[03:09] hi ;D [03:18] mornin' [03:19] ;] [03:19] slept or still up?:) [03:20] does it matter [03:20] no [03:20] just wondered';[ [03:21] ^_^ [03:21] was just making conversation;[ [03:22] on last ep of aquarius now! [03:23] hah [03:23] i'm continuing this amazon prime series 'Bosch' which i read a book that it's based on, of [03:23] seen it! [03:23] was decent [03:23] hat ep you on? [03:23] *what [03:24] #2 [03:26] i watched the pilot for free on this FireTV stick thing [03:26] now, slightly amusingly, i'm watching the whole lot via Kodi on the same toy :> === MooDoo is now known as Guest56354 [03:31] hm not sure what Kodi is [03:31] will google in sec;) [03:53] XBMCs new name [05:31] Kodi linux ? [05:31] good morning btw peeps [06:04] morning [06:04] my throat hurts :( [06:04] damn cigarettes [06:04] finished 13 eps of Aquarius in 3 days;D [06:08] Aquarius ? [06:11] yea [06:11] new series on cbs i think 13 eps [06:11] about charles manson [06:11] it's 'ok' [06:11] nothing to write home about [06:11] Wayward Pines way better in terms of new series [06:11] We are watching "Boss" with Kelsey Grammar [06:12] very good show. But we can manage about one episode every night [06:12] hmmm i think i saw some [06:12] did it get canned? [06:13] I loe my nexus7 take it to work to watch tv eps in breaks ..use it for when i fly..when i get trains etc;D [06:20] mapp: i think it got canned after season 2 , not sure [06:21] We hardly watch any tv at all [06:21] I think 1 hour a day ... [06:21] Mapp , you should excersise more [06:22] i do [06:22] i go to spinning 2x/week [06:22] weights 3-4x [06:22] whowh :) [06:22] sometimes go running in the am too:D [06:22] you do more then i do :p) [06:22] its nice running here always warm [06:56] hello all === Guest56354 is now known as MooDoo [06:57] that would be hello all [06:58] Hello MooDoo [06:59] hello [07:03] morning boys and girls. [07:05] whatup [07:10] morning mapp [07:11] sup pal [07:11] has anyne used iadyn? tryning to set afraid.org dns to auto update [07:14] * MooDoo wonders if it's time to go home yet? [07:17] Morning. [07:18] * brobostigon gets MooDoo a big fully pillow and his bear. [07:18] fluffy* [07:21] where are you [07:21] worked a nightshift MooDoo? [07:22] mapp: no i'm just at work and the first call was printer not working, so technically inept they don't even know how to check if the printer is indeed switched on [07:22] I really really give up [07:22] lol [07:23] ive got like loadsa mosquitor bites [07:23] so not all rosey here either;p [07:23] :( [07:23] ya its annoying [07:23] ike bitten to shreds when i open my windows [07:24] legs/arms ;/ [07:24] ned to get some window nets [07:24] gonna try and get a mortgage on a place here once my accounts opened here [07:25] cant see myself ever coming back to miserable uk:P [07:39] morning [07:40] morning popey [07:44] howdy [07:52] MooDoo: I had a message over the weekend that one of our servers couldn't transfer data from depots, support people couldn't connect to the machine, 1st thought was windows updates had caused it to update & shut down, turned out it was windows updates that'd killed logmein, still can't understand why the ITS supprt had left a server to allow unattended windows updates [07:58] DJones: annoying isn't it [07:59] oops [08:01] MooDoo: Yep, its not as if I was going to drive to work to check it out [08:01] Yeey ! Calendar app on Ubuntu phone now syncs with Gmail ! :) [08:01] heh [08:03] one step closer to using it as my main phone ! [08:06] DJones: mine was a printer not working, wasn't turned on [08:07] Just tell them that if it happens again, the solution is a pen and paper [08:11] Good morning peeps :) === davmor2_hols is now known as davmor2 [08:12] Morning all [08:13] morning davmor2 [08:13] I forgot how depressing your inbox is after a week off [08:24] spam? [08:26] bashrc: no I work at canonical 600+ emails a day [08:30] Welcome back Mr davmor2 [08:31] presumably after reading all the emails you just go home #jobdone [08:31] 600+ a day is not manageable. Just processing that number would take nearly 8 hours, leading to zero productivity. [08:31] People use email too much.... [08:32] Well, they use email for things that email should not be used for (e.g. document distribution) [08:32] if it's internal communication don't folks at Canonical use IRC? [08:39] no most of it is less important launchpad stuff that you can skip, some of it however is important to youso you have to kind of semi filter it all first. [08:42] bashrc_: we use irc too [08:42] a lot [08:42] but you get emails whenever there's a comment on a merge proposal [08:42] or whenever a bot touches them [08:42] or when apps are uploaded to the store etc [08:43] yes I imagine that could be a lot of email [08:47] "Email alert: You just got an email".... [08:48] Email alert notification: you just got an email alert [08:49] If I was getting 600+ a day then I'd be creating a bunch of email rules [08:49] awilkins: I do you still need to filter through them with your eyes to see if you need to reply to anything [08:51] although to be honest I then to just search for my name in the bug mail folder and read through those first that gets rid of a 1/2 of those :) [08:51] is there a way to make a window that is being rendered outside the visible area of my screen come back to being visible? [08:51] Reading a book on management at Red Hat [08:51] Wondering how much like Red Hat, Canonical is [08:51] I am able to make the window fullscreen, and then see it, but otherwise, it's invisible [08:52] nucc1, Hmm. On Windows, there's this thing where you can trigger a "move" on the window via the taskbar item [08:52] awilkins: linux used to have this too, but the age of the "modern" window manager has eliminated those options [08:52] You can't drag the window because it's offscreen but the arrow keys will "grab" it and then you can move it back onscreen with the mouse [08:53] nucc1, How about one of "move to preset" key combos? [08:53] ctrl-alt-5 [08:53] (numpad 5) [08:54] no good [08:54] MooDoo: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yyxkODGdp1E [08:54] my keyboard is one of those where the numpad is accessible via Fn key. [08:55] the only options in the dock are quit, and lock to launcher [08:55] ah [08:55] i think i found it [08:56] so basically, i used unity-tweak to reduce my desktop to 1 workspace only [08:56] and somehow the window found it's way to workspace 2. [08:56] as soon as I added 2 workspaces, i could see the window on the second workspace [08:56] davmor2: lol :D [08:57] nucc1: alt-tab to it, then alt-space, M, to activate "move" [08:59] popey: thanks. i found the window sitting on workspace 2 after i enabled the switcher. [08:59] ahhh [08:59] seems one can't run with only one workspace anymore [08:59] cool [08:59] i do [08:59] i was until now :) [08:59] heh [09:00] bed time for me [09:00] ;D [09:01] * awilkins wonders if he should experiment with a 3x3 workspace [09:02] cant wait to move out [09:02] cant smoke in my room here=[ [09:03] Get an e-cig? [09:03] awilkins: a 3 px by 3 px workspace would be way to small :P [09:04] I find multi-monitor easier to handle mentally than multi-workspace [09:04] i wind up with dozens of window and throwing workspaces into the mix just makes my head explode [09:05] As Terry Pratchett used to say : the only reason I have 3 monitors, is because my tech guy can't fit 6 on here [09:05] (I only have 2, my GPU won't support 3) [09:06] One ultrawide 29 inch monitor [09:06] I could not handle multi monitor setups .. too distracting [09:08] I have one of those ludicrous gamer workstations made of steel tubing [09:08] With a 3-monitor mount [09:09] i have 4 monitors at work:_ [09:12] anyone else tried the open suorce android twitter client called twidere? really nice [09:13] no ads or sponsored crap [09:13] great features [09:13] Oooh I was going to ask what people used for twitter on android later [09:13] * diplo installs [09:14] well that'll get shutdown then [09:14] if it doesn't show adverts === zmoylan-1i is now known as zmoylan-pi [09:14] got a job interview in 2 weeks [09:15] havent had a job interview for 9 years;p [09:15] nowadays you need to wear your hippest t-shirt for interviews [09:15] il wear a suit;p [09:15] i think it depends on the role [09:15] Trading [09:15] yes, generally suit is a the safest bet. [09:15] heh, I haven't had an interview for years either [09:16] i wasn't interviewed for this job, they just gave me the job [09:16] \o/ [09:16] trading department at ladbrokes [09:16] It's the modern way. [09:16] my previous job, the interview was via irc, so i did it in my pants [09:16] worked at 365 in trading for 9 years [09:17] id say 25% i take it really [09:17] il be wanting £50k+ [09:17] mapp, will that be sales? [09:17] nah [09:17] sports trading [09:17] still sounds like greek to me [09:18] setting odds live during the game [09:18] oh, maths [09:18] next goal etc [09:18] heh! [09:18] foobarry, By no ads (twidere) does that mean no promoted tweets or just no spammy adbar? [09:18] i work for 365 atm and work nights [09:18] awilkins: no nothing [09:18] sweepstake on when twidere gets shutdown then... [09:18] i'd accept sponsored tweets [09:18] and i make a good enouh wage [09:19] plume doesn't show sponsored tweets [09:19] twidere also has multiple accotn support in same way as plume [09:19] but everything abnout it is nicer [09:23] Seems nice foobarry, just installed and setup [09:29] Good morning all; happy Monday, and happy Upsy Daisy Day! 😃 [09:29] faceplant day never took off :-( [09:32] zmoylan-pi, we could totally start that though! [09:35] * zmoylan-pi ties a few trip wires and sets up the cameras... [10:42] how to print percentage of disk usage..? [10:42] df -h [10:43] df -h /mountpoint [10:43] i want only percent like 80% [10:43] of that mount point. [10:45] df -h /home | tail -1 | awk '{print $5}' [10:45] alan@deep-thought:/tmp/WeekViewHighlight⟫ df -h /home | tail -1 | awk '{print $5}' [10:45] 79% [10:46] Having a problem with apt. How do I install a new package while apt-get is complaining about updating packages? http://paste.ubuntu.com/11646464/ [10:47] popey:got it. [10:47] bujji: do what it says? [10:47] oops not bujji [10:47] bigcalm: apt-get -f install [10:47] Oh, okay... [10:48] bigcalm: I find that aptitude is a great program for detangling mess like that. When you run it, it will offer various potential fixes or you can just find the errant packages and slap them around yourself. [10:48] -f for forcefully ? [10:49] bujji: yes, but popey was actually tell me that. You don't need to use -f for anything right now :) [10:49] okey [10:49] bujji, bigcalm: "-f" means "fix broken" [10:50] Oh [10:50] That's a little nicer then [10:50] oh got it [10:50] Probably going to go with the first option "aptitude" would provide [10:51] how default permissions applied for sym link files..?? [10:55] o/ [11:00] hey any one ?? [11:04] bujji: This help? http://superuser.com/questions/303040/how-do-file-permissions-apply-to-symlinks [11:04] * TwistedLucidity is no expert and that was the first hit [11:09] TwistedLucidity:when you create a file default permissions will be applied right based on umask..in the same way when you apply symlink how default permissions will be applied for that. [11:13] popey:do you have any idea? [11:13] nope [11:20] when we create a file default permissions will be applied right based on umask..in the same way when we apply symlink how default 777 permissions will be applied for that. === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte [11:31] bujji: symbolic links are always 0777, that can't be changed [11:32] intrbiz:i tried to change permissions but it wasn't changed. [11:33] bujji: you cannot change permissions of the symlink itself, if you chmod a symlink it'll change permissions on the target file [11:34] intrbiz:yes its effected to target file. [11:34] intrbiz:i want to know how default permissions are always 0777 for sym link [11:34] bujji: symlinks have no permissions, they are 0777, that is hard coded [11:35] intrbiz:how can i find that one..?? [11:35] bujji: find what? [11:35] bujji: you can't change it, it is built in [11:35] intrbiz:you said hard coded right [11:36] bujji: read the man page symlink (7) [11:36] davmore2:i can view right?? [11:36] bujji: can view what? [11:37] bujji: http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/utopic/man7/symlink.7.html [11:37] intrbiz:the hard code one.. [11:38] bujji: it'll be in the kernel somewhere, probably FS specific [11:38] bujji: this is seeming an x-y problem, why are you asking about symlink permissions? [11:39] intrbiz:i want to know that..:)) [11:40] bujji: well, a symlink isn't a real file, its merely a pointer to a file, as such it doesn't have all the same properties of a file, specifically it lacks permissions [11:42] intrbiz:but if we alter in sym link file,the original file can also be altered right. [11:43] bujji: no [11:43] bujji: you want a hardlink not a softlink [11:43] bujji: if you alter the permission of the symlink it will alter the permissions of the target file [11:43] davmor2:both i have tried... [11:44] bujji: what are you trying to acheive? [11:45] intrbiz:umask dont do any thing here for sym link... [11:46] bujji: start at the beginning what are you trying to do and why? [11:47] bujji: as I've said repeatedly symlinks do not have permissions, so of course umaks has nothing to do with symlinks [11:47] bujji: as davmor2 says, start from the begining, what are you trying to do? [11:49] davmor2:if we alter in sym link file,the original file can also be altered..you said no...but its altering. [11:50] bujji: that is not starting at the beginning. What is the symlink why are you trying to change it's permissions [11:50] hen we create a file default permissions will be applied right based on umask..in the same way i want to know when we apply symlink how default 777 permissions will be applied for that. [11:51] when* [11:51] bujji: as an example: http://paste.ubuntu.com/11647413/ [11:52] bujji: as I keep saying, you cannot apply default permissions to a symlink, because a symlink does not have any permissions [11:52] bujji: why are you symlinking to this file? [11:53] intrbiz:you said default permissions already hard coded...ie.777 [11:54] bujji: no, I said that the permissions are hard coded, not the default permissions [11:55] http://superuser.com/questions/303040/how-do-file-permissions-apply-to-symlinks in this one i found mac sym links can be changed. [11:55] bujji: mac != Linux [11:55] bujji: mac is not linux, different kernel completely [11:56] bujji: quoting the manpage linked to you: " [11:56] On Linux, the permissions of a symbolic link are not used in any [11:56] operations; the permissions are always 0777 (read, write, and execute [11:56] for all user categories), and can't be changed. [11:56] " [11:56] intrbiz:i know ))) [11:56] intbiz:why this is hard coded as 777.. [11:56] bujji: well no matter how many time you ask the question the answer will be the same [11:57] oh man [11:58] bujji: there is a nice thread here http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-general-1/why-chmod-cannot-change-symbolic-link-permission-102012/ [11:58] (osx is weirder than that. it lets you change link permissions but still doesn't obey them) [11:58] bujji: there is also the man page here http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/utopic/man7/symlink.7.html both explain what is going on [11:59] bujji: but *why* do you want to set the permissions of a symlink? [12:02] intrbiz:i tried to change permissions for that file..its not changing its effecting the targetted file..but if i alter the file content targeted file also altering ..so i started knowing why its not changing and then wanted to know how 777 permissions applied for that. [12:02] intrbiz:i tried to change permissions for that file..its not changing its effecting the targetted file..but if i alter the file content targeted file also altering ..so i started knowing why its not changing and then wanted to know how 777 permissions applied for that. [12:09] intrbiz:o/ [12:14] 15 weeks to the RAT \o/ [12:14] * zmoylan-pi speculates that bigcalm may need an intervention if they're counting the weeks... :-) [12:16] O_O [12:16] I can do it in days... [12:16] RAT RAT RAT [12:16] choo choo [12:28] * popey looks at his RAT ticket [12:28] .oO( still there ) [12:28] Phew [12:29] Erm. Why has the NIC for a server in the office now showing em1 rather than eth1? [12:29] What is em? [12:29] new stuff innit [12:29] did you upgrade it? [12:30] I did [12:30] Just now [12:30] neato [12:30] to what? [12:30] Um, update && dist-upgrade [12:30] It's on 14.04 [12:30] oh [12:30] new stuff?? down with this sort of thing!! [12:30] interesting [12:30] pitchforks at dawn [12:31] 14.04.2 [12:31] what kernel? [12:31] 3.16.0-38-generic [12:33] http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2150517 possibly related, talks about 13.04 though [12:33] bye all :)) [12:33] toodle pip [12:33] pip pip [12:42] bigcalm: em1 is probably the new 'persistent' nic names in systemd-udev [12:43] bigcalm: Just saw this asked in #u "what is this nonsense with the emX interfaces? " [12:43] Okay [12:45] the old eth0 naming seems to be going away and the new conventions do make some sense, however odd they look at first [12:46] i have names such as: enp3s0, enp6s0, ens3f0, ens3f1, enp38s0f0, enp38s0f1, enp39s0f0, enp39s0f1 in my server [12:46] tally-ho [12:46] Toppodamornintoya davmor2 [12:47] knightwise: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15qc3_joy5A [12:48] davmor2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RXiJcFVds0E [13:09] bigcalm: just a thought but it'd be wiser to keep an office server on 3.13 since the 3.16 is part of the utopic HWE which will go EOL soon enough [13:12] daftykins: It's 14.04 LTS, I just did update && dist-upgrade [13:13] Surely Ubuntu peeps will keep things working? [13:13] yeah but if you're on a 3.16 kernel, that kernel isn't LTS [13:13] I didn't specify the kernel [13:13] at least that's the understanding i get with 14.04.2 [13:13] no you just get what you get depending on your install media [13:14] my 14.04 box here is on 3.13.0-53-generic [13:14] afternoon [13:14] Downloaded the 64bit 14.04 server iso onto a usb stick and used that [13:14] yeah but only 14.04.2 ISOs seem to exist now, which come with the utopic HWE as default [13:14] thus will expire and require reworking soon enough [13:15] So won't a future update && dist-upgrade sort this out for me? [13:15] nope [13:15] or at least not unless they fixed it [13:15] Does't seem right that I'm in this situation then [13:16] i kept a 14.04.1 ISO around for this reason, so i could install with a 3.13 kernel and just dist-upgrade to become 14.04.2 but not bring in the HWE [13:17] I think that if you use netinstall, you will get 3.13 too [13:17] Do I blame popey or davmor2? [13:17] you can get the old ISOs from here http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/releases/trusty/ [13:17] daftykins, ^^^ [13:17] I'm not about to reinstall the server [13:18] i dont see a problem [13:18] keep updating, you'll get the newer kernel when that comes [13:18] you had to manually intervene when 12.04 HWE's went EOL. [13:19] we got flooded with people in #ubuntu who had the expiry messages and didn't know how to update, because dist-upgrade wasn't doing it iirc [13:19] bigcalm: are you on a strict 14.04 or 14.04 HWE [13:19] sounded like a clean 14.04.2 [13:21] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/LTSEnablementStack#Kernel.2BAC8-Support.Ubuntu_Kernel_Release_Schedule [13:22] so end of July when 14.10 goes EOL, that kernel will too [13:22] if it's being claimed that keeing up to date when that happens is fine, then maybe it'll be less of a big deal... but i personally don't think servers should be even vaguely near that level of hassle [13:22] july 2016 [13:23] ... and there will be an update in august 2015... [13:23] oops i hadn't scrolled down [13:25] I'll do-release-upgrade when 16.04.1 is released [13:26] wow what a mess [13:27] I think you're confusing the lifetime of 14.10 and the lifetime of the HWE kernel _from_ 14.10 in 14.04 [13:27] I've surprised myself by running 15.04 on my home workstation as I have a habit of only running LTS releases on work related hardware [13:27] bigcalm: hitting many issues? [13:28] davmor2: not noticed any yet [13:28] \o/ [13:28] popey: sort of, i was under the impression the kernel HWE in LTS went EOL when that release went EOL [13:28] ah, no. [13:29] i still personally avoid these in general [13:29] because if you're on a server that doesn't need any modern hardware support a newer kernel would provide, it seems easier to just stay on 3.13 for the releases' whole life [13:29] davmor2: tell a lie. I hit a problem with trying to use nvidia drivers. The fix was to disable the intel driver [13:30] Going to do that at work and see if I can get rid of xorg-edgers [13:30] bigcalm: you on optimus? [13:30] bigcalm: if so then just install nvidia-prime too [13:30] daftykins: I thought that was the plan? if the LTS kernel works for you, you stay on the LTS track. if you need the HWE kernel, you opt-in to a slightly faster track [13:30] I'd take newer kernels for btrfs alone [13:31] davmor2: doubt it. I'd only use that for a laptop which has one display. The two work stations will always use the nvidia driver and not need to switch to intel [13:32] shauno: well lets say you wanted to install 14.04 today, you go to grab a conventional ISO - but the mirrors only have 14.04.2 which throws on 3.16 as default =| [13:32] which makes sense if you have a new server [13:33] THE SAGA OF MARKETING BULLSHITTERY CONTINUES [13:33] Oops [13:33] D: [13:33] Sorry [13:33] Apologies for network-inappropriate swear level [13:33] Wong channel [13:33] bigcalm: the intel one it the one built in then I guess if this is desktop? in which case did you change to bios/uefi to not use the built-in gfx then the intel driver would not be used [13:33] awilkins: well now you have my attention i want to know what it's about :D [13:34] s/one it/one is [13:34] Just that phenomenon where marketing types "specify" what they want with the most nebulous language imaginable until you just cave in and go "Oh, ok" [13:34] davmor2: it might be an option, but disabling the drive also works [13:35] And when they reject what you've produced, they use the exact same nebulous language but in a slightly different order to state what they "really wanted" [13:35] davmor2: I dual boot my home workstation with windows. And that doesn't have the issue with the intel gfx. So no real need to disable it in ufei [13:35] ooh-err! [13:35] uefi [13:35] And now they're telling us to check with them about how stuff works (when we know full well how it works in about a bazillion times more detail) [13:36] * awilkins finds all this very stressful [13:37] awilkins: welcome to the real world ;) [13:37] Oh, have been there, done it [13:37] daftykins: hm, I didn't realise that. so assuming I have to d/l fresh, I can't not opt-in to HWE until 2016 now? [13:38] At least when you work for a .gov.uk you don't have to cope with marketing [13:40] shauno: ne2k pointed out net installs work apparently, plus i didn't know about the older ISOs living on the old-releases page. but yeah, you'd have to install 3.13 then purge 3.16 to get rid (not sure if it requires more work than that on a server) [13:41] shauno: i think i seem a bit of a nut to some, but i'd rather just stick to 100% LTS if i'm gonna run it :) [13:41] awilkins: no then you have the public and managers and local government and national government and designers to worry about ;) [13:45]