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| johndave | hello | 07:33 |
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| n-iCe | hello | 14:26 |
| n-iCe | hiii | 15:21 |
| n-iCe | !hello | 15:22 |
| n-iCe | @hello | 15:22 |
| New_to_Linux | Testing, testing. Is anyone there? | 21:38 |
| New_to_Linux | Hello | 21:39 |
| wxl | New_to_Linux: the rule with irc, is just ask away :) | 21:42 |
| wxl | believe it or not, support channels usually don't get much chat | 21:42 |
| New_to_Linux | Oh okay. I want to know if the Lubuntu torrent is free and legal. I'm new to torrents and I don't want to get into trouble | 21:44 |
| wxl | New_to_Linux: yep. the foss community uses legal torrents a lot. | 21:45 |
| wxl | New_to_Linux: since the software is free and open source, it's licensed in such a way that allows any sort of distribution. | 21:45 |
| New_to_Linux | Now is it a virtual machine box like VMWare? Okay that sounds good. I also don't know which one to download | 21:46 |
| teward | New_to_Linux: Desktop amd64 if you're doing it in a VM | 21:47 |
| teward | and yes, VMware is fine to run it in, I do that for ISO tests | 21:47 |
| teward | (during the dev cycle) | 21:48 |
| teward | *looks at wxl* And wxl knows this, too >:) | 21:48 |
| New_to_Linux | I'm on a PC laptop, pretty old. It will be ten years old next year | 21:49 |
| wxl | well, amd64 is a safe assumption for new hardware | 21:49 |
| wxl | anyways, the torrents and isos in general are NOT vms | 21:50 |
| wxl | however, they are images that can be installed in a vm | 21:50 |
| wxl | personally, i'd suggest grabbing i386 desktop if i were you | 21:50 |
| wxl | and grab alternate if you're particularly low on resources and/or avoid guis :) | 21:50 |
| guest8574 | Does anyone know what would cause poor GTK performance? | 21:51 |
| wxl | guest8574: if you want a specific answer, you may consider being more specific, and in particular, quantifying things. | 21:51 |
| New_to_Linux | What's the alternative for a laptop? I want to download indie games without the risk of getting viruses. I have anti-virus software but outdated. I'm quite broke so I'm using what I have | 21:52 |
| guest8574 | I just tried booting a live CD of Lubuntu on an old laptop, and the drawing of GTK widgets is really slow. | 21:52 |
| New_to_Linux | I'm doing this for freelance writing to make money as well. That's why I want the Lubuntu. | 21:52 |
| guest8574 | I can open up some config dialog, and see a blank window for half a second before it gets filled by widgets. | 21:52 |
| guest8574 | And the widgets are slow to redraw when I drag a window over them. In Windows XP, every single drawing event is instantaneous. You don't see all these ugly artifacts. | 21:54 |
| wxl | New_to_Linux: you should have no problem downloading games in linux without getting viruses. | 21:54 |
| wxl | guest8574: this is on the same machine? | 21:54 |
| guest8574 | Yes. XP and Lubuntu on an EeePC 1000HD. | 21:55 |
| wxl | guest8574: if you don't have much memory, that may be the problem. live loads the whole OS in memory. | 21:55 |
| wxl | guest8574: try loading windows live if you want a good comparison >:) | 21:55 |
| New_to_Linux | So Lubuntu doesn't have a virtual machine like VMware. right? | 21:56 |
| Kamilion | several | 21:56 |
| wxl | New_to_Linux: lubuntu can be a guest or host for virtual amchines. | 21:56 |
| guest8574 | New_to_Linux: VMware works on Lubuntu. | 21:56 |
| Kamilion | kvm, xen, virtualbox, vmware workstation, vmware player. | 21:57 |
| guest8574 | As well as VirtualBox, Qemu, DOSBox. | 21:57 |
| Kamilion | if you wanna play with xen or kvm, they're preinstalled on my lubuntu remix for virtualization here: https://github.com/kamilion/kamikazi-deploy | 21:57 |
| wxl | +1 for kvm | 21:58 |
| Kamilion | guest8574: likely the laptop is not running with accelerated graphics. Everything must be rendered by the CPU pixel by pixel in that case. | 22:01 |
| Kamilion | I have the same problem on big servers with old ATI video chips. | 22:02 |
| Kamilion | but it's also pretty common for the older intel integrated video units like the i810 | 22:02 |
| guest8574 | Kamilion: I do have hardware acceleration. | 22:03 |
| guest8574 | glxinfo | grep rendering | 22:03 |
| guest8574 | direct rendering: Yes | 22:03 |
| Kamilion | we all do. MESA does software rendering of GL and has for ~15+ years | 22:03 |
| guest8574 | And glxgears runs at 60 FPS. | 22:03 |
| Kamilion | Huh. | 22:03 |
| Kamilion | And it's only GTK? | 22:03 |
| Kamilion | which video adapter is X detecting? | 22:04 |
| Kamilion | also, just because you can blit some polygons at a screen doesn't mean anything | 22:04 |
| wxl | i remind us this is again in live | 22:04 |
| Kamilion | glxgears gives me 1458 FPS for a $30 geforce 610 | 22:04 |
| Kamilion | even my cruddy old laptop did glxgears at ~400ish | 22:05 |
| Kamilion | so if you're only seeing 60, something is amiss. | 22:05 |
| guest8574 | My monitor's refresh rate is 60 Hz, so that's maybe why. | 22:06 |
| Kamilion | no, that just limits the frames you can actually see -- a GPU can render far faster than 60hz for simple geometry | 22:06 |
| Kamilion | it's when you start getting into texture and lighting and shaders and full screen antialiasing that the performance comes down to what the monitor can display. | 22:07 |
| guest8574 | It even says so. http://pastebin.com/PtD7aCJz | 22:08 |
| Kamilion | guest8574: http://puu.sh/ihy14/07a1a1ad3b.jpg | 22:09 |
| Kamilion | this is a VM with no GPU passthrough and it's still getting ~700FPS. | 22:10 |
| guest8574 | When I run glxgears, it says that it synchronizes to the refresh rate. I don't know how to do otherwise. | 22:11 |
| Kamilion | http://puu.sh/ihy9l/27f225b324.jpg | 22:12 |
| Kamilion | you can see here by my opengl renderer that it's software rendering. | 22:12 |
| Kamilion | i assume you're stuck with VSYNC because you're using a 2D only video adapter. | 22:13 |
| Kamilion | what's this say: glxinfo | grep "OpenGL " | 22:13 |
| Kamilion | (don't forget the space at the end of OpenGL ) | 22:14 |
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| Kamilion | huh, i can't seem to get that output no matter where i try, guest8574 | 22:22 |
| Kamilion | tried six PCs and so far no instances of "Running synchronized to the vertical refresh. The framerate should be approximately the same as the monitor refresh rate." message is appearing | 22:23 |
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