[05:02] Morning everyone [05:50] Morning everyone [05:56] goeie more [05:57] Maaz: tell Kilos no it's just me who is slow, my interwebs are doing just fine [05:57] inetpro: Sure, I'll tell Kilos on freenode [05:57] inetpro: Do you lnow how to change one's nickserv password ? [05:57] know* [05:59] mazal: do you remember the old password? [05:59] nope [05:59] hmm... [05:59] And is starred out in my config [05:59] It looks like setpass command if I understand the help correctly [05:59] https://freenode.net/faq.shtml#sendpass [06:01] Ok , that will send the password , but how to change it [06:01] https://freenode.net/faq.shtml#changepass [06:02] Thanx inetpro [06:02] Turned out I could just use set password cos I was already identified [06:05] Registered april 2011 , wow , I been here that long ? [06:12] More oom [06:13] morre mazal barrydk [06:13] morning everyone else [06:55] mornings [06:56] hi ThatGraemeGuy [06:56] Morning ThatGraemeGuy [07:59] eek http://is.gd/fW9GhH [08:03] Kilos: buy 6, so that you can have RAID with a hot spare [08:03] hahaha andrewlsd what a dream that is [08:15] * andrewlsd wonders what to do with all that storage. [08:15] * andrewlsd starts selling cloud storage over his dsl link :-P [08:15] large drives like that are good if you do data recoveries [08:16] the bigger the drive, the more you lose when it fails! [08:16] I'd rather have 2 x 1TB than 1 x 2TB. [08:16] yes then you need one twice that size do do a rewvcovery with [08:16] although, i'd prefer 2x2TB to 2x1TB ;) [08:16] LVM. agregated. [08:17] or btrfs [08:23] im happy with this 1TB and a second 1TB with an unused first 50g thats damaged but can still run kde with this same home on it [08:23] no time or energy for recoveries [08:41] ain [08:42] ain't nobody got time fo dat [08:42] lol i enjoyed doing it though [08:42] :-) [08:42] * mazal shudups [08:42] amazing what testdisk foremost and scalpel recver [08:42] I wish you a speedy recovery ;-) [08:44] andrewlsd: One thing I still want to play with one day is raid [08:44] Don't know it at all though [08:44] Don't even know where to start [08:45] that makes a mirror copy for if one drive crashes right? [08:45] Depends [08:45] Some modes split the data across both , that is the part I don't like [08:45] good for servers [08:45] 1 Drive fails and both drives data is lost [08:45] oh [08:45] good for power users as well not just servers :) [08:46] raid0 is just dumb [08:46] I would like the mirror one [08:46] there are several to choose from :p I run raid 10 on my main dev box has worked well for me so far [08:47] BUT , one of my main tasks is paritioning and imaging my drives. And I don't think that can be done on a RAID setup [08:47] it can [08:48] I must learn all these things one day [08:49] Do you still have to have a RAID card in your pc ? [08:49] depends on your needs - linux software raid is pretty good for most purposes [08:50] Is that the fake raid I heard about ? [08:50] fake raid probably refers to the horrid on motherboard thing that some motherboards have [08:51] ah ok [08:51] I will try find time to learn it one day [08:53] thoguh rest assured there is nothing fake about it :p It is just basically referring to the fact that it runs on the CPU instead of having a dedicated chip to do the work [08:54] i think i saw something about raid here in my bios, but dont think ill ever get to using it [08:55] which for many cases is probably actually a good thing, the CPU overhead is negligible unless it is for some fancy data center or something, and not having to worry about things like (what happens if the raid controller fails and I can't find an identical replacement) are worth it :) [09:05] wb CuttingEdge [09:07] Kilos: ta .. how goes ? [09:07] good ty and you? [09:08] inetpro evening [09:11] Kilos: all good, no (major) complaints [09:21] Guys! [09:21] yes? [09:21] Anyone knows if there is any FOSS project who have a technical terminology document? [09:26] what is that elacheche ? [09:27] It's a document where you define some specific words in you project, like when you write "Free Software" in your documentation you say before that by that you mean "Free & Open Source Software and not Frewares" [09:29] is there one that isnt foss? [09:29] then just google for a foss alternative [09:31] Ah no! It's a technical document about the software, so I was looking for some examples, and I thought that some FOSS projects should have one.. :D non-FOSS software/projects don't share that kind of documents.. [09:32] whew [09:33] why dont you ask easy things like how to update with apt-get [09:37] :D :D I shouldn't ask that.. Or I'll be the worst SysAdmin in the world :( :p [09:38] elacheche: I'm going to Egypt this month. Must be similar to Tunisia, a bit a least? [09:39] nono you have to walk like an egyptian [09:40] lool Kilos.; Why is that?? :p [09:40] stickyboy, how like? [09:40] when in rome [09:40] elacheche: Food. :P [09:41] meat is meat in all counries [09:41] elacheche: Do you guys eat lots of Feta cheese, yogurt, etc? [09:41] Kilos: Barbarian! [09:41] emmm.. I forgot, you only care about food :D [09:41] hahaha [09:41] :P [09:41] stickyboy, I don't think that we have the same food.. [09:42] Want me to try get someone from Ubuntu-eg in here to ask him? [09:44] elacheche: Definitely! [09:44] elacheche: Ok, then I definitely have to come to Tunisia to taste. [09:44] Don't worry, I'll come eventually. :P [09:45] :D [09:45] elacheche: btw, are you a sysadmin or dev? [09:46] I'm a sysadmin [09:48] elacheche: Nice. [09:48] * mazal mumbles [09:48] Me too. [09:48] cool :D [09:49] I shouldn't be surprised x) All SysAdmins love food x) [09:52] stickyboy, let's wait for someone → https://www.facebook.com/groups/ubuntueg/permalink/10152957241133869/ [09:54] elacheche: hah, there's an Ubuntu Egypt? :P [09:54] Nice. [09:54] I block facebook in /etc/hosts so I can't see that page. ;) [09:54] I *fffffffffff* hate Facebook. [09:54] I do hate it too.. But it's a "good" way to promote ubuntu.. [09:55] :P [10:23] stickyboy, do you use logstash or fluentd? [10:25] elacheche: No, great question though [10:25] I've been meaning to. [10:28] I sick with letting my devs having ssh access to my servers to see tomcat logs.. I need to setup one of them or something like them.. The thing is that I don't like the fact that they use their own client app.. I'm looking for something that uses ssh to get the logs.. and in one direction, getting the logs from the my servers to the logging server.. Not sending them from the client to the server, I don't wont my logging server to be [10:28] accessible via the web [10:29] elacheche: I know that feeling. [10:30] Yep.. [10:30] I provision our servers with Ansible, and I gave up trying to manage everything on the app servers (vhosts, configs, web apps, etc) because the devs just change shit. [10:30] I just manage the base stuff like iptables, security updates, sudo users, etc. [10:31] But yeah, my devs have access to their servers. :\ [10:33] Luckily all of my servers are segregated... I give them VMs instead of letting a bunch of apps / devs / users fight each other in one environment. [10:35] I'm trying to change my bash script by Ansible, but my devs don't have access on the servers.. they can only use 2 commands :D The first is my DEPLOY script, and the second is tailf + ccze to see beautiful logs.. and recently I started doing that by using the "command" option in the authorized_keys file.. [10:37] Thinking of creating a build server based on docker and make my devs configure it then when there is a working build server they send me me the docker file, but am still working on that theory x) [10:37] Am on #logstash & #fluentd, asked that question, and nobody seems to be alive x( [10:38] elacheche: have you checked out graylog yet? [10:38] why not just send the logs to a syslog server like graylog2 via syslog protocol [10:38] seems easier imho [10:39] Nope.. TinuvaMac What I did is that knew about elasticsearch + logstash + kibana, I was about to look how to install them when the word "fluentd" popped out and my brain start generating all those questions :D [10:39] Let me check that graylog [10:40] well even if you just send the logs via syslog to another server where syslog listens for incoming ports, at least they dont have to ssh to production servers, just to the syslog server [10:41] I see nice idea.. need to google that more :D [10:41] Thanks dude ;:) [10:42] you see elacheche , this is the most helpful channel on irc [10:42] Yep :D :D [10:42] In #ubuntu-tn we have Redhat & Drual guys more than ubuntu guys x) [10:43] hi theShirbiny [10:43] welcome to ubuntu-za [10:43] stickyboy, theShirbiny is from #ubuntu-eg :D [10:43] hey Kilos, thanks :D [10:43] have fun :D [10:44] aha thats good to know, theShirbiny you havent joined #ubuntu-africa [10:45] ive been hunting for egypt peeps [10:45] yeah, if you have any questions just ask away [10:45] stickyboy go [10:45] stickyboy, Are you eating dude? [10:45] he wants to know what food you guys eat [10:45] Kilos, he must be busy by eating something x) [10:45] he is going there soon [10:46] yeah he just eats and moans all the time [10:46] lol [10:46] oh and listens to rap [10:48] theShirbiny while you wait for him to wake up look at http://ubuntu-africa.info [10:49] TinuvaMac, what do you think about this → http://www.vmdoh.com/blog/centralizing-logs-lumberjack-logstash-and-elasticsearch ? [10:49] stickyboy, you too check the linl [10:49] lik* [10:52] oh my , he ate so much his eyes pulled closed [10:53] elacheche: i havent looked at that setup yet, but it looks good [10:54] i like the lumberjack as rsyslog replacement [10:57] My main goal is to minimize the packages installation on my servers, I don't like to install logCLIENTS.. rsyslog is alreayd installed I think.. → Never used it before [10:57] And to GET from my servers, not to push from them to my logServer :/ [11:00] well that is up to you [11:02] Kilos: about the food, it really depends in where he's going to stay, if in Cairo or in Alex he won't have any trouble finding any type of food [11:03] stickyboy ^^ [11:04] ty theShirbiny i think he got a bit busy, if you can hang here he will come back when he gets a break [11:05] yeah, I'll be here for a while [11:06] thanks [11:09] np :D [11:09] :) [11:34] elacheche: Yeah I was at lunch. hahahahaha [11:34] hahaha [11:34] theShirbiny: I'm all about feta cheese. [11:34] btw, I'm coming to Cairo in a few weeks. [11:35] * stickyboy is in Nairobi, Kenya. [11:45] stickyboy: you'll find it in any supermarkt [11:45] just don't eat anything from the street and you'll be fine [11:47] stickyboy: ^ [11:59] * mazal is bored [11:59] Nothing broken in a long time [11:59] lol [12:00] No re-installs [12:00] No new installs [12:00] work on your linux gaming article [12:00] Will have to fiddle with something [12:00] the one you started in trello remember? [12:00] Apart from MS messing up my Win 7 everything keeps working , at home that is [12:01] Oom ek het erg plug verloor vir daai [12:01] ai! [12:01] Sukkel om courage te kry vir al die tikwerk [12:01] hahaha [12:02] And even the gaming itself. Can't remember the last time I started up anything else than minetest and minecraft [12:02] sjoe, old age [12:02] Think I must fiddle with my server [12:02] Install something else on it [12:03] Something I haven't tried before hmmmmmm [12:03] Gentoo! [12:03] Debian too difficult , mint maybe [12:03] Gentoo ? [12:03] haha [12:04] that will keep you busy [12:04] yeah, I would install gentoo hardened on all of my servers if I can [12:04] Maaz google gentoo [12:04] Kilos: "Welcome – Gentoo Linux" https://www.gentoo.org/ :: "Downloads – Gentoo Linux" https://www.gentoo.org/downloads/ :: "About Gentoo – Gentoo Linux" https://www.gentoo.org/get-started/about/ :: "Handbook:Main Page - Gentoo Wiki" https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Handbook:Main_Page :: "Gentoo Linux - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia" [12:04] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gentoo_Linux :: "Gentoo - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia" http://en.wikipedia.org/wik… [12:04] That sounds above my fireplace [12:04] theShirbiny: Keep in mind I am low skill user [12:05] it's really flexible and you can lock packages versions as you like [12:05] then you better stay away from gentoo :p [12:05] lol [12:05] lol [12:05] Maybe I must give mint a try [12:05] Hear so much about it [12:06] Isn't there an Ubuntu mint now ? [12:06] ubuntu mate [12:06] Ah , mate [12:06] Maybe try mate mate [12:09] mint mate [12:09] or ubuntu mate [12:09] gnome 2 style [12:10] try kde man [12:10] and give it a few weeks trial before giving up [12:12] I am on kde , why you think nothing is breaking ? [12:12] oh ya i forgot [12:13] i battle so long to get you to try it it almost became habit [12:13] hahaha [12:14] You know , some days I miss goold old gnome2 [12:14] good* [12:14] That classic old school look [12:14] theShirbiny whats with peeps love for facebook to the extent they forget to use irc? [12:15] can you ask your loco guys for me [12:16] maybe ill go see you there for a bit [12:16] Kilos: i don't really get facebook or any social media sites in that matter, I only have a facebook account because i *have* to [12:17] aha [12:17] here im hunting all ubuntu and linux users in africa and you all hiding in facebook :D [12:18] hunting? for what? [12:18] * theShirbiny runs [12:18] no man go read http://slexy.org/view/s2aEqtz90N [12:19] thats the message in #ubuntu-africa [12:21] peeps are scared to join us looks like [12:21] wow only 20 nicks? [12:23] * Kilos waves to superfly [12:31] ok guys, I have to go now , I'll be back in ~6h [12:32] cool ty for joining uis theShirbiny [12:32] I'll be afk [12:34] Adios. [12:34] adios [12:34] theShirbiny: You do Gentoo on servers? :P [12:35] I love Arch... but never on a production server haha. [12:40] Bye everyone , have a nice evening [12:41] cheers mazal [12:41] Bye bye [12:41] you too [12:41] * mazal is sad now :( [12:41] cheers barrydk [12:41] lekker aand [12:41] why you sad? [12:41] Will tell you tomorrow oom [12:41] ok [12:42] Lekker [12:42] hahaha thats strange coming from you [14:37] uh oh, goosie broke it [14:38] * Kilos waits for hibana to come fix it [14:41] GitHub finally supports ED25519 SSH keys. [14:41] go go go update all teh things. [14:41] haha [14:42] hibana ping [15:55] hi all [15:59] hi georgelappies [16:24] hmm... [16:25] wb inetpro what broke [16:25] i even called hibana to fix it [16:25] thanks Kilos [16:25] who kicked me off the interwebs? [16:25] plus2 also went [16:26] Kilos: no worries, he'll be back [16:26] some time from now at least [16:26] you ok old man? [16:27] * inetpro is all good [16:27] yay [16:44] aw [16:48] hi Tonberry [17:03] hi [17:11] Good evening [17:19] hi gremble hows things [17:22] I am doing well thanks and you Kilos ? [17:22] good ty just cold [17:22] That's not so bad [17:23] lol [17:52] hi [17:52] will len(string) return the actual length plus one? [17:52] so len(one) will be 4? [17:52] No [17:53] hi georgelappies [17:53] hi [17:53] I don't even know what language you are talking about, but that would be inappropriate behaviour for any [17:53] python gremble [17:54] string indexes are usually counted from 0, so when accessing a specific index, that should be taken into consideration [17:54] However, it should always give you the number of characters in the string [17:54] ok, [17:54] That is why you should make sure what kind of characters you could get in your string, because these include non-printable characters like \n, \r, \t and such [17:55] if reading the strings from a file, with one word per line will with open('names.txt','r') as f: [17:55] for word in f: [17:55] handle the newline character as an extra> [17:56] Yes [17:56] Depending on whether it is a unix or dos file [17:56] aah, ok. Thought I was going crazy. [17:56] dos files end lines with \n\r [17:56] I am on unix [17:56] Just \n then [17:57] thanks gremble [17:57] You're welcome georgelappies [18:22] superfly: do you use the KOrganiser Reminder Daemon? [18:22] or the Akonadi PIM service [18:23] what I actually want to know from anyone is, is it worth it? [18:23] * inetpro looking at ways to disable the daemon from even running [18:24] using resources for no reason [18:26] Anyone here familiar with the Lambda luminaries group? [18:27] not me [18:29] Functional programming uh.. group I guess. Here in Pretoria [18:29] looks like it the KOrganizer daemon is started from the file /usr/share/autostart/korgac.desktop [18:30] Kill it [18:30] See if something breaks [18:30] :P [18:30] excactly my thoughts [18:30] Stuff like that is why I don't like using prepackaged distro's. Never know whether things have inter-operational dependency [18:30] but maybe there's a way to just disable it... or even uninstall [18:32] dpkg -S /usr/share/autostart/korgac.desktop says it is part of the korganizer package [18:33] I'm running okay without it here on gentoo, akonadi and the obsession with semantic everything is what made entire kde4 so bumpy [18:34] various programs like kmail stop functioning properly without it, if you don't need them you are probably okay [18:34] inetpro: no, I threw that junk out when it deleted my e-mail, and otherwise lost 8 years of mail [18:35] uninstalled with 'apt-get purge korganizer' [18:35] Use mutt [18:35] :P [18:36] you can turn it off now in system settings apparently as opposed to removing it entirely, though I'm happier to have it off entirely in case it randomly comes back on again [18:38] kmail was so nice in kde3, in my opinion best linux email client available at that point in time, and then in kde4 upgrade it lost half its features and all my emails because of some over ambituous 'semantic desktop' project - so unfortunate [18:39] multiple years later and its still an unstable mess that can't be trusted [18:44] MaNI: yep, a real sad situation [18:44] MaNI: pretty much. [18:44] I haven't used email locally in my entire life [18:45] Ever [18:45] KMail in KDE 4 was fine, until KMail 2, when they shoved Akonadi on us [18:45] now I run my own mail server, with RoundCube for a frontend [18:45] gremble, good plan I guess [18:46] Convenience allowed by gmail [18:46] would be nice if we could have a stable calendar app integrated with the clock display on the panel [18:48] inetpro ? [18:48] after all these years I still don't see why we need calendar functionality integrated with the email app [18:49] my clock shows date and time in jhb and UTC if i hover muse over it [18:49] with a proper API the calendar should be able to work independant of email [18:49] and if i click the clock i see the months calender with holidays [18:49] Kilos: the calendar is where you book meetings [18:50] oh not a monthly type calender [18:53] haha corrie very unhappy with mtn hey [18:55] hi superfly haha yeah luckily neelsie helped out, i didnt know how to get onto panet on my own [18:55] thats why i got friends here [18:59] hi ThatGraemeGuy mining? [18:59] ai! [18:59] what? [19:00] you getting me confused with all these mixed messages [19:00] which one now [19:00] sorry goosie [19:00] Both of you seem to be getting old [19:00] :P [19:01] hahaha [19:01] who's corrie and why would he be angry with mtn? [19:01] corrie206 [19:01] the tweet king [19:01] maybe he needs anger management treatment? [19:02] lol [19:02] can we also say that @MTNza has one of THE WORST websites ever. Your search isn't working. To busy, confusing. [19:03] @corrie206 @MTNza you can't bullshit internet nerds. Get your shit together [19:03] haha he dont pull punches [19:03] oh I can agree with that... one of many reasons why I don't do MTN [19:04] Kilos: yep [19:04] voda is the same here nowadays, sis has changed all her stuff to telkom [19:04] All of them is shit. Just don't let CellC buy out your contract [19:04] are [19:04] Apparently I cannot do the English [19:05] im happy with telkom [19:05] I must say, Telkom has improved a lot actually [19:06] yeah very stable, im just waiting for them to speed up my tower [19:06] still has much more room for improvement but way better than others [19:06] they say they are working on it [19:07] cry for me on thursday night hey [19:07] meets at 10pm and midnight [19:07] I just found out a really funny thing. 1 is coprime with itself. (Two integers are coprime if they share no common factors(excluding 1)) [19:07] if Telkom had better countrywide coverage I would jump ship to it entirely [19:09] gremble: says who? [19:09] The axioms of number theory [19:10] Granted, it is not really funny. Not even mildly bemusing I think [19:10] hmm... [19:10] But bear with me, I've had a long day [19:10] lol old age [19:11] * inetpro had to go look up the meaning of the word axiom [19:11] Wrote my first exam for the semester today :/ That is why I am here talking shit again. I have a couple of days of before calculus [19:11] off [19:12] Could've just asked, inetpro. It is a truism, a definition. One of the playing rules by which you can do things [19:12] howd the exam go gremble ? [19:12] Exactly kilos [19:12] gremble: there are debates as to whether 1 is a prime number or not ;-)\ [19:12] Went ok. Studied my arse off though. [19:12] good keep it up [19:13] superfly: Yup. But it is mostly used in its own class because it simplifies a lot of theorums if we don't make it eligabile for primality [19:13] gremble didnt you say the other day you looking for a job [19:13] However, that would still stand, because all prime numbers are also coprime to all numbers, therefore 1 would still be coprime to itself [19:13] Kilos: I am looking for a part-time job so that I can study and work [19:14]