[05:14] <larsu> good morning!
[05:39] <pitti> Good morning
[05:39] <larsu> good morning pitti!
[05:39] <pitti> hey larsu, wie gehts?
[05:40] <larsu> pitti: gut danke! Superwetter hier :)  Und dir?
[05:41] <pitti> larsu: hier auch, fantastisches 4-Tage-Wochenende
[05:41] <pitti> larsu: mein erster Drachenflug! war fantastisch!
[05:42] <larsu> pitti: toll!
[06:03] <didrocks> good morning
[06:05] <larsu> bonjour didrocks!
[06:05] <didrocks> hey larsu
[06:26] <pitti> bonjour didrocks, ça va ?
[06:27] <didrocks> pitti: ça va, et toi ?
[06:28] <pitti> didrocks: ça va bien, merci ! j'ai eu un week-end magnifique !
[06:28] <pitti> didrocks: my first-ever kite flight, it finally happened :)
[06:30] <didrocks> kite flight?
[06:31] <pitti> didrocks: http://piware.de/fotos/Drachenflug-Jun15/
[06:33] <didrocks> ah nice, you weren't scared before jumping? :)
[06:34] <pitti> didrocks: no, not really -- the guy has done this for 18 years :)
[06:34] <pitti> didrocks: excited yes, but not scared at all
[06:35] <didrocks> ;)
[06:35] <seb128> good morning desktopers
[06:35] <seb128> hey didrocks pitti
[06:35] <didrocks> re seb128
[06:35] <pitti> bonjour seb128 !
[06:39] <seb128> pitti, nice view from the kite ;-)
[06:39] <pitti> seb128: absolutely! it feels just amazing
[06:39] <pitti> the landing with a tandem kite is a bit funny/rough, you basically just slam into the field on your belly and knees
[06:40] <pitti> on a single-person kite you land/run on your feet, much more elegant :)
[06:45] <seb128> hehe
[07:34] <seb128> pitti, touch people were looking for you on friday, they needed a vivid overlay langpack export I think
[07:36] <pitti> seb128: GunnarHj wrote me, he plans to do a langpack update soon
[07:36] <pitti> * Building ubuntu-docs during next week
[07:36] <pitti> * Full export and moving to -proposed around June 15-17
[07:36] <pitti> * Testing June 18 - June 24
[07:36] <pitti> * Moving to -updates around June 25
[07:36] <seb128> pitti, no, I'm speaking about touch
[07:36] <seb128> they want one for OTA4 which is supposed to be rolled out to customers this week
[07:37] <seb128> pitti, https://bugs.launchpad.net/canonical-devices-system-image/+bug/1460144
[07:39] <seb128> though seems like German still didn't get translations on e.g https://translations.launchpad.net/dialer-app/trunk/+pots/dialer-app/de/+translate?show=untranslated
[07:39] <pitti> ah, we still do daily RTM langpack uploads
[07:39] <pitti> so that's not what they want any more, then? can/should we stop the RTM ones?
[07:40] <seb128> rtm?
[07:40] <seb128> right, I think that's superseeded by the vivid-overlay ppa
[07:40] <seb128> to check with sil2100 & Mirv I guess
[07:40] <pitti> hm, somehow I remember setting up langpacks for the overlay, it's been a few weeks
[07:40] <pitti> https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu/stable-phone-overlay
[07:40] <pitti> last update from June 1
[07:40] <pitti> we only do weekly, as that's what LP gives us
[07:41] <sil2100> pitti: yeah, we don't need RTM updates anymore, the overlay ones are sufficient
[07:41] <seb128> k
[07:41] <pitti> (see https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/vivid/+language-packs)
[07:41] <pitti> sil2100: oh cool, then I'll kill that job
[07:41] <sil2100> Thanks :)
[07:41] <pitti> sil2100: do we still use RTM for anything? i. e. ddebs and the like?
[07:41] <seb128> sil2100, somebody might want to email the translators about https://bugs.launchpad.net/canonical-devices-system-image/+bug/1460144
[07:42] <seb128> sil2100, seems like e.g the german translators didn't pick those up, https://translations.launchpad.net/dialer-app/trunk/+pots/dialer-app/de/+translate?show=untranslated
[07:43] <sil2100> pitti: I'm not aware of any current use-cases, it's just for legacy stuff and bug-tracking currently
[07:45] <sil2100> seb128: do you know if only german is affected?
[07:45] <seb128> sil2100, you mean? I'm sure other teams didn't pick up the new strings yet
[07:46] <seb128> but on the bug pat listed german and spanish as needed
[07:46] <seb128> vrruiz did the spanish translations
[07:46] <seb128> I know the french team did pick those up
[07:46] <seb128> so I guess we would need a least a german translator
[07:46] <seb128> maybe pitti or mvo can help there
[07:47] <sil2100> Yeah, I think this is important as we at least try to have the spanish and german translations correct and usable, we'll try to poke someone for this too
[07:47] <seb128> in fact spanish still needs to be validated
[07:47] <seb128> https://translations.launchpad.net/dialer-app/trunk/+pots/dialer-app/es/+translate?show=untranslated
[07:50] <pitti> sil2100, seb128: doing the German ones
[07:50] <pitti> meh, folks really need to add translator comments
[07:50] <seb128> pitti, thanks
[07:50] <seb128> pitti, the "Got it!" is a button that let you dismiss the tutorial
[07:51] <seb128> if that's what you are refering to
[07:51] <seb128> like "understood"
[07:51] <pitti> with a highly context sensitive language like English it's impossible to do good translations from just one or two short words
[07:51] <seb128> it confused the french translators, had to change it
[07:51] <pitti> "Mobile"
[07:51] <seb128> ah
[07:51] <pitti> as in, "a mobile phone"? a mobile data connection? opposite of "fixed"?
[07:51] <seb128> let me check
[07:52] <pitti> the first and second are very different words
[07:53] <seb128> pitti, the tutorial has
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[07:53] <seb128> "mobile"
[07:53] <seb128> so it's to indicate the number is the one from a mobile phone
[07:53] <seb128> like in the contacts list you have land line/mobile/home/work/...
[07:56] <pitti> seb128: ah, thanks
[07:57] <pitti> ok, done
[07:57] <mitya57> attente: in https://github.com/lenky0401/fcitx-qimpanel, all addMenu() calls are in #ifdef IS_QT_4..#endif blocks
[07:58] <mitya57> attente: Probably upstream tried to work-around the Qt bug, and now they can remove the work-around and use addMenu() again
[07:58] <seb128> pitti, can you validate the one on https://translations.launchpad.net/messaging-app/trunk/+pots/messaging-app/de/+translate?show=untranslated as well?
[07:59] <willcooke> morning all
[07:59] <seb128> hey willcooke
[08:00] <pitti> seb128: heh, that's my own translation from a minute ago :) I'm not proud of that (it sounds a bit unwieldy), but I can't think of a better one
[08:00] <pitti> seb128: done
[08:00] <seb128> pitti, danke
[08:01] <seb128> pitti, yeah, translations are shared between components so it suggested it there
[08:04] <Laney> ahoy
[08:04] <willcooke> morning Laney, nice day for it
[08:04] <seb128> hey Laney, wie gehts? how was your w.e?
[08:05] <Laney> willcooke: yeah, at last
[08:05]  * Laney actually used sun cream at the weekend
[08:05] <willcooke> \o/
[08:06] <Laney> seb128: good! we had our space 4 cycling ride
[08:06]  * willcooke didnt and is now a bit red
[08:06] <Laney> that was first dreamt up in our sprint room in london
[08:06] <Laney> we got on the news
[08:06] <seb128> what is that?
[08:06] <didrocks> good morning willcooke
[08:07] <seb128> did you bike to the moon and back? ;-)
[08:07] <didrocks> hey Laney
[08:07] <seb128> E.T style?
[08:07]  * Laney uploads it
[08:09] <Laney> probably should have compressed this somehow
[08:13] <Laney> http://orangesquash.org.uk/~laney/pob.mov
[08:13] <Laney> firefox can't play that for me but totem can
[08:13] <Laney> and now ... u-s-d is crashing on my desktop :(
[08:13] <Laney> assert failure in gsd_rr_something
[08:22] <seb128> Laney, you didn't even speak!
[08:22] <seb128> cool to see things happening
[08:22] <seb128> I wonder what % of daily trips are made with bikes e.g in .nl
[08:23] <seb128> not sure where to place the 10% goal mentioned there in perspective to what is currently done in the u.k and other places
[08:24] <Laney> I think it's about 30% for all trips in nl
[08:24] <Laney> higher if you measure specific things like travelling to school or commuting
[08:25] <Laney> nottingham is like 2.4%
[08:25] <seb128> that's quite a difference...
[08:25] <Laney> the power of design
[08:29] <seb128> yeah, unsure how much there is also mindset playing there
[08:30] <seb128> it's like that if you made a town with perfect infrastructure for bike in .fr or .uk you would still guess twice less people biking that they have in .nl
[08:31] <Laney> maybe so, they have 40 years of this stuff already
[08:32] <Laney> a worry is that if we don't get instant results then this small piece of momentum we have currently will evaporate
[08:33] <larsu> Laney: just two days ago I was thinking that we need more bike lanes now
[08:33] <larsu> the ones we have are so successful that they're becoming overcrowded
[08:33]  * seb128 wishes for less bikes here
[08:33] <larsu> might be only during the sunny days though... (of which we don't have that many)
[08:33] <seb128> (sorry guys)
[08:33] <larsu> seb128: pah!
[08:34] <seb128> it's quite more stressing to be pedestrian here
[08:34] <Laney> hey larsu
[08:34] <larsu> hm? Same as with cars, no?
[08:34] <seb128> no, cars are on roads
[08:34] <larsu> or is everyone riding their bike on the sidewalk?
[08:34] <larsu> hi Laney
[08:34] <seb128> not taking side walks and going in small alleys where you don't expect them
[08:34] <Laney> I was reading this blog by a bike guy who moved from uk to berlin
[08:34] <Laney> https://departmentfortransport.wordpress.com/tag/berlin/
[08:34] <seb128> no, people are just doing crazy stuff with bike
[08:34] <larsu> seb128: ugh. Clearly bikes should be on the road or bike paths
[08:34] <seb128> and drive fast in narrow stpace
[08:35] <seb128> they act like they owned the street and are often dangerous to pedestrians
[08:35] <seb128> at least with cars you know where to expect them
[08:36] <darkxst> seb128, or cars/trucks could respect bikes? Ive been run off the road by taxi's, doored' by idiots and had trucks buzz so close they were mere millimeters from hitting me
[08:36] <larsu> Laney: that street is shitty for bikes, there are better ones parallel to it
[08:36] <darkxst> hey all btw
[08:36] <larsu> hi darkxst
[08:37] <seb128> darkxst, no doubt cars/trucks should respect bikes
[08:37] <larsu> seb128: clearly this is just a problem of policy and enforcment
[08:37] <seb128> darkxst, but bikes should also respect pedestrians
[08:37] <darkxst> seb128, they don't in Melbourne!
[08:37] <seb128> bikers have the same issues than car drivers
[08:37] <seb128> people seem to never car about those who are slower/less heavy than them
[08:38] <seb128> darkxst, I don't say they do
[08:38] <darkxst> seb128, probably a few bad eggs, most cyclists do care
[08:38] <Laney> yeah conflict is a big issue
[08:38] <larsu> seb128: I ride a bike and I do care :P
[08:38] <Laney> they often try to proposed shared cycle and foot paths here as a cheap/easy solution
[08:38] <seb128> larsu, I drive a car and I do care about bikes and pedestrians
[08:38] <seb128> ;-)
[08:38] <larsu> seb128: I never said you didn't :)
[08:39] <seb128> larsu, right, just playing along your reply :p
[08:39] <darkxst> I come across walkers and horse riders all the time, and when we do, slow down and have a chat
[08:39] <larsu> seb128: in general, drivers are pretty good. The problem is that the bad ones are *really* bad
[08:39] <seb128> yeah, same for bikers
[08:39] <larsu> seb128: like going 100 on a 50 street, like I saw yesterday. With lots of pedestrians next to a park...
[08:39] <seb128> right, those people are crazy
[08:40] <larsu> where you should be going 30 just to be careful
[08:40] <darkxst> Laney, anymore thoughts on what to do with the extra shell extensions? demote to proposed until debian update them?
[08:40] <Laney> darkxst: if you want, that's your stuff
[08:41] <darkxst> Laney, that would be my call, I don't think they belong in the archive really
[08:41] <Laney> WTF is going on with usd :(
[08:42] <didrocks> seb128: you don't want to be able to run docker on desktop next?
[08:43] <seb128> didrocks, no!
[08:43] <seb128> who cares about docker :p
[08:43] <didrocks> ok… that's still a valid use case I guess
[08:43] <didrocks> but your call
[08:43] <seb128> yeah, as are other programs
[08:43] <seb128> but Laney suggested we don't need that hack and mvo agreed
[08:44] <Laney> I guess they can keep that on core, it's clearly not going to be the long term solution
[08:44] <didrocks> well, as long as we don't have a way to add system users to snappy…
[08:44] <seb128> they are working on a solution to make group adding work with libnss-extrasusers
[08:44] <didrocks> I just think that some people will install the snappy docker framework on ubuntu personal
[08:44] <didrocks> and will surprised it doesn't work
[08:44] <seb128> yeah, could be
[08:45] <seb128> well, we can do tweaks once the image is working
[08:45] <seb128> maybe libnss-extrasusers is going to be working before the personal image :p
[08:45] <didrocks> let's see ;)
[08:46] <seb128> larsu, your scrollbar work removes the bg from progressbars widgets it seems
[08:47] <seb128> they look like a border only rather than a bar since friday, I reverted to the archive version and that fixed it
[08:47] <larsu> seb128: hm that might well be, I saw some problems with that but thought I removed them
[08:47] <larsu> seb128: do you see that problem in gtk3-image-factory as well?
[08:47] <seb128> yes
[08:47] <seb128> I first noticed in update-manager
[08:47] <larsu> ok, I'll have a look
[08:47] <seb128> confirmed with the factory
[08:47] <seb128> thanks
[08:47] <larsu> after I get this device running :/
[08:48] <seb128> what's the issue? are you blocked on something?
[08:48] <larsu> indeed, the gradient is missing
[08:49] <larsu> seb128: just trying to debug why it doesn't boot with systemd
[08:50] <larsu> seb128: orange line + big time + small date is the lock screen?
[08:50] <larsu> it seems frozen five minutes ago
[08:50] <larsu> (I booted 2 minutes ago)
[08:51] <larsu> backlight still changes when touching and I can turn the screen on and off
[08:51] <seb128> larsu, http://blog.laptopmag.com/wpress/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/Ubuntu_Phone-welcom-screen.jpg
[08:51] <seb128> that's the lock screen
[08:51] <larsu> no that's not it
[08:51] <larsu> it's only the date part
[08:52] <larsu> no flower and no indicators
[08:52] <seb128> weird
[08:52] <seb128> it's like most services didn't start then I guess
[08:52] <larsu> also no adb shell...
[08:52] <seb128> right
[08:52] <larsu> which is only enabled after unlocking
[08:52] <seb128> since you are locked, no shell
[08:52] <larsu> which is very annoying
[08:52] <larsu> can I change that somehow?
[08:53] <seb128> larsu, install a working image, install openssh-server, then change to systemd
[08:53] <seb128> then enjoy the joy of being able to ssh while locked
[08:53] <larsu> if the network's up before the failure I'm seeing...
[08:53] <larsu> ah okay, this too was a systemd isseu
[08:53] <larsu> turns out fastboot -c *does* work
[08:55] <seb128> larsu, you can also "sudo touch /userdata/.adb_onlock"
[08:55] <seb128> to allow adb while locked
[08:55] <larsu> thanks!
[08:56] <seb128> yw
[09:05] <seb128> Laney, can you retry the desktop-next iso build? ;-)
[09:08] <Laney> umm, nope, looks like I can't ssh in
[09:08] <Laney> I got a new ssh key with the laptop, let me ping IS
[09:09] <seb128> thanks
[09:10] <ochosi> Laney: woot, yours already arrived?
[09:11] <ochosi> mine was finally shipped off today, so i suppose it'll be here before the official ETA of june 23rd
[09:11] <Laney> ochosi: ya, it arrived on friday
[09:12] <ochosi> nice, so even earlier than the corrected projected date
[09:12] <Laney> hidpi and browsers is pretty :(
[09:12] <ochosi> hah, you got the QHD+ version?
[09:12] <Laney> indeed
[09:12] <ochosi> yeah, the web isn't really ready
[09:12] <ochosi> so i got the FHD version (also for battery life's sake)
[09:12] <Laney> unity and gtk's scaling both work well
[09:12] <ochosi> cool, i'll have to test that
[09:12] <Laney> firefox doesn't even have an option to set a default zoom level
[09:12] <Laney> you need an extension for that
[09:13] <ochosi> that's meh
[09:13] <ochosi> what about midori?
[09:13] <Laney> don't know
[09:13] <Laney> epiphany seemed quite good though
[09:13]  * didrocks *cough* chromium *cough*
[09:13] <Laney> (also with gestures)
[09:13] <Laney> ah chromium has better sizing but for some reason its UI is huge
[09:13] <ochosi> mhm, that would've been my next question (epiphany)
[09:13]  * Laney has a note to ping chad about that :)
[09:14] <Laney> http://orangesquash.org.uk/~laney/omg.png
[09:15] <didrocks> waow
[09:15] <didrocks> did you compare this with Chrome?
[09:15] <Laney> nein
[09:15] <ochosi> wow, that's really pretty... sad
[09:16] <Laney> I think it only very recently got hidpi stuff at all
[09:16] <Laney> at least in Chromium
[09:16] <ochosi> also, odd how the locationbar looks ok
[09:16] <didrocks> chrome 43
[09:16] <ochosi> seems to be only a font-size problem
[09:16] <ochosi> Laney: and the touchpad works fine?
[09:17] <Laney> yes although I want to turn off the right click area completely
[09:17] <Laney> and just use two finger tap for that
[09:17] <Laney> haven't done it yet though
[09:18] <Laney> fn and ctrl are swapped compared to the macbook I had before (for 5 years)
[09:18] <Laney> that's a bit annoying :)
[09:18] <didrocks> yeah, needing to get some used to for such changes
[09:19] <seb128> Laney, let me know if you get any reply from IS or if I should try to nag Colin or somebody else to retry the build
[09:20] <Laney> seb128: done already, just need to set up the host keys and stuff
[09:20] <seb128> great, thanks
[09:20] <Laney> ok, it is running
[09:21] <Laney> now seriously, I have no idea what in the hell is going on with my desktop and usd
[09:21]  * Laney tries an old kernel just because
[09:22] <seb128> trying to apply a buggy config?
[09:22] <ochosi> Laney: hmm, right-click area doesn't sound very practical. but i'll see when i get mine
[09:22] <seb128> try moving the monitors.xml away?
[09:22] <Laney> I think it's before it gets there but yeah will try
[09:23] <Laney> (it broke on lightdm too)
[09:23] <seb128> weird
[09:24] <seb128> lightdm doesn't use the user config, so not like that
[09:24] <Laney> well I think I copied a monitors.xml somewhere a while ago
[09:24] <Laney> but it definitely didn't change so it would be weird if that broke
[09:24] <seb128> yeah
[09:25] <Laney> ya, still fails
[09:25] <seb128> new gtk issue?
[09:25] <Laney> I've been running that for weeks
[09:25] <Laney> gsd_rr_config.c:661
[09:26]  * Laney needs to rebuild with noopt
[09:30] <seb128> Laney, https://launchpadlibrarian.net/208560074/buildlog_ubuntu_wily_i386_ubuntu-desktop-next_BUILDING.txt.gz
[09:30] <seb128> now it wants me to add all the groups you made me drop on friday :-/
[09:31] <Laney> I thought you copied the list from the system?
[09:31] <seb128> yes, I did
[09:31] <Laney> is this some later change?!?!?!
[09:32] <Laney> "during setup"
[09:32] <seb128> guess so
[09:32] <Laney> this seems to have seeded packages
[09:32] <seb128> not sure to understand what's going on
[09:32] <Laney> I guess those weren't in it earlier on
[09:32]  * didrocks goes for a run before it's too warm outside
[09:32] <Laney> so you have to change the bits that are outputted to /etc/... but leave the hashes the same
[09:32] <Laney> :/
[09:32] <Laney> fun process
[09:33] <seb128> didrocks, enjoy
[09:33] <didrocks> thx
[09:33] <seb128> Laney, like you would apply the diffs from the log to 00-uid-gid-fix.chroot_early ?
[09:34] <Laney> I think so
[09:35] <Laney> I think the hash is the values just after debootstrap
[09:35] <Laney> and then there is another check after all of the seeded packages have been put in
[09:35] <Laney> but that doesn't check the hash again
[09:35] <Laney> (it seems)
[09:35] <seb128> right
[09:35] <seb128> so basically it's putting back the version I had on friday ;-)
[09:35] <seb128> Laney, thanks
[09:36] <Laney> without docker and stuff
[09:43] <seb128> just docker, which was a custom hack on the side
[09:44] <seb128> let's see how that goes, trying to do a local build over lunch, it takes some time but I don't want to abuse the cdimage builders too much
[09:47] <Laney> I should do it for just one arch
[09:54] <flexiondotorg> Laney, I'm just back from vacation.
[09:54] <flexiondotorg> Laney, can we discuss this please? - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-mate/+bug/1456597
[10:10] <Laney> flexiondotorg: in a minute, fixing something atm
[10:10] <Laney> flexiondotorg: you can get your previous sponsor to upload it if you really want to
[10:13] <flexiondotorg> Laney, Thanks. I'll contact some other sponsors. I understand you're concerns and I am making upstream changes where possible.
[10:13] <Laney> okay
[10:13] <flexiondotorg> Laney, I'd like to understand the XDG_CONFIG_DIRS idea you suggested. Not encountered that env before.
[10:14] <Laney> http://standards.freedesktop.org/basedir-spec/basedir-spec-latest.html
[10:14] <flexiondotorg> Laney, Yeah, already reading that ;-)
[10:15] <flexiondotorg> I'll poke around the code of the apps in questions to see if the use XDG.
[10:15] <flexiondotorg> *they use
[10:19] <Laney> flexiondotorg: I think I'm basically suggesting that if they don't then they should do ;-)
[10:19] <Laney> tjaalton: hi, do you know if xmir made x break abi?
[10:19] <Laney> [    81.641] (EE) Failed to load /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/nouveau_drv.so: /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/nouveau_drv.so: undefined symbol: xorgMir
[10:21] <Laney> wtf, I don't see exp1ubuntu2.2 in the archive?
[10:21] <Laney> I feel like I'm disconnected from reality this morning
[10:22] <Laney> oh yes, confirming my insanity further, I was typing -intel and not -nouveau :(
[10:29] <Laney> works after a rebuild
[10:49] <Laney> larsu: do you have a patch for the gnome-screenshot white flash issue hanging around?
[10:54] <larsu> Laney: no.. didn't I give that to you at some point?
[10:54]  * larsu cannot find it
[10:54] <Laney> ah, don't know :(
[10:55] <larsu> oops
[11:00] <Laney> why does this work from jhbuild?
[11:01] <larsu> dunno. Different gnome-screenshot?
[11:02] <larsu> I forgot what the issue there was...
[11:02] <larsu> wait - gnome doesn't use gnome-screenshot at all anymore, does it?
[11:02] <Laney> no but we do
[11:03] <larsu> right, and running that against gtk in jhbuild makes it work?
[11:03] <Laney> I get different behaviour with our version
[11:04] <Laney> it prompts for a filename by default
[11:04] <Laney> bet there's a patch
[11:04] <larsu> yes
[11:04] <larsu> it is
[11:04]  * Laney applies this one
[11:05] <larsu> brb
[11:05] <Laney> ah yes this happens
[11:05] <Laney> I suppose because gnome-screenshot just exists otherwise
[11:11] <Laney> larsu: I think the fix was to stop setting the visual on the flash window
[11:15] <attente> mitya57: hey, i was referring to master at this commit: https://github.com/lenky0401/fcitx-qimpanel/commit/05fd858ef84da971a98d4f68b25f4bd897676b43. when i tried running from that point, it still doesn't see those submenus properly
[11:22] <Laney> s/exists/exits/
[11:22] <Laney> hi attente!
[11:22] <attente> hi Laney!
[11:25] <Laney> what's up
[11:28] <tjaalton> Laney: it probably did, blame ancell :)
[11:31] <Laney> tjaalton: bah!
[11:31] <Laney> should $package have changed its name?
[11:32] <tjaalton> what pkg?
[11:32] <Laney> that's what I'm asking
[11:33] <Laney> there's nothing about xmir in nouveau's depends
[11:36] <tjaalton> i'm not sure how the drivers became depending the module..
[11:39] <tjaalton> i'm away this week, vmware already got rebuilt because of something, maybe the same issue
[11:39] <tjaalton> tseliot: ^
[11:39] <tjaalton> so perhaps all the video drivers need to be rebuilt..
[11:40] <Laney> it seems like it had an exported xorgMir symbol before but doesn't now
[11:41] <tjaalton> because xmir is no longer a module but a server of it's own
[11:41] <tjaalton> see the recent announcement
[11:45] <Laney> ah hmm
[11:46] <tjaalton> so a well-tested transition ;)
[11:46] <Laney> I think
[11:47] <Laney> that when I rebuilt nouveau it probably built without the xmir patch being active any more
[11:47] <Laney> #ifdef XMIR
[11:47] <Laney> #include "xmir.h"
[11:47] <Laney> #include "xf86Priv.h"
[11:47] <Laney> #else
[11:47] <Laney> typedef struct xmir_screen xmir_screen;
[11:47] <Laney> #define xorgMir 0
[11:47] <Laney> #endif
[11:47] <Laney> and XMIR isn't defined any more after the new upload
[11:48] <Laney> (that xorgMir symbol was exported in xf86Priv.h)
[12:01] <Laney> tjaalton: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg-server/+bug/1462994 fyi
[12:15] <tjaalton> Laney: thanks!
[12:22] <larsu> pitti: my problem turns out to be lightdm dying in a loop, because it can't call ActivateSession()
[12:31] <pitti> larsu: hm, but adb also keeps failing?
[12:32] <pitti> larsu: or, I guess you actually got that working now, to find out the ActivateSession() error?
[12:57] <willcooke> A pigeon just flew in to my window at full speed.
[12:57] <willcooke> I'm pretty sure its dead
[12:57] <willcooke> #birdnews
[12:57] <ogra_> :(
[13:28] <davmor2> willcooke: man no wonder none of our messages get to you
[13:28] <willcooke> :D
[16:59] <seb128> Laney, is that gnome-screenshot hidpi patch a variant from https://code.launchpad.net/~woodrow-shen/gnome-screenshot/fix-hidpi.trusty/+merge/248486 ?
[17:02] <Laney> I saw it there, going to give some feedback soon
[17:03] <seb128> Laney, thanks
[17:03] <Laney> I think gnome-screenshot isn't very active upstream
[17:03] <seb128> Laney, no it's not :-/
[17:03] <seb128> is your patch fixing the linked bug?
[17:03] <seb128> or just addressing part of the issue?
[17:04] <Laney> should do, let me close it
[17:04] <seb128> thanks
[17:17] <Laney> see you!
[19:41] <pat__> cyphermox, hey just ran into https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/1436330 its still busted using the latest in proposed
[20:00] <willcooke> morning robert_ancell
[20:01] <robert_ancell> willcooke, hi
[20:17] <willcooke> g'night all