23] <chrisccoulson> Kaleo, you around?
[11:57] <czajkowski> Greetings
[11:57] <popey> o/
[11:57] <ogra_> yo
[11:58] <popey> czajkowski: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/1245878
[11:58] <czajkowski> popey: so another thing that may have come up but when you  connect when roaming you see R
[11:58] <czajkowski> which is normal on the little triang;e , but when you connect to data a E pops up
[11:58] <popey> uh-huh
[11:58] <czajkowski> why E - all that means to me is Edge
[11:58] <popey> yes, it is
[11:59] <popey> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enhanced_Data_Rates_for_GSM_Evolution = edge
[11:59] <czajkowski> ogra_: spinning head of you at 3am is an odd way to wake up
[11:59] <popey> hah
[11:59] <ogra_> LOL
[11:59] <ogra_> czajkowski, so you are in the US ?
[11:59] <czajkowski> popey: ah ok, just dont see the E on my android
[12:00] <czajkowski> ogra_: aye
[12:00] <ogra_> there edge or 2G is the only stuff you can get with that phone
[12:00] <czajkowski> for 11 days and using my ubuntu phone mostly over here for most things except work
[12:00] <ogra_> (frequency limitation)
[12:00] <czajkowski> ack
[12:00] <popey> your android phone probably shows H ?
[12:01] <popey> actually, Android L doesn't show letters IIRC
[12:01] <popey> just a bar thing
[12:01] <czajkowski> ogra_: biggest pita this trip is https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/1245878
[12:01] <czajkowski> as I've to connect to many wifi networks
[12:01] <czajkowski> popey: aye
[12:02] <ogra_> ouch, yeah, thats bad
[12:02] <popey> yeah, annoys me too in pubs here
[12:02] <ogra_> long standing bug we miss UI for
[12:02] <popey> pmcgowan: ^ that bug is annoying, been annoying for years on the desktop, more problematic on mobile
[12:02] <czajkowski> ogra_: please do the magic head spin on that eh :)
[12:02] <pmcgowan> popey, hats a captive portal
[12:03] <pmcgowan> whats
[12:03] <popey> pmcgowan: like hotel wifi where you have to sign in
[12:03] <ogra_> czajkowski, well, if popey had done that head correctly it would snap every 90° :) i'm working on snappy now
[12:03] <popey> pmcgowan: or just tap a "Ok" button. Anything that prevents you getting on the "real" internet.
[12:03] <pmcgowan> ah
[12:03] <pmcgowan> popey, patches accepted :)
[12:03] <czajkowski> it was fun watching all the enginners play with it yesterday
[12:04] <ogra_> pmcgowan, the main bug we have open dfor that one is talking about "enterprise wlan" i think
[12:04] <popey> pmcgowan: ok, noted. :)
[12:04] <czajkowski> like little kids anything but deal with the work we had to prep for today for a change of pace
[12:04] <popey> thats something else entirely
[12:04] <ogra_> you mean enterprise?
[12:13] <mcphail> most of these portals redirect your browser to a web page, though. I have never had any problems signing in
[12:14] <czajkowski> mcphail: none are popping open though when I've been clicking on networks to join
[12:15] <popey> thats a separate issue though I think
[12:15] <popey> if I understand you
[12:15] <mcphail> czajkowski: if you click to join the network, then navigate to any webpage in the browser, you'll prob be redirected to a sign-in page?
[12:17] <czajkowski> mcphail: sure but on android which is where I ws comparing it to , android in most cases pops up the browser to log you in
[12:17] <popey> right
[12:17] <popey> yes, thats the known issue
[12:17] <czajkowski> mcphail: new users to ubuntu phones would expect that
[12:17] <czajkowski> popey: aye
[12:17] <popey> sure
[12:17] <popey> it's never worked in linux
[12:17] <mcphail> aah - I hate that in Android! Constant nagging about "open networks are available" :)
[12:17] <popey> elementary os recently added the feature
[12:17] <popey> no, not that one mcphail
[12:17] <popey> ater you connect
[12:17] <popey> *after
[12:17] <czajkowski> mcphail: no!
[12:18] <popey> the phone goes looking for a 1x1 pixel at apple.com or google.com
[12:18] <popey> and if it gets something else, it knows it's behind hotel wifi, and pops up the browser
[12:18] <popey> thats the bit missing, we've debated adding it in ubuntu many times
[12:18] <mcphail> popey: yes - it is part of it: you get a network symbol with a question mark for the captive portals
[12:18] <popey> but for some reason it was always rejected - on one occasion for privacy reasons
[12:18] <popey> right
[12:19] <mcphail> I'm so used to the Ubuntu (desktop) way of doing things I find the android way annoying
[12:20] <popey> heh
[12:20] <czajkowski> mcphail: fair enough but if you're roaming and you're relying on connecting to many wifi networks
[12:20] <czajkowski> it's frustrating as hell
[12:20] <czajkowski> especially when you're used to the android way of doing things
[12:20] <mcphail> czajkowski: trust me - I'm doing this all the time :)
[12:21] <czajkowski> mcphail: trust me, I travel a lot!
[12:21] <popey> It's not a competition :)
[12:21] <mcphail> heh
[12:21] <czajkowski> popey: if it was I'd win :)
[12:21] <czajkowski> just saying
[12:21] <czajkowski> hmm 24hr ihop in my hotel. I'm in dire need of bacon and a cup of weak tea
[12:22] <mcphail> The biggest frustration with the captive portals is the browser doesn't remember the login details
[12:22] <popey> yeah
[12:23] <mcphail> I have about 200 hotel wifi business cards in my bag
[12:23] <mcphail> ...and never the right one for my current hotel
[12:29] <pywy> Hi all
[12:29] <popey> hi
[12:29] <pywy> I am looking forward to buy an ubuntu phone Aquaris e5
[12:29] <popey> me too :)
[12:30] <pywy>  ;)
[12:30] <pywy> i've heard there is no mail app to do imaps/smtps
[12:30] <pywy> is that right ?or just a rumor ?
[12:31]  * ogra_ guesses DanChapman takes patches for dekko to support IMAPS :)
[12:32] <pywy> oh, ok, not in bulk version then, requires patches
[12:33] <pywy> thats quite bad news
[12:33] <ogra_> oh, wait
[12:33]  * ogra_ actually notices he uses IMAPS with dekko ... 
[12:33] <ogra_> it doesnt support GPG ...
[12:34] <kenvandine> mandel, did you see my comment the other day about silo 9?  that's still targetting the vivid overlay, which yes we want it there... but trunk is now wily so we don't want to merge your branch with trunk to land for vivid
[12:34] <kenvandine> there is a bit of a delta already there
[12:34] <ogra_> but SSL/TLS via port 465 and 993 work fine
[12:34] <mcphail> pywy: dekko isn't a default app, but is the email app everyone actually uses :)
[12:34] <kenvandine> mandel, so what we want is a rebuild targetting the 15.04 branch
[12:35] <ogra_> pywy, ^^^
[12:35] <pywy> thanks for the precision mcphail
[12:35] <pywy> so it works with an app called dekko, easily installable
[12:35] <ogra_> right
[12:36] <mcphail> pywy: and DanChapman is always around if you have problems. The beauty of this device is the direct contact with the devs
[12:36] <pywy> that's better ! thanx ogra_
[12:36] <popey> mcphail: +1
[12:38] <Cyrius_> hello there !
[12:38] <Cyrius_> I'm trying to install Touch on my Nexus 4
[12:38] <lotuspsychje> !devices | Cyrius_
[12:39] <Cyrius_> but I'm kind of stuck with a problem
[12:40] <Cyrius_> when plugged, my device is always displayed as offline by any adb command
[12:41] <mcphail> Cyrius_: is your screen unlocked?
[12:41] <popey> well
[12:41] <Cyrius_> @mcphail yeah
[12:41] <mcphail> Cyrius_: (or do you mean you haven't installed yet?)
[12:41] <popey> is it currently running android?
[12:41] <Cyrius_> it is
[12:42] <Cyrius_> 4.4.4 if I'm not mistaken
[12:42] <popey> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Install you following that guide?
[12:42] <popey> (enabled developer mode, got a working USB cable etc) :)
[12:42] <mcphail> Cyrius_: dev mode enabled?
[12:43] <Cyrius_> I am following that guide, dev mod enabled (I'v been devellopping android app on it with Android Studio for a few months)
[12:44]  * mcphail thinks android studio uses adb internally...
[12:44] <Cyrius_> indeed
[12:44] <lotuspsychje> Cyrius_: have you installed the android tools on ubuntu?
[12:45] <popey> Cyrius_: what version of ubuntu you using?
[12:46] <Cyrius_> I was able to run adb commands through Android Studio before
[12:46] <sturmflut2> ogra_: Can you check what the "Computex Intel" snappy package does?
[12:46] <popey> i think it's just a demo
[12:46] <lotuspsychje> Cyrius_: did you install the android tools for ubuntu?
[12:46] <ogra_> sturmflut2, ask in #snappy ...
[12:46] <sturmflut2> popey: Sure, but I want to know what it demoes ;)
[12:47] <ogra_> (not my package, i thinnk that comes live from the intel booth at computex)
[12:47] <sturmflut2> ogra_: Ooooh, I never realised that there is #snappy
[12:47] <popey> download it and have a look :)
[12:48] <lotuspsychje> Cyrius_: check if you installed, from the link popey provided
[12:51]  * DanChapman is late to the dekko conversation and seems all questions were resolved (*scurries back off to his hole*)
[12:52] <popey> heh
[12:56] <lotuspsychje> Cyrius_: talk here instead of query
[12:56] <Cyrius_> I'm just lost with IRC
[12:56] <lotuspsychje> Cyrius_: what does adb devices show you?
[12:57] <Cyrius_> my device, but offline
[12:57] <lotuspsychje> Cyrius_: ubuntu version?
[12:57] <Cyrius_> and no "Authorization box" appears on my mobile
[12:57] <Cyrius_> 14.04 LTS
[12:57] <lotuspsychje> Cyrius_: and you installed phablet tools correctly..hmm
[12:58] <Cyrius_> yeah I'm quite lost
[12:58] <Joran> potentially android studio used it's own packaged version of adb which is more up to date?
[12:58] <Cyrius_> Android Studio still gets to display this Authorization Box on my device
[12:58] <Joran> I would do the following...
[12:58] <Cyrius_> I don't think so
[12:58] <lotuspsychje> Cyrius_: did you enable developr mode and usb debugging too?
[12:59] <Cyrius_> both
[12:59] <Joran> Install the latest android sdk, copy the binaries to ~/bin, ensure ~/bin is in your path and then do adb devices step again
[13:00] <Joran> earlier versions of adb don't play well with later versions of android because of the whole authorisation step
[13:01] <dobey> faenil: https://askubuntu.com/questions/620740/recommended-way-to-install-regularcli-deb-packages-on-ubuntu-phone/623311#623311
[13:01] <faenil> dobey: thanks, I'm going debootstrap atm
[13:03] <dobey> faenil: ok, though debootstrap doesn't know about the vivid overlay ppa i don't think. using the pre-built image tarball gets you a chroot with all the default phone .debs installed i think, and the correct sources.list
[13:20] <faenil> dobey: I added it manually...ok though, thanks for the hint :)
[13:25] <seb128> kenvandine, mandel, what was the status of that settings silo for vivid which made click updates not listed? do we have fix? should we clean the silo?
[13:32] <faenil> dobey: so vivid-preinstalled is currently rc-proposed with overlay ppa?
[13:33] <ogra_> no
[13:33] <ogra_> rc-proposed is v ivid + overlay
[13:33] <dobey> the preinstalled tarball doesn't have the overlay?
[13:34] <ogra_> http://system-image.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch/rc-proposed/bq-aquaris.en/krillin/ this is vivid+overlay
[13:34] <dobey> that is an image built for installing on krillin, yes
[13:35] <ogra_> two levels up there is neizu.en
[13:35] <ogra_> *meizu.en
[13:35] <ogra_> same thing
[13:35] <dobey> yes
[13:35] <dobey> but we're not talking about images to flash to devices
[13:35] <ogra_> well, we dont have a proper chroot tarball for vivid + overlay
[13:35] <dobey> we're talking about the vivid-preinstalled tarball, for creating a chroot
[13:36] <ogra_> unless you want to use the full rootfs tarball, but i wouldnt recommend that
[13:36] <ogra_> use the ubuntu-core one and add the ppa to sources.list
[13:36] <faenil> I'm using debootstrap, then modified schroot.conf, added overlay ppa, upgraded packages, but now I have to add users as well otherwise schroot says that it can't cd to home and it doesn't execute the commands
[13:36] <ogra_> thats the only actual clean way
[13:37] <faenil> ogra_: ok, good, that's what I'm doing
[13:37] <dobey> deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/ci-train-ppa-service/stable-phone-overlay/ubuntu vivid main
[13:37] <dobey> that's in the vivid-preinstalled tarball
[13:37] <dobey> so it is vivid+overlay
[13:37] <ogra_> oh, main only ?
[13:37] <dobey> well PPAs only have main
[13:37] <ogra_> ah, right
[13:38] <dobey> so i was right all along :)
[13:40] <faenil> dobey wins
[13:40]  * faenil raises dobey's arm
[13:43]  * ogra_ applauds
[13:44] <Cyrius_> Joran: thank you Joran
[13:45] <Cyrius_> that was it
[13:51] <Joran> You're welcome cyrius_
[13:56] <mandel> kenvandine, I missed the comment, I'll take care, no problem
[13:57] <mandel> seb128, no idea, I have not looked at that silo
[13:57] <kenvandine> mandel, cool
[14:01] <seb128> mandel, kenvandine, hum? I though you said you were able to reproduce the issue and were working on fixing it... was that somebody else?
[14:01] <kenvandine> mandel, you had said you would look at it
[14:02] <kenvandine> mandel, but that was like your first day back from vacation :)
[14:02] <mandel> seb128, kenvandine and did look, then went to holidays, got drag to location service fires and I have nt looked at it since
[14:02] <seb128> oh, ok
[14:02] <mandel> sorry, this weeks seems to be easy, I'll take a look
[14:06] <seb128> mandel, no worry, thanks, I was mostly wondering if we should keep that silo and try to fix it or clean it and try again later for those changes, so we can land other bugfixes
[14:06] <mandel> seb128, leave it as it is, I'll work on it tonight
[14:06] <seb128> mandel, thanks
[14:30] <Cyrius_> Hum... I'm flashing my device with Ubuntu, and I'm getting this question :
[14:30] <Cyrius_>  ROM may flash stock recovery on boot. Fix ? (this cannot be undone).
[14:31] <Cyrius_> What should I answer :| ?
[14:32] <zombienerd> what handset is it?
[14:33] <Cyrius_> it's a nexus 4
[14:33] <zombienerd> Same one I use.  I don't remember seeing that question myself, but if I had, I would have said Yes.  Then again, I don't ever plan on going back to android.
[14:35] <Cyrius_> me neither. Let's answer yes then :)
[14:36] <zombienerd> I just read a thread that seems that it is a common message with custom roms, and it doesn't hurt to say yes.
[14:36] <zombienerd> http://androidforums.com/threads/rom-may-flash-stock-recovery-on-boot.751107/
[14:36] <Cyrius_> it boots.
[14:36] <zombienerd> I've gotta get back to work.  Best of luck to you!
[14:36] <Cyrius_> thank you :) !
[15:05] <elopio> tedg: ok, I'm back :)
[15:05]  * tedg runs!
[15:05] <elopio> tedg: and I'm with zsombi :)
[15:06] <tedg> zombies!
[15:06] <tedg> ;-)
[15:06] <torontoyes> Has anyone run into any issue with porting to Samsung galaxy note 3 n900t?
[15:06] <elopio> tedg: I've put the protocol thing in ~/.config/url-dispatcher/urls/test.url-dispatcher
[15:07] <elopio> I ran the update things you told me yesterday, and it's still not in the database.
[15:09] <elopio> I see no logs related to url-dispatcher in ~/.cache/upstart
[15:10] <tedg> elopio, Can you run the command with the G_MESSAGES_DEBUG=all ?
[15:10] <tedg> elopio, Same command that is in the upstart job
[15:11] <elopio> tedg: oh wait, wait. Now it got it.
[15:11] <elopio> I did G_MESSAGES_DEBUG=all /usr/lib/*/url-dispatcher/up^Cte-directory "/home/phablet/.config/url-dispatcher/urls/test.url-dispatcher"
[15:11] <elopio> G_MESSAGES_DEBUG=all /usr/lib/*/url-dispatcher/update-directory "/home/phablet/.config/url-dispatcher/urls/test.url-dispatcher"
[15:12] <tedg> elopio, Did it say anything?
[15:12] <elopio> tedg: http://paste.ubuntu.com/11522532/
[15:13] <elopio> the processing message was what I didn't get before, when I tried with the *.url-dispatcher
[15:13] <tedg> elopio, Is it in the DB?
[15:13] <elopio> tedg: it is now, yes.
[15:14] <elopio> for some reason, doing it with initctl doesn't work either. But we can live with this for now.
[15:16] <torontoyes> elopio, are there any inherent problems with porting ubuntu-touch to Samsung Note 3's ?
[15:17] <tedg> elopio, That is probably a bug. I'm guessing it doesn't work with the "*", probably just needs the dir name.
[15:17] <elopio> torontoyes: no idea.
[15:18] <elopio> tedg: yes, I'll report a bug for that, but write the code using update-directory for now.
[15:18] <elopio> thanks.
[15:18] <elopio> well, I'm not yet ready, I still need to check that the test app receives the URI parameters :)
[15:33] <peat-psuwit> What should I do to find out how parts of the system use power?
[16:00] <OerHeks> oh nice, BQ 5 is comming to us http://news.softpedia.com/news/BQ-Aquaris-E5-HD-Ubuntu-Edition-Official-Announced-483034.shtml
[16:03] <ybon> I can't remember how to do a screenshot. I'm trying volume + and volume - and right button, but this switch the screen off (I'm on Nexus 4), any hint? :)
[16:04] <popey> ybon: just vol+ and vol-
[16:05] <OerHeks> On the BQ Aquarius Ubuntu Phone you have to press the volume up and down key simultaneously.
[16:06] <ybon> ah, thanks popey :)
[16:06] <ybon> popey: the press need to be quick though, I tested it before but I was keeping it pressed for too long, and then this was switching off the volume totally
[16:06] <popey> odd
[16:06] <popey> i dont see that here
[16:07] <ybon> I can reproduce it ;)
[16:07] <popey> heh
[16:08] <popey> actually, on my bq, screenshotting is completely broken
[16:08] <ybon> each time someone write bq I read bbq, which change a bit the meaning
[16:08] <popey> heh
[16:08] <popey> actually, volume buttons completely broken here
[16:09] <nik90> ybon, popey: screenshotting seems to work fine on my bq...holding the buttons for a long time doesn't break it for me either
[16:09] <popey> mine is running a bleeding edge image
[16:09] <popey> my retail bq is fine
[16:26] <nik90> ogra_: I like the new app loading animation...let's make it default
[16:27] <ogra_> haha
[18:31] <nuclearbob> when trying to use lsusb on a bq device as a specific user, I keep getting "Couldn't open device, some information will be missing"
[18:31] <nuclearbob> I think I need an acl adjustment somewhere, but I'm not sure where, since that user is in the adb and plugdev groups, among others
[18:55] <brunch875> Has anyone read this article? http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2015/06/first-ubuntu-phone-with-convergence-is-being-made-by-bq
[18:55] <brunch875> what does it mean 'with convergence'?
[18:55] <brunch875> It kind of implies the current E4.5 won't have convergence
[18:56] <dobey> brunch875: it means "a device built to be used with a keyboard/screen/mouse dock" i would presume
[18:57] <dobey> brunch875: the e4.5's cpu/ram/storage isn't really fitting to that task.
[18:57] <brunch875> Ah, so more hardware-beefy
[18:59] <brunch875> what'you say, dobey... will we be playing counter strike on it after all? :P :P :P
[18:59] <brunch875> hahaha
[18:59] <dobey> i doubt it
[19:00] <dobey> you would have to convince valve to support ARM
[19:00] <brunch875> I'm surprised BQ is actually investing in ubuntu this much
[19:00] <brunch875> first the E5
[19:00] <brunch875> now this
[19:00] <brunch875> those are really good news
[19:04] <zombienerd> Has anyone seen/found a workaround to the Mako tethering bug yet?
[19:05] <nik90> zombienerd: what tethering bbug?
[19:05] <zombienerd> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dbus-property-service/+bug/1427697
[19:05] <zombienerd> Cannot tether on my Mako.  Up to date devel channel.
[19:05] <nik90> ah
[19:05] <zombienerd> Never gets an IP address
[19:11] <mcphail> I suspect "convergence" will be backported to the e4.5. It is a surprisingly capable device
[19:12] <brunch875> I am expecting that! It's the main reason I got this device!
[19:13] <dobey> mcphail: it is a low end device.
[19:13] <dobey> mcphail: i don't think it provides all the necessary hardware capabilities
[19:13] <mcphail> dobey: kernel may be an issue, but the device _is_ very capable
[19:13] <brunch875> are you sure of that? I've installed ubuntu on dead-end machines and it ran 'fine'
[19:14] <mcphail> dobey: I doubt convergence will be supported or recommended for the 4.5, but suspect I will run fine for me
[19:14] <mcphail> *it
[19:16] <ahoneybun> mhall119: with 4-6 TextFields, how would you switch between them?
[19:16] <ahoneybun> *you*
[20:26] <Nikeron> hi all
[20:27] <Nikeron> hey guys, ubuntu touch are support linux apps now or not?
[20:29] <Nikeron> guys?
[20:30] <dobey> ubuntu is a version of linux yes; i'm not sure what you're asking though. you can't install or run arbitrary apps on your phone the same way you can on your PC though
[21:17] <mcphail> I've been doing some tests, and it appears apps can run "forever" in the background if they don't spawn a GUI
[21:19] <mcphail> I suspect that is a bug
[21:25] <pmcgowan> bfiller, do you have your rcs phase 1 and 2 proposal somewhere
[21:25] <pmcgowan> is that in trello?
[22:48] <mariogrip> Hello awe. sorry, I have been gone for a while due to exam in school (+ new job)... any idea one this? http://paste.ubuntu.com/11529976/
[22:52] <awe> mariogrip, off the top of my head, no idea.  I'm actually in the middle of some heavy NM debug.  Do you have a git branch for your code?
[22:53] <awe> Also, as I explained before, I've personally done little with the OEM_HOOK mechanism
[22:53] <awe> so I would have to go figure out how it works myself before being able to answer your questions
[22:54] <awe> My guess is that you haven't properly initialized the rilp, which the parcel the g_ril_send uses to construct the message it sends
[22:58] <mariogrip> awe: I will push the updates i did to a fork soon, i will try to initialize the rilp in a different method than i tried
[22:59] <awe> ok
[22:59] <awe> it's just easier for me and/or abeato to help you if we can see the code
[23:02] <mariogrip> awe: i found this is tha's something we can use https://github.com/nemomobile-packages/ofono/commit/d00df4db747135e55002d7336c47833d5238cf85 but what i understand of it it's an dbus interface
[23:04] <ahoneybun> mariogrip: any luck with ofono?
[23:04] <awe> unfortunately, the nemomobile codebase and ours has diverged
[23:04] <mariogrip> ofono is not the easiest task i have done... xP a big learning curve for me
[23:05] <ahoneybun> thank you for all the work so far mariogrip :)
[23:05] <awe> mariogrip, for an example of how to use OEM_HOOK_RAW, see ril_query_pin_retries() in drivers/rilmodem/sim.c
[23:06] <mariogrip> ahoneybun: going slow, but i'm leaning a lot :D
[23:06] <ahoneybun> mariogrip: will this be on the official port system when it all works?
[23:06] <ahoneybun> so we don't have to dirty install it
[23:07] <mariogrip> ahoneybun: I'm working on a system server but it isn't my priory yet, but it's coming :D
[23:08] <awe> ahoneybun, it'd have to be proposed as a pull-request to our ofono git tree, accepted/merged, and landed in the overlay PPA in order for it to appear in an official image
[23:08] <ahoneybun> awesomeness
[23:08] <ahoneybun> but it is possible awe? like the N5 one?
[23:08] <awe> I haven't seen any ofono changes for the N5
[23:09] <ahoneybun> I;m saying as an example
[23:09] <ahoneybun> it is on the official system as a official port
[23:10] <mariogrip> awe: i think ahoneybun is talking about the port in general, like a system-image server
[23:10] <DonkeyHotei> the only "official" ports are the N4, the bq aquaris, and the meizu
[23:10] <ahoneybun> yea
[23:10] <awe> so... we're talking about a specific package.   If a port requires changes to a package, then those changes need to make their way into the archive, or in the case of our current stable images, the vivid overlay PPA
[23:10] <awe> otherwise, you need to make the image writable, and install a modified package... which can cause update breakage
[23:10] <ahoneybun> so ubuntu-device-flash works
[23:11] <awe> right, and OTA can be applied
[23:11] <awe> again, when a port requires changes to core Ubuntu packages, the best possible solution is to work with the right developers to land those changes in the PPA/archive
[23:16] <mariogrip> awe: the device specific tarball can modify the core packages, so you can example put an ofono package that will replace the existing one
[23:25] <awe> mariogrip, the core packages are on a read-only filesystem, so that's not quite true
[23:26] <awe> especially if you want to be able to use the OTA updates
[23:26] <awe> of course, if you don't care about updates, yea.. you could probably do that, but not advisable
[23:29] <mariogrip> yeah, i'm talking about an ota server for the port i'm working on (oneplus one), the device specific tarball there can edit the core system when updating/installing
[23:31] <awe> sure, again that can be made to work...but again long term, that will break OTAs, unless your building your own root filesystem updates
[23:31] <awe> but that's beyond my scope of expertise
[23:32] <awe> again, your best bet for long term ofono support is to get the changes into the official package
[23:32] <awe> peat-psuit has been working with us on enabling an LG/Qualcomm based device for instance
[23:32] <mariogrip> yeah
[23:32] <awe> see https://github.com/rilmodem/ofono/pull/188
[23:33] <awe> for an example
[23:33] <awe> we designed the rilmodem code with device quirking in mind
[23:34] <awe> this is one of the areas we differ from the nemomobile fork
[23:35] <awe> we also wanted to ensure that we had unit testing of the parcel building/parsing code, so we re-factored the code to allow this
[23:38] <mariogrip> that's cool