[01:11] <mapps> aquarius isnt bad
[01:11] <mapps> on ep8/13;]
[01:24] <ball> Matel Aquarius?
[01:26] <penguin42> haha
[03:01] <mapps> ne
[03:02] <mapps> the tv show=]
[03:09] <ball> mapps: I haven't seen (or heard of) it.
[03:10] <mapps> hm
[03:10] <mapps> check imdb;p
[03:10] <daftykins> mornin'
[03:10] <mapps> mornin daftykins , just wakeup?
[03:11] <daftykins> newp
[03:11] <daftykins> just sat on the sofa
[03:12] <mapps> :D
[03:12] <mapps> what u watching?
[03:12] <mapps> im on e9 of aquarius now yay was on e2 today been atchin it all night
[03:12] <mapps> 13 eps will have it done by monday
[03:12] <daftykins> just got the lengthy headphones plugged into the amp with some music on from the HTPC at the mo
[03:14] <ball> I need to buy a new telly before I think about an HTPC
[03:15] <ball> Mine's ...unwell.
[03:15] <mapps> :(
[03:15] <mapps> ive got a 44" asung full d does the job i use a sumvision cyclone micro 3 to play my media fils
[03:16] <mapps> whats your htpc daftykins
[03:17] <daftykins> well i have an ancient atom + ion 1 nettop by ASRock, but i've been recently playing with... https://www.dropbox.com/sh/87pjdo1y2ipaoge/AADHn4GFQCQiihkHql-AeR0sa?dl=0
[03:18] <daftykins> wifi can't handle my content though :)
[03:28] <mapps> 180p?
[03:28] <mapps> 1080
[03:28] <daftykins> of course
[03:28] <daftykins> it's more my router + placement than wifi tech not handling the content, mind you
[03:28] <daftykins> my proper HTPC is wired :> as it should be
[03:30]  * ball sighs
[03:30] <daftykins> hmm?
[03:30] <daftykins> still can't read that thing?
[03:30] <ball> I should probably drop some Cat5e but it's such a hassle.
[03:31] <daftykins> 6 :)
[03:31] <daftykins> i loved it, as usual had my place all networked way before i had a net connection sorted
[03:32] <ball> I suppose I could go into the cupboard and up to the attic that way.
[03:32] <ball> ...but then I'll have to find a way to route the cable down into the kitchen where the router lives.
[03:34] <daftykins> kitchen O_O
[03:34] <daftykins> put a fresh phone line, if xDSL, somewhere else? :D
[03:35] <ball> daftykins: I suppose I could put up a shelf in the garage and put all the networky stuff out there.
[03:36] <daftykins> anywhere that's nice an' cool :)
[03:37] <ball> daftykins: Everywhere's cool in the winter. The garage shouldn't get too hot in summer because it's at least in the shade.
[03:37] <ball> -20C for days on end.
[03:37]  * ball shudders
[03:37] <daftykins> hehe
[03:37] <ball> I'm getting too old for these winters.
[03:38] <ball> ...but I don't have the luxury of moving elsewhere.
[03:41] <daftykins> what neck of the woods did you end up in again?
[03:44] <ball> daftykins: Illinois, USA
[03:49] <ball> Oh well. I should go and watch a Coursera lecture or something.
[03:50] <ball> I hope everyone has a good morning.
[03:55] <daftykins> and you sir o/
[03:56] <ball> Thanks
[03:56] <ball> I said that and then got into a conversation in ##electronics
[03:56] <ball> I'm trying to find a 7V battery. :-)
[03:56] <daftykins> ooh
[03:57] <daftykins> could be fun
[03:57] <ball> Someone found a mammoth 7.5V battery that's for electric fences. Think I'll pass on that one. :-D
[04:00] <daftykins> whoa i wonder what those look like
[04:01] <ball> A bit like a small bucket.
[04:01] <ball> I think I may use a six-cell AAA holder and NiMH cells.
[04:02] <ball> That's 7.2V and will be less unweildy.
[04:03] <daftykins> NiMH always reminds me of the rats of Nimh
[04:04]  * ball nods
[04:04] <daftykins> ok i must run, cya \o
[04:06] <ball> Goodbye!
[08:49] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[08:49] <bigcalm> Anybody here got Netflix working in Chromium?
[08:50] <bigcalm> Or do I have to install chrome?
[08:56]  * bigcalm installs chrome and gets on with his life
[09:11] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[09:14] <bigcalm> Afternoon
[09:16] <brobostigon> hi bigcalm
[13:52] <popey> bigcalm: yes, needs chrome
[14:58] <bigcalm> tum te tum
[14:58] <bigcalm> What's good to watch on Netflix?
[14:59]  * penguin42 doesn't have this new fangled tech
[15:01] <zmoylan-pi> not as good as a 14" portable telly with bunny ears in the 80s with 8bit computer plugged into it... :-)
[15:04] <zmoylan-pi> the hammer horror and sci fi flick seasons on bbc2 and c4...
[15:04] <penguin42> The Freeview 'Horror' channel is particularly bad
[15:11] <shauno> meh, you can keep channel36, I've got my amiga doing hdmi now :)
[15:12] <penguin42> haha
[15:12] <zmoylan-pi> still rendering babylon5? :-P
[15:16] <shauno> I'd be impressed if they could get it do genlock on hd720; but probably not entirely surprised.  just impressed
[15:18] <zmoylan-pi> amiga still has a lot of fans as it was just so far ahead
[15:20] <shauno> I dunno.  it's mostly just stupid now.  the video card in my amiga is newer than the one in my mac
[15:21] <shauno> it cracks me up that there's still people designing, building & selling new hardware for it
[15:22] <penguin42> yeh odd isn't it
[15:22] <zmoylan-pi> where there's geeks there's brass :-)
[15:28] <penguin42> or more normally copper and silicon
[15:28] <zmoylan-pi> hey, in some of the 70s and 80s ancient systems there was gold
[15:29] <penguin42> zmoylan-pi: Hey a Pentium Pro from ~2000 has enough gold to make it worth extracting
[15:30] <shauno> in ~2000 you probably could have panned for gold on my bedroom floor :/
[15:31] <shauno> luckily I don't quite have the elephant graveyard thing going on anymore
[15:31] <penguin42> ahem, I still do :-)
[15:32] <penguin42> shauno: Can't offer you a Sun 3/60 can I ?
[15:32] <shauno> I move too often.  things just disapppear
[15:32] <penguin42> nod
[15:33]  * zmoylan-pi waits for someone to admit using a vax just as a warm spot for their cat... :-D
[15:35]  * penguin42 doesn't have a cat (or a vax)
[15:36] <zmoylan-pi> but have an above average amount of penguins? :-)
[15:36] <penguin42> maybe....
[15:36] <shauno> never really got into unix boxes.  when you say vax, I just picture a henry-style vacuum.  which shouldn't be applied to cats I guess.
[15:37]  * penguin42 was a bit late for vaxen
[15:37] <zmoylan-pi> my father used a nilfisk hoover on the cat who had a horrible skin condition at the time to stop it spreading.  did leave the cat with a slight /impression/ of the hoover afterwards though...
[15:38] <penguin42> haha
[15:38] <daftykins> shauno: you killed elepehants :(
[15:39] <zmoylan-pi> years later she was still pushing the hoover down stairs to eliminate her oppressor...
[15:39] <daftykins> so a drastic vacuum sucking to the cat's skin prevented it from spreading?
[15:40] <shauno> oh I killed everything.  the interesting bits are always on the inside.  if I'd been a med student I would have been jack the ripper.
[15:41] <daftykins> :D
[15:41] <daftykins> so what happened to dan?
[15:41] <zmoylan-pi> there was some tick in the scales of skin coming off, so hoovering off the dead skin meant it healed in 2 weeks instead of pills for months. not sure the cat appreciate the quick cure...
[15:41] <daftykins> ah wow
[15:41] <shauno> he wdan turned out to be more interesting on the inside ;)
[15:41] <daftykins> how did your dad know?
[15:42] <zmoylan-pi> he'd dealt with a lot of cats with this condition as it was common in our town at the time
[15:43] <daftykins> ah har
[15:43] <daftykins> somewhere was a crashed UFO with the cause
[15:45] <zmoylan-pi> i think it was just stray cats with the tick fighting domestic cats spreading it
[15:48] <MartijnVdS> tick fighting?
[15:49] <penguin42> better than stick fighting
[16:14] <Azelphur> Anyone know of a nice piece of software for browsing games with a 10ft interface and controller support?
[16:14] <MartijnVdS> steam
[16:15] <Azelphur> MartijnVdS: not sure if I could use steam with emulated games and such? plus internet connectivity is somewhat of an issue
[16:16] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: I think you can put custom links to games in steam, and it'll just run the program for you
[16:16] <Azelphur> yea I think you can too, but I'm sure I've seen software dedicated to this whole emulator thing.
[16:49] <daftykins> hrmm yeah what's the one a mate uses
[16:49] <daftykins> lets see
[16:55] <daftykins> Azelphur: how about that ROM collection browser thing?
[16:55] <daftykins> might've been Pi only, not sure
[16:55] <Azelphur> I found Emulation Station, it looks really good :)
[17:06] <popey> speaking of which
[17:06] <popey> I'm using emulation station on a pi 2
[17:06] <popey> works nicely
[17:06] <popey> decided to put all the games on my server, and mount that over the /home/pi/retropie/roms dir
[17:07] <popey> so I can have more than one and keep roms in one place and not have to load up the pi with stuff
[17:07] <Azelphur> Yea I'm certainly liking it, I'm gonna be using it at the national autistic society, I think this'll score me some points
[17:07] <popey> its really nicely done
[17:07] <popey> only shows emulators in the list if it finds roms
[17:07] <popey> which surprised me, but makes sense.
[17:07] <Azelphur> nice :)
[17:07] <Myrtti> I ♥ Dell's Twitter support. That is all.
[17:07] <Azelphur> bought 4 xbox controllers, setting it up so that the xbox button kills the emulator which returns you to game selection, which is controlled by the xbox controller
[17:08] <Azelphur> got wiimotes hooked up for wii games, xbox for everything else
[17:08] <popey> sweet
[17:31] <directhex> not 4 stream controllers? :o
[17:33] <bigcalm> directhex: were you going to buy one no matter the cost?
[17:34] <directhex> bigcalm: i've already preordered, at game in town
[17:35] <directhex> http://www.game.co.uk/en/hardware/steam/?merchname=hubsteam-_-controller-_-HardwareBundles
[17:35] <bigcalm> Steam link and controller for under 100 quid
[17:36] <bigcalm> I think I just might
[17:36] <bigcalm> How well do they work with enternet over power?
[17:36] <bigcalm> That is, what sort of bandwidth does steam streaming need?
[17:36] <directhex> no idea! fine, i'd guess. latency is the main problem
[17:38] <bigcalm> I'll pre-order once I've been paid (in 3 days)
[17:38] <bigcalm> Hope I remember to
[17:39] <Azelphur> popey: I'm having a fun idea for emulation station, if I create a custom login session that launches just emulation station, and then set my wallpaper to a funky "loading screen" - things would look way cooler.
[17:41] <directhex> you need framebuffer handover, so you get the same logo from kernel boot to app load!
[18:21] <daftykins> diddledan: there you are! i thought shauno had killed you and hidden the body
[18:21] <diddledan> :-p
[18:21] <diddledan> I'm in Wales
[18:21] <daftykins> on hols?
[18:22] <diddledan> sheeps eat the internets here
[18:22] <diddledan> yeah
[18:22] <daftykins> tasty packets
[18:30] <shauno> to be fair, wales probably isn't a bad spot to hide the body
[18:30] <daftykins> mmm, plenty of valleys to get lost in so i hear
[18:36] <penguin42> not shauno the sheep
[18:38] <daftykins> :O
[18:49] <zmoylan-pi> no no it's a modification of using pigeons for internet, white sheep for 0's black sheep for 1's...
[18:50] <penguin42> zmoylan-pi: Hmm, have you seen the RFC on ultra slow speed networking?
[18:51] <penguin42> zmoylan-pi: https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc1217
[18:57] <zmoylan-pi> that might work better than sheep, my system keeps going to sleep tracking the sheep packets...
[19:05] <diddledan> the problem with sheep-0based communications is the sheeps keep jumping out of the field (cable)
[19:06] <penguin42> diddledan: Fortunately you can keep them in line with a data orientation guide
[19:06] <daftykins> zmoylan-pi: you should write that one up as an RFC
[19:07] <diddledan> sheep networking must be very power efficient though if it causes random sleeps
[19:08] <zmoylan-pi> that and it looks like the cloud with all those sheep streaming past
[19:09] <daftykins> wake on LAN could be a remote shock collar
[19:13] <penguin42> of course the whole thing could be implemented in an open mint sauce library
[19:13]  * daftykins gasps
[19:19] <zmoylan-pi> firewalls would become firefences...
[19:21] <zmoylan-pi> sysadmins would be shepherds...
[19:23]  * penguin42 didn't think shepherds were that drunk
[19:25] <daftykins> it would rule out users at last!
[19:25] <zmoylan-pi> shepherds aren't allowed to drink and drive either :-)
[20:12] <bigcalm> Caved in and pre-ordered http://www.game.co.uk/en/steam-link-with-steam-controller-and-20-steam-wallet-top-up-bundle-only-at-game-644059
[20:12] <daftykins> yay early adopting ;)
[20:13] <bigcalm> I have a long history of impulse buyings
[20:13] <bigcalm> 100 notes isn't my worst mistake to date
[20:13] <daftykins> :D
[20:13] <bigcalm> I'm wondering about the controller, but the link box will be useful
[20:14] <m0nkey_> i preordered the steam controller
[20:17] <bigcalm> Proved that I can connect Linux and Windows machines to my home server via openvpn. I'm going to throw it at the office network tomorrow. Only unknown is our remote workers with Macs
[20:18] <bigcalm> I assume that they will have no trouble connecting
[20:18] <bigcalm> Well, the technically minded one anyway
[20:18] <m0nkey_> bigcalm, you have Viscosity (paid) or Tunnelblick (free) for Mac
[20:18] <m0nkey_> Viscosity if your Mac users are casuals
[20:18] <daftykins> bigcalm: i have a Mavericks VM if you'd like a test run
[20:19] <bigcalm> daftykins: I would actually, thanks
[20:19] <intrbiz> bigcalm: openvpn works fine on Macs
[20:19] <bigcalm> Well, there's the proof needed
[20:19] <daftykins> hehe
[20:19] <bigcalm> What I need to work out is if I want to tunnel or bridge
[20:19] <intrbiz> bigcalm: IIRC its fairly easy to build tunnellbick config bundles
[20:20] <intrbiz> bigcalm: you want tunnel
[20:20] <bigcalm> intrbiz: I think I'll let Nicholas sort that out and then pass it to other Mac users ;)
[20:21] <bigcalm> intrbiz: Okay, tunnel is the default from the howto I followed
[20:21] <intrbiz> bigcalm: yes, bridge is only needed for certain niche usecases
[20:22] <bigcalm> intrbiz: other thing is, do I want to leave the IP allocation at 10.8.0.0/24 or change it 192.168.42.0/24 (what the office vlan will be on)?
[20:23] <bigcalm> intrbiz: have you tried either/both bits of the cable I swapped with you?
[20:23] <daftykins> i think you'd want to put VPN clients on their own subnet
[20:23] <bigcalm> intrbiz: and did I miss much after leaving the social on Friday?
[20:23] <intrbiz> bigcalm: VPN clients need to be on their own network, other wise you can't route them
[20:24] <intrbiz> bigcalm: didn't miss anything
[20:24] <bigcalm> daftykins: okay. Looks like I can push routes from the server side over to clients
[20:24] <daftykins> yeah they'd get routes on connection
[20:24] <daftykins> inherited routes i think they call it
[20:24] <intrbiz> bigcalm: you can also use CCD to add routes to the local machine should you wish to allow the office to access something on the otherside of a client
[20:25] <bigcalm> So requests to 192.168.42.0/24 will be sent to 10.8.0.1?
[20:25] <daftykins> if that's the gateway for that subnet ja
[20:25] <intrbiz> bigcalm: if 10.8.0.1 is the OpenVPN server, yes
[20:25] <bigcalm> intrbiz: yeah, I've been reading about that. Not sure what use case there will be for the office side to directly connect to clients
[20:26] <daftykins> well you need two-way awareness for most communication to work of course
[20:26] <daftykins> e.g. a host on the work side needs to know the VPN subnet is available via the OpenVPN server, to reach clients in order to respond to a ping test
[20:26] <blizzard> Hia, I'm experiencing an odd issue with my USB HDD - is this the right place to ask? It does seem to be an Ubuntu specific problem.
[20:27] <bigcalm> !ask | blizzard
[20:27] <daftykins> fire away, blizzard
[20:27] <intrbiz> daftykins: the default gateway of the hosts on the work network needs to know how to route traffic to the VPN, not the actual hosts
[20:27] <daftykins> yeah true
[20:27] <bigcalm> intrbiz: when I got the vpn working at home this morning, I almost drove to the office to set things up there
[20:28] <bigcalm> Thankfully I wasn't a fool to myself for a change
[20:28] <daftykins> :D
[20:29] <daftykins> i too have learnt that lesson the hard way
[20:29] <intrbiz> daftykins: :)
[20:29] <daftykins> intrbiz: just obviously it gets its' routes from said box
[20:29] <daftykins> i went to replace a CMOS battery the other day and ended up having to do a whole motherboard swap =|
[20:29] <bigcalm> Ouch
[20:29] <daftykins> swapped the battery over, machine would not POST again no matter what i did
[20:30] <bigcalm> Battery upside down?
[20:30] <daftykins> nah
[20:30] <intrbiz> daftykins: well id you do try to extract the battery with a sledgehammer.......
[20:30] <daftykins> prior to replacing it, if it lost mains it wasn't POSTing again unless i used the jumper
[20:31] <daftykins> to reset ofc
[20:31] <bigcalm> intrbiz: do either part of my console cable work with your switch?
[20:31] <daftykins> blizzard: so... what's up?
[20:32] <foobarry> hey guys
[20:32] <blizzard> Thanks, I have recently purchased a USB 3 hard drive. I have just over 200GB of data to transfer across so I tried plugging it into the USB 3 port on the back of my PC to find that I get a transfer speed of 1.8Mb/s. I also tried in a USB 2 port and got just over 30Mb/s which dropped by about 0.5Mb/s every second until it reached 1.8Mb/s again. The drive is formatted using NFTS as I need to be able to access these files on a Windows PC
[20:32] <blizzard> later.
[20:32] <bigcalm> intrbiz: I blogged my numpty guide to getting the switch working: http://www.myrant.net/2015/06/06/basic-set-up-of-a-3com-4500-managed-network-switch/
[20:32] <foobarry> found a new twitter app today..is great
[20:32] <foobarry> no ads or junk
[20:32] <foobarry> lots of features
[20:32] <foobarry> its called twidere
[20:32] <foobarry> (android)
[20:33] <daftykins> blizzard: what's the target data? testing a single large file would be the best speed test
[20:33] <bigcalm> blizzard: I'm not saying that it isn't, but what makes you say that it's an Ubuntu specific issue?
[20:34] <bigcalm> blizzard: also, what's the read speed of the source drive?
[20:34] <blizzard> daftykins: I tried using a single 100GB file to test and encountered the same problem.
[20:34] <daftykins> also those units are megabits per second which isn't the correct choice for a disk transfer
[20:36] <daftykins> blizzard: which OS created the NTFS volume?
[20:36] <daftykins> does a Windows system function better with this same drive?
[20:38] <blizzard> The drive was formatted in Windows and has the advertised speeds on a Windows machine.
[20:38] <daftykins> ok mix it up by trying some other file systems and cluster sizes
[20:38] <intrbiz> bigcalm: cool
[20:38] <daftykins> exFAT would also be a good choice for a disk being shared between OSs
[20:39] <blizzard> daftykins: I'll give exFAT a go - I shall report back ^^
[20:44] <intrbiz> bigcalm: FYI I get no luck with that USB-Serial adapter
[20:44] <blizzard> Ok, so "sudo mkfs.exfat /dev/sda1" fails with "sudo: mkfs.exfat: command not found"
[20:45] <bigcalm> intrbiz: either part?
[20:45] <intrbiz> bigcalm: tried the USB-Serial adapter with the 3com cable, no joy
[20:45] <bigcalm> Poo
[20:46] <intrbiz> bigcalm: the adapter isn't even detected on my chromebook, I get no data on my desktop
[20:46] <bigcalm> Weird
[20:46] <bigcalm> It was on my workstation and laptop
[20:47] <bigcalm> I have the switch set-up to accept SSH and web now. So can bring your cables back to you tomorrow
[20:47] <intrbiz> I'll bring it along tomorrow and you can see if you get any luck with it + the cable you have
[20:47] <daftykins> blizzard: make it from Windows
[20:47] <bigcalm> Oh, okay, thanks
[20:48] <intrbiz> bigcalm: I'm also fairly certain that the older 3coms use a different RJ45 pinout to Cisco (and I think the new 3com / HP kit) :(
[20:48] <bigcalm> blizzard: do you have `exfat-utils` installed?
[20:48] <bigcalm> intrbiz: so that cable might work with a modern 3com/HP switch?
[20:49] <intrbiz> bigcalm: possibly, it'll work with a cisco switch
[20:49] <intrbiz> bigcalm: should you ever need to
[20:49] <bigcalm> Right
[20:50] <blizzard> bigcalm: I thought I did but obviously not - I've returned to Ubuntu after a long time with Windows so I'm still getting used to things again
[20:50] <bigcalm> Welcome back :)
[20:51] <blizzard> bigcalm: Thanks! :) The drive is now formatted and I'm going to give the copy another try
[20:51] <bigcalm> blizzard: good luck
[20:52] <daftykins> i still think it's a mistake creating exFAT on that side when wanting to mix usage, but ah well we'll see
[20:54] <blizzard> The speed started great! ~100MB/s Now it's dropped very fast to <10MB/s :(
[20:54] <daftykins> if there are multiple ports for USB 3, try another
[20:54] <blizzard> This is with the 100GB test file
[20:54] <daftykins> also disable any bluetooth you might have, as apparently they interfere
[20:55] <blizzard> daftykins: I don't have bluetooth - I'll try the other port ^^
[20:56] <blizzard> I'm having the same problem on the other port :/
[20:57] <daftykins> what's the USB controller in this machine? i noticed a bit ago that true intel chipset USB 3 gets far better speeds than the Fresco Logic / Renesas controller in my Asus
[20:58] <blizzard> It's a VIA Chipset - how would I find out the model number?
[20:59] <intrbiz> got a renesas uPD720202 controller in this box, get no issue hitting decent speeds with my USB3 HDD
[20:59] <intrbiz> blizzard: lspci -v or lscpi -vv
[21:00] <daftykins> yes but shockingly enough chips are implemented in different ways (:
[21:00] <Sebsebsebb> Hi
[21:01] <daftykins> evening
[21:01]  * bigcalm breaks the warranty seal on this 2006 network switch
[21:03] <Sebsebsebb> If you but a computer from us and put Linux on it, you will probably break the warranty depending on manufacturer. Yes I have had that kind of chat today with people from a company, and I am thinking if I should even care about the warranty or not really
[21:03] <blizzard> Here is the result from lspci -vv - I can't make head nor tail of this :( http://pastebin.com/tzfnduAW
[21:03] <Sebsebsebb> Buy a above
[21:03] <intrbiz> gets 90MiB/s off USB3 HDD
[21:05] <bigcalm> I can't decide if there is more or less gubbins inside this network switch than I expected
[21:05] <Sebsebsebb> I guess warranty is useless anyway unless up for sending off somewhere if breaks enough
[21:09] <intrbiz> Sebsebsebb: not uncommon to remove HDD when sending off for repair
[21:09] <Sebsebsebb> Yeah some do trucks
[21:10] <Sebsebsebb> Like putting the defsultb windows hard dusk back in
[21:10] <Azelphur> Can anyone who's a bit more wizard than me confirm that when you're writing a wrapper shell script that passes all arguments to another program, you'd use "$@" and not $@ ? (like this https://github.com/Azelphur/pcsx2/blob/master/bin/PCSX2-linux.sh#L73 )
[21:10] <Sebsebsebb> Tricks above
[21:10] <Azelphur> And if there would be any unforseen consequences in changing $@ to "$@"
[21:11] <intrbiz> Azelphur: "$@" will essentially "" quote each element of $@
[21:11] <Azelphur> I see, interesting
[21:11] <intrbiz> Azelphur: you'd use "$@" in  a wrapper script, to avoice spaces in arguments breaking what you invoke
[21:12] <intrbiz> s/avoice/avoid/
[21:12] <Azelphur> yup, good I'm getting it right then :)
[21:12] <Sebsebsebb> A seller I been in contact with today someone from that suggested I contacted manufacture about Linux and warranty, but I guess not much point really
[21:12] <daftykins> Sebsebsebb: why did you need to get in touch about warranty? what happened?
[21:13] <Sebsebsebb> Nothing just decideing on what lap tois to buy soo
[21:13] <blizzard> Is it possible the drive write speed is actually really slow and the high speeds I see are just some kind of buffer?
[21:14] <daftykins> well all disks have cache
[21:14] <Sebsebsebb> Although it seems with ho your indeed on your own when got Linux on there
[21:15] <Sebsebsebb> probably for others like acer and asus to
[21:15] <Sebsebsebb> Hp above
[21:16] <Sebsebsebb> They all just support  Windows really, even the ones who pretend to like Linux or well to some extent such as HP and Dell
[21:17] <intrbiz> blizzard: how fast is the driver under windows?
[21:18] <blizzard> intrbiz: Around 100MB/s
[21:19] <intrbiz> blizzard: sustained
[21:20] <Sebsebsebb> So is uefu pretty much a non issue now with most distros? Dual booting with windows or multi booting with windows and a few distros even?
[21:20] <Sebsebsebb> U EFI
[21:21] <blizzard> intrbiz: It's usually between 80MB/s and 100MB/s
[21:21] <Azelphur> This is why I love open source stuff, people say nobody ever goes into the code. Started using PCSX2 less than 2 hours ago and my patch is already in master
[21:22] <blizzard> Trying to mount the source HDD and getting this error now http://pastebin.com/mqQ0fGqn
[21:22] <daftykins> Sebsebsebb: it's been easy for ages yeah, but you need to have some knowledge in mind to make it easy
[21:22] <intrbiz> blizzard: ok, that would suggest the drive is fine, and the issues are Linux driver related
[21:23] <blizzard> intrbiz: ok, is there any fix? I heard something about mounting the drive async but I have no idea how or what it really means
[21:24] <Sebsebsebb> daftykins Even after reading this blog post about it from Mageia's blog
[21:24] <Sebsebsebb> I am hmmm about it
[21:24] <daftykins> *cough* we were at that understanding earlier, intrbiz ;)
[21:24] <intrbiz> blizzard: are you copying NTFS to USB HDD from linux?
[21:24] <Sebsebsebb> Since not got any experience with UEFI
[21:24] <daftykins> Sebsebsebb: what about the actual EFI factoid link?
[21:24] <daftykins> !efi
[21:25] <daftykins> it is very simple to boot windows 8, resize your C: from inside Windows to make space for ubuntu, boot ubuntu from flash drive - then install beside
[21:25] <blizzard> intrbiz: Yeah, the source drive is NTFS
[21:25] <intrbiz> Sebsebsebb: it's irrelevant what yours, mine, or most other peoples thoughts on EFI are, its a reality
[21:26] <daftykins> i thought you just redid it to exFAT? :>
[21:26] <blizzard> daftykins: the external drive is exFAT, the internal drive is NTFS#
[21:27] <daftykins> ah that kind of source drive
[21:27] <intrbiz> blizzard: have you tested how fast it is to copy the NTFS source drive to something else?
[21:27] <Sebsebsebb> Intrbiz yeah but I am in the verge have having two new computers sent to me, one is for someone else, but yes the idea is to dual boy them at learnt windows and Linux
[21:28] <blizzard> intrbiz: I'll give that a go now
[21:28] <Sebsebsebb> Might even try multi booting with more than one disttro on mine if u EFI doesn't cause to ,many problems
[21:30] <Sebsebsebb> So things need to work and then :)
[21:31] <blizzard> intrbiz: You may be on to something! From one internal NTFS drive to another, the speed was a blistering 1MB/s
[21:34] <intrbiz> blizzard: righty, NTFS-3G does have some known performance problems, but 1MB/s seems rather slow
[21:34] <intrbiz> blizzard: are you able to copy what you want from Windows?
[21:36] <bigcalm> Time to fix a large G&T for the returning wife
[21:37] <blizzard> I can copy the stuff from Windows but I'm stuck with 20MB/s because Windows has stopped recognising the USB3 chipset completely
[21:37] <daftykins> o0
[21:37] <intrbiz> blizzard: ah, not having much luck
[21:37] <daftykins> it... has? in what way? flagged up in device manager with issues?
[21:38] <blizzard> It doesn't even show up in device manager
[21:41] <daftykins> laptop?
[21:41] <daftykins> time to pull the mains and battery
[21:41] <blizzard> I'm on a desktop
[21:42] <daftykins> mains pull is always good to reset USB controllers
[21:43] <blizzard> Shut down first or just kill it?
[21:43] <daftykins> yeah safe shutdown
[21:44] <blizzard> I'll be back shortly - I'll just see if it fixes anything
[22:08] <intrbiz> ah, lights out cards allow one to be so lazy
[22:24] <bigcalm> intrbiz:  Finally sorted out the routing that I wanted: http://paste.ubuntu.com/11634762/
[22:24] <bigcalm> I'm even connecting to my irssi proxy via the tunnel rather than internal network :)
[22:32] <intrbiz> bigcalm: cool :)
[22:35] <intrbiz> bigcalm: out of interest what is the value of 'server' in your openvpn server config?
[22:35] <intrbiz> bigcalm: are you using tls-auth on your openvpn server?
[22:36] <bigcalm> I don't think that I changed the default config for server
[22:36] <bigcalm> server 192.168.81.0 255.255.255.0
[22:37] <bigcalm> So I did change the default, just couldn't remember the settings :)
[22:45] <intrbiz> bigcalm: you might want to add 'topology                subnet' to your server cfg, reccomened for new installs
[22:46] <bigcalm> What does that do?
[22:46] <blizzard> Hia, I have returned with a fully working USB 3 chipset - thanks for the tip!
[22:47] <daftykins> blizzard: power pull worked huh?
[22:47] <daftykins> \o/
[22:47] <daftykins> cheapest fix
[22:50] <blizzard> daftykins: Yup! I have now copied everything across - Strangely enough, when I was shutting down, the system hung telling me that lsusb was delaying shutdown or something so I ended up hitting the reset switch anyway :P
[22:51] <intrbiz> bigcalm: it uses a normal subnet topology rather than putting each client in a /30 subnet
[23:23] <bigcalm> Ah, okay. I'll look at that tomorrow
[23:23] <bigcalm> Thanks
[23:23] <daftykins> www.twitch.tv/daftpunkle
[23:23] <daftykins> Dying Light xbox one intro
[23:26] <directhex> i should have played splatoon this evening.