[00:23] <rusbus> solidity in atom set tab equal to 4 spaces
[00:23] <rusbus> sorted
[00:27] <kulelu88> you a night-owl? rusbus 
[00:30] <rusbus> I used to be
[00:30] <rusbus> not anymore cause of work
[00:33] <rusbus> night
[06:21] <Kilos> morning nlsthzn  and everyone else
[07:23] <nlsthzn> o/
[08:09] <captine> morning all
[08:09] <Kilos> hi captine  hows things?
[08:09] <Kilos> hi georgelappies  
[08:09] <captine> ok.  finally finished a project that had me at the office till all hours of hte morning
[08:10] <captine> so things should be getting to normal
[08:10] <Kilos> i just spent an hour looking at comments on facebook, something i rarely do
[08:11] <Kilos> looks like there will never be such a thing as normal anymore
[08:11] <Kilos> i see the fly has learned to bake bread and make pizza too
[08:12] <Kilos> made me hungry looking at it
[08:12] <Cryterion> being unique is far from normal
[08:12] <Kilos> hi Cryterion  
[08:12] <Cryterion> hiya
[08:12] <Kilos> captine  we have had a flood of new peeps here
[08:12] <captine> awesome
[08:13] <captine> Kilos, wanted to ask you about your take on the KDE dev and the community council.  Struggling to get my head around what happened.
[08:13] <Kilos> imo its all about um
[08:13] <Kilos> sec lemme think
[08:14] <captine> um?
[08:14] <Kilos> when peeps differ of opinion and instead of being friendly about it getting agro with each other
[08:15] <Kilos> um is when i try think
[08:15] <Kilos> when it takes a while then its followed by er
[08:15] <captine> lol
[08:15] <captine> ok
[08:16] <Kilos> they gotta sort it because i <3 kde
[08:18] <Kilos> saw an interesting link in the lists for ubuntu users but dont wanna try on my kde
[08:18] <Kilos> http://news.softpedia.com/news/You-Can-Now-Install-and-Test-Unity-8-and-Mir-in-Any-Supported-Ubuntu-OS-483206.shtml
[08:19] <Kilos> unity 8 is he thing thats gonna get convergence going if i read things correctly
[08:19] <Kilos> ai! sticky t
[08:23] <superfly> Kilos: they might rename Kubuntu and use Debian instead of Ubuntu. They'll keep KDE. 
[08:23] <Kilos> whew ty superfly  
[08:24] <georgelappies> hi all
[08:24] <georgelappies> hi Kilos
[08:25] <Kilos> hows georgelappies  today
[08:25] <superfly> Kilos: you can always use Debian, which has KDE
[08:25] <georgelappies> lol, good thanks. Cold but good :)
[08:26] <superfly> It's a little warmer today in Cape Town 
[08:26] <Kilos> superfly  i will, if things get bad, but im kinda loyal to ubuntu so long
[08:26] <Kilos> superfly  you must eat freshly baked bread when its hot
[08:26] <Kilos> very lekker 
[08:26] <Kilos> hi chris_za  
[08:27] <chris_za> howdie
[08:27] <superfly> Kilos: I know, it just didn't work out that way. 
[08:27] <superfly> Hi chris_za 
[08:27] <Kilos> and your pizza looks great
[08:27] <chris_za> was just setting this up for when I get stuck lol
[08:27] <Kilos> chris_za  you been here before hey?
[08:27] <superfly> Kilos: that's mrs_fly's pizza 
[08:27] <chris_za> nope 1st time
[08:27] <Kilos> tell her it looks yummy
[08:28] <Kilos> chris_za  welcome to ubuntu-za
[08:28] <superfly> Kilos: it was very yummy ;-) 
[08:28] <chris_za> ty :), I promise to behave lol
[08:28] <Kilos> you are welcome to hang here 24/7
[08:28] <Kilos> if you need help chris_za  just state your prob
[08:29] <chris_za> so far my probs are unfixable lol
[08:29] <Kilos> lol
[08:29] <chris_za> switched to ubuntu finally and none of my damn prnt's will work :)
[08:29] <Kilos> tell us a bit about yourself chris_za  starting with how you found us
[08:30] <Kilos> ai!
[08:32] <Kilos> superfly  do you use enigmail?
[08:33] <Kilos> pro got me to go through all of that yesterday
[08:34] <Kilos> now did i chase chris or is it net probs
[08:34] <Kilos> sigh
[08:38] <superfly> Kilos: no, my email is Web based 
[08:38] <Kilos> ah
[08:38] <Kilos> what a job all this security is
[08:47] <captine> superfly, I am a little annoyed with this Kubuntu thing.  Really hope to get the full picture to see where I lie.. I love Unity, and am really enjoying Gnome 3 on 15.04... but to be honest, never really found KDE to be my thing.  Used it on Arch for about 3 months and enjoyed it, but for my use case, find Gnome and Unity to fit me...  that said, still want to know whats happening, as I would hate Kubuntu to disappear.
[08:49] <captine> PS, anyone seen the roundcube indiegogo... I hope companies like my ISP (Cybersmart) club in given their use of Roundcube...
[08:50] <Kilos> hi rusbus  
[09:17] <solidity> rusbus> solidity in atom set tab equal to 4 spaces
[09:17] <solidity> That is like sweeping dirt under the rug.
[09:17] <solidity> I will know those aren't real tabs but fake tabs.
[09:25] <stickyboy> atom text editor is pretty... but not ready yet.
[09:25] <solidity> Well, I was looking for a lightweight editor, but it turns out this thing is fairly large.
[09:25] <solidity> And slower than I expected.
[09:26] <solidity> but I haven't actually used it yet
[09:28] <Cryterion> Cryt-Survival: players
[09:28] <stickyboy> solidity: Yah, it's CSS + JS. Pretty heavy.
[09:28] <Cryterion> hmm, wrong room
[09:28] <stickyboy> solidity: Speaking of, lemme update my installed version + plugins...
[09:29] <stickyboy> I keep checking it every week or two.
[09:31] <solidity> Is it built with CSS + JS?
[09:31] <superfly> captine: Kubuntu is not really going to go anywhere. It may change name and morph somewhat, but JRiddell, ScottK and the others are not going anywhere. 
[09:32] <stickyboy> solidity: Yeah, Atom is Chromium + NodeJS.
[09:32] <solidity> oh wow
[09:32] <solidity> that is interesting
[09:34] <stickyboy> Yah
[09:34] <solidity> Maybe I'll keep using it them simply because if that is the platform for it's "hackability" then I should be able to get started right away.
[09:34] <stickyboy> It even has a plugin for vim key bindings...
[09:35] <solidity> Yeah I saw.
[09:37] <solidity> It is more responsive today, guess it was just because it was the first time running yesterday and it hand to cache things and whatnot.
[09:38] <solidity> had*
[09:43] <stickyboy> solidity: True
[09:43] <stickyboy> It does stuff in the backend. Sometimes I see apm doing stuff in htop.
[09:48] <stickyboy> https://archive.org/stream/GuerillaOpenAccessManifesto/Goamjuly2008_djvu.txt
[09:49] <solidity> This is very relevant to my interests.
[09:50] <stickyboy> solidity: The open access manifesto?
[09:50] <solidity> Ran into paywalls for science papers way too often.
[09:50] <stickyboy> It's by Aaron Swartz... who... killed himself.
[09:50] <solidity> I'm still reading, but I like what I'm reading.
[09:53] <solidity> Why?
[09:53] <solidity> inb4 illuminati assassination made to look like suicide
[10:01] <solidity> Can't believe I haven't heard of this guy before.
[10:03] <stickyboy> Yah, he founded Reddit and was influential in some other web standards, like RSS I think.
[10:08] <solidity>  Swartz has been identified as a cofounder of Reddit, but the title is a source of controversy. With the merger of Infogami and Reddit, Swartz became a coowner and director of parent company Not A Bug, Inc., along with Reddit cofounders Steve Huffman and Alexis Ohanian.[220
[13:00] <squish102> ssh'ing from windows i use mobaxterm... now that i have a mac, what is a good one?
[13:03] <rusbus> solidity how is it sweeping dirt under a rug?
[13:03] <rusbus> and atom is slow on startup
[13:03] <rusbus> but fast otherwise
[13:03] <rusbus> unless if you're opening a VERY large file and trying to ctrl+f through it, you won't think it's slow
[13:20] <rusbus> Kilos 
[13:20] <Kilos> yes
[13:20] <rusbus> I found tinned curry mix veggies
[13:20] <rusbus> :D
[13:20] <Kilos> golddish?
[13:20] <rusbus> rhodes quality
[13:21] <rusbus> still good
[13:21] <rusbus> if you never mentioned it I would have been blind to it
[13:21] <rusbus> but now I looked for curried veg and found em :D
[13:21] <Kilos> i use all the others for adding to a curry i make but the golddish i eat straight out the tin
[13:21] <rusbus> I wish they still sold tinned biryai - love that stuff
[13:21] <rusbus> hmm I need to find golddish then
[13:22] <rusbus> I'm currently chowing this straight from the tin :p
[13:22] <Kilos> next time look for gold dish and tell me what you think
[13:22] <rusbus> I wish this was spicier but still very good
[13:22] <Kilos> they have the recipe spot on and not lots of water with i
[13:22] <Kilos> it
[13:22] <rusbus> ya this one is more watery than I'd like tbh
[13:23] <Kilos> you will see the diffs when you find it
[13:23] <Kilos> also to make it better you can make your own with it
[13:23] <rusbus> where do you buy from?
[13:23] <rusbus> I went to checkers
[13:23] <Kilos> fry onions and garlic and he spices you want then add the curry
[13:24] <Kilos> all of the supermarkets
[13:24] <rusbus> hmm they didn't have golddish
[13:24] <rusbus> or I didn't find it
[13:24] <Kilos> golddish was the first we could get then the others followed suite
[13:25] <rusbus> is it mixed veg
[13:25] <rusbus> or something else?
[13:25] <Kilos> mixed veg
[13:25] <rusbus> I bought some curry powder
[13:25] <rusbus> keen to make some curry mince
[13:25] <rusbus> and make some roti's
[13:25] <rusbus> :D
[13:25] <Kilos> less water for starters than the others and richer flavour
[13:26] <Kilos> rajah curry powder is the best
[13:26] <rusbus> thats what I got :D
[13:26] <Kilos> for peeps that cant take hot food the mild and spicy is best
[13:26] <Kilos> if you want it hot you add chili 
[13:27] <Kilos> i have my recipe somewhere ill post it for you when i find it
[13:27] <Kilos> oh and you in durbs
[13:27] <rusbus> ye
[13:27] <Kilos> you can get curry leaves there too
[13:27] <rusbus> I like it hot
[13:27] <rusbus> :D
[13:28] <rusbus> ya there is actually a gorimas like 20m from where I work
[13:28] <rusbus> so I can always get stuff easily
[13:28] <Kilos> i have a curry leaf tree here i have to carry in every winter
[13:28] <rusbus> you carry every winter?
[13:28] <rusbus> thats something I need to grow myself
[13:28] <Kilos> carry the tree inside or frost kills it
[13:28] <rusbus> they make for good looking trees
[13:29] <rusbus> oh so yours is potted
[13:29] <Kilos> you can get them at nursaries there
[13:29] <Kilos> yes large pot
[13:29] <Kilos> makes quite a big bush/tree thing
[13:30] <rusbus> I like to grow my stuff from seeds
[13:30] <Kilos> leaves add taste to any stew without hot curry burn
[13:30] <rusbus> I wanted to grow a lemon tree but bought one from a nursery and it hasn't grown in like 6 months that I've had it :(
[13:30] <Kilos> these grow from roots sprouting
[13:30] <rusbus> what insects chow your tree?
[13:31] <Kilos> all around the curry tree new trees come up
[13:31] <Kilos> none
[13:31] <rusbus> wonder if it'll be the same here
[13:31] <Kilos> curry leaf onion and garlic is about all that bugs dont attack
[13:31] <rusbus> how do you wash/prepare your leaves?
[13:32] <Kilos> yes man i brought my first one from our place in toti
[13:32] <Kilos> i just pick them and throw then in
[13:32] <Kilos> hehe
[13:32] <rusbus> that sounds dangerous to me xD
[13:32] <rusbus> #ubuntu-za-cooking
[13:32] <rusbus> xD
[13:33] <rusbus> #ubuntu-za-curry
[13:33] <Kilos> ill get you a pic of the tree
[13:33] <rusbus> cool :D
[13:33] <rusbus> I had an... incident with a friends fathers curry tree
[13:33] <rusbus> I don't think he ever forgave me :p
[13:34] <rusbus> being the young, testosterone filled adrenaline junkie I was
[13:34] <rusbus> I was on my friends BMX
[13:34] <rusbus> with him on the back pegs
[13:34] <rusbus> cycling as hard as I could down his steep road
[13:34] <rusbus> took my hands off the handlebars to make my friend shit himself
[13:34] <rusbus> which he did
[13:35] <rusbus> took a corner like that
[13:35] <rusbus> and into his driveway
[13:35] <rusbus> everything was under control
[13:35] <rusbus> but he had these big potholes in his driveway
[13:35] <rusbus> I tried to go left around it and he freaked out and put his weight to the right
[13:35] <rusbus> we smacked the pothole and went flying into the tree
[13:35] <rusbus> and OWNED it
[13:36] <Kilos> lol
[13:36] <Kilos> just touching those leaves make me hungry
[13:36] <Kilos> what a lekker smell
[13:36] <rusbus> pavlovs dog :D
[13:37] <Kilos> my sis must mail me the pic
[13:37] <Kilos> my stupid fone can do pics
[13:37] <rusbus> lol
[13:39] <Kilos> i mean cant
[13:39] <rusbus> I knew what you meant :)
[13:39] <Kilos> pm me youe email addy
[13:39] <Kilos> i make lotsa typos
[13:39] <Kilos> sorry
[13:40] <rusbus> my mother has conditioned me to read poorly constructed sentences :p
[13:40] <rusbus> (not that yours are)
[13:41] <Kilos> lol
[13:42] <Kilos> i even have an advocado pear tree that also must come in in winter
[13:42] <Kilos> i really miss toti
[13:42] <Kilos> the old toti
[13:43] <rusbus> I grew 5 avo trees from pips, my sisters bery young son killed the one
[13:43] <rusbus> I need bigger pots for them now
[13:43] <rusbus> they're about 2 years old
[13:43] <rusbus> very*
[13:43] <rusbus> oh, Kilos, your tree is quite small
[13:44] <rusbus> my friends fathers free was a little taller than I am
[13:44] <rusbus> quite a decent size
[13:44] <rusbus> I feel hungry looking at a plant :p
[13:45] <Kilos> see the thicks stalks
[13:45] <rusbus> ya
[13:45] <Kilos> i keep cutting it down so i can carry it in
[13:46] <Kilos> they have them in the nursaries around warners winkel i think
[13:47] <Kilos> nursaries
[13:47] <Kilos> sjoe something looks wrong
[13:47] <rusbus> there is a nursary in winkle?
[13:47] <Kilos> on the road from warners to winkel there used to be a good one
[13:49] <rusbus> I think I only know of two
[13:49] <rusbus> illovo nursary
[13:49] <rusbus> and then there is a halls mica nursery that is relatively new
[13:49] <Kilos> just ask around
[13:50] <rusbus> a lot changes in 20 years :p
[13:50] <Kilos> they get where the new sprout comes up and take a bit of root on either side and pot it
[13:50] <Kilos> yeah
[13:50] <rusbus> when last were you here?
[13:50] <Kilos> whew lemme work on that
[13:51] <Kilos> i think been gone since 88
[13:51] <rusbus> 27 years
[13:51] <Kilos> haha
[13:51] <rusbus> I know this cause my sister was born in 88 and just turned 27 :p
[13:52] <Kilos> lol
[13:52] <rusbus> when last were you in UMHLANGA?
[13:52] <rusbus> that place...
[13:52] <rusbus> in like 10 years
[13:52] <rusbus> went from sugar can to this massive beast
[13:52] <rusbus> well back in 88 it wasn't even umhlanga
[13:52] <rusbus> do you remember where the sharks board was?
[13:53] <rusbus> not sure how long it's been where it is
[13:53] <Kilos> yes
[13:53] <rusbus> there durban north area
[13:53] <Kilos> i met beula there
[13:53] <rusbus> in all that sugar cane
[13:53] <rusbus> beula?
[13:53] <Kilos> beula davies i think her name is
[13:53] <Kilos> was head of sharks board
[13:53] <rusbus> who is that? xD
[13:53] <rusbus> oh
[13:53] <rusbus> well when I was a kid
[13:53] <rusbus> you literally travelled on a long road
[13:53] <rusbus> and got to the sharks board
[13:53] <Kilos> yes
[13:54] <rusbus> it was just sugar cane everywhere
[13:54] <rusbus> now it's madness
[13:54] <rusbus> thats near where I work now
[13:54] <Kilos> at the sharks board?
[13:54] <rusbus> down the road from it
[13:54] <Kilos> ah
[13:54] <rusbus> https://www.google.co.za/maps/place/Kwazulu-Natal+Sharks+Board/@-29.718266,31.0831562,14z/data=!4m2!3m1!1s0x1ef705f4cd231243:0xfeb6a6b80c5315c4?hl=en
[13:54] <rusbus> just zoom out on that map
[13:55] <rusbus> 10 years ago it was ONLY the sharks board there
[13:55] <rusbus> ok maybe 15 years
[13:55] <rusbus> go into street view
[13:55] <rusbus> and look at how built up it is
[13:56] <rusbus> the sharks board could sell their land for big moola now
[13:56] <Kilos> wow
[13:56] <rusbus> those images are 2 years old
[13:57] <rusbus> whatever you see under construction there has been finished
[13:57] <rusbus> and more stuff next to it
[13:57] <Kilos> when i left, if you travelled up to pmb there was nothing behind about 3ks past elgro
[13:57] <rusbus> elgro?
[13:57] <Kilos> all sugar cane too
[13:57] <rusbus> why would you go past elgro
[13:58] <Kilos> elgro flats on top of the hill 
[13:58] <rusbus> I know elgro
[13:58] <rusbus> but why go past elgro to go to PMB?
[13:58] <gremble> o/
[13:58] <rusbus> o/
[13:58] <Kilos> no man i mean up the pmb road 
[13:58] <Kilos> there wasnt much other side of elgro
[13:59] <rusbus> 'the pmb road' == ?
[13:59] <Kilos> like from where you turned left to illovo sugarestates there was nothing
[13:59] <rusbus> oh the uuhh
[13:59] <rusbus> R206 or w/e it's called
[13:59] <Kilos> the pmb road from winkel up 
[13:59] <rusbus> you'd go that route to PMB? xD
[14:00] <Kilos> yes
[14:00] <rusbus> I don't think I've ever done that :p
[14:00] <rusbus> I've taken that road to other places
[14:00] <Kilos> was a lekker road for a fast bike
[14:00] <rusbus> but never to pmb
[14:00] <rusbus> ya I've taken my bike along there
[14:01] <Kilos> many cane trucks though to make things interesting at 200 kph
[14:01] <rusbus> ya and dropped sugar cane...
[14:01] <Kilos> lol
[14:01] <Kilos> i loved speed
[14:01] <rusbus> same
[14:02] <rusbus> o/
[14:02] <Kilos> my moto guzzi le mans i think it was loved that road
[14:02] <rusbus> it has been a VERY long time since I've seen a moto guzzi
[14:02] <Kilos> wonderful handling bikes
[14:03] <rusbus> maybe at those days standards :p
[14:03] <Kilos> even better than my bmw r100s
[14:03] <rusbus> that bwm
[14:03] <rusbus> had a boxster motor?
[14:03] <rusbus> that gives me shivers thinking about it
[14:03] <rusbus> I'd never want to ride it
[14:03] <Kilos> tose days we spoke of german quality and reliability and jap scrap
[14:04] <Kilos> wonderful bike
[14:04] <Kilos> very forgiving 
[14:04] <rusbus> I'm pretty sure thats the same bike my uncle crashed and broke both arms, both legs and many ribs :p
[14:04] <Kilos> and warm feet in winter
[14:05] <Kilos> crashed how
[14:05] <Kilos> into something
[14:12] <Kilos> rusbus  you here?
[14:12] <Kilos> http://bin.snyman.info/cxvrh
[14:33] <rusbus> sorry, was cooking dinner for my doggies
[14:33] <rusbus> with all our juicy left overs
[14:34] <rusbus> Kilos I think cause of the boxster engine he was going through an S type corner
[14:34] <rusbus> was fine on the right hander
[14:34] <rusbus> crashed on the left hander
[14:34] <rusbus> cause the pistons go side to side
[14:34] <rusbus> so he said he felt more pull the one side
[14:34] <rusbus> and bam
[14:34] <Kilos> na man
[14:35] <Kilos> he played wrong with the throttle
[14:35] <Kilos> but he learned
[14:35] <rusbus> well I never really understood it myself
[14:35] <rusbus> but that is his story
[14:35] <Kilos> lol
[14:35] <Kilos> did you go see my recipe
[14:35] <rusbus> pretty sure it has the same centrifugal force no matter the side you lean
[14:35] <rusbus> ya I got it open
[14:35] <rusbus> just watching something
[14:35] <Kilos> you can add chili or use a hotter rajah
[14:35] <rusbus> http://www.twitch.tv/orenaza
[14:36] <rusbus> ^ 
[14:36] <rusbus> the winners of this game get to go compete in canada
[14:36] <rusbus> bvd the favorites are 1 round from losing
[14:36] <rusbus> also my cousin plays for bvd
[14:36] <Kilos> i dont watch moving things, they waste my data
[14:36] <rusbus> oh
[14:36] <rusbus> #cappedlife
[14:36] <rusbus> it's a competitive csgo game being played live
[14:36] <Kilos> lol
[14:36] <Kilos> cool
[14:39] <rusbus> oh there is still 1 more map to be played
[14:41] <rusbus> Kilos thanks for the recipe
[14:41] <rusbus> saved :D
[14:41] <Kilos> yw
[15:28] <inetpro> good afternoon
[15:29]  * inetpro shedding the stupid eskom load again
[15:37] <Kilos> ai!
[15:37] <Kilos> hi theblazehen  
[16:13] <gremble> Has something happened with WhatsApp? A lot of strangers switching to Telegram suddenly
[16:17] <rusbus> telegram is great
[16:17] <rusbus> get on it!
[16:18] <gremble> I use it
[16:18] <rusbus> good man.
[16:19] <gremble> I like it because it has a very nice desktop application
[16:19] <rusbus> yes
[16:19] <rusbus> you can get it on any platform
[16:19] <rusbus> doesn't do the dumb proxy thing whatsapp web does
[16:19] <squish102> is it the same as the other million ones?
[16:19] <rusbus> and it's opensource
[16:19] <rusbus> the protocol
[16:19] <squish102> hangouts/skype etc
[16:19] <rusbus> no
[16:19] <gremble> Nah
[16:19] <gremble> lighter
[16:19] <rusbus> different in it's own way
[16:19] <gremble> I like it. Looks very nice
[16:19] <rusbus> prolly better encryption
[16:20] <rusbus> I love them stickers
[16:20] <rusbus> xD
[16:20] <rusbus> many lulz
[16:20] <gremble> Also has a nice encryption protocol
[16:20] <squish102> ohhh, can i buy sticker packs?
[16:20] <inetpro> yes Telegram is really much better than whatsapp
[16:20] <rusbus> free sticker packs
[16:20] <gremble> They're free
[16:20] <gremble> I have no idea how they make money
[16:20] <gremble> :P
[16:20]  * inetpro is back on power again \o/
[16:20] <gremble> Nice
[16:20] <gremble> Also, hello inetpro 
[16:21] <rusbus> gremble the one co-founder/owner of VK (russian FB) funds it himself
[16:21] <rusbus> they made MTProto (the protocol) for lulz
[16:21] <Kilos> yay inetpro  
[16:22] <gremble> Unless it makes money, it will start doing stupid shit
[16:22] <inetpro> the fact that you need to have the mobile on the network while using Whatsapp on the browser/desktop is absolutely stupid
[16:23] <rusbus> yes ^
[16:23] <rusbus> your phone is a proxy
[16:23] <rusbus> ;c
[16:23] <squish102> never knew why whatsapp got so popular
[16:23] <squish102> other than the privacy thing
[16:26] <gremble> Just one of those things
[16:27] <Kilos> ok so where do you register with telegram or will pidgin sort that side
[16:28] <Kilos> fly told me long ago to get it
[16:28] <gremble> You register with your phone I think
[16:28] <Kilos> ai! again'
[16:29] <squish102> i think i have to try stick to one... line,oovoo,hangouts,sms,skype,whatsapp and facebook messenger
[16:29] <squish102> i think that is all i have on my phone
[16:29] <gremble> Most of those are shit :P
[16:30] <squish102> the one i use the most is probably hangouts because it does sms too
[16:30] <squish102> and for some reason ppl still stick with sms
[16:31] <gremble> I only get smses from the church
[16:37] <solidity> All these IM networks and protocols.
[16:38] <solidity> Would be great if you could just use one, but not everyone is on any particular one.
[16:38] <Kilos> pidgin
[16:39] <gremble> pidgin is not a specific one
[16:39] <Kilos> pidgin can do them all
[16:39] <gremble> Pidgin cannot do xmpp anymore. Google is dropping support for it
[16:39] <Kilos> even telegram i see now
[16:40] <solidity> can't use pidgin on android it seems
[16:40] <Kilos> mine still works, just see it as hangouts now but still with xmpp
[16:40] <gremble> Pidgin is a computer client for protocols
[16:40] <Kilos> oh i thought you meant on pc
[16:40] <solidity> both pc and android
[16:41] <solidity> any network, any protocol, any platform
[16:41] <solidity> the world needs this
[16:43] <squish102> anyone do js, or mongo? doind a beginners course and i am stuck with a stupid update
[16:43] <solidity> I know a bit of js
[16:43] <Kilos> what does this say?
[16:43] <Kilos> https://pidgin.im/pipermail/support/2012-May/025333.html
[16:44] <squish102> so I do the following: var myobj = db.products.find({_id : ObjectId("507d95d5719dbef170f15c00")})
[16:45] <squish102> gives me an object called myobj... now i want to update a field called term_years
[16:45] <squish102> can i not do myobj.term_years = 3
[16:46] <solidity> I'm not familiar with mongo.
[16:47] <solidity> Did you change the object and then update the db with it?
[16:47] <solidity> Or does mongo automatically update when you change the object?
[16:48] <squish102> have not tried to update db yet. just trying to assign a new value to the obj before i update db
[16:48] <solidity> dot notation should work yes
[16:48] <solidity> another way to do it is myobj['term_years'] = 3;
[16:49] <squish102> ok will try tx
[16:49] <solidity> But as long as the property isn't set be immutable(which is the default) you can just assign a new value.
[16:51] <solidity> If you want to double check before you push to the db you use console.log(myobj)
[16:53] <solidity> or console.log(myobj.term_years) actually
[16:54] <solidity> kilos: that links shows an app called IM+, a multiprotocol app, but it only supports one of the networks I use.
[16:55] <Kilos> ok i tried
[16:55] <Kilos> i dont like them android things
[16:56] <Kilos> eish ice again tonight
[16:57] <gremble> double = zipwith ($) (cycle [id, (*2)]) 
[16:57] <gremble> That is beautiful
[16:57] <gremble> D:
[17:00] <gremble> It doesn't work as expected :(
[17:47] <inetpro> and now?
[17:47]  * inetpro thought they would never stop talking
[17:50] <Kilos> lol
[18:01] <Cryterion> and load shedding starts lol
[19:01] <MaNI> Cryterion, load shedding back?
[19:03] <MaNI> so much for the "no loadshedding this winter" claims ;)
[19:12] <Cryterion> seems like it, dead on schedule to, not a minute late
[19:12] <Cryterion> lappy is now a flatty, may be back later
[20:09] <smile> Hi :)
[20:10] <inetpro> wb smile 
[20:11] <smile> Thank you
[20:11] <smile> :)
[20:17] <smile> How are you inetpro 
[20:17] <inetpro> all good thanks and you? 
[20:18] <smile> Except for money affairs and head aches pretty good
[20:18] <smile> :)
[20:20] <smile> I should find a student job :)
[20:21] <inetpro> take a cold shower, it will save money and is healthy 
[20:31] <smile> Not eating will also save money
[20:33] <inetpro> hmm... not healthy 
[20:34] <smile> Not paying bills will also save money
[20:34] <smile> :-P
[20:35] <inetpro> ai! 
[20:35] <inetpro> you'll get more headaches 
[20:36] <smile> Probably :-P
[20:36] <MaNI> until the debt collector comes for you, then it will cost you money :p
[20:36] <smile> I cant give them what I dont have
[20:36] <smile> ;-)
[20:36] <solidity> Give them your headache.
[20:37] <smile> Its not easily transferable :-P
[20:38] <solidity> But not impossible?
[20:38] <melodie> smile you can do it
[20:38] <solidity> Where there's a will there's a headbutt.
[20:38] <melodie> you explain your problems to them and ask them to help you solve
[20:39] <melodie> then they have the headache
[20:39] <melodie> solidity what is a headbutt ?
[20:39] <solidity> "A headbutt is a strike with the head, typically involving the use of robust parts of the cranium as the area of impact. Effective headbutting involves striking a sensitive area of an opponent using the forehead, such as the nose of an opponent."
[20:40] <melodie> aha !
[20:40] <melodie> un coup de tête
[20:40] <melodie> got it
[20:40] <smile> Kopstoot :-P
[20:40] <melodie> cheers
[20:40] <melodie> :p
[20:41] <melodie> I learned a new smiley, it looks like something of the kind:
[20:41] <smile> I found a fancy feature on my irc app jaay
[20:41] <melodie> :-Pd-:
[20:41] <smile> Lol
[20:41] <melodie> guess what it is?
[20:42] <smile> Headbutt
[20:42] <smile> :-P
[20:42] <melodie> no wrong
[20:42] <melodie> it's a French kiss
[20:42] <smile> :-(
[20:42] <smile> I see!
[20:43] <melodie> :D
[20:43] <smile> Tongzoen
[20:43] <smile> :-D
[20:43] <melodie> Tongue zehen?
[20:43] <smile> No. Tongue kiss
[20:43] <smile> Zoen is kiss
[20:44] <melodie> if you say "tongue" in French, it's a flat shoe used on the beach
[20:46] <smile> Slipper in Dutch :-P
[20:47] <melodie> and slipper in English are the shoes for inside the house (chaussons)
[20:47] <melodie> ^_^
[20:49] <smile> The word has two meanings/uses in Dutch. :)
[20:49] <smile> So that word matches both variants
[20:51] <smile> Melodie what technologies are you experienced with? :)
[20:52] <melodie> right now?
[20:52] <melodie> why this question?
[20:53] <smile> Yeah
[20:54] <smile> I want some bugs fixed :-P I can pay for it
[20:54] <melodie> I have rooted my smartphone, but didn't install a cyanogen rom because the android geeks haven't done one for my brand yet
[20:54] <melodie> smile didn't you say you lacked money?
[20:54] <melodie> but maybe this is the bug you want fixed?
[20:55] <smile> Yeah, for now. In two weeks my bank account will be recharged  :)
[20:55] <melodie> how do you do that? \o/
[20:55] <melodie> plain magic? XD
[20:56] <smile> Work hard. Spend all the money you had from before. Wait for the hard  money to come in.
[20:57] <melodie> ok
[20:57] <melodie> what do you need help with? 
[20:58] <smile> Wine bugs and LibreOffice bugs
[20:59] <smile> http://hugsmile.eu/tools/bug
[21:00] <melodie> wine has features, the bug is the need of using windows applications.
[21:01] <melodie> concerning LO, you need to talk to the lo devs, at #libreoffice some time
[21:01] <melodie> this is the best advice I can give for LO, that's a free advice
[21:01] <smile> Okay. So you say you are willing to port windirstat to Linux? :-P and notepad++
[21:01] <melodie> concerning wine the problem is the same:
[21:01] <melodie> you need to see at winehq what they can tell you and how they can help 
[21:02] <melodie> notepad++ is best replaced with Geany
[21:02] <melodie> what are the features of windirstat ?
[21:02] <MaNI> there is already e.g. filelight
[21:02] <MaNI> which is pretty much the same thing
[21:02] <MaNI> and a few others
[21:02] <solidity> http://alternativeto.net/software/windirstat/?platform=linux
[21:03] <melodie> MaNI +1, and Baobab also does a good job, and isn't big 
[21:03] <melodie> filelight has many kde depends I fear?
[21:03] <MaNI> filelight is nicer than windirstat in my opinion, the circular display is more natural
[21:03] <melodie> good link solidity 
[21:04] <solidity> alternativeto.net is a pretty handy website
[21:04] <melodie> MaNI I tell you Baobad isn't bad 
[21:04] <melodie> but I like filelight a lot too 
[21:04] <MaNI> kdirstat  is a more direct clone - it's basically the same thing
[21:04] <MaNI> can't say I've tried boabab ;)
[21:04] <melodie> however I use "du -csh" or "du -cs" in console, and "df" or "df -h"
[21:04] <smile> Kdirstat isnt bad but windirstat on wine is better
[21:05] <melodie> smile ok, bugs for wine should be directed upstream to winehq, really the most relevant place
[21:05] <melodie> http://forum.winehq.org
[21:06] <smile> I know, but they are all reported.. :-P
[21:06] <smile> It just doesnt move
[21:08] <MaNI> boabab does look quite nice
[21:09] <smile> Not in my opinion :-P
[21:10] <smile> The file manager of wine needs a lot of work
[21:11] <smile> I would like to integrate wine more with my system, like using the native browser to open links
[21:11] <melodie> smile why not forget the non free software world and request features to the devs who do free software meant to work in open source distros ?
[21:12] <smile> I do, from time to time
[21:12] <MaNI> nothing wrong with wine improvements, though I suspect the wine developers aren't much interested in that side of things and more on getting as many apps as possible to run
[21:12] <smile> :)
[21:13] <smile> Wine is such a mess
[21:13] <smile> Performance isnt good either
[21:14] <smile> I want autowikibrowser to run on wine, but it doesnt :-(
[21:14] <MaNI> depends what you use it for I guess, I've had apps perform reasonably well in it
[21:15] <smile> Wine startup is slow
[21:17] <MaNI> a little
[21:17] <MaNI> just tried it here - seemed about 6-7 seconds
[21:17] <smile> Thats just too much
[21:17] <solidity> I just run windows. \o/
[21:17] <smile> If you want only run a single app..
[21:18] <smile> Its nice to run windows app inside linux
[21:18] <smile> :)
[21:18] <MaNI> I've seen java apps take longer 
[21:18] <smile> Java is non existant
[21:18] <MaNI> booting a VM takes longer
[21:18] <smile> :-P
[21:18] <MaNI> it doesn't seem that terrible :p
[21:18] <melodie> solidity you don't, it is Windows which runs you
[21:18] <solidity> From what you are saying it doesn't sound as nice as running windows apps inside windows :P
[21:18] <smile> Lol
[21:18] <smile> :-P
[21:19] <solidity> melodie: how does windows run me?
[21:19] <smile> I would like a wine preloader to start wine on boot
[21:20] <melodie> solidity ask Windows
[21:20] <smile> That would decrease the waiting time for a single app
[21:20] <melodie> smile ok
[21:20] <melodie> sudo apt-get install prelink
[21:20] <melodie> then:
[21:20] <melodie> sudo -vmR /usr/bin/wine
[21:21] <melodie> once done you need to find the cron job it brings with it, and remove the x bit
[21:21] <smile> What??
[21:21] <melodie> because if you don't 
[21:21] <melodie> what ??
[21:21] <melodie> install prelink and configure it as I explain you
[21:22] <smile> Whats vmR
[21:22] <melodie> options
[21:22] <smile> For
[21:22] <melodie> important options 
[21:22] <melodie> man prelink will tell you 
[21:22] <melodie> the docs on the web say do "-avmR" 
[21:22] <melodie> but I don't do "-a"
[21:22] <smile> But you say it are sudo options
[21:23] <solidity> melodie: ok...
[21:23] <melodie> I prelink only a few options
[21:23] <melodie> i mean
[21:23] <melodie> I prelink a few heavy apps only, or it defeats the purpose
[21:23] <melodie> smile I forgot a command, sorry
[21:23] <melodie> you do:
[21:23] <melodie> sudo apt-get install prelink 
[21:24] <melodie> then
[21:24] <melodie> sudo prelink -vmR /usr/bin/wine
[21:24] <melodie> make sure /usr/bin/wine is actually an executable elf, or it won't work
[21:24] <melodie> a binary
[21:24] <melodie> once done you tell me and I tell you how to configure it right after that
[21:25] <smile> Okay. Will do. I use arch with systemd, so I dont have cron
[21:26] <melodie> let me check that
[21:27] <melodie> smile why do I have cron.d in Arch ? /media/melodie/arch64/etc/cron.d
[21:27] <melodie> with 0hourly in it?
[21:27] <smile> Hmm
[21:28] <smile> I dont think I have it. Will need to check it
[21:29] <melodie> and $ ls -l cron.hourly/
[21:29] <melodie> total 4
[21:29] <melodie> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 392 nov.  24  2014 0anacron
[21:29] <melodie> also
[21:29] <melodie> smile do "ls -l /etc/cron*"
[21:29] <smile> If the prelink works, you are my hero :)
[21:29] <smile> I cant ssh from a nokia :-P
[21:30] <melodie> you have to be weary that prelink used to be automatically restarted every now and then (2 weeks) and would prelink all possible binaries: this is not good for what you need it to do
[21:30] <melodie> it has to be configured, and you need to check it's configuration file in /etc also
[21:31] <smile> Can i reboot my computer after I have installed it
[21:31] <melodie> no
[21:31] <melodie> you have to configure it
[21:32] <smile> Okay
[21:32] <melodie> see /etc/prelink.conf
[21:32] <smile> Thats all for now
[21:32] <smile> Good night
[21:32] <smile> :)
[21:32] <melodie> ok
[21:32] <melodie> gn smile 
[21:33] <smile> Thanks