[14:05] <ChrisTownsend> Anybody have any ideas why my laptop is always displaying the OOBE no matter what user I use on the system?
[14:05] <ChrisTownsend> When I say "OOBE", it's the wizard that wants to set up the phone.
[14:09] <seb128> ChrisTownsend, in unity8 sessions?
[14:10] <bregma> yes
[14:10] <ChrisTownsend> seb128: yep
[14:10] <seb128> why wouldn't it?
[14:10] <bregma> well, it's not a phone, for a start
[14:10] <seb128> you probably have that component installed and it has an upstart job that makes it show
[14:10] <bregma> I shout at it, but no one ever answers
[14:11] <bregma> any idea which upstart job has the bug?
[14:12] <ChrisTownsend> Hmm, which component?  It happens both with unity8-desktop-session-mir and with unity8-lxc which is basically the Ubuntu Desktop Next ISO in an LXC.
[14:20] <seb128> ChrisTownsend, bregma, no in fact it seems they changed it to be some unity8 component
[14:20] <seb128> mterry might know better the condition for it to show
[14:20]  * mterry reads back
[14:22] <mterry> ChrisTownsend, that wizard is in unity8 itself.  It shows if the file ~/.config/ubuntu-system-settings/wizard-has-run doesn't exist
[14:24] <ChrisTownsend> mterry: Ok, I'll check that.  But hat's kind of a poor wizard for desktop session users the first time they log in:)
[14:25] <mterry> ChrisTownsend, agreed.  That is just one example of many where we need to adjust wording (no hardcoded 'phone') and behavior.  We don't have stellar "mode" detection right now
[14:25] <ChrisTownsend> mterry: Yeah, I don't have that file.  Actually, I don't even have the .config/ubuntu-system-settings directory.
[14:26] <bregma> I'm not sure there is even a proper plan in place for solving that problem, and certainly the lack of suitable and effective QA continues to hurt the convergence effort
[14:27] <ChrisTownsend> mterry: It now shows the regular greeter when I created that dir and file.
[14:28] <bregma> kgunn, is do we have any kind of design or plan in place for the initial experience of Ubuntu Personal on different devices?
[14:29] <seb128> bregma, ChrisTownsend, kgunn, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity8/+bug/1435877
[14:31] <mterry> ChrisTownsend, so sounds like a problem that it couldn't make that dir.  But good otherwise, right?
[14:31] <seb128> ChrisTownsend, mterry, couldn't it make that dir, or are you starting with a fresh profile every time?
[14:32] <mterry> (we have code to make that dir... but clearly isn't working here)
[14:32] <ChrisTownsend> mterry: I didn't go all the way through the wizard.  As a desktop user, I don't need to set a PIN or a passphrase.
[14:32] <ChrisTownsend> mterry: So I bailed out wondering why I need to do that.
[14:33] <mterry> ChrisTownsend, right I just meant that you expected to see the greeter now that you have the dir
[14:33] <bregma> as I recall, you can go through the whole wizard and it doesn't actually affect anything
[14:33] <mterry> So the bug here is just around the dir/file creation
[14:34] <ChrisTownsend> mterry: Yes, I created the dir and the wizard-has-run file and now the greeter shows as expected with no wizard.  When is the dir and file supposed to be created?
[14:34] <mterry> ChrisTownsend, as the wizard ends
[14:35] <mterry> ChrisTownsend, ah... but you were bailing
[14:35] <ChrisTownsend> mterry: Ok, I never ended the wizard.
[14:35] <ChrisTownsend> mterry: Right
[14:35] <mterry> yay, so unexpected behavior and likely  a bug that we show certain options on the desktop
[14:35] <mterry> but mostly working
[14:35] <mterry> a matter of UX
[14:36] <ChrisTownsend> mterry: It was confusing to me as to why that wizard was coming up.  And I supposedly know what I'm doing:)
[14:36] <mterry> ChrisTownsend, fair
[14:36] <ChrisTownsend> mterry: Thanks!
[14:39] <kgunn> bregma: i do know that design has it on their backlog to address the OOBE for desktop/converged devices
[14:41] <ChrisTownsend> kgunn: I can tell you it's one f'd up experience when trying out Unity 8 right now.  It confused the hell outta me.
[14:41] <ChrisTownsend> kgunn: I was like, "What is this?  I'm not on a phone!" And just powered off the machine.
[14:42] <seb128> ChrisTownsend, you are weird :-)
[14:42] <seb128> it's confusing but it has nothing scary, does it? why powering off the machine
[14:42] <ChrisTownsend> seb128: lol, you're not the first to tell me that:)
[14:42] <seb128> you could have acked your language
[14:42] <seb128> and the few other things it asks about
[14:43] <seb128> ChrisTownsend, lol, sorry :-)
[14:43] <seb128> I agree it's confusing, but it's not the end of the world
[14:43] <ChrisTownsend> seb128: The thing I kind of got nervous about is it asking for no password, PIN, or Passphrase.  I wasn't sure how that would react to the one already set for my user.
[14:44] <bregma> I tried it earlier, it does nothing
[14:44] <bregma> which may in itself be a bug, I dunno
[14:44] <seb128> ChrisTownsend, oh, I see
[14:44] <seb128> I made the liveCD session write the timestamp file to not have the oobe on there
[14:45] <seb128> we should probably skip it on desktop as well, unsure how to detect "desktop" though
[14:45] <bregma> it only lets me enter a limited-length numeric-digit-only password, maybe 32 bits of entropy
[14:45] <ChrisTownsend> seb128: We could have the unity8-desktop-session-mir package write that file out as well.
[14:45] <seb128> yeah
[14:45] <seb128> that's probably a good way to workaround it
[14:45] <seb128> want to mp a change for that?
[14:46] <ChrisTownsend> seb128: It's user specific though, so how do we handle all current users of the machine and any new one's?
[14:48] <seb128> ChrisTownsend, /usr/bin/lightdm-unity8-session is run by the user no?
[14:49] <seb128> just add a mkdir && touch in there?
[14:49] <ChrisTownsend> seb128: Ah, good idea, thanks!
[14:49] <seb128> yw!
[14:50] <ChrisTownsend> seb128: And yeah, I'll do the MP.
[14:50] <seb128> ChrisTownsend, thanks!
[14:50] <ChrisTownsend> seb128: You're welcome!
[14:51] <seb128> ChrisTownsend, maybe write some #TODO comment with a reference to 1435877 (or to an equivalent bug for the oobe wizard)
[14:51] <ChrisTownsend> seb128: sure
[14:52] <seb128> thanks
[17:16] <mhall119> willcooke: is there any work-around to the N4->HDMI sizing issue?
[17:31] <willcooke> mhall119, dont know.  I think that's a U8 thing, maybe Mir
[17:32] <willcooke> but I think not, just have to live with it for now
[17:32] <mhall119> ok, I was hoping to show it off at SELF this weekend, but not if it won't look god
[17:32] <mhall119> good even