[00:19] <mparillo> I believe it is controlled by your System Settings > Regional Settings > Formats. Does your Region generally use that format?
[00:39] <efrenGhost> :)
[01:07] <[Relic]> anyway to save a session yet in 15.04?
[01:49] <JR2573> My region is set to the US (decimals), though I'll check those settings, thanks
[07:35] <lordievader> Good morning.
[07:47] <ejay> lordievader: morning
[07:51] <lordievader> Hey ejay
[08:16] <aris> irc://freenode.net/kontact
[08:25] <frenda> Is 'KDE Plasma 5' the default desktop in Kubuntu 15.04?
[08:26] <frenda> What's the relation between KDE and PLasma 5? Is it like gnome-shell in gnome3?
[08:28] <ejay> frenda: KDE is a name of a company and plasma is a enviroment
[08:29] <frenda> As I remember, The desktop on some of distribution was called 'KDE4'!
[08:29] <frenda> some distributions*
[08:31] <frenda> Which linux distro is using Plasma as default desktop currently? I asked Mageia team and they told me that they are not migrated to Plasma 5. Also Manjaro, Archlinux;
[08:31] <lordievader> frenda: Yes, Plasma5 is default in Kubuntu 15.04.
[08:32] <__dan__> they kinda separated out the components of the KDE desktop, as I understand it there is now Frameworks 5 (the underlying tech that sits on top of Qt5) Apps 5 (like KMail, Kate and such) and Plasma 5 (the desktop)
[08:33] <__dan__> OpenSUSE is another big KDE 5 desktop
[08:33] <frenda> KDE5 --> is it wrong?
[08:34] <frenda> What about 'KDE Plasma 5'?
[08:35] <lordievader> frenda: With the introduction of Plasma5 things got renamed. KDE5 means nothing anymore. It is either KF5 (KDE Frameworks 5) or the desktop, Plasma5.
[08:35] <lordievader> KDE4 got renamed to Plasma4 to reflect this change.
[08:36] <__dan__> yeah I think it's supposed to be "KDE Plasma 5", you occasionally see someone take issue with the reference to "KDE 5" usually followed by a three paragraph explanation of why that is the case but I never managed to read the whole thing without falling asleep or finding something interesting to do
[08:37] <__dan__> everyone I know refers to it as KDE 5
[08:37] <lordievader> __dan__: Better use Plasma5 ;)
[08:37] <lordievader> When referring to the desktop, that is.
[08:38] <__dan__> nobody knows what that is unless they're already familiar with KDE 5 tho
[08:39] <lordievader> Yes, but KDE5 means nothing.
[08:39] <__dan__> I guess it's the same as calling Win7 "Microsoft 7"
[08:39] <lordievader> Err, no?
[08:40] <__dan__> calling it KDE 5 i mean
[08:40] <__dan__> as in KDE is the company, plasma is the product
[08:40]  * __dan__ will continue to call it KDE 5 as it tends to be clearer to people not intimately familiar with the KDE ecosystem
[08:41] <lordievader> Ah, in that way. Yes. Though with KDE5 one could be reffering to the whole of the KDE collection.
[08:41] <__dan__> well yeah that's how I read it, KDE 5 is the whole shebang
[08:41] <__dan__> rolls off the tongue a little easier than "KDE Frameworks 5 and KDE Plasma Desktop 5 and KDE Applications 5" doesnt it
[08:42] <lordievader> Hence plasma5 ;)
[08:49] <s_20> lordievader: consindering many people still call internet explorer "the internet symbol" or "the internet", i think calling it "kde 5" isn't such a bad idea
[08:50] <s_20> and even the more technolgically savvy people will have serious problems trying to explain to you what a "framework" in that context actually is
[08:51] <s_20> so, as descriptive and correct the names are, i don't the wider target audience (which i suppose should be non-developers) has no real chance of understanding it
[08:51] <lordievader> I'd like to follow the KDE naming scheme.
[08:56]  * __dan__ will continue to use KDE 5, Microsoft 7 and Google 4.4 :P
[08:57] <__dan__> oh and Apple 10.10
[09:01]  * sick_rimmit scratching head
[09:02] <sick_rimmit> Can anyone explain why KMail via Kontact always shows the Inbox of my IMAP account as holding 0 entries, when every other mail client I uses displays the mail in Inbox ?
[09:03] <sick_rimmit> Is this some 'Special' feature ?
[09:09] <frenda> Is there any reference for this rebranding: KDE Desktop --> Plasma Desktop?  I want to link it in my blog post.
[09:10] <valorie> frenda: it's sort of been brewing for a long time
[09:10] <valorie> but if you google a bit you might find a few blog posts by plasma devels discussing it
[10:43] <amichair> when upgrading to plasma 5 (15.04) the yellow sticky note that was on the desktop disappeared. How do I get it back?
[11:00] <chencho9000> hi there
[11:00] <chencho9000> hi there
[11:01] <chencho9000> I have a question
[11:01] <hateball> !ask
[11:01] <chencho9000> ok I've just installed 8gb ram on my system and I see the consumption has raised
[11:02] <chencho9000> ¿is that normal?
[11:02] <hateball> chencho9000: Yes
[11:02] <hateball> chencho9000: run "free -m" in a terminal and it'll show you that most of it likely cached
[11:02] <chencho9000> ok
[11:02] <hateball> Unused RAM is wasted RAM :)
[11:02] <chencho9000> yep
[11:02] <chencho9000> the performance has increased a bit ;-)
[11:03] <hateball> :)
[11:07] <chencho9000> ok, thanks. Kubuntu has surprised me in the positive way, im planning give them some money
[11:07] <hateball> Cool
[11:08] <__dan__> amichair: KNotes ?
[11:10] <hateball> amichair: For some silly reason the sticky notes are saved in kderc which gets overwritten on upgrade
[11:10] <hateball> so unless you have a backup of your ~/ then....
[11:11] <__dan__> wow :/
[11:15] <__dan__> wunderlist is fantastic but has just been bought out by microsoft so not sure for how much longer that will remain useful
[11:41] <silv3r_m00n1> hi there
[11:42] <silv3r_m00n1> i upgraded to latest ubuntu and now its kde 5 i think, how can i get back the old plasma kde ?
[11:42] <amichair> hateball: wow... losing data used to be taken seriously... now it's by design, it seems
[11:43] <hateball> amichair: Well, always keep backups they say
[11:47] <silv3r_m00n1> or how can i get oxygen theme for plasma 5 ?
[11:48] <hateball> It should be in themes, it is just using breeze by default
[11:56] <mparillo> I use the yellow Oxygen Cursor. I got the inspiration from: https://www.kubuntuforums.net/showthread.php?68105-Don-t-upgrade-to-15-04-just-yet-like-I-did/page5
[12:00] <amichair> hmmm... I think I'll revert the theme as well
[12:01] <amichair> hateball: do you by any chance know the exact path to the file with the notes content? so I'll know what to look for in backups
[12:05] <hateball> amichair: ~/.kde/share/config/plasma-desktop-appletsrc
[12:08] <amichair> hateball: much obliged :-)
[12:11] <cofo> I need help
[12:11] <lordievader> !ask | cofo
[12:11] <cofo> yea
[12:12] <cofo> i was in ubuntu and feel being troll
[12:12] <cofo> I simply click install ubuntu and quit fast. How do I check if something happen/changed without reboot?
[12:12] <cofo> Because all I offered is reboot
[12:14] <hateball> cofo: a simple "sudo fdisk -l" should tell you if your partition layout has been changed
[12:15] <cofo> Thanks!
[12:15] <cofo> They said It's not able to check
[12:17] <cofo> i just see the size..
[12:24] <cofo> Please
[12:36] <amichair> I see the knotes configuration is all missing
[12:37] <Guest43493> hg
[12:39] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[12:42] <cofo> hiiiiiii
[12:42] <cofo> 12:39 PM <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[12:43] <BluesKaj> hi cofo
[12:43] <cofo> hi BluesKaj
[12:44] <cofo> i need help
[12:44] <BluesKaj> why are you quoting my logon ?
[12:44] <cofo> i have sdhc and i can't see it
[12:45] <BluesKaj> cofo, what's sdhc?
[12:46] <cofo> something you never know
[12:46] <cofo> it's small card that you can put their files.. It's smaller because it's efficient(maybe)
[12:46] <cofo> google this
[12:54] <lordievader> Secure Digital High Capacity?
[12:54] <lordievader> Why not SDXC :P
[13:08] <cofo> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11542472/ help me to mount it
[13:10] <lordievader> cofo: "sudo mount /dev/mmcblk0<x> <destination>", replace <x> and <destination> with whatever you want.
[13:10] <warmachine> hello guys
[13:11] <cofo> not work
[13:11] <lordievader> cofo: It does...
[13:12] <lordievader> cofo: Else pastebin the error (with the command you used).
[13:12] <cofo> [ 5594.318063] EXT4-fs (mmcblk0): VFS: Can't find ext4 filesystem
[13:12] <cofo> [ 5690.756764] EXT4-fs (mmcblk0p1): VFS: Can't find ext4 filesystem
[13:12] <lordievader> Hey warmachine, how are you?
[13:12] <warmachine> i'm fine and yourself ?
[13:12] <cofo> lordievader:
[13:12] <lordievader> cofo: Is there a (EXT4) filesystem on there?
[13:12] <lordievader> warmachine: Doing good here.
[13:12] <warmachine> i'm trying my fresh and new linux
[13:12] <cofo> no idea how to check
[13:12] <warmachine> discovring IRC too.
[13:13] <warmachine> lol
[13:13] <warmachine> i'm newbie :)
[13:13] <lordievader> cofo: sudo e2fsck -f <filesystem>
[13:13] <lordievader> warmachine: Welcome :)
[13:13] <warmachine> txs
[13:13] <cofo> which filesystem?
[13:13] <warmachine> trying to figure out why amarock is getting some timeout
[13:14] <warmachine> on cools stream
[13:14] <lordievader> cofo: The /dev/mm<bla,bla><x> one ;)
[13:15] <cofo> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11542698/
[13:15] <lordievader> cofo: You have a broken filesystem.
[13:16] <cofo> WHAT DOES IT MEAN :(
[13:16] <cofo> at least i found something new
[13:17] <lordievader> cofo: Ext filesystem have a superblock, this is used to describe the filesystem. It tells the OS where the files are located. This one is either corrupt. Or the filesystem you are checking ain't an ext filesystem.
[13:18] <cofo> it's corrupy
[13:18] <cofo> corrupt*
[13:18] <cofo> how do i view it anyway?
[13:18] <cofo> because it's did fsck in raspberry
[13:18] <lordievader> cofo: View what?
[13:18] <cofo> view files duh
[13:18] <cofo> I want to backup these files
[13:18] <cofo> i hope it possible :(
[13:19] <lordievader> cofo: Fix your filesystem. Then mount it.
[13:19] <lordievader> cofo: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FilesystemTroubleshooting
[13:20] <cofo> oo
[13:20] <cofo> i hope you know what yo are saying
[13:24] <cofo> lordievader: you give me this because it risk?
[13:25] <lordievader> I gave you what?
[13:25] <lordievader> The link?
[13:25] <lordievader> I gave you the link as that is quicker than me explaining the same thing step by step.
[13:26] <lordievader> Another usefull think would be to read the manpages of e2fsck and fsck.ext4
[13:27] <cofo> :(
[13:27] <cofo> which case to go?
[13:29] <lordievader> You want to read the e2fsck cheatsheet (and the manpages).
[13:30] <lordievader> Also this blog is nice for your problem: https://linuxexpresso.wordpress.com/2010/03/31/repair-a-broken-ext4-superblock-in-ubuntu/
[13:30] <cofo> would i able to read the files?
[13:30] <lordievader> What files?
[13:31] <cofo> in the sdhc..
[13:31] <lordievader> On the filesystem? After you fix it, you should be. Though data-loss could occur, that is why you should allways have a backup.
[13:32] <cofo> no backup
[13:32] <cofo> i just want to read my files
[13:32] <cofo> it's files i written in python
[13:33] <cofo> and progress in books
[13:33] <cofo> without them i can't continue
[13:34] <lordievader> That is precisely why you make backups...
[13:34] <cofo> i was wrote it in ssh raspberry pi
[13:34] <cofo> no idea how to backup!!
[13:34] <lordievader> The most simple approach is simply to have a copy elsewhere.
[13:36] <cofo> Anyone can please help me
[13:37] <cofo> I'm not familiar with f2sck
[13:37] <cofo> fsck* or other
[13:37] <lordievader> cofo: Have you read the blog I gave you?
[13:37] <cofo> Now i'm reading
[13:40] <BluesKaj> lordievader, he's crossposting ion #ubuntu
[13:40] <lordievader> As long as he read that blog he should be fine.
[13:40] <cofo> Stupid BluesKaj
[13:41] <lordievader> !pm | cofo
[13:41] <lordievader> And please respect the people here.
[13:42] <__dan__> *rolleyes*
[13:42] <cofo> I don't respect people that give hate
[13:42] <cofo> i don't know how to use ubuntu :(
[13:42] <BluesKaj> !crosspost
[13:42] <cofo> and how to approach it
[13:42] <lordievader> cofo: He is not giving you hate. Crosspost is simply frowned upon.
[13:43] <lordievader> Anyhows, read the blog and compare it to your situation.
[13:44] <cofo> I don't know which mmc i have two
[13:45] <lordievader> cofo: Use ls to find out ;)
[13:45] <cofo> i use ls and then /dev/mmc ..
[13:46] <lordievader> cofo: ls /dev/|grep mmc
[13:46] <cofo> i have two
[13:47] <lordievader> From your earlier paste I suspected more...
[13:47] <cofo> both are mmc and both is bad magic number
[13:50] <cofo> i will try this on both
[13:50] <cofo> do i need to backup the filesystem?
[13:50] <cofo> i can connect to raspberrypi the sdhc but it doing some root problem and fsck
[13:51] <cofo> and can't connect to ssh and it's lock the filesystem read only
[13:51] <cofo> so that's why i'm trying this
[13:51] <lordievader> cofo: Could you pastebin the output of the command I gave earlier?
[13:52] <cofo>  sudo e2fsck -f <filesystem> ?
[13:52] <cofo> this one, sorry for posting much
[13:53] <cofo> i'm about to fix the block
[13:55] <cofo> lordievader:
[13:55] <lordievader> cofo: No the 'ls /dev|grep mmc'.
[13:56] <cofo> mmcblk0       mmcblk0p1
[13:56] <cofo> both..
[13:57] <cofo> I sent message to my place I bought my raspberry pi and they said it's about the software and not the sdhc
[13:57] <lordievader> cofo: Why does http://paste.ubuntu.com/11542472/ show 6 partitions?
[13:57] <lordievader> Yeah, it is software.
[13:58] <cofo> i mean they said it's not problem in sdhc. how could it be?
[13:58] <cofo> and how could you say it
[13:58] <lordievader> cofo: Because it is on a filesystem level?
[13:58] <cofo> no idea..
[13:58] <lordievader> Filesystems is software.
[13:59] <cofo> 6 partition?
[13:59] <cofo> maybe beccause i have the sdhc and also connect it to my card?
[14:00] <lordievader> cofo: Could you paste the output of 'sudo parted /dev/mmcblk0 print'?
[14:00] <lordievader> Pastebin*
[14:00] <lordievader> Not here ;)
[14:01] <cofo> https://paste.kde.org/pgtt01oi4
[14:02] <cofo> weird why you ask me this..
[14:02] <lordievader> That is odd...
[14:02] <amichair> next up - I just noticed I have no audio (since upgrade to 15.04 yesterday). Where do I start troubleshooting this?
[14:02] <lordievader> cofo: Could you pastebin the output of 'ls /dev/'?
[14:02] <lordievader> amichair: In the usual way: driver -> alsa -> pulse.
[14:03] <cofo> i also have connect usb with livetest ubuntu
[14:03] <amichair> lordievader: can you please elaborate?
[14:03] <cofo> https://paste.kde.org/psqwzpqdb
[14:04] <lordievader> amichair: Check if there is a driver loaded for your sound card. Check if alsa works. Check if pulse works.
[14:04] <amichair> lordievader: how do I go about doing those?
[14:04] <lordievader> amichair: The first one 'lspci -k|grep -A2 Audio'.
[14:04] <lordievader> cofo: Yes this is very odd...
[14:05] <cofo> no idea why..
[14:05] <lordievader> cofo: I don't really trust it.
[14:05] <cofo> trust who and what?
[14:05] <lordievader> cofo: The partition table shows 6 partitions while the linux kernel only shows 1.
[14:05] <amichair> lordievader: shows two devices, both with "kernel driver in use: snd_hda_intel"
[14:05] <cofo> i have 0 knowledge in partitions
[14:06] <lordievader> amichair: So there is a driver. Check if alsa works: aplay ;)
[14:06] <cofo> if i remember my password on irc i would connect #hardware but i don't remember it
[14:06] <cofo> and also i shouldn't try fix it now?
[14:08] <lordievader> I wouldn't touch it unless you are sure which is right.
[14:10] <cofo> i think the one with 0
[14:10] <lordievader> You think ;)
[14:10] <cofo> because if you google  this and also raspberrypi you see a lot. It's wierd why it happen to card with noobs card it's like it suppose to do it
[14:10] <lordievader> That is how they set it up. Who says you set it up in the same way.
[14:10] <cofo> i have 0 knowledge in hardware but maybe the parts are not like other cards
[14:11] <cofo> so i'm not going to do anything now
[14:11] <cofo> :/
[14:12] <cofo> i mean really there is many problems on noob card
[14:12] <cofo> noob card is many system
[14:12] <amichair> lordievader: lol, for once it's not the software's fault :-) it looks like the earphones cable connection went bad on the same day as the upgrade :-P
[14:13] <amichair> lordievader: Thanks for your help!
[14:13] <cofo> anyone else can help me?
[14:16] <lordievader> amichair: ;)
[14:17] <amichair> but while I'm at it, I see the TV (HDMI) sound devices are all disabled in system settings
[14:20] <amichair> lordievader: any idea how to get the HDMI audio back?
[14:20] <lordievader> amichair: Err check pavucontrol?
[14:22] <amichair> lordievader: I don't see any mention of HDMI there
[14:23] <lordievader> Not in the configuration tab either?
[14:23] <amichair> nope. lots of variants of analog output, and two digital output (spdif, I assume), no HDMIs
[14:24] <lordievader> Hmm, no idea then.
[14:25] <amichair> oh noes
[14:27] <BluesKaj> amichair, the s/pdif output should link thru your graphics card to the hdmi audio out
[14:28] <BluesKaj> amichair, what is your audio output device default setting in phonon for example ?
[14:28] <amichair> BluesKaj: is that in system settings?
[14:28] <BluesKaj> yes
[14:28] <BluesKaj> multimedia
[14:29] <BluesKaj> device preference
[14:29] <amichair> everything is grayed out except analog (including some HDMIs - all grayed out)
[14:30] <BluesKaj> ok what about the audio hardware setup tab?
[14:31] <amichair> BluesKaj: sound card has only one option, build-in audio
[14:31] <amichair> profile is on analog stereo duplex
[14:32] <amichair> the dropdown options have a bunch of analog and a couple digital options, no HDMI mentioned
[14:32] <BluesKaj> amichair, is this a laptop ?
[14:32] <amichair> BluesKaj: no, desktop
[14:32] <amichair> 3 monitors connected. I used to have HDMI 1/HDMI 2/HDMI 3 options on this dialog, I'm certain of it
[14:32] <BluesKaj> which audio chip, alsamixer will show it in the upper left
[14:33] <amichair> BluesKaj: "cannot open mixer: No such file or directory"
[14:33] <amichair> (that's when I run alsamixer)
[14:33] <BluesKaj> in the terminal?
[14:33] <amichair> ya
[14:34] <BluesKaj> ok install alsa-base and alsa-utils
[14:34] <cofo> Anyone can help me?
[14:34] <amichair> BluesKaj: both say 'is already the newest version'
[14:34] <amichair> in apt-get output
[14:35] <BluesKaj> what about pulseaudio?
[14:36] <amichair> BluesKaj: should I try apt-get --reinstall? shouldn't alsamixer be running?
[14:36] <amichair> what should I check about pulseaudio?
[14:36] <BluesKaj> to see if it's installed
[14:37] <amichair> E: [pulseaudio] pid.c: Daemon already running.
[14:37] <amichair> E: [pulseaudio] main.c: pa_pid_file_create() failed.
[14:37] <cofo> i can't repair the block!!
[14:37] <amichair> BluesKaj: that's when running pulseaudio from terminal
[14:37] <BluesKaj> right
[14:37] <cofo> lordievader: https://paste.kde.org/pgnwp8ixw
[14:38] <amichair> BluesKaj: what next?
[14:38] <lordievader> cofo: As I said before, I wouldn't touch it until you have sorted out the partition mess.
[14:39] <cofo> how do i sort it
[14:39] <lordievader> cofo: ^ is a passive process. Gather information.
[14:39] <cofo> What?
[14:39] <cofo> No idea
[14:39] <BluesKaj> amichair, think we have to start from scratch, sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get -y --reinstall install alsa-base alsa-utils; killall pulseaudio; rm -r ~/.pulse
[14:40] <BluesKaj> amichair, then reboot
[14:40] <cofo> same message with fsck
[14:41] <amichair> BluesKaj: cannot remove ‘/home/myuser/.pulse’: No such file or directory
[14:41] <amichair> is that normal?
[14:41] <lordievader> cofo: Well you could ofcourse just go ahead and do the steps mentioned on the blog I gave you. But don't come crying when everything is gone.
[14:41] <cofo> I did the blog step
[14:41] <cofo> This is the error i receive
[14:42] <lordievader> Yeah, I am very much wondering if it is partition 1 that you want to target...
[14:42] <BluesKaj> yeah amichair that's ok ..the idea was to reinstall alsa anyway , pulse no longer resides in ~/.pulse...forgot about tha
[14:42] <BluesKaj> that
[14:43] <amichair> BluesKaj: so just reboot now?
[14:43] <cofo> i did followed the guide
[14:43] <cofo> i really want to fix it
[14:43] <lordievader> cofo: According to your parted output it is either 3 or 6. But those aren't available...
[14:43] <BluesKaj> yes amichair
[14:44] <cofo> it worked on raspberrypi.. :/
[14:44] <cofo> but i can't openssh their
[14:44] <amichair> here it goes
[14:45] <lordievader> cofo: Unless your partition mess if resolved I cannot help you.
[14:50] <amichair> BluesKaj: ok, back. my desktop moved to another monitor, but that's yet another issue
[14:51] <BluesKaj> amichair, ok does alsamixer show up?
[14:51] <jubo2> Why are the konsole windows not restored after reboot ( default ) on Kubuntu15
[14:51] <jubo2> I have to open the windows again after each time I reboot
[14:51] <amichair> BluesKaj: cannot open mixer: No such file or directory
[14:51] <jubo2> Halp, pls
[14:51] <Phoenixz> Will Kubuntu 15.10 have wayland?
[14:54] <yossarianuk> I hope Nvidia create a driver that supports Wayland first.
[14:55] <BluesKaj> amichair, apt-cache policy alsa-utils
[14:57] <amichair> BluesKaj: 1.0.28-1ubuntu2
[14:58] <BluesKaj> amichair, ok ,  cat /proc/asound/cards ..pastebin the output pls
[14:58] <amichair> BluesKaj: I'm starting to think the mixer it can't find is some virtual device it can't find, and the alsa installation is actually ok - does that make sense?
[14:58] <amichair> output is only two lines:
[14:58] <BluesKaj> ami you may not have the auddio driver installed  for your chip
[14:58] <amichair>  1 [PCH            ]: HDA-Intel - HDA Intel PCH
[14:58] <amichair>                       HDA Intel PCH at 0xf0730000 irq 38
[14:59] <lordievader> Phoenixz: Likely not.
[14:59] <BluesKaj> ok amichair install snd-hda-intel
[15:00] <amichair> BluesKaj: Unable to locate package snd-hda-intel
[15:00] <amichair> BluesKaj: although lspci shows Kernel driver in use: snd_hda_intel
[15:01] <BluesKaj> it might not be loaded tho , sudo modprobe snd-hda-intel
[15:01] <lordievader> If lspci show it, it is loaded.
[15:02] <BluesKaj> not necessarily  lordievader it's an intel bug
[15:02] <lordievader> If the module ain't loaded the kernel wouldn't show it at lspci...
[15:04] <amichair> BluesKaj: modprobe shows no output
[15:04] <BluesKaj> lordievader, no argument there, it shows in lspci, but i's not loading
[15:05] <amichair> with either dashes or underscores
[15:05] <BluesKaj> amichair, ok , that's good, that means it loaded correctly
[15:06] <amichair> BluesKaj: it's also not good, coz we still don't know what the problem is :-)
[15:06] <lordievader> amichair: You guys are trying to get hdmi working right?
[15:07] <amichair> lordievader: I am, yes
[15:07] <amichair> hdmi audio, that is. video is ok.
[15:07] <amichair> stopped working with 15.04 upgrade yesterday
[15:07] <lordievader> amichair: What is the output of 'pactl list' and 'pactl info'?
[15:07] <BluesKaj> ok ,try a logout and back in amichair
[15:09] <BluesKaj> he has pulse installed
[15:09] <lordievader> BluesKaj: That is not what I am after.
[15:09] <lordievader> I know pulse is installed ;)
[15:09] <cofo> I get " HDIO_DRIVE_CMD(identify) failed: Invalid argument " from hdparm -I comand
[15:09] <cofo> Please help
[15:10] <amichair> lordievader: http://paste.ubuntu.com/11544716/
[15:10] <amichair> BluesKaj: did we change anything? what would a logout/in do?
[15:10] <lordievader> amichair: Thank you.
[15:10] <amichair> lordievader: nono, thank you! :-)
[15:11] <cofo> lordievader:
[15:11] <lordievader> amichair: The digital output (IEC958) is the hdmi?
[15:12] <__dan__> lordievader: nah that's SPDIF i think
[15:12] <BluesKaj> amichair, we need to know if the snd-hda-intel driver is loading at login, also whay alsmixer won't enable itself
[15:12] <lordievader> cofo: hdparm with not help you with your partition problem. Check with other pc's to see if they see the same partition table.
[15:12] <BluesKaj> the hdmi gets it's signal from s/pdif
[15:13] <amichair> lordievader: I didn't think so, but BluesKaj said something about one going through the other. What I do know is that system settings -> multimedia -> Audio Hardware Setup used to show HDMI 1/2/3 options in dropdown, and now it doesn't (but does show IEC958)
[15:13] <cofo> i only have here sdhc reader
[15:13] <cofo> damn life
[15:13] <lordievader> amichair: What kind of video card do you have?
[15:13] <lordievader> cofo: Please watch your language.
[15:14] <amichair> lordievader: just the built in Intel® HD Graphics 4600
[15:14] <BluesKaj> amichair, you have only one soundcard, right ?
[15:15] <cofo> he sdhc on raspberry pi is read only mode.. So it mean I can't open ssh?
[15:15] <amichair> BluesKaj: only what's on the motherboard. I assume it's the one analog chip and one digital chip. don't know how it relates to hdmi.
[15:16] <lordievader> amichair: What is the output of 'aplay -l
[15:16] <lordievader> 'aplay -l'*
[15:16] <BluesKaj> and have you updated and upgraded since instralling 15.04 amichair
[15:16] <cofo> lordievader:
[15:16] <BluesKaj> ?
[15:16] <lordievader> cofo: It is in read-only because the filesystem is broken.
[15:16] <cofo> this might be last question :/
[15:16] <cofo> but is it able to ssh/
[15:16] <lordievader> Should be.
[15:16] <amichair> BluesKaj: yes, and also did another update && dist-upgrade just before the reboot a few minutes ago
[15:17] <cofo> and with ssh i can copy?
[15:17] <lordievader> cofo: Depends which way, to the pi. No, it is read-only. Unless you mount a tmpfs or something.
[15:17] <amichair> lordievader: http://paste.ubuntu.com/11544806/
[15:17] <cofo> i mean if i connect
[15:18] <cofo> if i connect ssh to you i can copy files?
[15:18] <lordievader> amichair: Ah, two cards ;)
[15:18] <lordievader> Pulse only sees one.
[15:18] <cofo> Do you know?
[15:18] <amichair> lordievader: isn't that the one analog and one digital that we saw before?
[15:19] <lordievader> amichair: What does 'speaker-test -c 2 -r 48000 -D hw:1,0' do?
[15:19] <lordievader> cofo: Like I said, depends which way. The pi's filesystem is readonly.
[15:19] <BluesKaj> amichair, your audio chip has 2 optional outputs, analog and digital, s/pdif id the digital one that is supposed to link thru the graphics card hdmi-audio out
[15:20] <amichair> lordievader: plays white noise on my earphones, if I jiggle the cable a bit :-)
[15:20] <lordievader> amichair: Hmm now you mention it... alsa does note them both as card 1.
[15:20] <cofo> because if it is not possible i don't wanna waste time connect it
[15:20] <lordievader> amichair: What about 'speaker-test -c 2 -r 48000 -D hw:1,1'?
[15:20] <BluesKaj> they should be card 0
[15:21] <lordievader> cofo: As I said you could use a tmpfs, but that would be gone next reboot.
[15:21] <amichair> BluesKaj: I'm confused, how many chips and how many outputs are there total?
[15:21] <lordievader> BluesKaj: Not necesarily.
[15:21] <cofo> ;(
[15:21] <BluesKaj> it's default, so it should be 0
[15:22] <amichair> BluesKaj: that second command show console output, but no sound on earphones, speakers or TV.
[15:22] <lordievader> amichair: Anything muted in alsamixer?
[15:22] <amichair> lordievader: alsamixer fails with "cannot open mixer: No such file or directory"
[15:22] <BluesKaj> amichair, depends on the card outputs, some have more than one but their just parallel outs for either analog or digital
[15:23] <amichair> BluesKaj: parallel or mutually exclusive?
[15:23] <lordievader> amichair: alsamixer -c 1?
[15:23] <amichair> lordievader: ah, now I see the mixer
[15:24] <BluesKaj> the digital and and analogs are exclusive from each other
[15:24] <lordievader> amichair: Anything muted?
[15:24] <amichair> I assume MM is muted?
[15:25] <BluesKaj> yes and make sure the automute id disabled
[15:25] <BluesKaj> id=is
[15:25] <amichair> so muted: front Mi, Surround, Center, LFE, Line, S/PDIF, Beep, rear Mic
[15:26] <amichair> no bar at all: S/PDIF, S/PDIF De, Auto-Mute
[15:26] <lordievader> amichair: Unmute everything ;)
[15:26] <amichair> I guess that's the one you meant
[15:26] <BluesKaj> use the m key to unmute when navigating with the arrow keys
[15:26] <amichair> disabled automute
[15:27] <BluesKaj> good
[15:27] <amichair> btw I don't have any of those connected (center, surround etc.). just one line out to simple amp, and headphones
[15:28] <amichair> I unmuted everythinhg except the rear mic which I don't use, in case it will add noise
[15:28] <BluesKaj> amichair, do you have a digital input on your amp?
[15:28] <amichair> BluesKaj: nope
[15:28] <BluesKaj> ok
[15:28] <amichair> it's just a simple RCA plug
[15:28] <BluesKaj> right
[15:28] <amichair> L/R RCA plugs, that is
[15:28] <BluesKaj> yeah'
[15:28] <amichair> ok, do I need to save/apply somehow?
[15:29] <amichair> should I raise the volume level too?
[15:29] <BluesKaj> sudo alsactl store
[15:29] <amichair> so just ESC in mixer?
[15:29] <lordievader> amichair: Try the speaker-test command again.
[15:30] <BluesKaj> then just use the escape key to leave alsamixer
[15:30] <amichair> still nothing
[15:30] <amichair> perhaps raise the volume in the mixer?
[15:31] <lordievader> amichair: Uhu ;)
[15:31] <amichair> the spdifs have no bar above them btw
[15:33] <m_tadeu> hi...is there a recent git client for kde?
[15:34] <BluesKaj> no amichair they don't need one, the pcm out controls the digital volume
[15:34] <amichair> still nothing
[15:34] <BluesKaj> the spdif are just switches
[15:36] <amichair> btw why does alsamixer -c 1 work, but alsamixer -c 0 or without -c not work?
[15:36] <lordievader> amichair: Look at the aplay -l output.
[15:37] <amichair> so there are two devices, why does one not work in alsa and the other does?
[15:37] <BluesKaj> amichair, the audiodriver is default as card 1 for some reason , it should be card 0
[15:37] <lordievader> amichair: No, both are card 1.
[15:38] <amichair> oh, right
[15:38] <amichair> I was looking ad device, not card
[15:38] <amichair> so didn't u say I'm supposed to have another card here somewhere?
[15:38] <BluesKaj> no, it's been assigned card 1
[15:39] <BluesKaj> dunno why tho
[15:40] <amichair> ok, so what's next?
[15:41] <lordievader> amichair: In pavucontrol was there a hdmi/spdif output thing under the output devices tab?
[15:42] <BluesKaj> what does phonon look like in device preference, run the cursor over the listed device there, is it listed as card 1 or?
[15:42] <amichair> lordievader: depends on what profile I select in configuration tab
[15:42] <lordievader> amichair: What profiles do you have?
[15:43] <amichair> lordievader: is there some command to print out the list in terminal?
[15:43] <BluesKaj> it should be the same as the hardware tab in phonon
[15:43] <lordievader> amichair: Not to my knowledge.
[15:44] <amichair> BluesKaj: not sure where u meant for me to look
[15:44] <amichair> yes, the list is the same in hardware tab profile and paucontrol configuration profile
[15:45] <BluesKaj> ok
[15:45] <amichair> it's basically 7 variants of analog, and 2 of digital IEC958 (one with analog input, one without)
[15:46] <lordievader> amichair: Ok, what happens when you switch it to the digital one. Then you do get spdif at the output tab?
[15:46] <amichair> lordievader: ya
[15:46] <Phoenixz> I'm using google chrome on kubuntu , and every time I try to save an image with CTRL-S, the file requester literally takes about 5 minutes to pop up... Is this a known problem
[15:46] <Phoenixz> ?
[15:46] <lordievader> amichair: Ok, play something and see if the meter jumps up and down.
[15:47] <amichair> lordievader: it does
[15:47] <lordievader> amichair: So the spdif is outputting something ;)
[15:48] <amichair> lordievader: to where?
[15:48] <lordievader> amichair: To whatever is connected to spdif.
[15:49] <amichair> lordievader: that would be... nothing
[15:49] <amichair> I never used it
[15:49] <amichair> only analog out to speakers/headphones, and hdmi on TV
[15:50] <amichair> where does the hdmi fit in? and why isn't it on the list like it was before?
[15:51] <lordievader> I have no idea. I never use digital outputs.
[15:52] <amichair> BluesKaj: any thoughts?
[15:56] <BluesKaj> amichair, the digital signal passes from the spdif to the audio portion of the hdmi output, so you should hear audio on the device that hdmi is connected, like a tv speaker system or a monitor with speakers
[15:57] <BluesKaj> or an amp with hdmi inputs
[15:59] <amichair> BluesKaj: I just have the built-in TV speakers. that's how it worked until the upgrade. now it's silent.
[16:00] <amichair> but what's strange is that I know the audio hardware setup tab used to have HDMI 1/2/3 options (for the 3 monitors) in the dropdowns, and now it doesn't. I even opened a bug report for it not remembering the correct HDMI output when the TV is turned off, and reverts to a different HDMI output. But now there's no HDMI anywhere to be seen.
[16:01] <amichair> as a matter of fact, I think it had two 'Built-in Audio' options in the sound card dropdown, whereas now there is only 1...
[16:03] <BluesKaj> why your audio output isn't woking could be because the card 0 is usually the default in the alsa-base.conf file (with root permissions) and your system is set to Card 1, so look in /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf , look for something like :  options snd-hda-intel index=0 , if so change it ti 1
[16:03] <IAmMe643> My mic is grayed out under system settings
[16:05] <BluesKaj> bbiab...stuff to do for a few mins
[16:06] <IAmMe643> My mic is grayed out under system settings
[16:07] <amichair> BluesKaj: there is no snd-hda* in alsa-base.conf
[16:07] <amichair> BluesKaj: and the only intel is in "options snd-intel8x0m index=-2"
[16:08] <momo51> hello ?
[16:20] <IAmMe643> My mic is grayed out under system settings
[16:20] <efren> an alternative to navicat in linux?
[16:23] <BluesKaj> amichair, then add, options snd-hda-intel index=1 to the bottom of the file and save it
[16:25] <amichair> BluesKaj: needs a restart?
[16:26] <BluesKaj> amichair, yes
[16:27] <BluesKaj> efren, http://wiki.navicat.com/wiki/index.php/How_can_I_install_Navicat_in_Linux%3F
[16:34] <amichair> BluesKaj: aplay -l now shows it as card 0. but still no audio on TV.
[16:34] <amichair> and no HDMI anywhere
[16:36] <BluesKaj> ok now change the index to 0 in alsa-base.conf , amichair ... the default finally corrected itself
[16:36] <amichair> BluesKaj, lordievader: btw, this is an old bug report I opened, that happens to detail exactly what the settings looked like before the upgrade (ignore the bug itself)
[16:37] <amichair> BluesKaj, lordievader: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=337484
[16:37] <amichair> there were indeed two sound cards available, the second had all the HDMI stuff in it.
[16:38] <amichair> BluesKaj: so change the line I just added to =0 and reboot again?
[16:38] <amichair> who generated that file anyway?
[16:40] <BluesKaj> amichair it replaces asoundrc file that's been dropped afaik
[16:41] <amichair> BluesKaj: but is it auto-generated? can it be re-generated?
[16:41] <amichair> BluesKaj: so I should change the line I just added to =0 and reboot again?
[16:42] <BluesKaj> try loging out and back in
[16:45] <amichair> still no sound
[16:45] <amichair> and only one sound card shows up
[16:45] <amichair> BluesKaj: ^^
[16:46] <amichair> how can I get it to show the second 'Built-in Audio' sound card?
[16:47] <BluesKaj> is it card 0 or 1
[16:47] <amichair> in aplay -l there are the two entries, both with card 0
[16:47] <BluesKaj> you have only one card , it just both analog and digital capabilities ..
[16:48] <BluesKaj> it has
[16:48] <amichair> so when there were two entries in system settings under 'sound card', what was that?
[16:49] <BluesKaj> the hdmi part is the digital audio input of the graphics card
[16:49] <amichair> so how do I get it to appear in the drop-down again?
[16:50] <proteusguy> I'm running Kubuntu 14.10 and my regular user account can no longer mount external drives or memory cards. I have to be the root user. This didn't used to be the case. Is there a specific group I need to be in or something that I can check to fix this?
[16:51] <sithlord48> fyi debian jessie installs very nicely over kubuntu 14.04 while keeping your /home partition
[16:51] <sithlord48> proteusguy: did u use any sudo for gui apps?
[16:51] <BluesKaj> amichair, make sure the spdif in alsamixer isn't muted
[16:52] <sithlord48> also are you using the plasma4 or plasma5 workspace proteusguy?
[16:52] <proteusguy> sithlord48, occassionally I've done kdesudo to launch dolphin for example so I could access these drives.
[16:53] <proteusguy> sithlord48, how can I check which version of plasma I'm using?
[16:53] <amichair> BluesKaj: it was muted again, and I unmuted again. no other difference.
[16:53] <sithlord48> proteusguy:  that shouodn't be a problem.. i have this issue on 14.04 on some machines not sure why its anoying
[16:53] <amichair> hmmm... http://askubuntu.com/questions/627587/hdmi-sound-option-disappears-when-i-install-the-latest-updates-to-ubuntu-vivid-1
[16:54] <efren> BluesKaj i have this error >./start_navicat: 79: [: /home/user/Descargas/Navicat: unexpected operator
[16:55] <sithlord48> umm idk where it tell you
[16:55] <efren> is needed install wine??
[16:56] <amichair> BluesKaj: all of that for a kernel bug??? I'm so sorry for wasting your time...
[16:56] <amichair> BluesKaj, lordievader: thanks so much for your help. I hope this fixes it.
[16:56] <sithlord48> proteusguy:  maybe this will help ? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Mount/USB
[16:56] <BluesKaj> amichair, it's  been a problem for a while , noit just on this kernel
[16:57] <amichair> BluesKaj: that report says it's fixed in 3.19.0-20. How can I tell when it will be released?
[16:57] <sithlord48> proteusguy: also iirc you need be in the the 'disk' group
[17:00] <proteusguy> sithlord48, thanx... doesn't seem to make any difference alas.
[17:01] <sithlord48> proteusguy:  my affected machine is not here otherwise i would try with you
[17:03] <lordievader> sithlord48, proteusguy: What is the problem?
[17:07] <BluesKaj> amichair,  http://www.ubuntuupdates.org/package/canonical_kernel_team/vivid/main/base/linux-image-extra-3.19.0-20-generic
[17:08] <cofo> lordievader: i fixed it ^__________^
[17:08] <cofo> actually linux did
[17:08] <amichair> BluesKaj: thanks, so I just need to install the one package?
[17:08] <lordievader> cofo: How?
[17:08] <cofo> magic
[17:08] <amichair> BluesKaj: can I enable proposed repo, install just that, then disable the repo, and in the future it will all go back to normal updates?
[17:09] <lordievader> cofo: Right... what did you do?
[17:09] <amichair> or will that cause problems?
[17:09]  * cofo just fsck
[17:09] <cofo> lolol
[17:09] <cofo> is it open source?
[17:09] <amichair> or just install the deb? will that play nice with normal updates when they come out?
[17:10] <lordievader> cofo: But your partition table was messed up. What is the output now of 'sudo parted /dev/mmcblk0 print'?
[17:10] <lordievader> cofo: And yes fsck is open source.
[17:10] <cofo> need to learn it =D
[17:10] <cofo> let me tell you
[17:11] <BluesKaj> amichair, yes that's best method
[17:11] <amichair> BluesKaj: the former or the latter?
[17:12] <amichair> the farmer or the ladder?
[17:13] <BluesKaj> amichair, make siure the kernel installs usually with a dist-upgrade then comment the ppa with a # and later if you need that ppa it will be available, or you coulds just delete it to be safe
[17:13] <amichair> BluesKaj: I just thought of checking the checkbox in software-properties-kde
[17:15] <cofo> let me check
[17:15] <amichair> BluesKaj: should I undo the changes to alsa-base?
[17:15] <cofo> there is many mm
[17:15] <cofo> now ^^
[17:16] <BluesKaj> no the default sound driver should be card 0
[17:16] <cofo> how do i backup files fro ssh please?
[17:16] <amichair> BluesKaj: ok, so I'll leave that line in, and just reboot now.
[17:16]  * amichair crosses fingers
[17:16] <BluesKaj> ok
[17:17] <cofo> if you can tell me how can i do the command for all mmc ?
[17:17] <cofo> the asterisk for all: sudo parted /dev/mmcblk0* print
[17:18] <cofo> thanks for trying to help me friend
[17:21] <lordievader> cofo: http://www.extremetech.com/computing/135471-backup-master-class-philosophy-structure-and-why-raid-isnt-a-solution
[17:21] <cofo> do you know about the mmc?
[17:21] <cofo> something wildcar
[17:21] <cofo> wildcard*
[17:24] <lordievader> cofo: Know what about mmc?
[17:24] <cofo> like something wildcard to check all the command for sudo parted
[17:25] <lordievader> cofo: I have no idea what you are trying to say.
[17:25] <cofo>  'sudo parted /dev/mmcblk0 print' but instead of the mmc i want to put some wildcard to check for all
[17:27] <lordievader> cofo: That would be 'sudo parted -l'
[17:27] <cofo> my bad
[17:28] <cofo> it's /dev/mmcblk0 and i have 5 partitions
[17:28] <amichair> BluesKaj: well, that didn't work. I got to the kde login screen, but with no keyboard, mouse or ssh. had to hard-reboot twice, then got back to previous kernel 3.19.0_18 from grub
[17:28] <lordievader> cofo: Still? Odd.
[17:29] <lordievader> Oh well, if things work...
[17:29] <cofo> wait
[17:29] <cofo> https://paste.kde.org/pocuimui4#line-12
[17:30] <lordievader> cofo: Still looks like a mess to me.
[17:30] <cofo> hmm
[17:30] <cofo> what is mess so i can check it
[17:31] <lordievader> cofo: Personal opinion.
[17:32] <cofo> But what is the problem you see  as i can google it
[17:32] <lordievader> cofo: It is not really a problem, I think, just the unordered partitions...
[17:33] <cofo> i will ask other people..
[17:33] <cofo> the unordered partitions?
[17:34] <cofo> oh well i see sudo parted -l it's sorted
[17:34] <BluesKaj> amichair, on the new kernel, drop to a VT/TTY at the login and update, upgrade and dist-upgrade then reboot
[17:36] <amichair> BluesKaj: I couldn't get to a terminal without keyboard or ssh
[17:37] <amichair> maybe I'll just try a mainline kernel deb, those worked before
[17:37] <cofo> it's weird though why i didn't wrote fsck 3 months ago
[17:37] <cofo> maybe it's good..
[17:38] <lordievader> cofo: Look at the beginnings and endings of the partitions, it is unordered. But never mind that, if things work they work.
[17:38] <cofo> =D
[17:38] <cofo> in ubuntu it looks better
[17:38] <cofo> rather than windows
[17:39] <cofo> is kubuntu faster than ubuntu?
[17:39] <cofo> kbuntu looks cool
[17:39] <BluesKaj> ok amichair good luck, I have to go for a while ...BBL
[17:46] <cofo> i like these linux but not much #ubuntu channel :/
[17:47] <cofo> byeee
[18:05] <amichair> yay, I installed mainline kernel deb 3.19.8, and I got my sound back!!
[18:05] <lordievader> amichair: Congratulations.
[18:05] <amichair> lordievader: thanks!
[18:05] <amichair> lordievader: and really, thanks for all ur help :-)
[18:05] <lordievader> That's allright ;)
[18:26] <Happy_the_Exceed> Is the problem with saving bookmarks in Dolphin file browser still existing or has the fix been pushed via updates? (For the latest stable of kubuntu using the new plasma desktop)
[18:27] <Happy_the_Exceed> I would reboot only to find my new bookmarks gone/not saved in Dolphin file browser.
[18:41] <voicu> hi
[18:42] <voicu> is it possible to automount an usb drive when it's inserted and disable the notification?
[18:42] <voicu> now when I insert a flash drive I get that notification which gives me the option to open the drive in a file manager
[18:42] <voicu> (or mount it by clicking the green square)
[18:43] <Kaitsh> hey guys, can anyone tell where the config for ctrl-alt-del is in kubuntu 15.04? i didnt find anything like /etc/init/control-alt-del.conf
[18:44] <lordievader> voicu: Yes, KDE should be able to do that. However you can also go the udev route.
[18:45] <voicu> lordievader: I can't find anything in system settings about that - all I found is "device actions"
[18:46] <voicu> also, I'd prefer not to go low level on this if KDE can handle it
[18:46] <lordievader> voicu: Not sure where it went to in Plasma5 but in Plasma4 it is under System Settings -> Removable devices.
[18:47] <voicu> lordievader: yeah, I remember removable devices from plasma4 (and something similar in kde 3 actually)
[18:47] <voicu> in plasma 5 I see nothing that can help me
[18:47] <voicu> maybe I can install a tool or something?
[18:48] <lordievader> Hmm, perhaps it hasn't been ported yet...
[18:49] <voicu> I might've found something http://askubuntu.com/questions/613313/kde-plasma-5-missing-removeable-devices-option
[18:53] <cofo> help backup user folder
[19:09] <eXistenZe> hey guys. I have kubuntu in a SSD and home folder in a second hdd. Where should I put the virtualbox images?
[19:12] <lordievader> If possible on the SSD.
[19:12] <lordievader> eXistenZe: Is this a linux host?
[19:12] <BluesKaj> especially if it's windows guest
[19:23] <cofo> any help?
[19:23] <Chaser> Kaitsh: System Settings -> Shortcuts -> Global Keyboard Shortcuts -> KDE component (choose kmserver).
[19:24] <cofo> I need help backup the all user with ssh
[19:24] <lordievader> cofo: I use dirvish: http://wiki.edseek.com/howto:dirvish
[19:24] <cofo> dd if=/dev/sdb of=sd.img bs=4M this?
[19:24] <voicu> cofo: make an archive and lookup scp
[19:25] <Kaitsh> Chaser: Thank you! Do you know where these shortcuts are stored?
[19:25] <cofo> how do i make acrchieve
[19:25] <voicu> use scp to transfer the archive
[19:25] <voicu> use a file manager and right click - compress
[19:25] <cofo> i'm on ssh
[19:25] <cofo> connecting to RPI
[19:26] <cofo> how do i acrhieve on command/cli
[19:26] <cofo> what i wrote can help?
[19:26] <voicu> cofo: use tar then - tar cvfj archive.tar.bz2 /home/user
[19:27] <Chaser> Kaitsh: seems to be at ~/.kde/share/config/kglobalshortcutsrc
[19:27] <eXistenZe> lordievader BluesKaj : it's a kubuntu install emulating win 7
[19:27] <Chaser> Kaitsh: Although I never tried changing the file itself.
[19:27] <lordievader> eXistenZe: Do you have a second gpu?
[19:28] <eXistenZe> nope
[19:28] <cofo> what is cvfj against cvf?
[19:28] <Kaitsh> Chaser: alright! Thank you :)
[19:28] <Chaser> you are welcome.
[19:28] <cofo> i see only cvf
[19:29] <voicu> cofo: j compresses it into bz2
[19:29] <cofo> it betters?
[19:30] <voicu> cofo: you should prepend the user when talking to someone so they get notified
[19:30] <voicu> cofo: like I prepend your username
[19:30] <voicu> cofo: yes, it makes the archive smallert
[19:31] <eXistenZe> lordievader: nope. should I even try the x64 or settle with the x86?
[19:32] <lordievader> eXistenZe: ? Of what Virtualbox?
[19:33] <eXistenZe> lordievader: confused...
[19:34] <lordievader> eXistenZe: I don't know what you were asking about...
[19:35] <eXistenZe> lordievader: nevermind. I should run it in the ssd, right?
[19:37] <lordievader> eXistenZe: Yes, I'd do so.
[19:37] <AndyMan1_> Hi! Are there any downsides to moving to the kubuntu backports? What are the chances I'd make things worse?
[19:40] <mparillo> Generally things improve, but here was a minor bug that hit me: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=348436
[19:44] <cofo> d is better?
[19:45] <cofo> dd
[19:59] <AndyMan1_> related to that, any idea when the new versions of KDE will show up in Kubuntu proper, and when that happens is it easy to move back from backports to the regular stuff?
[20:05] <BluesKaj> AndyMan1_, you don't move to backports , you merely include the backport repos in your package sources
[20:11] <AndyMan1_> yeah, sorry about the phrasing. So I add the backport repo, and that lets me move up to KDE Applications 15.04. Is merely removing that repo good enough to revert back to the standard 14.12?
[20:12] <AndyMan1_> Basically what i'm asking is that I'd like to bump up to the more recent bugfixes and such from KDE, but I'd like to know if I can undo that easily
[20:12] <AndyMan1_> should the need arise or I don't like it or whatever
[20:16] <BluesKaj> AndyMan1_, no removing a repos doesn't change your OS , the repositories are for that particular release only, if you care to check your sources.list  /etc/apt/sources.list
[20:27] <AndyMan1_> k, thanks for explaining.
[20:58] <cofo> Anyone can show me example of scp?
[20:59] <cofo> i'm connectin(me=ubuntu) remote(raspberry pi= server) i want to move file from raspberry pi(server) to my(connection = ubuntu) ..
[20:59] <cofo> connection*
[21:01] <Chaser> scp username@remote:<path to file> .
[21:01] <cofo> but i don't think i have ssh
[21:01] <cofo> i mean open
[21:01] <Chaser> am afraid you need to have ssh to use scp.
[21:02] <cofo> i have ssh i'm connecting also
[21:02] <cofo> how do i check my host
[21:02] <Chaser> then you should be able to scp. Not sure what you meant when you said "but I don't think i have ssh"
[21:03] <cofo> i need to open ssh ?
[21:03] <Chaser> nope
[21:03] <Chaser> it does it behalf of you
[21:03] <cofo> my username is ubuntu
[21:03] <cofo> i think
[21:03] <cofo> ubuntu@ubuntu ?
[21:04] <Chaser> nope username of the user on the raspberry pi
[21:04] <cofo> but the remote is pi
[21:04] <Chaser> How are you ssh'ing ?
[21:04] <cofo> yes
[21:05] <Chaser> like ssh username@server ?
[21:05] <cofo> yes
[21:05] <yoyo> have you tried sftp
[21:05] <cofo> damn i forget it
[21:05] <Chaser> then yup you can use scp username@server:<path to file> .
[21:06] <cofo> damn there is ip and i can't see the hostname on router :(
[21:06] <cofo> woow
[21:07] <cofo> pi@raspberrypi /home $ scp ubuntu@10.0.0.2 archieve_backup-2015-06-03.tar.bz2    cp: cannot stat `ubuntu@10.0.0.2': No such file or directory
[21:08] <Chaser> scp ubuntu@10.0.0.2:~/archive_backup-2015-06-03.tar.bz2 .
[21:09] <Chaser> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSH/TransferFiles has some nice explanation.
[21:09] <cofo> i just remove the ~/ will be okay?
[21:10] <cofo> i didn't understand the examples on other sites
[21:10] <Chaser> no you need to add ~/ like I showed you above not remove :)
[21:11] <cofo> why
[21:11] <cofo> I don't understand
[21:13] <Chaser> Think of ~/ as a shortcut for specifying path to home directory.
[21:13] <cofo> i think i go try sftp lol :<
[21:13] <Chaser> cool.
[21:15] <cofo> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/4NNv3tvz/
[21:16] <cofo> help?
[21:17] <cofo> Chaser: yoyo:
[21:18] <yoyo> likely permissions
[21:19] <cofo> i tried sudo and nothing :/
[21:19] <yoyo> what are you doing with the file?
[21:20] <cofo> moving it to my computer
[21:21] <yoyo> You did the get so it should be at the location where you initiated sftp
[21:21] <cofo> Ah?
[21:24] <cofo> fixed =D
[21:24]  * cofo feel stupid
[21:25] <yoyo> your learning
[21:25] <cofo> but i learn slow and this is command
[21:25] <cofo> where do you learn linux?
[21:25] <cofo> or it's better programming?
[21:27] <yoyo> still learning....
[21:27] <cofo> nono
[21:27] <cofo> don't say it
[21:28] <cofo> bye all
[21:28] <surdukat> tjg