[12:42] <mpt> cjwatson, are you maintaining Ubiquity these days?
[12:43] <cjwatson> mpt: No, try mathieu-tl
[12:43] <cjwatson> I moved to Launchpad at the start of the year
[12:43] <flexiondotorg> cyphermox, infinity Can you explain how Ubuntu MATE can create an alternate iso image?
[12:43] <mpt> cjwatson, ok. The last four ubiquity uploads were four different people, and you were one of them, so I guessed. :-)
[12:43] <flexiondotorg> I've tried to identify where lubuntu configuration is for doing this and can find it.
[12:47] <ogra_> cjwatson, no withdrawal symptoms yet when not getting 300 installer bugs per day in your inbox ?
[12:48] <cjwatson> I filtered those a very long time ago, so not so much, no
[12:48] <ogra_> heh
[12:50] <mpt> cyphermox, hi, Andreea and I have been trying to see Ubiquity’s “Connect to the Internet” step in action, but haven’t managed it. VirtualBox helpfully provides a virtual wired connection, so Ubiquity skips the step as it should. But it also skips the step on a real-life Dell laptop with no Ethernet. Any ideas?
[14:14] <xnox> mpt: "real-life Dell laptop" should also have a "wifi card" which is detected by network manager, and e.g. has free drivers.
[14:14] <xnox> mpt: as a quick check on that laptop, does the network indicator have wifi options, on the top?
[14:15] <xnox> mpt: if it doesn't have any wifi there, ubiquity will skip as well.
[14:15] <xnox> mpt: e.g. dell laptop also has "airplane" kill switches on the keyboard, you can try Fn+F2 (or some such) to toggle it, maybe then wifi card will be actived, and then ubiquity should show the network page....
[14:18] <mpt> Hey xnox! Thanks, we’ll try that
[14:28]  * mpt marks a four-year-old Ubiquity bug report as a duplicate of an even older one
[15:01] <xnox> mpt: \o/ how many digits in the bug? =)
[15:03] <mpt> xnox, three
[15:03] <xnox> wow
[15:03] <xnox> mpt: which one?
[15:03] <mpt> xnox, but one of the digits is reported four times :-P It’s bug 888380
[15:04] <xnox> mpt: haha, that "bug" has a wiki page =)
[15:04] <xnox> mpt: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Ubiquity/KeyboardBug
[15:05] <xnox> Wrong locale/cannot change locale on OEM ID ( http://pad.lv/290421 )
[15:05] <xnox> Wrong locale/cannot change locale on the WiFi step ( http://pad.lv/871752 )
[15:05] <xnox> Full Disk Encryption passphrase locale != boot time locale ( http://pad.lv/1047384 )
[15:05] <xnox> Geolocation cannot be type in Latin (~ish) locale ( http://pad.lv/630990 ) ( http://pad.lv/1055124 )
[15:05] <xnox> Cannot change locale at user info step ( http://pad.lv/511956 )
[15:05] <xnox> There are possibly other subtle bugs like that.
[15:06] <mpt> Oh, if I’d known that page existed I could have been quicker at designing the “keyboard-requiring step” dingus
[15:09] <xnox> mpt: i know that page exists, only because i created it.
[15:09] <mpt> Does the “OEM ID” step still exist? I’ve never seen it
[15:10] <xnox> mpt: imho at all input fields we should say "if you need to change keyboard layout, use indicator on top"
[15:10] <xnox> but we have indicators to do that only on some flavours, e.g. on ubuntu, but not some others.
[15:10] <cjwatson> Yes, but only if you boot the image in "OEM install (for manufacturers)" mode
[15:10] <xnox> mpt: OEM ID is visible only when doing OEM "golden image install" which one needs to specially boot into.
[15:10] <cjwatson> (i.e. the oem-config/enable=true kernel parameter)
[15:11] <mpt> xnox, we currently have another designer proposing changes to the installer design (because CONVERGENCE!!!1), and one of her suggestions was that we don’t have indicators in the installer session at all
[15:12] <xnox> mpt: ubiquity is not meant for installation in convergence mode...... especially not in click/snap world of convergence.
[15:12] <mpt> yeah
[15:12] <xnox> mpt: if confergence implies click/snap, we should instead interating/adapting the first boot welcome experience to do something sensible on the desktop.
[15:13] <xnox> not say "setting up your phone" and stop forcing "put your sim card in"
[15:13] <xnox> and just use that, without any ubiquity.
[15:13] <mpt> Yeah but then, dual booting, and partitioning, and LUKS, and LVM, and
[15:13] <xnox> e.g. "converge mode" is mostly end-user oem-config. It would be cool to replace that portion of ubiquiyt, the the converged/phone first user boot experience.
[15:14] <mpt> right
[15:14] <xnox> which i did propose to do with ubiquity always, when doing U1 stuff in the installer, which got shot down by rick saying ubuntu desktop should boot to desktop without anything.
[15:15] <xnox> kind of contrary what we do on the phone nowadays.
[15:17] <mpt> Well, there shouldn’t be both. And since some Ubuntu users install themselves, that means everything belongs in the installer
[15:17] <mpt> (install Ubuntu themselves, I mean)
[15:30] <mpt> Ok, I think all those bug reports are now linked to the spec and vice versa
[16:01] <flexiondotorg> cyphermox, I'm back from vacation :)
[16:01] <flexiondotorg> cyphermox, Would you expect Ubiquity to be able to install onto a USB drive?
[16:01] <flexiondotorg> show all