[05:37] Goeie more almal [05:53] Morning everyone [05:55] morning mazal barrydk and others too [05:56] Gaanit oom ? [05:56] ok dankie en jy? [05:57] Besig , maar ons gaan aam [05:57] aan* [05:57] mooi [06:03] Hehehe , oom I almost bother you for a K problem , but found the issue [06:04] My konversation didn't want to connect both my networks on startup , but found the setting in server list edit [06:05] lol [06:06] there is a thing called konversation tips and tricks [06:06] Maaz google konversation tips and tricks [06:06] Kilos: "Konversation/Tips and Tricks - KDE UserBase Wiki" https://userbase.kde.org/Konversation/Tips_and_Tricks :: "The Konversation Handbook - KDE Documentation" https://docs.kde.org/stable/en/extragear-network/konversation/konversation.pdf :: "14 Tricks To Better Conversations - Lifehack.org" http://www.lifehack.org/articles/communication/14-tricks-better- [06:06] conversations.html :: "15 Awesome Skype Chat Tricks - Just For You !! - Fedobe" http://fedobe.co… [06:06] I haven't met that thing yet :P [06:06] lots you can configure in konversation [06:07] lol @ skype chat tricks [06:07] Maaz you are confused [06:07] mazal: I already know stuff about you [06:07] you can even move the channels panel to the left like xchat [06:07] Maaz , fine , just don't show the pictures ok [06:07] mazal: Sorry... [06:24] mornings [06:24] hi ThatGraemeGuy [06:25] Morning ThatGraemeGuy [06:29] could get really cold soon. rain in mid winter in the vaal [06:30] oi [06:30] good mornings [06:30] hi inetpro [06:30] morning inetpro [06:31] Maaz: you [06:31] inetpro: I am your new robot overlord [06:31] lol [06:31] :-) [06:38] inetpro ty for team report [06:38] and trello updates [06:53] you're welcome oom Kilos [07:50] Guys will lspci id an unknown wi-fi chip ? [07:50] try it [07:51] guessing but maybe lshw [07:51] mazal: yes, it will. it tells you what hardware you have, drivers or not [07:52] I have a laptop that came with no drivers at all , no I need to id all the hardware cos the drivers site has 6 different drivers for each part :( [07:52] morning superfly [07:53] The previous guys formatted it and put Win 7 on it. Have no manuals , discs , nothing to id the stuff [07:53] ohi [07:54] mazal if its legal win then there is some driver update thing you can use, scans pc and tells you what you need [07:55] most likely with a pay $49 dollars thing hehe [07:55] Is legal , is the works junk [07:55] If it was mine I would have had Ubuntu on it already [07:55] lol [07:56] Let me go boot with linux cd and see what I can id with lspci / lshw [07:56] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QGnFiApq9GU [07:57] that might help [07:59] * andrewlsd greets and then lurks [07:59] hi andrewlsd [08:00] Hi Kilos, thanks. [08:00] hmm... [08:07] * Kilos wonders for what [08:10] * inetpro falling off his chair [08:10] Ok , lspci identified most of what I need\ [08:10] tired inetpro [08:11] Stupid &^%&^% Win [08:11] lekker mazal [08:11] lol [08:11] That's if I read it all right [08:11] Kilos: you actually gave a link to youtube for a windows solution on a Ubuntu channel? [08:11] Will see once I downloaded all the drivers if it works [08:12] And it's wasting my minetest data !!!!! [08:12] ai! [08:12] Myne ook [08:12] Who formats a laptop withou making rescue discs , seriously [08:12] oh sorry inetpro but to be honest i was helping a buntu peep fix a prob [08:13] without* [08:14] * Kilos crawls back to the dog box [08:16] oh sinner man, where you gonna run to [08:20] mazal its your fault [08:45] Kilos: "all on that day" [08:45] oh my [08:45] hmm... [08:46] blast from the past :-) [08:47] you doing like pro now , trying to make me think [08:54] you mean with zerlgi? [09:03] morning all [09:03] hi pieter2627 [09:03] hi TinuvaMac [09:41] Only thing I can't figure out with lspci is which is the bluetooth controller [09:44] did you try lshw as well? [09:45] Yeah , I'm gonna leave the bluetooth for now , not important [09:51] hmm... [09:53] What was my fault Kilos ? [09:55] lol hat pro jumped on me [09:55] bluetooth dongles come with a mini cd to install its drivers [09:56] bluesoleil thing [09:56] on buntu they just work [09:59] Issie, I asked about lspci [09:59] lol [10:00] ja man ek terg net [10:00] And this one is build-in , not dongle. But you don't need that to do your work. These people have way to many extras [10:00] Gonna leave it [10:01] Is a nice machine this actually. I would like to take it for myself. Then I can sommer put ubuntu on [10:02] But don't think the boss will allow me [10:02] convert the other users to ubuntu man [10:02] kde 14.04 [10:02] teach them [10:03] Not allowed to [10:03] Head office decide what we use remember [10:03] ai! [10:03] I can only decide on my own machine [10:03] That's why I want it for my office [10:04] Unfortunately , they already know we have it :( [10:04] lol [10:30] yay telkom sending a tech out to come see why my speed is slow [11:12] half expecting you to timeout and never return [11:13] haha ill never let them kill me [11:13] would even use voda to stay online [11:25] I wonder if my vodacom dongle still works [11:25] Do they still have that thing of disabling a number and give it to another simcard when long time not active ? [11:28] porting ya [11:29] but nowadays you go to the fone shop and they do it there [11:29] No I mean , when you not use simcard for long time , then they disable it automatically and take the number [11:30] oh yes if you dont use it they give it to someone else [11:30] anyone have a suggestion regarding a venue for SFD 2015 yet? [11:30] 5 months or something [11:30] pieter2627: ^^ [11:30] Then mine won't work anymore. Think it hasn't been plugged in for more than 2 years [11:30] just fone them from it mazal [11:31] I wonder what of the credit that was on it then [11:31] or try get a balance with *111# [11:31] Is a dongle , can't use it in a fone [11:31] put it in a fone man [11:31] It doesn't have a simcard [11:31] sims are interchangable [11:31] It's build-in [11:32] oh my [11:32] You can't even open it [11:32] doesn't the cover slide off? [11:32] ergh [11:32] Mani , not that I recall. As I remember it is completely sealed [11:32] these modems are terrible things to open [11:32] Might remember wrong though , is a long time ago [11:33] browser interface doesn't allow sms? [11:33] you gotta split one side cover off [11:33] Think I must go dig it out and check it [11:34] modem-manager-gui [11:34] But now , let;s say they gave that number to another person , for argument sake. What about my profile on myvodacom. The number is your login id [11:35] just try it before we speculate [11:35] I wonder if I have that in a doc here somewhere. Then I can try login [11:35] * mazal digs [11:35] they doing so well they might have forgotten to disable it [11:38] MaNI you use kde? [11:38] Found my number , but like everything in this country the site is not working right now [11:38] lol [11:38] circus [11:38] yeah [11:39] " please try again later " [11:39] yeah the kde users are growing here [11:39] long term kde user, never been able to tolerate gnome [11:39] wow i enjoyed gnome 2 [11:39] though kde4 transition has been a huge test of faith [11:39] they unity thing pushed me to kde [11:40] the destruction of kdepim has been quite tragic, still the IDE itself is much better than anything else out there in my opinion [11:40] ergh s/IDE/DE [11:41] developer stuff on the brain [11:41] lol [11:42] ditto on the unity thing , also took me to kde , eventually [11:48] ThatGraemeGuy can you please startup mt.donaldson.net some time? wanna try burn some night surfer data [11:48] you can just join us on the new one [11:49] hopefully get andrew up to date as well same time [11:49] * mazal mumbels something of useless midnight data [11:49] i want him to see the ship and pyramid and so on too [11:49] Build new ones [11:50] nono that was a major job [11:50] hehehe [11:50] I'll find somewhere to put it, I cant start it up on that server as we're playing there [11:50] limited resources [11:50] ok ty [11:51] Kilos: I started over about 4 times , and twice in minecraft [11:51] You get used to it [11:51] no man im too busy to go through all that again from scratch [11:51] you don't really have much choice, the old server isn't coming back :-) [11:52] is it possible to let me get a copy of it so i can run it here please [11:53] inetpro: no, have no suggestion. see that it was at the train station last year [11:56] was actually a very nice venue [12:02] hi, got disconnected. [12:02] wb andrewlsd [12:03] ty Kilos [12:06] installing the F-word distro :-) [12:06] Kilos: why don't we just build it again? [12:06] andrewlsd: NO!!! NOT FEDORA!!! [12:07] wow superfly fro m scratch? [12:07] Kilos: ja, it wasn't that difficult [12:07] F word distro ? [12:07] Fedora ? [12:07] yes [12:07] lol [12:08] Sjoe , haven't worked with that in looooooong time [12:08] Fedora 10 I think it was [12:08] its the time online superfly , i was using a months data every week [12:08] not my own pc. was a mission to even find a ZA mirror that had the iso file [12:08] but it was great fun [12:09] ai! that date eater and his excessive floods [12:09] Tried many things , even Suse , but Ubuntu was where I stayed [12:09] andrewlsd kde 14.04 man [12:09] ek sukkel met my volk [12:10] Wassie ekkie [12:10] hehe [12:10] mazal: at the moment I'm using F22, Mint 17.1, Ubu 15.04, Chromixium, and Ubuntu-snappy [12:10] oh, and RH and Suse [12:10] Wow [12:10] wow [12:10] just not Arch [12:11] my arch experiences have not been awesome [12:12] RH 8 was my first ever linux expereince [12:12] Before it went enterprise [12:12] all those distros are an occupational hazard for me [12:13] hmm... i dont see kde anywhere in that list [12:15] kde isn't a distro [12:15] kubuntu [12:15] inetpro: can it be used again, or did anyone feel it lacking something? [12:16] kubuntu uses KDE [12:17] yes [12:17] Anybody here have a capped axxess account ? [12:18] Want to know if their double data is also after midnight ? [12:19] * andrewlsd doesn't kde. [12:19] * andrewlsd does TrinityDE [12:22] mazal: Axxess and Afrihost's additional data is a plain double afaik, not after hours or whatnot [12:40] pieter2627: don't think there was anything wrong with the venue, in fact it was very accessible [12:40] just hope we don't suddenly get many more people than last year... [12:43] Bye everyone , have a nice evening. God bless [12:45] inetpro: ok [13:01] was quite full and will have to remember to get there early next time in order to get a front row seat so I can see better [13:02] * inetpro is like Kilos [13:02] one blind eye and the other can't see [13:03] Kilos: ping [13:04] superfly pong [13:04] haha inetpro ons toppies [13:05] * inetpro thought he was sleeping in order to adapt to the late meeting tomorrow [13:05] na was looking at fencing poles i have to pull out and move [13:05] tomorrow ill sleep all day [13:21] Kilos: you don't remember seeing Padroni's work website? [13:22] um [13:22] inetpro will remember [13:22] inetpro ping [13:22] hmm... [13:23] * Kilos watches the gears turning [13:26] * inetpro trying hard to remember [13:57] * andrewlsd goes looking at server log to see what he's missed [13:57] lol [13:59] Kilos: watch out. I don't want you to get cut by a sword, stay away from Polish folks (anyone actually) when they are fencing. [14:00] hahaha what you smoking [14:02] stay away from MERS, too :S [14:03] hi Cantide [14:03] hello :) === Cantide is now known as CanCycle [14:43] cheers all. [14:43] cheers andrewlsd [14:43] later [15:48] hi all [15:49] hi Kilos [15:49] hi georgelappies [15:49] winter hit you guys yet? [15:49] yeah ty . too cold already [16:21] aw [16:21] no one said hi to the visitor [16:32] Kilos: did not even spot him [16:32] * pieter2627 wbbl [16:32] nope i was busy trying to setup dropbox [16:59] Maaz tell mazal http://www.techrepublic.com/article/create-a-live-system-iso-for-your-ubuntu-based-linux-machines-using-systemback/ [16:59] Kilos: Righto, I'll tell mazal on freenode [17:28] wbb [17:55] wb pieter2627 [17:56] inetpro hot clothes tomorrow hey! expected temps 5/15°c [17:56] ty Kilos [18:03] expected low here is more like 2°C [18:03] it's about time [18:03] that was pta temps we normally bit below it too [18:04] eish [18:04] i been freezing for weeks man and tomorrow night is a midnight shift [18:05] put your feet in hot water [18:05] with an element in to keep it hot [18:05] lol === Webtricity is now known as Guest88367 [18:58] good evening [18:58] hi magespawn [19:01] how are things Kilos/ [19:01] ? [19:01] good ty and you? [19:01] you been scarce [19:07] been busy [19:08] there have been some scientists at the reserve installing some advanced monitering equipment [19:08] aha [19:09] www.glcoherence.org [19:10] and heartmathsouthafrica.co.za [19:10] https://www.heartmath.org/gci/ [19:10] ah [19:10] it redirected [19:10] yup it is [19:11] just saw that myself [19:11] lol [19:11] had not been to the site before [19:29] very interesting stuff and ideas [19:30] too involved all that stuff [19:31] yes there is a lot of detail, but the basic of it is to keep your heart and brain rhythems in sync [19:32] best way to do that is to sleep lots [19:33] night all. sleep tight [20:28] good night all [21:20] o/ [21:28] go sleep gremble [21:32] go sleep kulelu88 [21:34] =) [21:43] But I just said hello [21:43] Why am I being chased to bed? [21:54] exams gremble [21:55] I only write on the 11th again [21:55] I am free to write lisp interpreters all day :P [21:55] how was your first paper? [21:56] It was alright. Differential equations is a difficult subject ;/ [21:56] But I think it went alright [21:56] I studied rather hard for it [21:57] good stuff. You don't want to end up a 5th year doing 2nd year modules :P [21:57] Nope [21:57] I have to finish next year [21:57] I am getting old. It is time for me to finish up, get a job and move out of the hosue [21:58] house* [21:58] ehh I'm also looking for a pad [21:59] A launch pad? [21:59] apartment pad =) [22:09] I'm more excited about the idea of living on my own than I am by the idea of actually looking for a place to stay [22:09] haha [22:09] I can't even go buy a shirt, nevermind something like a home [22:15] i thought I was excited too, then I realized that I need to cook for myself as well [22:15] Haha I like cooking at least [22:15] I make awesome food when I cook for myself [22:15] :P [22:15] yeah I'll get used to it also. Plenty of opportunity to become a maestro in the kitchen [22:16] That or starvation [22:16] Let Darwin decide [22:16] :P [22:16] how far away are you planning? [22:16] Where I can get a job opportunity. I will probably try and see if I can do postgraduate somewhere [22:17] Preferrably Germany, but probably UP [22:17] try to find a remote job [22:19] I still have to decide on a career xD [22:20] IT, cause money is important [22:22] Probably something in IT/Math. Preferably a computer scientist research position [22:22] don't end up as 1 of those guys who marries his lecturer gf now [22:23] I'll try not to [22:23] :P [22:24] Unless shes hoooooottttttt [22:25] Haha There's always an exception [22:25] Most of the hotties are studying BCom or BA [22:26] or ... if you want a vrou first, BEd [22:26] =D [22:27] Haha I'm already married to my work and so far there has only been a handful of girls that have been able to pull me away from it [22:28] instagram photos or you lying [22:28] I don't even have photo's of myself on facebook... [22:30] Now I know you are not an internet noob :D no sane person would put photos online willingly :D [22:31] I'm glad we finally got that out of the way then :P [22:33] Dammit [22:33] hows this weather though. ons kan kak in June [22:33] I have to port my half-built Scheme parser from String to Text [22:33] -_- [22:33] yeah you should definitely become a software engineer [22:33] This ice wind is kind of shitt [22:33] shitty* [22:34] I only build things that I like :x [22:34] That is why I am not really considering that [22:34] I want to learn lisp, but I don't have a lisp interpreter. So I am building one :D [22:34] pay is shit here, but a nice job at GooFace will do you good [22:35] lisp is that () () () () language? [22:35] Yup [22:35] ( ( ( ( ( ( ) ) ) ) ) language [22:35] learn this if you're fascinated by strange languages: #crystal-language [22:35] although I think I missed a bracket [22:36] you did! [22:36] haha [22:36] I'm playing with functional languages specifically [22:37] Next is Erlang and Elm [22:37] But I am pretty sure that I can Elm when I can Haskell, since Elm just twists some things around [22:37] crystal scares me because it is once again one of those dynamically typed langauges [22:38] didn't we conclude that functional and imperative are almost the same? [22:38] it is actually a static language that compiles [22:38] it does type inference [22:40] functional and imperative is very much not the same though. I think the conclusion you made was when we had a main function with a bunch of do statements [22:40] Which is were functions and actions get mixed up [22:41] and the whole monad business gets confusing [22:41] Getting coffee so I can code [22:41] I suck at jargon, so I'll just say I know what a monad is [22:43] Yes, I'm sorry. It's weird. Monads are the things that make functional programming smell a bit like imperative programming at times [22:43] They're weird math things [22:43] I'm not even going to pretend to understand enough of them to give you an illuminating explanation [22:43] xD [22:44] frankly, it sounds like too much effort to code something functionally [22:44] Ask me after July :P [22:44] do you not need tests for functional programming? [22:44] unit tests? [22:44] I'm guessing a functional test would be stupid? [22:45] No? You can still have logic flaws [22:45] But luckily they are gauranteed to be consistent :P [22:46] functional programming is not some magic bullet that solves all mankinds problems and feeds the poor in America. It is just another programming paradigm like imperative or object orientated [22:47] But instead of making use of sequences of commands or objects sending messages and doing things, its just functions [22:49] but a function can never be "untrue" [22:50] What do you mean by 'untrue'? [22:53] I sometimes have alternate thinking in programming, so where I might say untrue, some might interpret as "false", although they could be different [22:53] No, that I get. I meant as in this context [22:54] What would a false function be and why is it significant? [22:56] say for example, (and it is getting challenging to try to explain this), your function is testing 2+2, which you assume to equal to a non-negative number. would a functional test be applicable to make sure the function is right and almost always returns a positive number? [22:56] let us assume that the function only accepts non-negative numbers [22:59] We should probably have these conversations earlier in the evenings :P Anyway, since your function cannot behave in any other way than expected due to purity(they don't allow a state change of any kind) and type constraints, they are guarenteed by the compiler to produce the expected results [22:59] Testing would be to insure that the integration between functions works as expected [23:00] Say that you handle JSON properly in your parser function and that it doesn't die with malformed JSON etc [23:17] aah, so more complicated tests are what is needed [23:23] Same goes for python, except with python you need additional tests to make sure that you types are infered as expected [23:24] The more complext your tests are in what they test for, the better tests they are [23:31] I'll only understand testing the day I write solid software that needs it [23:32]