| pitti | Good morning | 04:36 |
|---|---|---|
| RAOF | Hey pitti!@ | 05:39 |
| pitti | hey RAOF, how are you? | 05:39 |
| RAOF | Pretty good, yourself. | 05:40 |
| RAOF | ? | 05:41 |
| pitti | RAOF: very well, thanks! looking forward to a long weekend (national holiday tomorrow, took off Friday) | 05:45 |
| RAOF | Aww, yeah! | 05:45 |
| RAOF | Hm. | 05:53 |
| RAOF | When are we going to get that Qt patch that makes it not crash when you plug a monitor in? :) | 05:53 |
| ricotz | Sweet5hark1, seb128, hi, jfyi, there is no sign of libreoffice 4.4.3 in vivid | 06:29 |
| seb128 | ricotz, ? https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/vivid/+queue?queue_state=1&queue_text=libreoffice seems fine to me | 06:46 |
| ricotz | seb128, ah, didn't expect it to be still in the queue, sorry | 06:51 |
| larsu | mitya57: I don't care if you guys rebuild with every release. It seems wrong to me :) | 06:56 |
| larsu | mitya57: but Mirv opened a bug about it... | 06:56 |
| larsu | good morning! | 06:56 |
| mitya57 | larsu, Actually we had a long discussion with lisandro and svuorela yesterday, and it looks like it *is* possible to fix our script. Someone just needs to write a regex for it :) | 06:57 |
| larsu | mitya57: cool. Err....... have fun?! | 06:58 |
| larsu | :P | 06:58 |
| mitya57 | Will try to do it in the evening :) | 06:59 |
| * willcooke yawns | 07:20 | |
| willcooke | morning | 07:20 |
| RAOF | Oh, yeah. | 07:20 |
| RAOF | Overnight for you :P | 07:20 |
| willcooke | :D | 07:21 |
| willcooke | late finish and early start today | 07:21 |
| willcooke | yay | 07:21 |
| RAOF | Winner! | 07:22 |
| seb128 | hey willcooke robru | 07:23 |
| seb128 | ups | 07:23 |
| seb128 | hey willcooke RAOF | 07:23 |
| willcooke | hey seb128 | 07:24 |
| willcooke | RAOF, do you use a standing desk? | 07:24 |
| RAOF | willcooke: I do, yes. | 07:24 |
| willcooke | RAOF, like all the time, even for writing code? Are you happy with how you get on with it? (I assume yes, otherwise why would you) | 07:24 |
| RAOF | Yes, except when I wander around with my laptop. | 07:25 |
| willcooke | I'm toying with the idea of having a standing area so I don;t just sit on my arse all day everyday | 07:25 |
| RAOF | It's particularly useful when you do your back, as I did on the weekend :( | 07:28 |
| willcooke | heh | 07:28 |
| larsu | willcooke: do it! | 07:29 |
| * larsu is standing right now | 07:30 | |
| RAOF | But it's pretty easy, as my #warthogs pic should demonstrate :) | 07:30 |
| RAOF | I actually dislike the sitting down at sprints; after not too long you can go the whole day standing without really noticing it. | 07:31 |
| willcooke | I might give it a go for a few days and see what happens, but I need a proper height desk first | 07:44 |
| RAOF | One can easily be jerry-rigged by means of stacking. | 07:45 |
| willcooke | heh, I'll unpack the book shelf | 07:45 |
| mitya57 | larsu, Mirv: so far all my attempts to write a regex that will take (a) namespaces and (b) virtual methods into account have failed | 07:52 |
| larsu | ah, the joys of c++ | 07:58 |
| larsu | sorry :/ | 07:58 |
| Laney | ahoy | 08:05 |
| larsu | morning Laney! | 08:06 |
| Laney | hey larsu | 08:06 |
| Laney | what's up homie | 08:07 |
| seb128 | hey Laney didrocks | 08:07 |
| seb128 | u.k wakes up :-) | 08:07 |
| Laney | team uk | 08:07 |
| Laney | hmm, seems I broke something, desktop-next didn't try to build | 08:10 |
| Mirv | mitya57: larsu: from my point of view it's ok to recompile gsettings-qt with it's Qt release. as a general trend, the private headers users just should go only downwards so I filed bugs against packages that seemed like they wouldn't really require them | 08:12 |
| seb128 | Laney, why did you tweak? | 08:12 |
| Laney | some config changes were missed | 08:13 |
| Mirv | mitya57: larsu: gsettings-qt sees so little changes that it's not practical problem for Qt preparation, unlike with other packages (if I'm testing, every time a package needing a rebuild is changed, I need to rebuild again and the preparation PPA might be broken for a while) | 08:13 |
| larsu | Mirv: personally I think it's ridiculous that we need to recompile when it's only using public API and ABI | 08:13 |
| larsu | Mirv: no matter how little work it is | 08:14 |
| mitya57 | Actually I am right now trying to rewrite the script using c++filt | 08:14 |
| mitya57 | Let's see if I succeed :) | 08:14 |
| Mirv | larsu: sure, but there's a limit how much effort should be made to the symbol parsing. mitya57 seems having fun with the challenge though :) | 08:14 |
| mitya57 | :-) | 08:15 |
| larsu | mitya57: how do you generate the symbols? nm(1) can demangle as well | 08:15 |
| larsu | ha, as long as it's fun I'm all for it! | 08:15 |
| mitya57 | The symbols are generated by dpkg-gensymbols | 08:15 |
| larsu | ah, that uses c++filt as well | 08:16 |
| seb128 | hum | 08:31 |
| tjaalton | no robert_ancell? | 08:31 |
| seb128 | is anybody else having issues with gnome-keyring ssh/gpg in wily? | 08:31 |
| seb128 | tjaalton, no, it's after his work hours | 08:32 |
| tjaalton | ok | 08:32 |
| tjaalton | xmir bomb.. :) | 08:32 |
| seb128 | why did you need him? | 08:32 |
| tjaalton | gues it's not going upstream | 08:32 |
| tjaalton | +s | 08:32 |
| seb128 | is there an issue with his upload? | 08:32 |
| tjaalton | no, it's fine | 08:33 |
| tjaalton | just need to import it to git, and there was some -xmir cruft left behind | 08:33 |
| seb128 | k | 08:34 |
| RAOF | tjaalton: Oh, congratulations on being tagged with primary X maintainership :) | 08:35 |
| seb128 | $ initctl -v start gnome-keyring-ssh | 08:35 |
| seb128 | gnome-keyring-ssh stop/waiting | 08:35 |
| seb128 | hummm | 08:35 |
| seb128 | xsession-init stop/waiting | 08:36 |
| seb128 | I guess that's the issue | 08:36 |
| tjaalton | RAOF: gee, thx.. ;) | 08:36 |
| willcooke | tjaalton, we are *extremely* grateful for you help and work on X.org | 08:37 |
| willcooke | thank you! | 08:37 |
| tjaalton | willcooke: well I haven't done anything yet | 08:37 |
| tjaalton | too busy with skylake in the kernel land | 08:38 |
| seb128 | Laney, is xsession-init "started" for you? | 08:38 |
| mitya57 | larsu, Looks like using c++filt will make the script *much* slower (Because we can't just fix all files with a single sed call, but we need to iterate over lines manually) | 08:38 |
| willcooke | tjaalton, we're still happy that you are able to help with it though :) | 08:38 |
| tjaalton | but after holidays and before FF there should be a refresh of the usual bits | 08:38 |
| willcooke | thanks | 08:39 |
| mitya57 | (Rewriting the script in some real programming language may be an option, but I don't want to do that now :)) | 08:39 |
| Laney | seb128: no, the script should just exec and finish, no? | 08:40 |
| seb128 | Laney, k, just trying to figure out why gnome-keyring/-ssh is not active for me | 08:40 |
| seb128 | it started earlier this week I think | 08:40 |
| larsu | seb128: doesn't start for me either | 08:42 |
| seb128 | Laney, is it working for you? | 08:44 |
| Laney | stop/waiting | 08:44 |
| Laney | I can't confirm if it worked before though | 08:44 |
| larsu | mitya57: c++filt can filter a whole file from stdin, no? | 08:44 |
| Laney | it's the same on a vivid iso | 08:44 |
| seb128 | Laney, k, well before something were asking for my ssh credential in a nice UI and storing them :p | 08:45 |
| seb128 | that stopped happening for me in wily | 08:45 |
| Laney | does "start gnome-keyring-ssh" start it? | 08:46 |
| mitya57 | larsu, It can, but I want to check output of c++filt on each line and then write the *original* (mangled) line back, appending an " 1" if needed | 08:47 |
| seb128 | $ start gnome-keyring-ssh | 08:47 |
| seb128 | gnome-keyring-ssh stop/waiting | 08:47 |
| seb128 | no | 08:47 |
| seb128 | not in ps list | 08:47 |
| larsu | mitya57: oh... what does the 1 mean? | 08:48 |
| seb128 | tjaalton, oh, a robert_ancell, grab him! | 08:48 |
| seb128 | robert_ancell, hey | 08:48 |
| robert_ancell | seb128, oh shit. I left xchat open :) | 08:49 |
| larsu | robert_ancell: hi! Good evening :) | 08:49 |
| seb128 | lol | 08:49 |
| tjaalton | robert_ancell: heh, just pulled xserver -0u4 diff to git | 08:49 |
| robert_ancell | tjaalton, oh good. I thought it was something more serious :) | 08:50 |
| tjaalton | robert_ancell: well, I was wondering if there are plans to try get it upstream? | 08:50 |
| robert_ancell | tjaalton, where is the git branch? | 08:50 |
| tjaalton | pkg-xorg on git.debian.org | 08:50 |
| robert_ancell | tjaalton, for both Debian and Ubuntu? | 08:50 |
| tjaalton | but could also migrate it to lp at some point | 08:50 |
| tjaalton | yes | 08:51 |
| robert_ancell | tjaalton, yes, I'm working on it. I've cleaned the patches up a bit. The main bit I'm working on is how to make the DRI2 code shared. | 08:51 |
| tjaalton | ok cool | 08:51 |
| robert_ancell | I had a good idea at EOD which I think can now make it wokr | 08:51 |
| Laney | ok think I fixed the config | 09:14 |
| seb128 | Laney, the iso builder one? | 09:17 |
| Laney | ya | 09:18 |
| Laney | there's a file that maps from cdimage outputs to launchpad builds | 09:19 |
| Laney | I messed up the fields in it | 09:19 |
| Laney | https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-cdimage/+livefs/ubuntu/wily/ubuntu-desktop-next all building | 09:21 |
| Laney | (all doomed to fail, of course) | 09:21 |
| * Laney hopes people aren't too irritated by the email spam | 09:22 | |
| Laney | every failed test generates an email to the subscribers | 09:22 |
| seb128 | Laney, where is that map file and why is it needed? just curious and can be handy one day, who knows ;-) | 09:23 |
| Laney | it's on a branch on nusakan (the cdimage build server) | 09:24 |
| seb128 | k | 09:24 |
| seb128 | I'm not enough into that world to understand what's going on I think :-/ | 09:24 |
| seb128 | thanks for fixing it though! | 09:24 |
| Laney | I was getting output like this: http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/cd-build-logs/ubuntu-desktop-next/wily/daily-preinstalled-20150603.1.log | 09:25 |
| Laney | those are names of the old style cdimage buildds | 09:25 |
| Laney | dedicated machines just for image builds | 09:25 |
| Laney | which indicated that it wasn't trying to use LP to build them | 09:25 |
| seb128 | I see | 09:26 |
| Laney | some reading of code later and I found that config file which indeed was missing entries for desktop-next | 09:26 |
| Laney | code -> lp:ubuntu-cdimage | 09:26 |
| seb128 | http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-cdimage/ubuntu-cdimage/mainline/revision/1520 | 09:26 |
| seb128 | I see :-) | 09:26 |
| Laney | a similar private one | 09:27 |
| Laney | that one was also borked | 09:27 |
| seb128 | k | 09:27 |
| Laney | I think we could get rid of the -system-image bit for desktop-next btw | 09:27 |
| seb128 | Laney, do you know if we have recommends enabled on that iso/where to check? | 09:27 |
| Laney | I think they have it for core because there was already something called ubuntu-core before | 09:28 |
| Laney | but for us there is only one desktop-next | 09:28 |
| seb128 | oh? how? | 09:28 |
| Laney | livecd-rootfs -> delete all of the SUBPROJECT stuff for desktop-next | 09:28 |
| seb128 | ah, I see what you mean | 09:28 |
| seb128 | I though you were speaking about the " system-image-snappy-common : Conflicts: system-image-common but 3.0-0ubuntu2 is to be installed" issue | 09:29 |
| Laney | nop | 09:29 |
| seb128 | do you know for the recommends? | 09:29 |
| Laney | yep | 09:30 |
| Laney | https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/ubuntu-seeds/ubuntu-touch.wily/view/head:/touch | 09:30 |
| Laney | * Feature: no-follow-recommends | 09:31 |
| Laney | https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/ubuntu-seeds/ubuntu-touch.wily/view/head:/desktop | 09:31 |
| Laney | doesn't have it | 09:31 |
| Laney | (but touch-core does) | 09:31 |
| seb128 | we inherit from core so have those disabled? | 09:31 |
| Laney | I think it means that the packages in core shouldn't have their recommends but the ones in desktop will | 09:32 |
| Laney | however there's also some config in livecd-rootfs to disable it which we have for touch but do not have for desktop-next | 09:32 |
| Laney | so I'm not actually sure | 09:32 |
| seb128 | k | 09:33 |
| seb128 | so need to lower that to a suggests I gues | 09:33 |
| seb128 | s | 09:33 |
| Laney | the seeds are used to generate the Task: fields in the archive | 09:33 |
| Laney | so maybe the feature: only has an effect there | 09:33 |
| Laney | suggests> yeah I think so | 09:38 |
| seb128 | Laney, thanks | 09:38 |
| Laney | if it's a recommends in 'desktop' it will get followed by germinate and then passed directly to apt-get | 09:38 |
| Laney | if in touch-core then recommends will be ok | 09:38 |
| Laney | (didn't check) | 09:38 |
| seb128 | it's in desktop | 09:39 |
| seb128 | ubuntu-system-settings | 09:39 |
| Laney | k | 09:39 |
| darkxst | Laney when are you planning on uploading gtk 3.16? how soon? | 10:28 |
| Laney | 10 minutes? | 10:28 |
| Laney | :) | 10:28 |
| larsu | \o/ | 10:31 |
| darkxst | ok, but can you block it in proposed until we can get the gnome-shell and friends uploaded? | 10:31 |
| darkxst | or just breaks gnome-shell < 3.16 | 10:31 |
| Laney | how long are you going to be? | 10:32 |
| darkxst | I can probably get mutter and gnome-shell done this evening | 10:33 |
| Laney | ok, will add a breaks | 10:33 |
| Laney | just for you | 10:34 |
| Laney | ♥ | 10:34 |
| Laney | can't find the box that contains my flat pedals | 10:39 |
| Laney | seems to have gone missing in the house move | 10:39 |
| * Laney grr | 10:39 | |
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| darkxst | Laney, thanks, hopefully it doesnt go much deeper, I know gnome-session needs updatings, but that should mainly affect gdm I think | 10:46 |
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| * Laney makes larsu happy | 12:02 | |
| seb128 | oh? | 12:02 |
| larsu | oh! | 12:02 |
| larsu | gtk? | 12:02 |
| Laney | almost | 12:02 |
| Laney | check your lp emails | 12:03 |
| larsu | already approving | 12:03 |
| larsu | well, reading, really | 12:03 |
| * larsu dances while reading | 12:04 | |
| seb128 | lol | 12:05 |
| seb128 | be ready to get more work :-) | 12:05 |
| seb128 | I should update to that version and start listing the issues I see :p | 12:05 |
| * larsu unsubscribes from bugs | 12:06 | |
| seb128 | roh | 12:07 |
| * seb128 goes for IRC nagging instead | 12:07 | |
| larsu | hehe | 12:10 |
| larsu | Laney: the block starting at line 1021 in the diff should stay, no? | 12:15 |
| larsu | Laney: IGNORE ME | 12:15 |
| Laney | lemme ... ok! | 12:15 |
| larsu | reindent moved the block down | 12:15 |
| Laney | it's possible I made a mistake | 12:15 |
| Laney | when deleting lots of things like that it's easy to accidentally kill the wrong thing | 12:15 |
| larsu | ya | 12:16 |
| Laney | especially when some are ifndef and some are ifdef | 12:16 |
| larsu | Laney: did you autoindent or something? I wonder if the indent style was inconsistent before or your editor messed it up | 12:17 |
| Laney | it's possible, | 12:19 |
| Laney | I probably reindented using "=" when deleting blocks | 12:20 |
| Laney | might have forgotten to set stuff | 12:20 |
| larsu | Laney: cino=(0,{s,>2s,e-s,^-1s,n-s,t0 | 12:20 |
| larsu | braces are in the wrong column | 12:21 |
| larsu | and that messes up the (otherwise awesome) diff in that one place | 12:21 |
| Laney | whatever does that mean | 12:21 |
| larsu | gnu style please | 12:21 |
| larsu | is what that means in vi-speak | 12:21 |
| Laney | is cino some vim thing? | 12:21 |
| Laney | I don't know about it | 12:22 |
| larsu | cinoptions | 12:22 |
| larsu | indentation options for c | 12:22 |
| larsu | it's ... complicated | 12:22 |
| larsu | Laney: I can reindent and send you a branch | 12:23 |
| Laney | might be easier | 12:23 |
| larsu | hm, some of that was wrong indentation in the first place | 12:27 |
| Laney | lunch, will look when I'm back | 12:29 |
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| darkxst | Laney, I've merged mutter and gnome-shell (should be ready to upload), will require gsettings-desktop-schemas update first though | 12:42 |
| darkxst | Laney, I wont have time to look at that tonight, maybe Noskcaj can in the morning if you don't get to it first | 12:45 |
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| Laney | darkxst: ok, I probably can do if it's simple | 13:43 |
| seb128 | Laney, larsu, can you look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gtk+3.0/+bug/1448969/comments/18 ? | 14:21 |
| ubot5 | Launchpad bug 1448969 in gtk+3.0 (Ubuntu Utopic) "GTK3 can't resize treeviewcolumn" [Undecided,Fix committed] | 14:21 |
| Laney | I got an email about it | 14:22 |
| Laney | they mostly don't have very much information | 14:25 |
| Laney | and then there are things like https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/trusty-adt-update-manager/lastBuild/ARCH=amd64,label=adt/console | 14:25 |
| larsu | weird stuff :/ | 14:36 |
| larsu | that upload wasn't very intrusive, was it? | 14:36 |
| Laney | we aren't starting from a clean baseline | 14:39 |
| Laney | nor is the infrastructure particularly reliable | 14:39 |
| Laney | soooooooooo it's likely to be false positives | 14:39 |
| * larsu nods | 14:40 | |
| seb128 | Laney, larsu, soooo | 16:43 |
| seb128 | I upgraded to new gtk&co from the ppa ww | 16:44 |
| seb128 | where are my scrollbars?! | 16:44 |
| mitya57 | larsu: (sorry, was away) every symbols file has something like this in the header | 16:57 |
| mitya57 | libQt5Concurrent.so.5 libqt5concurrent5 #MINVER# | 16:57 |
| mitya57 | | libqt5concurrent5 #MINVER#, qtbase-abi-5-4-1 | 16:57 |
| mitya57 | the "1" means that dpkg should look at the line #1 and add a dependency not only on library package, but also on abi package | 16:57 |
| mitya57 | larsu: By the way you can override the generated shlibs:Depends in your rules file, just after a dh_shlibdeps call | 16:59 |
| mitya57 | And it looks like nobody wants to make the script slower (and more hackish), so it's unlikely that we'll be able to change the behavior | 17:00 |
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| willcooke | g'night | 17:38 |
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| andyrock | seb128: ping | 18:10 |
| seb128 | hey andyrock | 18:11 |
| andyrock | seb128: hey do you happen to know who takes care of killing all applications on shutdown/logout? | 18:12 |
| andyrock | upstart/systemd or gnome-session? | 18:12 |
| desrt | andyrock: there are two mechanisms | 18:12 |
| desrt | most things in the session are connected either to x11 or dbus | 18:12 |
| desrt | so when the session bus or x server goes away they will die | 18:12 |
| desrt | but for lack of those, nothing explicitly goes around killing stuff | 18:12 |
| desrt | this is how screen sessions can stay alive, for example | 18:12 |
| andyrock | desrt: i'm looking for a way to make sure unity is the last thing to be killed | 18:13 |
| desrt | systemd causes some problems here because it _does_ kill stuff, according to cgroup membership... so using screen with systemd can be problematic | 18:13 |
| andyrock | at least before all the normal windows | 18:13 |
| desrt | andyrock: that's not really possible unless you start surfing the _NET_WM_PID properties on windows | 18:14 |
| desrt | various SM protocols do attempt to solve this, but of course that is opt-in | 18:14 |
| andyrock | the problem is that unity lockscreen allows to shutdown the pc | 18:15 |
| desrt | interesting. that's another story. | 18:15 |
| desrt | on shutdown everything really does get signal 15 (then 9) | 18:15 |
| andyrock | and during shutdown+lockscreen would be nice that the lockscreen would be the last thing to go away | 18:15 |
| desrt | and that is upstart/systemd | 18:15 |
| desrt | i think upstart had a mechanism to prevent processes from getting the axe during that process | 18:16 |
| desrt | not sure about systemd | 18:16 |
| andyrock | axe? | 18:17 |
| desrt | getting the axe = being killed, i mean | 18:17 |
| andyrock | https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/r5OMPlcD/ | 18:31 |
| andyrock | desrt: ^^^ | 18:31 |
| andyrock | looks like is just random | 18:31 |
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