[04:50] More almal [05:54] morning barrydk inetpro and others [06:19] Morning everyone [06:19] hi mazal [06:19] Oom Kilos , thank you for the link. I am testing that app as we speak [06:19] Already made an iso , busy installing it to another pc to test [06:19] oh the new backup thing [06:20] cool let me know [06:21] Will , just imaging the test pc first [06:21] will do* [06:21] In case it don't work [06:22] b ut apparently remastersys should keep on working as well [06:22] This is better oom , more features [06:22] If it works [06:23] And I think it will be developed more , unlike remaster that is dead [06:25] My favourite imaging tool seems to be dead too :( redo backup [06:25] ai! [06:38] * mazal wishles a tune while he waits [06:39] Ag nee I give up , I can not spell or type [06:40] lol [06:40] wistles [06:40] oo [06:40] whistle [06:40] oh my [06:41] Maaz spell whistle [06:41] Kilos: That seems correct. Carry on [06:43] morning all [06:44] hi pieter2627 [06:44] luckily we got this tab complete or i would type pietie everytime [06:44] hi that [06:44] ai! [06:45] hi ThatGraemeGuy [06:46] haha [07:08] morning :) [07:46] Oom Kilos [07:46] ya seun [07:46] No info yet , the installer unable to wipe the current partition [07:46] hi Cryterion [07:46] dd unable to wipe current partition [07:46] welcome to ubuntu-za [07:47] I am now trying another boot cd to that have a drive eraser to try and get the current partition off as the installer doesn't work with that one on [07:47] hmm... [07:47] Even dd does nothing to wipe the drive [07:47] Unless my dd command was wrong [07:47] oh my [07:47] Hi, tks [07:48] Hi Cryterion , welcome here ;) [07:48] boot from the new thing and look for gparted [07:48] gparted failed also [07:48] Wiped it 5 times with gparted [07:48] hmm... [07:48] When installer starts , current partition re-apears [07:48] try contacting a priest, maybe it needs an exorcism. sounds like it might be possessed [07:48] zero i [07:48] it [07:49] lol [07:49] I even tried sudo dd if=/dev/null of=/dev/sda1 [07:49] To zero it , didn't work [07:49] open it up and splash some holy water on the platters [07:49] wait [07:49] (not really please don't open hard disks) [07:49] Now I am trying another app on another linux boor cd to zero it [07:50] boot* [07:50] dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdb bs=512 count=1 [07:50] wait more [07:50] dc3dd wipe=/dev/sdX [07:51] I am amazed that gparted failed , never seen that before [07:51] Unless this drive is physically something wrong [07:51] look at disk utility as well if those commands dont work [07:52] And gparted was run from boot cd without mounting that drive , on 2 different os boot cd's [07:52] both failed [07:52] try the wipe one first [07:52] K oom , waiting for the current drive wipe app to complete and will test again. Then will try those commands [07:53] Looks like the current one is doing something as I am at least getting some progress output [07:53] disk utility shows lots of info [07:53] ah [07:54] Didn't have this once before a while back oom ? [07:54] you* [07:54] what? [07:54] Where a drive struggled to get partition of [07:55] ya a few times with different drives but i use many tools [07:55] last resort is always boot from 98 cd and fdisk [07:56] lol [07:56] dd is my last resort always [07:56] also ubcd is good at times [07:56] If that fails I get stuck [07:56] disk utility [07:56] will tell you whats up [07:57] the gnome one [07:57] The current one ( disk eraser on parted magic ) is only at 48% now running very slow , so I think it's working [07:58] do you want to wipe the disk? [07:58] Yeah [07:58] I want to do a install on it , but installers fails to get current partition of [07:58] i like gnome-disk-utility, it can do lots too [07:59] Then install can't continue , so then started battling the get the current partitio of [08:00] try wiping mbr, sudo dd if =/dev/zero of =/dev/sda bs=512 count=1 [08:00] Will try if current runs fails also thanx [08:01] I tried that command , just without the bs and count at the end and didn't work [08:01] on /dev/sda or /dev/sda1 [08:01] use the complete command man [08:01] tried both Graeme sda and sda1 [08:01] sudo dd if =/dev/zero of =/dev/sda bs=512 count=1 [08:01] try that [08:02] if that doesn't work then the disk is likely a dud [08:02] Will do if current fails , don't want to interrupt that one now [08:02] no space between 'of' and '=', sorry [08:03] old drive? [08:03] Not really , 3 years [08:03] yeah probably dying/dead [08:03] Will defnitely not put something very important on it now [08:04] Will finish testing , put image back , give to user I don't like lol :) [08:05] I see this app that is currently running is using dc3dd , is that a varient of dd ? [08:05] lol [08:06] that was a command i got from one of the lubuntu dev guys [08:07] dc3dd wipe=/dev/sdX [08:07] is that what you are using? [08:07] 75% [08:07] Almost there [08:08] Kilos: That what the app is using that I am using [08:08] ah [08:09] Is part of a boot cd called " parted magic ". We normally use it to copy data of from drives that has broken OS's and can't boot [08:12] you can also get this http://www.ultimatebootcd.com/download.html [08:13] I have that somewhere [08:13] takes lots of thinking though [08:13] Backed up so well that I can't remember where [08:14] lol [08:14] Yeah I used it once , and it was a bit confusing [08:16] May I ask what that the bs and count stand for in the dd command ? [08:16] work [08:16] block size ? [08:17] i dunno i just use it [08:17] its like driving a car, you dont need to know how the engine works [08:18] block size [08:18] it writes count blocks of bs size - the two combined is your total size [08:19] thanx [08:19] ty MaNI [08:20] ok , done , let's try the install again [08:30] Drive is finally clean , install started , Kilos should have some feedback in 40 min or so [08:30] ok [08:34] morning superfly [08:36] naandsê Kilos [08:37] lol [08:41] Kilos: Works flawlessny , installs successfully , BUT it took over all my configs and data. Needs to check where to disable that [08:41] Is fine when you re-install own pc , but don't want that installing to someone else's pc [08:41] what size was the iso? [08:42] 2.9gig [08:42] I don't have much in my home , just some docs and mail [08:42] And it also have 4gig size limit [08:42] Same as remaster [08:42] yes, check if one can do it as a install only not a backup [08:42] k [08:42] will do [09:08] * Padroni greets the room [09:11] * ThatGraemeGuy nods [09:11] hi Padroni [09:12] you well? [09:12] I am good [09:12] crazy busy :/ [09:13] ah [09:59] good day [10:08] if you say so [10:08] ;-p [10:08] hi magespawn [10:09] kinda winter here [10:09] yeah I had to find my scarf & beanie this morning, brrrr! :-o [10:13] Lekker man lekker [10:13] lol [10:14] Kilos: mazal se hy sal nou kom rapporteer as ins internet hou, kry ook seker mar koud shame, hy is an en af vanmore [10:15] dankie barrydk [10:15] Om Kilos , feedback: [10:15] yip? [10:16] 1. Creation side. App uses gui interface than can be tricky as there is no manual or documentation at all. Once you know what to do and where to do it , it works very easily [10:16] 2. User configs at creation side: There is an option to disable user data transfer , however even with it disabled my configs still transfered to iso [10:16] write the documentation for them [10:17] This is either a big or intended , I dunnno , but that bit bothers me a bit [10:17] 3. Installation side: Again can be tricky as no documentation exists. Ths iso boots normally but them at first glance it seems there is no install option at all [10:18] After some fiddling I discovered you have to run the app on the live iso itself which triggers the installation [10:18] IE: While running on the live iso , go to system and start up systemback [10:19] Installation itself is very easy , but again one strange option caused some dofficulty [10:20] When doing partitioning , there is an arrow that says " edit partition information " , which actually is " apply current changes " [10:20] If you don't click this and think it is actually and edit option as the description says then you can't continue [10:21] After finding that out through trial and error I did the install , which itself runs very fast and easy [10:21] New username , password and hostname can be set [10:21] 4. Transfer of user data at installation side: Here is a big flaw imo [10:22] By default this is set to "on" at installation. Your user settings will be transfered to the new install [10:22] So if you give the iso for someone to try out and he/she doesn't manually disable that during installation they will have all you configs , passwords etc. [10:23] This problem exists even if you did disable it during iso creation. [10:23] http://www.piedpiper.com/ and http://www.hooli.xyz/ [10:23] holy wall of text batman [10:23] Apart from that problem and lack of documentation that explains how the program actually works , it is a very nice app that works excellent and fast [10:23] what app? [10:24] ThatGraemeGuy: systemback , a live iso creator I tested for Kilos [10:24] oh [10:24] sounds like work [10:24] remastersys is dead so looking for alternatives [10:25] Kilos: Test was done on Kubunu , dunno if it works on unity as well [10:25] what would you use such a thing for? [10:26] Quickly re-install a system withou having to do updates or install all the extra apps needed [10:26] to do updated installs on other pcs ThatGraemeGuy [10:26] uuuuhhh [10:26] k [10:26] is also very handy for new users who want to try Ubuntu and don't even know how to add repos and install apps [10:26] without the need to connect to the internet on the machine being updated or installed [10:27] yep [10:27] Everything is as the source machine was when iso was made , excluding user data [10:27] #thirdworldproblems [10:27] lol [10:28] I use it myself when I re-install. Saves lots of time and data [10:29] Even extra repos added is as is [10:29] i have a puppet recipe i run if i need to re-install for some reason [10:30] For me is purely a time saving and data saving measure and works very well [10:33] Kilos: So for me , the verdict is fine for your own machine , but I would not give a iso made by this app for a friend. There is no gaurentee he/she will remember to disable the "transfer user config" setting [10:34] They should change it that if you disabled that at creation then it should not be in the iso at all [10:34] if you do then you give the how to as well [10:35] maybe you can disable it before you make he iso [10:37] mazal if you were going to do this to make iso for other people to use you could do a generic machine there fore no user sensitive data [10:37] hi gremble [10:38] Yeah , good idea magespawn [10:40] Hey Kilos [11:41] hmm... [12:53] if you send the following via Skype, it will crash skype on both ends: [12:53] http://: [12:53] except there is an update out for it [12:53] yeah but who updates skype? [12:54] and the update is only for iOS as far as I know [12:54] Sorry, skype for Mac is unaffected [12:54] tried it yesterday - works on my skype [13:04] they don't even mention linux, I think they have forgotten they even have a linux client [13:04] which is maybe a good thing so that they can't ruin it as much as the others [13:05] meh [13:05] I do not trust anything out of the USA anymore. [13:05] windows client gets worse with every release [13:05] Skype / Dropbox / Google Drive / Gmail / etc [13:05] I've never trusted google anything [13:06] NSA has free range to spy on anything by a foreigner that goes past the US border [13:06] and not because of NSA/USA but because of google themselves :p [13:07] I begrudgingly use dropbox for some clients, it is overrated to put it nicely [13:07] skype unfortunately I have no choice, too many clients use it [13:07] and as bad as it has become the alternatives still seem to be worse, I don't understand why something better hasn't come out [13:09] preach it, bro [13:09] I use mega.co.nz as a Dropbox replacement [13:09] 50GB storage [13:10] run by Kim Dotcom (ex megaupload) [13:10] but yeah we made it company policy not to talk about internal company stuff on skype anymore at least [13:10] so only for customers who insist on using it [13:11] problem with kim dotcom is that he will probably get raided again at some point [13:13] 50gb is pretty tempting though [14:18] Skype for linux is also supposed to be unaffected === magespaw1 is now known as magespawn [14:24] can you use your skype account with another client, say pidgin? [14:26] i have no idea [14:26] yes and no [14:27] you can, but the way it plugs in, you still need the actual skype client running [14:27] ahh right [14:27] well that is just silly [14:27] but - this being a MS program [14:27] so pidgin acts as a front-end for the skype client, it can't speak the skype protocol on its own [14:27] makes all the sense in the world [14:27] its been like that since day 1 [14:27] not much point really [14:27] even worse [14:27] but let me not get in the way of mindless Microsoft-bashing, carry on [14:28] I am not a fan. Sue me... [14:28] ; [14:28] ;) [14:28] nothing wrong with that [14:29] I think I have reached unproductive 'o clock [14:30] yup just about home time too [14:34] what just happened? [14:36] you left and came back uncloaked [14:37] odd [14:37] time to go to bed, methinks. [14:37] Have a good one, folks [14:37] lol [14:42] right that is me out of here too, chat later all [17:28] good evening [17:29] hi magespawn [17:30] twice in one day hey Kilos [17:31] ye4ah i like you [17:31] hehe [17:31] you one of my early helpers [17:31] and didnt tell me rtfs all the time [17:32] ohi inetpro ,didnt see you lurking there [17:35] hmm. lol [17:36] still learning even now though [17:40] installing vlc on centos, at the moment [17:41] vlc works everywhere i think [17:42] yup, not in the standard repos for centos though [17:48] different working with yum etc. takes a a little of bit getting used to [17:49] hehe [17:53] Isn't yum deprecated? [17:53] still works here, i am running 6.6 [17:55] i could not find 7 for i386/32bit [17:58] Ah, yes. dnf will start replacing yum in fedora 22. You're probably not running fedora. CentOS? [17:58] are you using it just to learn with magespawn [17:58] the yum thing i mean [18:00] gremble yup [18:01] yes Kilos the new Linux+ uses both debian/ubuntu and rhel/centos examples in the book [18:01] sjoe [18:04] brb [18:06] yum winning [18:06] ugh [18:08] back [18:08] wb magespawn [18:09] you keep learning, its good for you [18:09] just dont get like pro and get forgetful [18:09] * Kilos hides [18:09] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Li3hXsDtMak [18:10] Meek Mill mixtape... [18:10] Now time to write some ansible playbooks. [18:12] hmm still not playing the videos i wanted to watch, something else must be missing/wrong [18:12] magespawn: CentOS 6 on the desktop. LOL. [18:12] you crazy, br0. [18:12] hah, just doing it for the experience really [18:13] CentOS is good to work with if you're doing any LPI stuff [18:13] CentOS or perhaps SuSE [18:13] gremble: that is the plan, busy working my way through the comptia linux + study guide [18:14] SuSE is Novell and Novell is no. [18:14] #nope [18:14] CentOS is great. I run my compute / storage cluster on it at work. 10 machines... [18:14] But web / database? Ubuntu 14.04. Nice mix of stable and features. [18:18] Or be brave and use gentoo [18:20] good mornings [18:20] lol [18:20] hello inetpro [18:20] gremble: Arch++ [18:20] Hey inetpro. You're just in time. We are about to help Kilos install gentoo [18:21] Arch is like Gentoo without having to re-compile your system every few days. ;) [18:21] lol nono i know my limits [18:21] So far I haven't found a system that I like more than Arch. [18:21] i only use stuff pro and fly can help me with [18:21] gremble: Mmmm :) [18:21] gremble: I got two Arch systems. [18:21] It is really nice. Simple... [18:22] I feel like I want to use NixOS and voidlinux still [18:22] I love the "upstream stable" policy of Arch. [18:22] gremble: Indeed, I also want to try NixOS. [18:23] lol [18:23] * inetpro should perhaps try gentoo at some point [18:23] just so I can say, been there done that [18:24] Sure, grab an old laptop, play around while watching TV [18:24] ai! [18:24] You'll need something to keep you busy with while everything compiles [18:24] Or fails to [18:24] :P [18:24] exactly why I don't go there [18:25] but sounds like fun to build only what you really need [18:26] play minetest then [18:26] That is exactly why I run arch instead of prerolled distros [18:27] reminds me of the days when we started by compiling gcc with gcc [18:27] :P [18:27] I'm busy with a lisp interpreter in haskell. [18:27] inetpro: Linux From Scratch. :D [18:27] I did LFS a few times. [18:27] I want to make a haskell interpreter in that lisp so it is full circle [18:27] :P [18:27] stickyboy: no that was on Solaris [18:28] so much is taken for granted these days [18:28] Such as? [18:29] everything just works :-) [18:29] :P [18:30] ok maybe not everything [18:30] inetpro: Yes hehe. [18:30] Man, we used to have to configure refresh rates in XF86. :P [18:30] And if you get the modeline wrong your monitor could be toast. [18:30] hehehehe [18:31] sounds like a lot of fun [18:40] a good way to get new hardware, if you do not like the old [18:40] haha [18:43] Someone is selling lenovo T540's quite cheaply.. but apparently they brick when you try and install linux. Completely crippling the motherboard [18:43] Makes me sad [18:43] haha [18:43] why would that be [18:43] bios corrupt [18:43] how would that happen? [18:44] something in bios is win only [18:44] flash bios [18:44] flash it? [18:44] upgrade to original manufacturer bios [18:45] gremble what is quite cheaply [18:48] The lenovo bios(or rather uefi I think) is one of those ugly ones that do the magic to make windows boot faster [18:48] R2500 each [18:48] They're refurbished [18:48] can you not set them to legacy boot/ [18:48] ? [18:49] The fix is apparently to reflash the lenovo firmware [18:49] from where? [18:49] Newer firmware [18:49] so Lenovo [18:50] I am not sure what the process of flashing entails [18:50] I think I did it once when I was like 12 [18:50] i was talking about the laptops themselves [18:51] EFI stub boot is winning [18:51] Oh, I have no idea [18:51] could be stolen :P [18:51] It probably isnt [18:51] okay then [18:51] hahaha [18:52] With cheap things like that, I believe in a dont ask, don't tell framework [18:52] :P [18:52] hmm, that might be a good thing to find out [18:54] gremble you have the specs for them? [18:55] i7's with 8GB ram. More specific specs you can just look at the T540 specs online [18:55] Not sure about the harddrive sizes though [18:55] that is a good price then, i would like to get my hands on one of those [18:56] wow thats a nice lappy [18:56]