[00:20] i always hated ironing shirts [00:20] even though I love suiting up, I'm glad I'm a tshirt guy when I'm not suited up. [00:26] I wear button downs most of the time now, and it's not so bad... although, no iron shirts are a myth, you've still either gotta iron em or deal with a bit of wrinklage [00:26] I usually just skip ironing em. [00:30] i used to too. :) [00:31] its weird, I used to love my button ups, but then I fell into the wrong developer crowd, and I felt the need to conform to their fashion norms. I adopted t-shirts. [00:41] heh [00:41] I rarely leave the house in a t shirt [00:41] polo, if anything [01:10] I wear polos at work and T-shirts the rest of the time [01:11] button ups ftw [01:11] I've gone the t-shirt -> button up route [01:11] And in the winter I wear sweaters with t-shirts underneath [01:11] Frankly I couldn't care less what people think of what I wear. [01:11] i feel better at work when i've ironed my shirts [01:11] Just as long as it's not completely off-base. [01:12] and somewhat matches. :) [01:12] sorry i was working on my pathfinder character [01:12] yay for matching! [01:12] gamerchick02: Playing PF locally? [01:12] at work actually [01:12] we have a game going on thursdays at lunch [01:12] Ah, neat. [01:12] yes! i'm a Kitsune in this game [01:12] Hunter. with a badger as a pet [01:13] Wonder if I could get a game started at work [01:13] something like Fiasco or some other one-shot. [01:13] we're doing a long-ish game but breaking it up more [01:16] https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-4jcIDkFu9gg/VW46olSWMjI/AAAAAAAAgqU/3sZJ2sPmY10/w610-h343-no/15%2B-%2B1 [01:18] bwahahahaha [01:20] that was hilarious! [01:20] :-l [01:20] ;) [01:21] switching dice because my purple dice were being stupid last game [01:23] going green and blue for this character [01:25] i've not created a character for anything in the longest time. i spent probably from about 7 to 9 working on it tonight. oi [01:36] what do you call something that you all know but aren't saying explicitly? [01:36] I keep thinking assumption, but that's not really it [01:36] SWEET! I just scored 2 Intel PRO-1000 card from some guy down the road [01:36] I <3 the internet. [01:36] he just posted on some group email list i'm on. [01:36] jrwren: <3 [01:53] rick_h_: implicit knowledge [01:53] rick_h_: kind of like an observation? [01:54] cmaloney: gamerchick02 no, but yea you guys get the idea. I swear there's some work out there [01:54] like acknowledgement, or matter of fact, or something but my english is fail [01:54] a priori knowledge [01:54] you swear there's work out there? you know you can contact my mom and she can put you to work... [01:54] :-P [01:55] gamerchick02: :P word [01:55] up [01:56] hee [01:56] jrwren: Awesome re: the network cards. [01:57] yes! [01:57] free or cheap? [01:57] * cmaloney is trying to find someone local that has access to some Sinclair hardware that isn't a Timex TS1000 [01:57] free [01:58] free is best [01:58] i don't know if I have empty slots for it in my computer. I've already got 5 Gbit ports and a 100Mbit port :) [01:58] Sadly everything I'm finding is in the UK and when you get done converting GBP into USD and add shipping it's a fucking mint [01:59] jrwren: What the hell? HOw many networks are you running? [01:59] OH if anyone in here works at Chrysler and is interested in Pathfinder, i have a group i meet with on Thursdays [01:59] cmaloney: just one. [01:59] why do you need that many cards? [01:59] gamerchick02: Sadly no to both. :) [02:00] sadly. but you *could* come as a visitor and i could escort you to the room... hah! [02:00] at one point it was because I didn't want a switch and cables hanging everywhere, so everything went to the 1 server, which switched for me. [02:00] that's actually kind of brilliant [02:00] now I think I may bond some channels between some systems. [02:00] gamerchick02: That would require me to be interested in Pathfinder. I'd rather play other games. :) [02:00] ah! well, i've not played an RPG in forever so i kind of jumped at this one. [02:01] would have done a White Wolf campaign too [02:01] I want to find a 13th age campaign without having to start one [02:01] sadly that's a little trickier [02:01] i almost wish we were still doing the long-running Rifts game i was in while i was in college [02:01] ah college [02:01] Hah, Rifts [02:01] that was AWESOME [02:02] where the setting is importat and the system doesn't matter. [02:02] i was a techno-wizard who rode a motorcycle and could fix ANYTHING [02:02] i was like an engineer who had magic, and honestly, i'm half that right now. i wish i was magic. [02:02] heh [02:04] i've played Shadowrun (that character was a hacker), Lo5R (samauri!), RuneQuest (i was a duck), D&D (multiple characters), WW mage and vampire one-shots... [02:04] Yay Runequest! [02:04] i was a DUCK!! [02:04] i had armor and everything!! [02:05] I've come to appreciate the RuneQuest system [02:05] Glorantha makes me want to hurt people though [02:05] RuneQuest 6 and OpenQuest are pretty sweet [02:05] and the puns would go really well: "hey, put the party's drinks on my bill." (get it... MY BILL?!?! haw haw haw!!) [02:05] it was only a one-shot game [02:06] Still, <3 RuneQuest [02:07] Also <3: Fate Core, Dungeon World / Apocalypse World, D6, GURPS, GUMSHOE, and FUDGE [02:07] and Eclipse Phase. [02:07] GURPS!! [02:07] yay! [02:07] i'd like to do more GURPS [02:08] Same [02:08] we did a big eyes small mouth one-shot too [02:08] also <3 talislanta [02:09] :) [02:10] Mostly because they released it CC-BY-NC-ND [02:12] yes [02:12] http://talislanta.com/ [02:13] thank you [02:13] we also did a D6 one shot [02:13] np [02:13] D6 is pretty sweet [02:13] http://www.breachworld.com/ [02:13] This has been called Rifts for D6 [02:14] oooo [02:14] like i need MORE games to play. :-P [02:14] heh [02:14] i'll stick with pathfinder right now [12:32] Good morning [12:32] morning [12:43] morn [12:47] <_stink_> yo [12:48] CHC Tonight. :) [12:48] * _stink_ shrinks into the shadows [12:48] _stink_: You get a pass for another 4 years. [12:48] Make the best of it. [12:49] ;) [12:52] <_stink_> i... will try. [12:53] i feel bad about CHC [12:53] I would say i've been busy but that just feels like a bad excuse [12:53] i live an hour away from CHC now though [12:53] mrgoodcat: Has life settled down any? [12:54] mrgoodcat: I used to live an hor away from CHC [12:54] it's do-able. :) [12:54] rick_h_ lives an hour away. [12:54] Also: did you move recently? [13:03] I just don't even code anymore :-( Not that I ever really did. Not like everybody else. [13:03] but if you start up Beer House Brewers meetings, call me! :-D [13:05] You can still come to the coders meeting [13:06] I used to dodge it because I felt like an imposter. Now I know I'm an imposter. I can't even remember how to write Perl without hitting google. [13:07] My current career ambition is to milk my IT job until I can afford to open a brewery. [13:08] or until I find wealthy investors that will enable my dream [13:13] You will miss the brewery bubble if you wait much longer [13:15] cmaloney: life is settled-ish [13:15] i moved in with $gf [13:15] mom is stable again [13:15] parents divorced though [13:15] so better but not ideal i guess [13:16] wolfger: you don't code AT ALL!?!?! [13:18] I coded some VBA about... 4 months ago? [13:19] brousch: I've been hearing about the brewery bubble for years. And every year Michigan breweries increase sales and production. The bubble is a myth. [13:19] i can't live without coding. I get some idea for how something could be better, adn I go do it. Especially little things, becuase they sound little, and so I feel the MUST be done. [13:19] people will never stop drinking beer [13:19] the bubble is in big beer, and it lasted for 50yrs. Its bursting. [13:21] I'm still a few years out from being able to make a serious go at it, sadly. In the meantime, I practice the craft and study the business. [13:22] The hard part of running a successful brewery will not be "making good beer". [13:23] Where will you open it? [13:23] wolfger: don't feel bad. I don't code any more and actually spent the weekend thinking of how to shut down bookie.io. [13:24] :-o [13:24] wat?! [13:25] brousch: there's currently no breweries near where I live. That meshes nicely with my desire to have a job where I ride my bicycle to work. :-) [13:25] I've not done a bookie commit in some 6mo? and it's costing me $200/mo [13:25] it's into unmanged territory and I don't have time for it. [13:26] Gratipay is changed now, so that $0.25/wk I donated won't get to you [13:26] yea, I killed my account there [13:26] brousch: so that was you! :) [13:26] ty for that. I used it to donate to others that did software I used like the pyramid folks and mike bayer [13:27] To kill bookie, all you have to do is insert annoying ads and inject malware downloads [13:28] heh, I don't think it's all that alive as it is [13:28] lol [13:28] but yea, expect to see an email shortly with a 'here's your export options, run your own, etc' [13:29] So you've become so manager that you no longer code? [13:29] pretty much, and no time for coding in my spare time with other things going on [13:29] and spending the $$ a month to run it is jsut something I should cut from my expenses [13:29] Yeah, that's a big expense [13:30] Could maybe be justified when it was a hobby [13:30] I mean for what I pay for bookie it'd pay all my cell phone, mifi, and streaming services [13:30] right [13:30] I used to justify it as if I went golfing I'd spend as much [13:30] Yeah... [13:30] but I don't spend time on it so it's just sinking $$ to keep folks happy with performance [13:30] so... taking up golf? [13:30] I like golf [13:31] no, but fishing, getting a kayak, and with the camping/photography/woodworking more than enough stuff to spend my time on [13:31] I still haven't played a second game of golf, but I will some day. I've been hitting driving ranges just working on not sucking [13:31] hah good luck at that [13:31] when I play gold I just equate it with sucking [13:32] my definition of "not sucking" is probably a lot more generous than other people's, too. ;-) [13:33] It's OK if you suck. Just play at cheap courses with other friends who suck [13:33] i decided i hate golf. I gave it a go. [13:33] it's a good way to get outdoors a bit [13:33] jrwren: i have to go with my father all of the time. it's awful [13:33] I do more fishing/camping but golf serves a purpose [13:33] i get outdoors to cut my grass. [13:33] lol [13:34] BUT if you get really drunk first and take a cart it's easier to just give up and ride around [13:34] not sure that counts [13:34] jrwren: I have some outdoors work for you if you have 45 minutes [13:34] https://www.flickr.com/photos/7508761@N03/18397073015/in/datetaken/ (outdoors) [13:34] brousch: if you mean cutting your grass. I'd consider it, but the drive is so far. [13:35] I have seen that some courses now use these snowboard-ish single person carts. I think that's nifty. [13:36] a bit more exercise than normal carts, but less than walking. [13:40] no wheels? [13:40] walking golf ftw [13:40] but courses aren't liking as much because you play slower [13:40] :( [13:43] disc golf i might like? [13:44] It's not really more exciting than golf, just cheaper [13:46] jrwren: ok, more like a skateboard than a snowboard I guess. :-p [13:46] pedant [13:46] disc golf is awesome! [13:47] although losing one in the water is considerably worse than losing a ball in the water [13:47] wolfger: i was honestly asking, because I'd be surprised if golf courses would like something sliding across their greens. [13:51] https://youtu.be/B9VuKK5sbQo [13:51] lol golf segway [13:53] bwahahaha [13:54] I mean, that looks so much more fun than the actual game! [13:55] wolfger: turns golf into polo [13:55] rofl [13:55] a new meaning for "golf scramble" [13:56] no waiting for other people to take their shots. Everybody tee off at once and first one in the hole wins. [13:56] helmet required [14:01] rick_h_: LMK if I can help in any way with Bookie. [14:01] I've been slacking in my contributions. [14:02] I'd hate to see the project wither but I can completely understand the reasoning [14:02] cmaloney: yea, just life moved on here [14:02] cmaloney: won't be out at CHC tonight heads up [14:02] but nothing on MUG night for the first time in a while :) [14:03] Understandable. [14:03] so maybe make that [14:03] Woo woo! [14:03] Last week's CHC was... interesting [14:03] lol [14:03] how so? [14:03] Apparently there was a fashion show scheduled from 5ish to 8:30pm [14:04] some charity thing [14:04] so the place was packed. [14:04] Ended up being James and I meeting at my house. [14:08] But yeah, I was rather confused at the number of people in the coffeeshop. [14:14] <_stink_> maybe there were all there for CHC [14:15] riiiiight [14:16] :) [15:31] brousch: Dammit [15:31] I'm resigning [15:31] I told you you had problems on the left and right! [15:33] Yeah, well I have a complete blind-spot to those edges. :( [15:34] They seem safe, but can be big problems [15:42] cmaloney: Your resignation bumped me up to 24k [15:43] Yay [15:44] Pretty sure I'm going to be at 50kyu soon. ;) [16:03] rolling comcast outages in your area [16:03] pretty much the worst day [16:12] :( [16:12] https://plus.google.com/+CraigMaloney/posts/7Lebs5ykgf2 [16:12] Here's some emergency cat photos [16:15] lol [16:15] <3 cats [16:16] lunch time [17:29] <3 cats [17:45] <_stink_> .. [17:45] I wish cats would die [17:46] especially after about...8 years [17:46] <_stink_> haha [18:06] ... [18:06] rick_h_: now now [18:07] Just because my cat is a spoiled brat doesn't mean you can't love her. :) [18:09] i say that about my daughter every day. [18:11] hm, got an interview at Ford. anyone know anyone in IT over there? [18:12] jrwren: hah [18:12] phwelo: i'm so soarry :) [18:13] i mean i already have a good stable job. the raise would be helpful but not OMFGMYLIFEROCKS helpful [18:15] phwelo: I'm not sure, actually. Many of my coworkers are working on Ford projects, but they aren't Ford. I know some others, but they may or may not be Ford either. :-p [18:16] when I was there briefly, I was in, essentially, "the outsource department". Everybody around me was non-Ford. [18:17] wolfger: This would be "contract to hire" with a year contract [18:17] hard to give up stable for that.... [18:17] phwelo: I"m sure I know someone over there [18:18] what in IT would you be doing? [18:18] phwelo: if it isn't a 50+% raise, its not worth going to the terrible, terrible place that is Ford. At least not for me, it isn't. [18:18] come to think of it, I'd not do it for 50% more I'd need at least 100% more. [18:19] here's the description if anyone's interested: http://pastebin.com/49745Tu7 [18:19] I haven't heard much great about Ford recently either [18:19] Chrysler's (IBM) OK if you don't have to deal with upper management (Senior Managers/Directors/CxO) [18:20] well i'm really interested in ditching the windows and SMB world and getting into a tech company, but have found it really hard to get myself the experience I need. I'm kind of wondering if I can't use ford to learn more (while earning a decent salary) and then move to a company i'll like [18:20] phwelo: ah, I got the recruiter from TekSystems wanting me to spam that to my Puppet group [18:20] HPC stuff may actually be interesting [18:21] and doing config management is pretty neat. [18:21] phwelo: I may be able to get the pay range on that so you know what to ask for [18:21] it's the space i want to be in, just not sure if i need to go as far as to work for a huge corporation to get that experience. [18:21] all I know about Ford is, a bunch of Chrysler people jumped ship to go there. That's not exactly a ringing endorsement though. [18:21] also, i drive a chevy, do i auto-lose? [18:22] wolfger: how long ago? that could have been force-jump due to CSC leaving and IBM coming n [18:23] phwelo: oh that is sweet, ford's HPC group seemed pretty awesome. [18:23] phwelo: don't expect preferred parking [18:24] Ford seems much less anal about what their people drive than Chrysler is. At least, at the tech center in Dearborn [18:24] csc ain't left yet [18:25] yeah my wife was with porsche for a little bit and she said her parking situation sucked pretty bad [18:26] These were all very-voluntary changes in the past 2 years [18:26] oh? I know a lot of the CSC folk are gone, at least in infrastructure [18:26] 2 years is around the time Chrysler started letting CSC know they were out :P [18:26] she drove a porsche or she worked for htem? [18:26] I work in systems. No changes in personnel there yet. Still a CSC show [18:27] will probably be the last to go, since IBM won't have any experienced people in our in-house systems [18:27] jrwren: worked, but they got to drive them as part of training. it actually seriously changed her attitude toward cars & driving [18:27] s/our/their/ I have to remember I'm not them anymore :-) [18:27] phwelo: a porsche will do that :) [18:28] I worked at ford until 2003 [18:28] i've yet to drive one, but i already enjoy a quick car [18:28] plan on owning one some day :| [18:28] wolfger: ah. I used to manage the storage/backup group for CSC, and I'm pretty sure that's officially hit EMC via IBM. Haven't probed too much past that yet [18:28] Depending on the hiring mood you are unlikely to be hired. [18:28] I and myself were long-term contract help [18:28] wolfger: /win 2 [18:28] errr [18:28] oops. [18:28] oh you mean off of the contract cmaloney ? [18:28] yes [18:29] So don't hold your breath on being hired in a year [18:29] (that may be different now but I doubt it) [18:29] as long as salary and benefits i'm good [18:29] Also understand that Ford is $BIGCOMPANY [18:30] and they have varying levels of IT [18:30] and varying levels of folks in said IT departments [18:30] some are sharp as a tack [18:30] fucking brilliant [18:30] yeah, oh yeah i understand that well [18:30] some are taking up space [18:30] depending on the department you may never see anyone who is brilliant [18:31] i worked verizon from 1st level internal help to 2nd(3rd) level external help [18:31] just good at making their stuff work [18:31] (or good at bullshitting) [18:35] hm, got a new job description that includes "evangelizing large-scale compute blah blah blah" that could be fun [18:36] it says 'evangelizing' in your job description? [18:36] Oh, it sounds like you'll be working in their cloud stuff [18:36] I think Gib is in there as well [18:36] don't hate on my speeling [18:36] i wasn't hating on your spelling [18:37] i was referring to the fact that to evangelize is to convert someone to christianity [18:37] they use it in tech all the time nowadays. microsoft needs a lot of them [18:37] a lot of christians? [18:38] no a lot of 'technology evangelists' [18:38] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technology_evangelist [18:39] mrgoodcat: I think your point is a little subtle here. :) [18:39] but yes, that word got co-opted by the tech community even though it technically refers to spreading the Christian Gospel. [18:40] evangel being the root, which means Gospel. [18:40] co-opted, good description [18:40] or the four gospels of Christianity. [18:41] bringing good news [18:41] <_stink_> hey someone wth that job knocked on my door earlier today and gave me a piece of paper inviting me to some meeting [18:41] webster has 3 defs of it [18:41] * cmaloney is using dict from the command line [18:41] _stink_: Do you have a moment to talk about our savior The Cloud? [18:42] * phwelo apt-get install dict [18:42] <_stink_> no-sorry-i'm-busy-the-food-is-burning-someone-just-fell-down-the-stairs-goodbye *slam door* [18:43] But lo, I am sent by he who's nodes I am not worthy to provision [18:43] if they're religious i've never had issues getting rid of them with a quick "i'm an avid atheist" [18:43] I just say I'm in market research [18:44] unfortunately using similar logic on salespeople ("I'm broke") never works, huh [18:44] Broke just means you haven't heard about their financing options [18:44] <_stink_> i have zero trouble with religious people... it's the fucking clean water action assholes [18:44] <_stink_> that really piss me off [18:45] i worked for them for a day! [18:45] it was really weird and creeped me out so i quit [18:45] _stink_: I must be far enough north and east to not have dealt with them [18:45] <_stink_> the save the children woman is very nice but i have resisted her charms [18:45] otherwise I'd throw a bottled water at them [18:45] <_stink_> haha [18:46] and chase them with the hose [18:46] because irony. [18:46] <_stink_> phwelo: i got into it with one of their people one year. oh you're paid? oh it's not a 501c3? fuck off [18:46] Was this Charity Water? [18:47] at the time i worked there their pay was more than reasonable and something along the lines of 95% of their revenue went to salary [18:47] <_stink_> cmaloney: cleanwateraction.org [18:47] so yeah, not gonna donate to you [18:47] yeah, fuck that shit. [18:47] <_stink_> tchnically they are the type of non profit that can engage policitally [18:47] <_stink_> politically [18:47] <_stink_> whichever kind that is, i can't remember [18:48] i believe that's all that they do, collect money from people door-to-door to pay their employees and then lobbyists [18:50] <_stink_> im' glad my angry knee jerk wasn't too far off. [18:51] a PAC? [18:51] ugh.