[00:20] <jrwren> i always hated ironing shirts
[00:20] <jrwren> even though I love suiting up, I'm glad I'm a tshirt guy when I'm not suited up.
[00:26] <cscheib> I wear button downs most of the time now, and it's not so bad... although, no iron shirts are a myth, you've still either gotta iron em or deal with a bit of wrinklage
[00:26] <cscheib> I usually just skip ironing em.
[00:30] <jrwren> i used to too. :)
[00:31] <jrwren> its weird, I used to love my button ups, but then I fell into the wrong developer crowd, and I felt the need to conform to their fashion norms. I adopted t-shirts.
[00:41] <cscheib> heh
[00:41] <cscheib> I rarely leave the house in a t shirt
[00:41] <cscheib> polo, if anything
[01:10] <cmaloney> I wear polos at work and T-shirts the rest of the time
[01:11] <rick_h_> button ups ftw
[01:11] <rick_h_> I've gone the t-shirt -> button up route
[01:11] <cmaloney> And in the winter I wear sweaters with t-shirts underneath
[01:11] <cmaloney> Frankly I couldn't care less what people think of what I wear.
[01:11] <gamerchick02> i feel better at work when i've ironed my shirts
[01:11] <cmaloney> Just as long as it's not completely off-base.
[01:12] <cmaloney> and somewhat matches. :)
[01:12] <gamerchick02> sorry i was working on my pathfinder character
[01:12] <gamerchick02> yay for matching!
[01:12] <cmaloney> gamerchick02: Playing PF locally?
[01:12] <gamerchick02> at work actually
[01:12] <gamerchick02> we have a game going on thursdays at lunch
[01:12] <cmaloney> Ah, neat.
[01:12] <gamerchick02> yes! i'm a Kitsune in this game
[01:12] <gamerchick02>  Hunter. with a badger as a pet
[01:13] <cmaloney> Wonder if I could get a game started at work
[01:13] <cmaloney> something like Fiasco or some other one-shot.
[01:13] <gamerchick02> we're doing a long-ish game but breaking it up more
[01:16] <cmaloney> https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-4jcIDkFu9gg/VW46olSWMjI/AAAAAAAAgqU/3sZJ2sPmY10/w610-h343-no/15%2B-%2B1
[01:18] <gamerchick02> bwahahahaha
[01:20] <gamerchick02> that was hilarious!
[01:20] <cmaloney> :-l
[01:20] <cmaloney> ;)
[01:21] <gamerchick02> switching dice because my purple dice were being stupid last game
[01:23] <gamerchick02> going green and blue for this character
[01:25] <gamerchick02> i've not created a character for anything in the longest time. i spent probably from about 7 to 9 working on it tonight. oi
[01:36] <rick_h_> what do you call something that you all know but aren't saying explicitly?
[01:36] <rick_h_> I keep thinking assumption, but that's not really it
[01:36] <jrwren> SWEET!  I just scored 2 Intel PRO-1000 card from some guy down the road
[01:36] <jrwren> I <3 the internet.
[01:36] <jrwren> he just posted on some group email list i'm on.
[01:36] <rick_h_> jrwren: <3
[01:53] <cmaloney> rick_h_: implicit knowledge
[01:53] <gamerchick02> rick_h_: kind of like an observation?
[01:54] <rick_h_> cmaloney: gamerchick02 no, but yea you guys get the idea. I swear there's some work out there
[01:54] <rick_h_> like acknowledgement, or matter of fact, or something but my english is fail
[01:54] <cmaloney> a priori knowledge
[01:54] <gamerchick02> you swear there's work out there? you know you can contact my mom and she can put you to work...
[01:54] <gamerchick02> :-P
[01:55] <rick_h_> gamerchick02: :P word
[01:55] <cmaloney> up
[01:56] <gamerchick02> hee
[01:56] <cmaloney> jrwren: Awesome re: the network cards.
[01:57] <gamerchick02> yes!
[01:57] <gamerchick02> free or cheap?
[01:57]  * cmaloney is trying to find someone local that has access to some Sinclair hardware that isn't a Timex TS1000
[01:57] <jrwren> free
[01:58] <gamerchick02> free is best
[01:58] <jrwren> i don't know if I have empty slots for it in my computer. I've already got 5 Gbit ports and a 100Mbit port :)
[01:58] <cmaloney> Sadly everything I'm finding is in the UK and when you get done converting GBP into USD and add shipping it's a fucking mint
[01:59] <cmaloney> jrwren: What the hell? HOw many networks are you running?
[01:59] <gamerchick02> OH if anyone in here works at Chrysler and is interested in Pathfinder, i have a group i meet with on Thursdays
[01:59] <jrwren> cmaloney: just one.
[01:59] <gamerchick02> why do you need that many cards?
[01:59] <cmaloney> gamerchick02: Sadly no to both. :)
[02:00] <gamerchick02> sadly. but you *could* come as a visitor and i could escort you to the room... hah!
[02:00] <jrwren> at one point it was because I didn't want a switch and cables hanging everywhere, so everything went to the 1 server, which switched for me.
[02:00] <gamerchick02> that's actually kind of brilliant
[02:00] <jrwren> now I think I may bond some channels between some systems.
[02:00] <cmaloney> gamerchick02: That would require me to be interested in Pathfinder. I'd rather play other games. :)
[02:00] <gamerchick02> ah! well, i've not played an RPG in forever so i kind of jumped at this one.
[02:01] <gamerchick02> would have done a White Wolf campaign too
[02:01] <cmaloney> I want to find a 13th age campaign without having to start one
[02:01] <cmaloney> sadly that's a little trickier
[02:01] <gamerchick02> i almost wish we were still doing the long-running Rifts game i was in while i was in college
[02:01] <gamerchick02> ah college
[02:01] <cmaloney> Hah, Rifts
[02:01] <gamerchick02> that was AWESOME
[02:02] <cmaloney> where the setting is importat and the system doesn't matter.
[02:02] <gamerchick02> i was a techno-wizard who rode a motorcycle and could fix ANYTHING
[02:02] <gamerchick02> i was like an engineer who had magic, and honestly, i'm half that right now. i wish i was magic.
[02:02] <cmaloney> heh
[02:04] <gamerchick02> i've played Shadowrun (that character was a hacker), Lo5R (samauri!), RuneQuest (i was a duck), D&D (multiple characters), WW mage and vampire one-shots...
[02:04] <cmaloney> Yay Runequest!
[02:04] <gamerchick02> i was a DUCK!!
[02:04] <gamerchick02> i had armor and everything!!
[02:05] <cmaloney> I've come to appreciate the RuneQuest system
[02:05] <cmaloney> Glorantha makes me want to hurt people though
[02:05] <cmaloney> RuneQuest 6 and OpenQuest are pretty sweet
[02:05] <gamerchick02> and the puns would go really well: "hey, put the party's drinks on my bill." (get it... MY BILL?!?! haw haw haw!!)
[02:05] <gamerchick02> it was only a one-shot game
[02:06] <cmaloney> Still, <3 RuneQuest
[02:07] <cmaloney> Also <3: Fate Core, Dungeon World / Apocalypse World, D6, GURPS, GUMSHOE, and FUDGE
[02:07] <cmaloney> and Eclipse Phase.
[02:07] <gamerchick02> GURPS!!
[02:07] <gamerchick02> yay!
[02:07] <gamerchick02> i'd like to do more GURPS
[02:08] <cmaloney> Same
[02:08] <gamerchick02> we did a big eyes small mouth one-shot too
[02:08] <cmaloney> also <3 talislanta
[02:09] <gamerchick02> :)
[02:10] <cmaloney> Mostly because they released it CC-BY-NC-ND
[02:12] <gamerchick02> yes
[02:12] <cmaloney> http://talislanta.com/
[02:13] <gamerchick02> thank you
[02:13] <gamerchick02> we also did a D6 one shot
[02:13] <cmaloney> np
[02:13] <cmaloney> D6 is pretty sweet
[02:13] <cmaloney> http://www.breachworld.com/
[02:13] <cmaloney> This has been called Rifts for D6
[02:14] <gamerchick02> oooo
[02:14] <gamerchick02> like i need MORE games to play. :-P
[02:14] <cmaloney> heh
[02:14] <gamerchick02> i'll stick with pathfinder right now
[12:32] <cmaloney> Good morning
[12:32] <rick_h_> morning
[12:43] <mrgoodcat> morn
[12:47] <_stink_> yo
[12:48] <cmaloney> CHC Tonight. :)
[12:48]  * _stink_ shrinks into the shadows
[12:48] <cmaloney> _stink_: You get a pass for another 4 years.
[12:48] <cmaloney> Make the best of it.
[12:49] <cmaloney> ;)
[12:52] <_stink_> i... will try.
[12:53] <mrgoodcat> i feel bad about CHC
[12:53] <mrgoodcat> I would say i've been busy but that just feels like a bad excuse
[12:53] <mrgoodcat> i live an hour away from CHC now though
[12:53] <cmaloney> mrgoodcat: Has life settled down any?
[12:54] <cmaloney> mrgoodcat: I used to live an hor away from CHC
[12:54] <cmaloney> it's do-able. :)
[12:54] <cmaloney> rick_h_ lives an hour away.
[12:54] <cmaloney> Also: did you move recently?
[13:03] <wolfger> I just don't even code anymore :-(  Not that I ever really did. Not like everybody else.
[13:03] <wolfger> but if you start up Beer House Brewers meetings, call me! :-D
[13:05] <cmaloney> You can still come to the coders meeting
[13:06] <wolfger> I used to dodge it because I felt like an imposter. Now I know I'm an imposter. I can't even remember how to write Perl without hitting google.
[13:07] <wolfger> My current career ambition is to milk my IT job until I can afford to open a brewery.
[13:08] <wolfger> or until I find wealthy investors that will enable my dream
[13:13] <brousch> You will miss the brewery bubble if you wait much longer
[13:15] <mrgoodcat> cmaloney: life is settled-ish
[13:15] <mrgoodcat> i moved in with $gf
[13:15] <mrgoodcat> mom is stable again
[13:15] <mrgoodcat> parents divorced though
[13:15] <mrgoodcat> so better but not ideal i guess
[13:16] <jrwren> wolfger: you don't code AT ALL!?!?!
[13:18] <wolfger> I coded some VBA about... 4 months ago?
[13:19] <wolfger> brousch: I've been hearing about the brewery bubble for years. And every year Michigan breweries increase sales and production. The bubble is a myth.
[13:19] <jrwren> i can't live without coding. I get some idea for how something could be better, adn I go do it. Especially little things, becuase they sound little, and so I feel the MUST be done.
[13:19] <wolfger> people will never stop drinking beer
[13:19] <jrwren> the bubble is in big beer, and it lasted for 50yrs. Its bursting.
[13:21] <wolfger> I'm still a few years out from being able to make a serious go at it, sadly. In the meantime, I practice the craft and study the business.
[13:22] <wolfger> The hard part of running a successful brewery will not be "making good beer".
[13:23] <brousch> Where will you open it?
[13:23] <rick_h_> wolfger: don't feel bad. I don't code any more and actually spent the weekend thinking of how to shut down bookie.io.
[13:24] <wolfger> :-o
[13:24] <brousch> wat?!
[13:25] <wolfger> brousch: there's currently no breweries near where I live. That meshes nicely with my desire to have a job where I ride my bicycle to work. :-)
[13:25] <rick_h_> I've not done a bookie commit in some 6mo? and it's costing me $200/mo
[13:25] <rick_h_> it's into unmanged territory and I don't have time for it.
[13:26] <brousch> Gratipay is changed now, so that $0.25/wk I donated won't get to you
[13:26] <rick_h_> yea, I killed my account there
[13:26] <rick_h_> brousch: so that was you! :)
[13:26] <rick_h_> ty for that. I used it to donate to others that did software I used like the pyramid folks and mike bayer
[13:27] <brousch> To kill bookie, all you have to do is insert annoying ads and inject malware downloads
[13:28] <rick_h_> heh, I don't think it's all that alive as it is
[13:28] <wolfger> lol
[13:28] <rick_h_> but yea, expect to see an email shortly with a 'here's your export options, run your own, etc'
[13:29] <brousch> So you've become so manager that you no longer code?
[13:29] <rick_h_> pretty much, and no time for coding in my spare time with other things going on
[13:29] <rick_h_> and spending the $$ a month to run it is jsut something I should cut from my expenses
[13:29] <brousch> Yeah, that's a big expense
[13:30] <brousch> Could maybe be justified when it was a hobby
[13:30] <rick_h_> I mean for what I pay for bookie it'd pay all my cell phone, mifi, and streaming services
[13:30] <rick_h_> right
[13:30] <rick_h_> I used to justify it as if I went golfing I'd spend as much
[13:30] <wolfger> Yeah...
[13:30] <rick_h_> but I don't spend time on it so it's just sinking $$ to keep folks happy with performance
[13:30] <wolfger> so... taking up golf?
[13:30] <brousch> I like golf
[13:31] <rick_h_> no, but fishing, getting a kayak, and with the camping/photography/woodworking more than enough stuff to spend my time on
[13:31] <wolfger> I still haven't played a second game of golf, but I will some day. I've been hitting driving ranges just working on not sucking
[13:31] <rick_h_> hah good luck at that
[13:31] <rick_h_> when I play gold I just equate it with sucking
[13:32] <wolfger> my definition of "not sucking" is probably a lot more generous than other people's, too. ;-)
[13:33] <brousch> It's OK if you suck. Just play at cheap courses with other friends who suck
[13:33] <jrwren> i decided i hate golf. I gave it a go.
[13:33] <rick_h_> it's a good way to get outdoors a bit
[13:33] <phwelo> jrwren: i have to go with my father all of the time.  it's awful
[13:33] <rick_h_> I do more fishing/camping but golf serves a purpose
[13:33] <jrwren> i get outdoors to cut my grass.
[13:33] <rick_h_> lol
[13:34] <phwelo> BUT if you get really drunk first and take a cart it's easier to just give up and ride around
[13:34] <rick_h_> not sure that counts
[13:34] <brousch> jrwren: I have some outdoors work for you if you have 45 minutes
[13:34] <rick_h_> https://www.flickr.com/photos/7508761@N03/18397073015/in/datetaken/ (outdoors)
[13:34] <jrwren> brousch: if you mean cutting your grass. I'd consider it, but the drive is so far.
[13:35] <wolfger> I have seen that some courses now use these snowboard-ish single person carts. I think that's nifty.
[13:36] <wolfger> a bit more exercise than normal carts, but less than walking.
[13:40] <jrwren> no wheels?
[13:40] <rick_h_> walking golf ftw
[13:40] <rick_h_> but courses aren't liking as much because you play slower
[13:40] <rick_h_> :(
[13:43] <jrwren> disc golf i might like?
[13:44] <brousch> It's not really more exciting than golf, just cheaper
[13:46] <wolfger> jrwren: ok, more like a skateboard than a snowboard I guess. :-p
[13:46] <wolfger> pedant
[13:46] <wolfger> disc golf is awesome!
[13:47] <wolfger> although losing one in the water is considerably worse than losing a ball in the water
[13:47] <jrwren> wolfger: i was honestly asking, because I'd be surprised if golf courses would like something sliding across their greens.
[13:51] <wolfger> https://youtu.be/B9VuKK5sbQo
[13:51] <rick_h_> lol golf segway
[13:53] <jrwren> bwahahaha
[13:54] <wolfger> I mean, that looks so much more fun than the actual game!
[13:55] <rick_h_> wolfger: turns golf into polo
[13:55] <wolfger> rofl
[13:55] <wolfger> a new meaning for "golf scramble"
[13:56] <wolfger> no waiting for other people to take their shots. Everybody tee off at once and first one in the hole wins.
[13:56] <wolfger> helmet required
[14:01] <cmaloney> rick_h_: LMK if I can help in any way with Bookie.
[14:01] <cmaloney> I've been slacking in my contributions.
[14:02] <cmaloney> I'd hate to see the project wither but I can completely understand the reasoning
[14:02] <rick_h_> cmaloney: yea, just life moved on here
[14:02] <rick_h_> cmaloney: won't be out at CHC tonight heads up
[14:02] <rick_h_> but nothing on MUG night for the first time in a while :)
[14:03] <cmaloney> Understandable.
[14:03] <rick_h_> so maybe make that
[14:03] <cmaloney> Woo woo!
[14:03] <cmaloney> Last week's CHC was... interesting
[14:03] <rick_h_> lol
[14:03] <rick_h_> how so?
[14:03] <cmaloney> Apparently there was a fashion show scheduled from 5ish to 8:30pm
[14:04] <cmaloney> some charity thing
[14:04] <cmaloney> so the place was packed.
[14:04] <cmaloney> Ended up being James and I meeting at my house.
[14:08] <cmaloney> But yeah, I was rather confused at the number of people in the coffeeshop.
[14:14] <_stink_> maybe there were all there for CHC
[14:15] <cmaloney> riiiiight
[14:16] <rick_h_> :)
[15:31] <cmaloney> brousch: Dammit
[15:31] <cmaloney> I'm resigning
[15:31] <brousch> I told you you had problems on the left and right!
[15:33] <cmaloney> Yeah, well I have a complete blind-spot to those edges. :(
[15:34] <brousch> They seem safe, but can be big problems
[15:42] <brousch> cmaloney: Your resignation bumped me up to 24k
[15:43] <cmaloney> Yay
[15:44] <cmaloney> Pretty sure I'm going to be at 50kyu soon. ;)
[16:03] <mrgoodcat> rolling comcast outages in your area
[16:03] <mrgoodcat> pretty much the worst day
[16:12] <cmaloney> :(
[16:12] <cmaloney> https://plus.google.com/+CraigMaloney/posts/7Lebs5ykgf2
[16:12] <cmaloney> Here's some emergency cat photos
[16:15] <mrgoodcat> lol
[16:15] <mrgoodcat> <3 cats
[16:16] <mrgoodcat> lunch time
[17:29] <ColonelPanic001> <3 cats
[17:45] <_stink_> ..
[17:45] <rick_h_> I wish cats would die
[17:46] <rick_h_> especially after about...8 years
[17:46] <_stink_> haha
[18:06] <ColonelPanic001> ...
[18:06] <cmaloney> rick_h_: now now
[18:07] <cmaloney> Just because my cat is a spoiled brat doesn't mean you can't love her. :)
[18:09] <jrwren> i say that about my daughter every day.
[18:11] <phwelo> hm, got an interview at Ford.  anyone know anyone in IT over there?
[18:12] <greg-g> jrwren: hah
[18:12] <jrwren> phwelo: i'm so soarry :)
[18:13] <phwelo> i mean i already have a good stable job. the raise would be helpful but not OMFGMYLIFEROCKS helpful
[18:15] <wolfger> phwelo: I'm not sure, actually. Many of my coworkers are working on Ford projects, but they aren't Ford. I know some others, but they may or may not be Ford either. :-p
[18:16] <wolfger> when I was there briefly, I was in, essentially, "the outsource department". Everybody around me was non-Ford.
[18:17] <phwelo> wolfger: This would be "contract to hire" with a year contract
[18:17] <wolfger> hard to give up stable for that....
[18:17] <cscheib> phwelo: I"m sure I know someone over there
[18:18] <cscheib> what in IT would you be doing?
[18:18] <jrwren> phwelo: if it isn't a 50+% raise, its not worth going to the terrible, terrible place that is Ford. At least not for me, it isn't.
[18:18] <jrwren> come to think of it, I'd not do it for 50% more I'd need at least 100% more.
[18:19] <phwelo> here's the description if anyone's interested: http://pastebin.com/49745Tu7
[18:19] <cscheib> I haven't heard much great about Ford recently either
[18:19] <cscheib> Chrysler's (IBM) OK if you don't have to deal with upper management (Senior Managers/Directors/CxO)
[18:20] <phwelo> well i'm really interested in ditching the windows and SMB world and getting into a tech company, but have found it really hard to get myself the experience I need.  I'm kind of wondering if I can't use ford to learn more (while earning a decent salary) and then move to a company i'll like
[18:20] <cscheib> phwelo: ah, I got the recruiter from TekSystems wanting me to spam that to my Puppet group
[18:20] <cscheib> HPC stuff may actually be interesting
[18:21] <cscheib> and doing config management is pretty neat.
[18:21] <cscheib> phwelo: I may be able to get the pay range on that so you know what to ask for
[18:21] <phwelo> it's the space i want to be in, just not sure if i need to go as far as to work for a huge corporation to get that experience.
[18:21] <wolfger> all I know about Ford is, a bunch of Chrysler people jumped ship to go there. That's not exactly a ringing endorsement though.
[18:21] <phwelo> also, i drive a chevy, do i auto-lose?
[18:22] <cscheib> wolfger: how long ago?  that could have been force-jump due to CSC leaving and IBM coming n
[18:23] <jrwren> phwelo: oh that is sweet, ford's HPC group seemed pretty awesome.
[18:23] <cscheib> phwelo: don't expect preferred parking
[18:24] <wolfger> Ford seems much less anal about what their people drive than Chrysler is. At least, at the tech center in Dearborn
[18:24] <wolfger> csc ain't left yet
[18:25] <phwelo> yeah my wife was with porsche for a little bit and she said her parking situation sucked pretty bad
[18:26] <wolfger> These were all very-voluntary changes in the past 2 years
[18:26] <cscheib> oh? I know a lot of the CSC folk are gone, at least in infrastructure
[18:26] <cscheib> 2 years is around the time Chrysler started letting CSC know they were out :P
[18:26] <jrwren> she drove a porsche or she worked for htem?
[18:26] <wolfger> I work in systems. No changes in personnel there yet. Still a CSC show
[18:27] <wolfger> will probably be the last to go, since IBM won't have any experienced people in our in-house systems
[18:27] <phwelo> jrwren: worked, but they got to drive them as part of training.  it actually seriously changed her attitude toward cars & driving
[18:27] <wolfger> s/our/their/  I have to remember I'm not them anymore :-)
[18:27] <jrwren> phwelo: a porsche will do that :)
[18:28] <cmaloney> I worked at ford until 2003
[18:28] <phwelo> i've yet to drive one, but i already enjoy a quick car
[18:28] <phwelo> plan on owning one some day :|
[18:28] <cscheib> wolfger: ah.  I used to manage the storage/backup group for CSC, and I'm pretty sure that's officially hit EMC via IBM.  Haven't probed too much past that yet
[18:28] <cmaloney> Depending on the hiring mood you are unlikely to be hired.
[18:28] <cmaloney> I and myself were long-term contract help
[18:28] <cscheib> wolfger: /win 2
[18:28] <cscheib> errr
[18:28] <cscheib> oops.
[18:28] <phwelo> oh you mean off of the contract cmaloney ?
[18:28] <cmaloney> yes
[18:29] <cmaloney> So don't hold your breath on being hired in a year
[18:29] <cmaloney> (that may be different now but I doubt it)
[18:29] <phwelo> as long as salary and benefits i'm good
[18:29] <cmaloney> Also understand that Ford is $BIGCOMPANY
[18:30] <cmaloney> and they have varying levels of IT
[18:30] <cmaloney> and varying levels of folks in said IT departments
[18:30] <cmaloney> some are sharp as a tack
[18:30] <cmaloney> fucking brilliant
[18:30] <phwelo> yeah, oh yeah i understand that well
[18:30] <cmaloney> some are taking up space
[18:30] <cmaloney> depending on the department you may never see anyone who is brilliant
[18:31] <phwelo> i worked verizon from 1st level internal help to 2nd(3rd) level external help
[18:31] <cmaloney> just good at making their stuff work
[18:31] <cmaloney> (or good at bullshitting)
[18:35] <phwelo> hm, got a new job description that includes "evangelizing large-scale compute blah blah blah" that could be fun
[18:36] <mrgoodcat> it says 'evangelizing' in your job description?
[18:36] <cmaloney> Oh, it sounds like you'll be working in their cloud stuff
[18:36] <cmaloney> I think Gib is in there as well
[18:36] <phwelo> don't hate on my speeling
[18:36] <mrgoodcat> i wasn't hating on your spelling
[18:37] <mrgoodcat> i was referring to the fact that to evangelize is to convert someone to christianity
[18:37] <phwelo> they use it in tech all the time nowadays.  microsoft needs a lot of them
[18:37] <mrgoodcat> a lot of christians?
[18:38] <phwelo> no a lot of 'technology evangelists'
[18:38] <phwelo> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technology_evangelist
[18:39] <cmaloney> mrgoodcat: I think your point is a little subtle here. :)
[18:39] <cmaloney> but yes, that word got co-opted by the tech community even though it technically refers to spreading the Christian Gospel.
[18:40] <cmaloney> evangel being the root, which means Gospel.
[18:40] <phwelo> co-opted, good description
[18:40] <cmaloney> or the four gospels of Christianity.
[18:41] <cmaloney> bringing good news
[18:41] <_stink_> hey someone wth that job knocked on my door earlier today and gave me a piece of paper inviting me to some meeting
[18:41] <phwelo> webster has 3 defs of it
[18:41]  * cmaloney is using dict from the command line
[18:41] <cmaloney> _stink_: Do you have a moment to talk about our savior The Cloud?
[18:42]  * phwelo apt-get install dict
[18:42] <_stink_> no-sorry-i'm-busy-the-food-is-burning-someone-just-fell-down-the-stairs-goodbye *slam door*
[18:43] <cmaloney> But lo, I am sent by he who's nodes I am not worthy to provision
[18:43] <phwelo> if they're religious i've never had issues getting rid of them with a quick "i'm an avid atheist"
[18:43] <cmaloney> I just say I'm in market research
[18:44] <phwelo> unfortunately using similar logic on salespeople ("I'm broke") never works, huh
[18:44] <cmaloney> Broke just means you haven't heard about their financing options
[18:44] <_stink_> i have zero trouble with religious people... it's the fucking clean water action assholes
[18:44] <_stink_> that really piss me off
[18:45] <phwelo> i worked for them for a day!
[18:45] <phwelo> it was really weird and creeped me out so i quit
[18:45] <cmaloney> _stink_: I must be far enough north and east to not have dealt with them
[18:45] <_stink_> the save the children woman is very nice but i have resisted her charms
[18:45] <cmaloney> otherwise I'd throw a bottled water at them
[18:45] <_stink_> haha
[18:46] <cmaloney> and chase them with the hose
[18:46] <cmaloney> because irony.
[18:46] <_stink_> phwelo: i got into it with one of their people one year.  oh you're paid?  oh it's not a 501c3?  fuck off
[18:46] <cmaloney> Was this Charity Water?
[18:47] <phwelo> at the time i worked there their pay was more than reasonable and something along the lines of 95% of their revenue went to salary
[18:47] <_stink_> cmaloney: cleanwateraction.org
[18:47] <phwelo> so yeah, not gonna donate to you
[18:47] <cmaloney> yeah, fuck that shit.
[18:47] <_stink_> tchnically they are the type of non profit that can engage policitally
[18:47] <_stink_> politically
[18:47] <_stink_> whichever kind that is, i can't remember
[18:48] <phwelo> i believe that's all that they do, collect money from people door-to-door to pay their employees and then lobbyists
[18:50] <_stink_> im' glad my angry knee jerk wasn't too far off.
[18:51] <jrwren> a PAC?
[18:51] <jrwren> ugh.