/srv/irclogs.ubuntu.com/2015/06/08/#ubuntu-za.txt

=== rusbus is now known as Russ_|Away
barrydkMore almal05:48
solidityMôre.05:50
Kilosai! now they even check if they can remember how to cut my power06:20
Kilosmorning nlsthzn  barrydk  captine  and all you others06:22
soliditymorning06:24
inetprogood mornings06:33
Kiloslo inetpro  06:33
ThatGraemeGuymornings06:37
Kiloshi ThatGraemeGuy  06:39
superflyaloha07:02
Kiloshello  superfly  07:02
ThatGraemeGuyhi fly07:02
Kilosemail some pizza07:02
mazalMorning everyone07:23
Kiloshi mazal  07:23
ThatGraemeGuy'lo07:24
mazalI need vodka , or witblitz , or green herbs , or anything07:33
mazalOne of those Mondays 07:33
Kiloshaha07:34
Kiloshi elacheche  Cryterion  08:07
elachecheo/08:07
elachecheHow are you doing today Kilos :)08:07
Kilosgood ty and you?08:07
elachecheGood thanks :)08:07
CryterionMorning08:14
chris_zaI forgot the group name lol...found it again 08:17
Kiloswhat name?08:18
chris_zaI was joining #ubuntu_za the whole time08:18
chris_za:D08:18
Kilosadd it in your irc client08:18
chris_zayep just did lol...wondered why I was piet snot all on my own08:19
Kiloshaha08:19
Kilosbeen there done that08:19
chris_zaI was thinking Jislyk these mense sleep late on a monday :)08:19
Kiloshahaha08:20
Kiloswe are nearly always here08:20
Kiloseven got some owls08:20
chris_zagood to know if I ever get stuck08:20
chris_zaI can normally fix most things thou08:21
Kilosgood then you can help noobs too08:21
Kiloskeep record of fixes08:21
Kiloswas it you that couldnt get printers working08:21
chris_zayea, but in my defense....they are Canon MF units08:22
chris_zasupport for them is horrible08:22
Kilosthere must be a fix somewhere08:22
chris_zaI've trolled....its an MF5700 series08:22
Kiloshp stuff is very ubuntu friendly08:22
chris_zayea probably gonna buy the HP MF Lazer08:23
chris_zapain in the ass printing to file then running Win7 in a VB just to print08:23
Kiloshttp://www.computing.net/answers/unix/can-the-canon-mf5700-work-under-linux-driver/9073.html08:24
Kilossomewhere someone must have had the same prob08:25
Kilosyou can always ask on #ubuntu08:25
Kilosthe whole world watches there08:25
chris_zafrom what I have found trolling there's no fix as of yet08:26
Kilosi cant keep up on that channel08:26
chris_zaand canon wont come to the party08:26
Kilosai!08:26
Kilosare they scanners as well?08:26
chris_zaits cool thou, had the unit for about 5 years so its time for a change anyway08:26
chris_zayep 4-108:27
Kilostry run simplescan and see if it sees it08:27
chris_zacant get my 3200F scanner working either :)08:27
Kilosi think its called simplescan08:27
chris_zayep tried lol08:27
Kilosai!08:27
chris_zaeven tried sudo find-sanner command, it fails08:28
chris_zablocks with permissions but even as root it doesn't ID the scanner08:28
chris_zaworse case, I'll set up a basic Win7 machine just for the stuff I cant get working on Ubuntu08:29
chris_zathe VB is ok but hellishly slow08:30
Kilosai! second short power cut this morning08:31
chris_zawas gonna say, hellkom or inefectiveeskom08:32
CryterionThey in stage 1 atm, stage 2 is scheduled for this afternoon08:32
chris_zahmm they said on the radio stage 1 and reverting back to no load shedding08:32
Kiloseish08:33
chris_zahonestly cant keep up with the flipping and flopping anymore08:33
CryterionECR said stage 2 this afternoon08:33
Kilosim learning to hate eskom08:33
Cryterionprince of darkness08:33
chris_zahmm ok maybe gridwatch is just not updating as quick :)08:34
Kilosso weird though, we go over a week with no shedding then they get koeberg running and add 9megawatt power to the grid then next day shedding starts again08:35
Kilosall about the next large increase they want08:35
chris_zaprobably panic'ed "eish everything is waaaking, lets switch something off"08:36
Kiloslol08:36
* Cryterion lol08:36
chris_zaas a paristatal (sp?) they shouldn't be chasing profits, and run it as a business, no pay no power08:37
chris_zathink in 1990 koeberg was operating at 45% over capacity08:37
chris_zaman I need new/better clients lol08:39
Kilosdo you know how to use modprobe?08:40
Kilosim just guessing now but that might help find the printer08:41
Kilosman modprobe08:42
chris_zaI can give it a try, but doesn't it assume a drive it avail ?08:42
Kilosi had to use it once to find something that the pc didnt see08:42
chris_zaI'll give a try later, but based on all I read, think its something to do with the firmware on the printer itself08:44
Kilosthat sucks08:45
chris_zathere's very little support for it on Win7 64b too, have to force it to use the 32b driver08:45
chris_zaanything takes longer than 2 hours to set up and configure, for me anyway, aint worth the time :)08:46
Kiloslol08:47
MaNLwouldn't be surprised if they finally managed to blow up the pump storage scheme turbines or something, those things were meant to operate only an hour or two a day for peak usage and they've been using them in overdrive08:49
MaNLOTOH I wouldn't be surprised if the shortages are all manufactured like an african ENRON08:49
Kilosyeah08:49
MaNLdon't really know what to think anymore08:50
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MaNIdoes anybody know a number for capemail hub that they actually pick up on?08:50
chris_zafor updates u mean ?08:51
chris_zaoh u mean a telephone number 08:51
MaNIyeah telephone..08:52
chris_zaisn't it localised ?08:53
chris_zato area's I mean08:53
chris_zaWestern Cape: 021 590 540008:54
MaNIyes but each area has a big hub where customs is and all parcels get stuck (like miniature black holes), for JHB people its WITS or OR TAMBO - here it is capemail :P08:54
MaNIahh I got a fax machine last time I tried that one, but now it works08:56
chris_za"your call is important to us, umkillikilli telkom unbose" lol08:57
MaNII can hear them talking in the background about shopping in the school holidays :/08:57
chris_zamind u telkoms service has been suprizingly  better the last year or so08:57
MaNIgreat parcel located, its inside the black hole as anticipated09:02
MaNIone day capemail will figure out how to actually send people notification slips, it will be a glorious day09:02
Kiloslol09:03
MaNIseriously - it takes like 5 days for package to come from hong kong to za, and then it sits at capemail for like 2-3 months :p09:04
solidityTell them the package was only meant to last a few days and that the deadly virus that it contains will leak out into their workspace if you don't pick it up soon.09:08
Kiloslol09:08
Kilosim still crying about my mark signed ubuntu certificate that they put in one of their black holes09:09
Kilosthe swines09:09
MaNIheh09:11
MaNIand the package status says 'in transit' not 'sitting on shelf collecting dust', such liars :p09:12
Kiloslol09:13
MaNIbut yeah customs seems to be the main problem always09:13
chris_zasorry was explaining to a client why ad-words suck lol09:21
solidityWhy does it suck?09:21
chris_zawell let me correct myself, ad-words suck if your actual website itself sucks09:23
solidityHeh.09:24
solidityPretty much.09:24
chris_zatrying for force ranking just using ad-words is ineffectual I was meaning09:24
chris_za:)09:25
solidityWouldn't adwords have no effect on rankings?09:25
solidityaside from displaying it in the advert space.09:26
soliditybut the non-ad rankings should be independent of adwords afaik09:26
chris_zayou get higher priorty ranking using ad-words09:26
solidityoh, that's lame09:26
chris_zabut using adwords up against a properly formulated site with proper tags and alt's etc09:27
solidityBut I don't know the system very well.09:27
chris_zathe "natural" ranker will always outstrip the forced adwords09:27
solidityhttp://www.submitawebsite.com/blog/2010/03/does-buying-google-adwords-improve.html09:28
solidityThat article is pretty old though.09:28
soliditybut tl;dr google doesn't affect natural rank because of adwords09:28
chris_zayep, adwords will just give priorty listing while you still have funds in the account, some say the increase in traffic might improve the ranking09:29
chris_zabut natural ranking is still the better option :)09:29
solidityBut that makes sense, I think that the quality of results returned would go down if adwords impacted natural ranking because then money > good website.09:30
soliditySo google wouldn't want to do that, because that is basically their business, quality results.09:30
chris_zaexplaining it to clients is fun sometimes thou09:30
chris_zayep, its really just a money stream for google to be honest09:31
chris_zacant beat a good solid site formatted right :)09:31
solidity80% of their revenue comes from advertising, and the value of the ads is directly linked to the quality of the search results that get people's eyeballs looking in the first place09:31
chris_zaQuality and Validity :)...you can basically put anything you want in adwords so validity of content could be debateable09:33
MaNInot so sure about their business being quality results anymore09:34
MaNIthe ranking already pushes all sorts of other little hidden agendas of theirs09:34
chris_zathe natural method trolls your content, so the validity should in theory be higher09:34
solidityMaNI: fair enough, but I'm not talking about what you would consider quality content, but the average use case for google.09:35
solidityfor a google search*09:35
chris_zaI use it mainly for spelling lol09:35
MaNIthe average use case is to find relevant results09:35
MaNIpunishing sites that have lots of content, because they aren't 'mobile friendly' flies in the face of that use case09:35
MaNIbut it suits googles use case of wanting everyone to use android for everything09:36
chris_zayea mobile-friendly is a new thing, its a pain in the ass really09:36
solidityPerhaps if the search is from a mobile phone.09:36
solidityDon't they cater the result based on the platform you search from?09:36
MaNIthats not how it works though, its punished for everyone09:36
chris_zait effectively means every site has to be responsive09:36
MaNIhaving long content now kills your page rank09:36
solidityThat is what I mean though, what is relevant to the average use case then is easy mobile accessibility.09:37
chris_zaI think you can overcome it by using excerpts and "read more" structure09:37
MaNIit long ago stopped being about relevance and started being about how google wants your webpage to look09:37
solidityAnd responsive websites should work well on all platforms?09:37
chris_zayes, responsive is all about cross-platform09:38
SDCDevmorning morning09:38
soliditySo I'm for that actually then.09:38
solidityBut, I use duckduckgo most of the time anyway.09:38
chris_zaI agree, but again, explaining to clients they have to rehash their sites now09:39
solidityWell, that is why I stopped doing webdev: clients.09:39
chris_zamost say "but I've had it for XX years", it works lol09:39
chris_zaI've been doing mostly out the box dev recently09:40
chris_zasaves the manual dev09:40
solidityout the box?09:40
soliditystuff like weebly?09:40
chris_zathe lazy web dev using wordpress, joomla, drupal that kinda platform09:40
solidityah09:40
chris_zamost are code heavy but saves alot of time09:41
solidityYeah.09:41
solidityI'm building a site for a friend as a favour using weebly, but nice thing is since it is very wysiwyg and user friendly he can maintain it once I'm done.09:42
chris_za10 years ago it was unheard of to be able to do a e-commerce roll out in under an hour :)09:42
solidityhehe yep09:42
chris_zanever tried weebly, must take a look09:42
chris_zabeen using primaryly wordpress for the main reason I dont have to re-invent the wheel for each requirment09:43
solidityOnly time I used wordpress was for updating an existing website.09:44
solidityBut that site was a disaster in terms of speed.09:44
chris_zawas it on shared hosting ?09:45
solidityDon't remember, probably.09:45
chris_zayea wordpress on shared hosting can tend to be sluggish09:45
solidityOur firm didn't build it, we just reskinned it and updated it.09:46
chris_za:) using Artiseer for the theme ?09:46
chris_zaor manual CSS09:47
soliditycompletely custom design, so manual CSS09:47
chris_za:) I'm too lazy these days for even that, so many theme's availible already, just modify to clients needs :)09:48
chris_zaone of the major problems these days is clients are getting "smarter" and think its easy so they just wont pay for good dev09:48
chris_zaThats why I'm slowly trying to transition into streaming TV content :)09:50
solidityWell, that was a design and marketing firm, so pretty and custom design was their thing.10:01
solidityMan.10:02
soliditySoup + break = heaven10:02
soliditybread*10:02
soliditynice freshly baked German Landbrot10:03
barrydkShame solidity hope you get well soon10:05
soliditynah, I'm 100%10:05
barrydk100% sick?10:05
solidityhar10:05
solidityJust because sick people eat healthy food doesn't mean healthy people should eat sick food.10:06
mazalAnybody know where be oom Kilos ?10:06
chris_zahe mentioned power issues in his area mazal10:06
mazaloi , ok ta chris_za10:07
barrydkI only eat soup if i can eat it with a knife and fourk i still can chew my food10:07
mazalmaaz tell Kilos Oom herhinner my aan 2de deel van terugvoer10:07
Maazmazal: Righto, I'll tell Kilos on freenode10:07
solidityYou can emulsifiy your soup by adding (wholewheat) flour and ground flaxseed, and just use chunky ingredients.10:08
solidityApply knife before cooking, should able to use a fork then with the emulsification.10:09
solidity:P10:10
mazalaaaah hot coffee , soos koekies in die weeshuis :)10:10
solidityThat is... actually rather depressing.10:14
chris_zaso is anyone streaming TV content in here ?10:15
solidityLike twitch?10:16
solidityOr stream tv shows?10:16
chris_zalive stream TV10:16
soliditySo like twitch then.10:17
solidityI think.10:17
chris_zayea looks similar10:17
chris_zatwitch just for game channels ?10:18
solidityI don't know.10:19
solidityBut everything I have seen from twitch is based around games.10:19
chris_zayea looks like it, I was meaning more TV from around the world10:19
solidityWhat do you stream?10:20
chris_za200 channels lol :)10:20
chris_zacan post a link if its allowed10:21
solidityAs long as it is sfw I'm pretty sure it would be allowed.10:22
chris_zahttp://www.filmon.com/?affid=161961Bs10:22
chris_zagot an android app too :)10:23
Kiloshmm...10:23
chris_zaI did ask :) sorry Kilos10:24
Kiloswhat?10:24
chris_zaoh, to post a link 10:24
Kilosjust had 3rd power cut today, sigh10:24
Cryterion99 little bugs in the code, 99 little bugs in the code, take one down patch it around, 127 little bugs in the code......10:24
Kilosthats fine10:24
chris_zaouch 3rd one in a short time, sounds more like a substation10:24
CryterionThey just switched mine back on, 30mins10:25
Kilosnow its the pta power peeps messing around10:25
Cryterionand dbn ones10:25
Kilosdoesnt help to ask them to pay for damaged equipment either10:25
Kilosim in ptown10:26
chris_zayea, I lost a couple of PSU's and 2 or 3 HDD's10:26
Kilossend scrap hdds this way10:26
Kilosi use the parts to repair others10:27
MaNIcode with only 99 bugs in it, that sounds like a lie :p10:27
chris_zagot piles of them, well I has a clean out end of last year, musta dumped about 10010:27
solidityBugs are just features in disguise.10:27
chris_zadown to about 20-30 laying around now10:27
MaNI20-30 known ones you mean :p10:28
Kiloshi Trixar_za  hows things10:30
chris_zaalive and kicking :)10:30
Trixar_zaHey Kilos. Could be better, but I'm working on that :P10:31
Kilosgood10:31
solidityI recommend some nice warm soup and break.10:32
soliditydamnit10:32
soliditybread*10:32
chris_zaI cant take lunch yet :D had done sod all work yet lol10:32
chris_zahavn't*10:33
soliditySo, I just read that Kanye West called his daughter North.10:33
soliditySo her name is North West.10:33
Kiloshaha10:33
solidityI can't figure out if this awesome or terrible, or terribly awesome.10:34
chris_zashe will have enough money not to care :)10:34
Kilosbad for the kid10:35
Kilosmuch ragging throughout lifetime10:35
MaNIkid is rich so will be fine10:35
MaNIshould be more concerned about having such an ass of a father than its name when it comes to ragging anyway10:37
chris_zaurg, suppose I should do some work or fake some work at least10:37
chris_zaback in a bit :)10:38
Kilosohi superfly   sudo add-apt-repository link is the right way isnt it10:40
Kilosthe update gets the key things10:40
superflyyes10:44
solidityKanye should call his next child "Wild WIld"10:44
Kilosty10:44
MaNIor go10:44
KilosMaaz  seen jacques_stry11:05
MaazKilos: jacques_stry was last seen 21 days, 5 hours, 23 minutes and 52 seconds ago in #ubuntu-za on freenode [2015-05-17 22:41:22 PDT], and has been offline on freenode since 2015-05-18 06:20:56 PDT11:05
Kilossjoe11:05
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mazalOom Kilos hier ?11:59
Kilosja12:06
Kiloswas buite innie son mazal  12:06
mazalKilos: Second bit of feedback RE systemback app12:08
mazalThe snapshot part12:08
Kilosah12:08
mazalIt seems to basically be a straight copy of the whole system to the destination drive12:09
mazalEach one has a sub folder with it's date12:09
mazalHome folders are included , but only hidden folders inside homes are included12:09
mazalDocuments , pictures etc. are not included12:10
mazalThe snapshots can be schedules for every x amount of days or hours or minutes12:10
mazalScheduling works fine , I scheduled mine last week for every 4 days , and it ran today12:10
mazalAs for loading back a snapshot , I don't know. Couldn't find time to break my system on purpose to test12:11
Kiloslol12:13
captinehi there.  need some advice.  Am a long time cybersmart user for ADSL and their capped packages are great, but am needing to save some cash.  Currently on a 10 meg capped line, but thinking of moving to a 4meg uncapped as that seems to be the cheapest option.  just wanting to know if anyone has a recommendation as I have tried the cybersmart offering and it was terrible the last time I went onto it12:13
captinemazal, what snapshot tool are you talking about there?12:14
mazalI only ever had bad performance on uncapped so can't recommend12:14
mazalsystemback captine12:14
mazalOom Kilos had link to it12:14
captinethnx12:14
Kilosso mazal  is it a good alternate to remastersys in your opinion12:15
mazalYes and no12:15
Kilosmake up your mind12:15
mazalfor your own pc , yes , defnitely yes. Works really easy once you know what to do12:15
Kilosah12:16
mazalFor iso's to share. Defnitely no , due to your configs that is included in iso12:16
Kilosok ty for the feedback lad12:16
mazalThe snapshots is a nice extra to have. Should be handy when you just broke a few files and need to restore them12:16
Kilosill try keep remastersys going and see when it stops working12:17
mazalFor the snapshots though I would have prefered it included all home data , not just the configs12:17
Kiloscan you not change it to suit?12:18
mazalThen it would have been a nice all-in-one solution , but as is you still need to ran seperate backup for home data12:18
Kilosah12:18
Kilosfind the remastersys src file12:19
mazalI can't find any setting for the snapshot to include all home data12:19
Kilospity no one downloaded the source while it was still free12:19
mazalOk now this is strange12:22
Kiloslol what12:22
mazalMine is set to NOT include hidden folders in home , but it does12:22
Kiloshmm...12:23
mazalOk , that must be one AND you must manually select which hidden folders to exclude12:24
mazalBut no option whatsoever for the data folders like Documents etc.12:24
mazalStrange decision.12:24
mazalMaybe they will add it in later12:24
Kilosya i think they are still working on it12:25
mazalThe only option for data folders is for the iso , not the snapshot12:25
MaNIno source code available for it anywhere?12:26
mazalI dunno MaNI12:27
Kilosmazal  you still have the link12:27
mazalNope12:27
Kilosi lost that last week already12:27
Kilosoh my12:27
mazalDitto12:27
mazalgoogle should find it though12:28
Kiloslet me see what i can find12:28
mazalhttp://www.techrepublic.com/article/create-a-live-system-iso-for-your-ubuntu-based-linux-machines-using-systemback/12:28
Kilosya that was it12:29
KilosMaNI  see if you can find source12:29
mazalhttps://launchpad.net/systemback12:29
MaNIsounds like quite a scandal12:29
MaNIits GPL software so they can be legally compelled to provide the source12:29
mazalhttp://sourceforge.net/projects/systemback/12:29
mazalIt defnitely have an "unfinished" feel to it , and I assume they will be adding features12:30
Kiloslets hope12:31
mazalYeah remaster is not going to be working for much longer12:31
mazalWe been lucky so far that the old one works12:31
Kilosone guy said to me if you have the packages they should keep working because it copies /root12:32
mazalI already had issues with config in x that changed12:33
mazalHad to fiddle to get it to work12:33
Kilosoi, mine i did last week on 14.04 kde worked perfectly12:34
mazalYeah once set it works12:34
mazalBut remember there was a config file that had to be created first , a file that's location moved12:35
Kiloslol i dunno how to set stuff, i just run it12:35
mazalCan't remember now what that file was12:35
mazallightdm12:35
mazalhad something to do with that12:36
Kilosah12:36
mazalI should have noted that process down me thinks :P12:37
Kilosya12:37
Kilosdo like me, make notes of everything then lose the notes12:38
mazalI usually create files , then can't remember in which folder I put it12:42
ThatGraemeGuydropbox is my go-to for that sort of thing12:43
Kiloslol12:45
Kilosthats actually a good plan ThatGraemeGuy  12:45
Kilossave notes on dropbox12:45
magespawngood afternoon12:46
Kiloshi magespawn  12:46
Kilosyou missed lots12:46
Kilosall kinds of code chat here12:46
mazalBye everyone , have a nice evening. God bless12:48
Kiloscheers mazal  12:49
Kilosty you too12:49
Kilosai!12:49
barrydkCheers everyone12:49
Kiloscheers barr12:49
Kilosai! again12:49
magespawnhi Kilos 12:54
superflyOh, happy birthday ThatGraemeGuy!13:23
Kiloswooo happy happy ThatGraemeGuy  13:23
ThatGraemeGuythanks :-)13:32
Kiloscoffee on you13:32
KilosMaaz  coffee on13:32
* Maaz flips the salt-timer13:32
KilosMaaz  and cake13:33
MaazHere is a large cake for the birthday boy.13:33
Kilosinetpro  coffee and cake while its quiet13:34
MaazCoffee's ready for Kilos!13:36
magespawnThatGraemeGuy: congratulations13:38
magespawnpack up time later all13:38
KilosMaaz  danke13:39
MaazBitteschön13:39
Kiloscheers magespawn  13:39
* Kilos drinks coffee and eats cake all on my lonesome13:43
ThatGraemeGuythanks13:43
Kilossigh13:43
Kiloslol13:44
Xethron_Heya everyone :)13:48
Kiloshi Xethron_  hows things by you13:49
Xethron_Greetings Kilos, good and with you?13:49
Kilosgood ty13:49
Xethron_Its quiet today14:52
Kilosya15:15
Kiloswas a madhouse last night15:19
Kiloswhere you been Xethron_  15:19
Kilosdont say busy15:19
Kiloswoo me rich15:23
Kiloslast lids laptop i fixed sent me R45015:23
Kiloskids not lids15:42
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Kiloso/15:55
Kiloshaha mazal  minetest time?15:59
soliditybliksem dit raak nou koud16:02
Kilosja kwaai16:02
soliditytyd om weer my here klerekas aan te trek.16:03
Cryterionhaven't seen him join yet16:03
Kiloswho?16:03
Cryterionmazal16:03
Cryterionon minetest16:03
Kilosoh there16:04
solidityminetest?16:04
mazalmaking food actually Kilos 16:04
Kiloson your pc??16:04
mazalnope16:04
Kilosi need one of those16:05
mazalI heard ding !!!!!16:05
Kiloshaha16:05
mazalSo came to check who is skinnering of me :)16:05
Kiloslol16:05
mazalyeah ! It's ready. I go eat16:06
Kilosmy old p3 used to blow hot air out the back, this one only blows cold, too efficient16:06
Kilosenjoy mazal  16:06
Kilosoh and the ding is a pling16:06
solidityminetest??16:06
Kilosgame like minecraft but free16:07
Kilosvery lekker and addictive16:07
Kilosjust expensive on 3g16:07
solidityoh neat16:07
solidityBit of a minecraft addict myself but due to driver issues and other things I don't want to sukkel with I stopped.16:08
solidityI'll check it out.16:08
Kilostry minetest, graeme and Cryterion  run a server16:08
Kiloshi smile16:08
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smilehi :p16:14
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solidityWell, it runs but it is still sluggish on this cheap and old laptop.16:31
Kiloswhat?16:31
solidityminetest16:35
Cryterionjoin a server. so you don't have the server side running as well16:37
solidityok, I'll try, details16:37
Cryterionmt.thatgreameguy.co.za:3000016:38
Kilossolidity  join #minetest-za16:38
Kilosspelling Cryterion  16:38
* stickyboy is writing a blog post on systemd timers.16:46
magespawngood evening16:47
Cryterionhi16:47
Kiloshi my magespawn  16:49
CryterionKilos: spelling ?16:50
Kilosthatgreameguy16:50
Kilosmaybe i misread16:51
* Kilos scrolls back16:51
Cryterionhmm. often do that16:51
Kiloslol16:51
Cryterionsolidity is connected now anyway16:52
Kilosyeah you must teach him to untick some of the stuff so it starts quicker too16:52
solidityI'm still messing with settings.16:53
Kilosi forget what they were16:53
Cryterionall default now in lastest version16:53
Cryterionsome no longer an option16:54
solidityhttp://pasteboard.co/14ALZC0s.png16:55
soliditythat's how it looks to me16:55
solidityAs you can see, not very nice16:56
Cryterionhmm. you running on windows16:56
solidityyes16:56
solidityI'm the black sheep in this channel.16:56
Kiloseeeeek16:57
solidityWhy the hate?16:57
Cryteriondon't know if the win build is updated enough yet. server is on latest dev16:57
solidityI don't get those glitches when I host16:57
solidityor run single player16:57
Kilosno hate16:57
Kilosjust sympathy16:58
soliditywhy?16:59
Cryterionwon't if you hosting. as client and server are both you16:59
solidityDon't confuse these bugs with a windows issue, this is more a laptop issue.16:59
soliditysince I installed win8 on hardware that only has win7 drivers.16:59
solidityand no ubuntu/linux isn't much of an improvement in this regard17:00
Cryterionpossibly. just saying the win builds might be a bit out of date17:00
solidityfair enough17:00
Kilosi go eat17:00
soliditybut oh well then17:00
solidityI have to go drop off some things anyway, bbl17:00
Cryterionwe picked up that the latest release couldn't connect. but dev version could17:00
solidityok, I'll check when I get back then17:01
mazalmaaz tell solidity I use sfan's latest build on Win 7 and have no issues , give it a try https://sfan5.pf-control.de/minetest-builds/?f17:36
Maazmazal: Righto, I'll tell solidity on freenode17:37
rusbusMaaz botsnack17:38
MaazYAY someone cares about me too!17:38
* rusbus is now listening to: - Dancing in the Moonlight17:45
mazalNight everyone17:56
Kilosnight mazal  17:57
Kiloslekker slaap17:57
magespawni am also off to my room, chat later 18:00
Kilosnight magespawn  18:00
Kilosoh later then too18:00
solidityyay doing free family tech support18:14
Maazsolidity: By the way, mazal on freenode told me "tell solidity I use sfan's latest build on Win 7 and have no issues , give it a try https://sfan5.pf-control.de/minetest-builds/?f" 37 minutes and 36 seconds ago18:14
solidityYes thank you.18:14
* solidity gives Maaz some oil.18:14
Kiloslol18:15
superflyhttp://arstechnica.com/apple/2015/06/apple-open-sources-swift/18:51
smilebye19:06
Cryterionhmm, is apple waking up19:09
Kiloscheers smail19:10
Kilossmi19:10
Kilosai!19:10
Kiloslast night i could have stayed up then power cut at 8pm19:13
Kilostonight im tired and power stays on19:14
Kilossigh19:14
Cryterionlol19:29
Cryterionwe had none 5 til 619:29
Kilosdrives me nuts19:31
superflywe were supposed to go out at 8, but the lights are still on19:33
Kilosso frustrating19:35
inetpro?19:35
inetprobe happy if it's still on19:36
Kiloslol19:36
inetprogood evening19:36
Kiloshi inetpro  19:36
inetproKilos: what did I miss today?19:37
Kilosnot much , was very quiet19:37
inetprohmm...19:37
inetprodoes that mean I can go sleep now?19:37
Kiloslol will you really19:38
inetprobit early still, I guess19:38
Kiloshaha thought so19:38
Kilosi overdid the garlic magnet cure19:38
inetproai!19:38
Kilosbp dropped to 103/6319:39
Kilosnow im vreeting salt again19:39
Kiloshehe19:39
inetproyikes!19:39
Kiloslol19:40
Kilosim not going to quacks19:40
inetproyou be killing yourself if you seesaw like that19:40
Kilosyeah ill try do things gradually19:41
Kilosthen stop when back at 120/8019:41
Kilosoh my19:48
Kiloswhat did he do wrong19:48
Kilosnight all. sleep tight20:00
georgelappieshi all20:00
Kilosyou lucky inetpro  20:00
Kilosi forgot what i wanted to ask you20:00
Kiloshi georgelappies  20:00
georgelappieshi Kilos20:00
inetprothanks for forgetting Kilos20:00
Kilosyou well?20:00
inetprogood night20:00
Kiloslol20:00
* inetpro only tired20:00
georgelappieswhat up20:00
inetproas usual20:00
Kilosif you chat ill stay a while20:00
inetprogeorgelappies: talk to him20:01
inetprowhile I go sleep20:01
Kilosrofl20:01
georgelappieshehe20:01
Kilosyou going to bed really inetpro  ?20:01
inetproin a few minutes yes20:01
Kilosi wont remember till im in bed20:01
georgelappieshuh20:02
georgelappieswat is dit van bed20:02
Kilosare you well too georgelappies  20:02
* solidity sips wine.20:02
Kilosdie ou mense is moeg man20:02
georgelappiesalways well, maybe too well now20:02
solidityOud, koud en benoud.20:02
georgelappiessolidity, have another sip20:03
solidityJust did.20:03
georgelappieskwaai20:03
Kiloswhat wine20:03
Kilosi used to enjoy old brown20:03
soliditycheap stuff20:03
georgelappiesyeah, maak nie saak nie20:04
solidityDu Toitskloof Cellar - Cabernet Sauvignon ~ Shiraz20:04
solidityBut, to me I just see it sa "red" wine.20:04
solidity:P20:04
inetprogood night everyone20:05
georgelappiesdid you guys donate to wikipedia yet20:05
inetproMaaz: watch them20:05
MaazOK inetpro I'll keep an eye on them for you20:05
* solidity does not pretend to have a sophisticated palate.20:05
Kilosnight inetpro  20:05
soliditynight night20:05
Kilossleep well and warm20:05
solidityI'm busy installing win8 for family.20:06
Kilosdonate what?20:06
Kiloseish20:06
Kilos8 sucks20:06
Kilos7 far better20:06
solidityWikipedia donates free information to me.20:06
solidity8 is better.20:06
solidityI'll fight you.20:06
Kilosyou are the first one i hear say that20:06
georgelappiesyeah some dollars for the biggest source or info on the planet earth20:07
solidityI get that sentiment alot.20:07
Kilosyou cant fight me man, you still a child20:07
georgelappieshow old are you Kilos20:07
Kilosi donate my views on wiki20:07
Kilos64 later this month20:07
solidityFair enough, I at least have some degree of respect for those older than me regardless.20:08
solidityBut I'll rebel and dye my hair!20:08
solidityI should donate to wikipedia.20:08
solidityBut I'm poor.20:08
solidityLike really poor.20:08
Kiloshahaha20:09
solidityI spent like one hour on it today without even planning, reading up an ancient Greece and Greek mythology.20:09
smileDonate to libreoffice that team needs more support :)20:09
smileWikipedia already has millions20:10
solidityEverybody has a cause they will fight for.20:10
georgelappiesi can not remember a day when I did not right click some link to confirm it on wikipedia20:10
solidityMine isn't those.20:10
georgelappiesguys, wikipedia is a non profit20:10
solidityBut I do consider them to be kindred spirits.20:10
Kilosmy cause is ubuntu20:10
georgelappieslol @ solidity 20:11
solidityI believe a person is most effective in a cause they are most passionate about.20:11
georgelappiessure20:11
soliditywhyUlol@mebrah20:11
georgelappiesi love information20:11
smileI just think wikimedia foundation is wasting money on some of their projects20:11
georgelappieslike what smile20:12
smileThe media viewer was outsourced and very expensive in development in terms of money20:12
georgelappiessolidity, just the usage of the language , kindred spirits20:13
smileI think it was a million dollar20:13
georgelappiesdo you use them at all smile20:14
solidityefficiency is relative20:14
smileThe media viewer isnt even good. And what do you mean by using "THEM"20:15
solidityThere is always some way to do things better, more often than not several orders of magnitude so, but because I know how to x and you are a rich person that does y, I get to charge a buttload because you can't x.20:16
Kilossmile  show him your wiki edits20:16
georgelappiesbut smile, dont judge all of human knowledge on the implementation of a media player20:16
smileI am the human knowledge20:16
solidityI can look at everything and think of a better way it could be done.20:17
solidityHold on, I have an annoying self-righteous quote image thingy...20:17
georgelappies:D20:17
smileIf you want to preserve human knowledge I suggest you donate to archive.org they really do a great job20:17
georgelappieswho here knows "Joy Division - Atmosphere"20:18
smilehttp://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speciaal:Bijdragen/Smile4ever20:18
smileI know joy division. Why?20:18
solidityhttp://vinemultimedia.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/rosevelt.jpg20:18
georgelappiessmile, you linking a wikiepedia page20:18
smileIts my edit history on wikipedia20:19
georgelappiesJoy Division is an awesome band, and atmosphere just starting playing now ;p20:19
smileOver 36000 edits20:19
smileNice.20:19
soliditysmile20:20
soliditythis might be the wine talking20:20
soliditywell20:20
solidityit is the wine talking20:20
soliditybut20:20
georgelappiesreal respect smile, you know more than what I do about wikipedia20:20
smileOf course I do. I am with them since 200920:21
smile:-D20:21
georgelappies:D20:21
smileI even have my own bot20:21
solidityevery time I see you name I think of this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNrXMOSkBas20:22
smileAnd I was in the papers twice20:22
smile:)20:22
Kilosnight guys. sleep tight20:22
smileGood night20:22
Kilos:D20:22
smilehttp://hugsmile.eu/tools/media20:22
georgelappiesmmmm, why go o sleep now20:22
smileHe is old20:23
smile:-P20:23
georgelappieswaarom nederlandse links20:23
smileOmdat ik Nederlands praat20:23
smile:-O20:24
georgelappiesis jy van nederlands20:24
smileNee, België20:24
smile:)20:24
smileHoekom jy wonder20:24
georgelappieslekker20:24
smile:-P20:24
georgelappieswant my vrou is van Nederland20:25
smileWaar woon julle?20:25
georgelappiesSecunda20:26
georgelappiesso 200 km vanaf Jhb20:26
smileHoe het jy haar ontmoet?20:27
georgelappiesmaar ons gaan o elke twede jaar na Rotterdam vir haar ouers kuier20:27
smile:-D20:27
georgelappiesek het na skool in Europa in rond neuk20:28
smileLol20:28
smileWat n sin20:29
smile:-P20:29
smileHet jy die artikels gelees?20:30
georgelappiesnog nie20:30
smileDie is steeds beskikbaar 24/720:31
smileRefdag.nl is ni steeds beskikbaar ni, slegs 24/620:32
georgelappiesso jy is vanmening dat wikimedia deur bots gepubiseer word>/20:32
smileNee. Maar die importansie van bots is hoog vir n goeie werking te garandeer20:32
smileDaar is ni genoeg redigeerders ni20:33
smileHet jy geweet meer as 90% van die redigeerders is n man?20:34
georgelappiesbots kan nie nuwe kennis skep nie, slegs ou kennis publiseer20:34
smileOf probleme met dooie skakels oplos, soos my bot20:35
georgelappieswat bedoel jy met "meer as 90% van die redigeerders is n man?"20:36
smileDaar is ni baie vrouwe op Wikipedia20:37
georgelappieswel, daar is nie 'n aktiewe verbot op vroue om te redigeer nie... ;)20:38
smileEk weet, maar die vroue is vaak ni technies aangeleg wat nie motiveer om by te draag nie20:40
georgelappies_got kicked for some reason20:42
smileEk weet, maar die vroue is vaak ni technies aangeleg wat nie motiveer om by te draag nie20:43
smileThat was my last reply20:43
smileYou didnt got kicked, freenode just lost contact with your client20:44
* smile hugs georgelappies_ 20:45
georgelappiesis terug20:46
smileWelkom :)20:47
smileIts a town, too20:48
smile:-D20:48
georgelappiesyeah, worked there for a year20:49
georgelappiesOdendaalsrus, virginia, Welkom ;p20:49
smileLol :)20:50
Cryterionbeen to walmaranstad before20:50
smileHet staat op de lijst van vreemde plaatsnamen op wikipedia20:50
smile:-D20:50
smileWhere is that, Cryterion 20:51
georgelappies?20:51
smileLijst van opmerkelijke plaatsnamen is an article on the dutch wikipedia20:52
georgelappiesaah ek sien20:52
smileYou should google for it20:52
smileGoed. :)20:52
CryterionMiddle of nowhere, get to potjestroom and go on a road 20:53
smile:-P20:53
smileI will have a pleasure exploring south africa once I get there20:54
smile;-)20:54
Cryterionhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nkandla_compound_firepool_controversy - lol pols won to make it official - edited though20:54
georgelappies:D20:54
smile:-D20:54
georgelappiesme - listening to Leonard Cohen - The Future - and trying to make sense of it all20:58
smileDo you use vlc?20:59
georgelappiesnope, audacious20:59
georgelappieson Fedora 2220:59
smile:-(20:59
smile:-O20:59
smileManjaro/arch here21:00
georgelappiesI use vlc for video21:00
georgelappiesManjaro is nice21:00
smileI have a lyrics extension for vlc in development21:01
georgelappiesI have taken a liking to GNOME 3 and Fedora seems to best at it21:01
georgelappiescool21:01
smileYeah, the fact it combines stability with rolling is nice21:01
georgelappiesyeah, just fedup every 6 months ;p21:02
smileIt works almost the way I want it, but there are some crashes that need to be worked out21:02
smileIts because of the bad scripting engine at the core of vlc21:02
Cryterionanyone here know much about gnupg?21:03
smileAsk the free software foundation :-P21:03
Cryterioninstall probs, it's already free :)21:03
smileThe free software foundation is just an entity to promote free software :) they recommend using pgp21:04
smileA good place for such questions is askubuntu.com21:05
CryterionYeah I know, but Email client swears at me everytime I open it, got all the details to update, but have a problem with them21:06
georgelappiesI am out for the night, may the source be with you21:07
Cryterionbeen there, done that, bit further, script isn't realising a newer version21:08
CryterionMaaz21:08
CryterionMaaz: help21:08
MaazCryterion: I can help you with: looking things up, remembering things, delivering messages, decisions, games, monitoring things, browsing the internet, conversions, silly fun stuff, calculations, system administration, software development and south african stuff.21:08
MaazAsk me "help me with ..." for more details.21:08
smileMaaz: hello21:08
MaazHowzit smile21:08
solidityMaaz help me with south african stuff21:10
Maazsolidity: I use the following features for south african stuff: lotto21:10
MaazAsk me "how do I use ..." for more details.21:10
solidityMaaz how do I use lotto21:11
Maazsolidity: Gets the latest lotto results from the South African National Lottery. You can use it like this:21:11
Maaz  lotto21:11
CryterionMaaz: tell inetpro need help with gnupg2 upgrade.21:11
MaazCryterion: Righto, I'll tell inetpro on freenode21:11
Cryterionha, done :)21:11
CryterionI like him21:11
solidityMaaz tell solidity stop talking to yourself you crazy badger.21:11
Maazsolidity: Righto, I'll tell solidity on freenode21:11
smile:-D21:11
smileMaaz: tell feybart hi from smile21:12
Maazsmile: I don't know who feybart is. Say 'feybart on freenode' and I'll take your word that feybart exists21:12
smileMaaz: tell feybart on freenode hi from smile21:12
Maazsmile: Okay, I'll tell feybart on freenode21:12
solidityMaaz tell Maaz stop hitting yourself21:12
Maazsolidity: I can't deliver messages to myself21:12
Maazsolidity: By the way, solidity on freenode told me "tell solidity stop talking to yourself you crazy badger." 1 minute and 13 seconds ago21:12
solidityMaaz tell Maaz I can't deliver messages to myself21:13
Maazsolidity: I can't deliver messages to myself21:13
solidityclose nough21:13
Cryterion99 liitle bugs in the code21:14
Cryterion99 little bugs in the code21:14
smileMaaz: can you fix me?21:14
Maazsmile: Excuse me?21:14
CryterionTake one out, patch it about21:14
Cryterion127 little bugs in the code21:14
smileMaaz: help me with bugs21:14
Maazsmile: I'm afraid I don't know what you are asking about. Ask "what can you do" to browse my features.21:14
smile:-O21:14
CryterionMaaz: 99 bugs in the code21:15
MaazCryterion: *blink*21:15
Cryterionhmmf21:15
smileMaaz: remember to wash your clothes at six21:15
Maazsmile: Excuse me?21:15
CryterionMaaz: 99 little bugs in the code21:16
MaazCryterion: What?21:16
CryterionMaaz: sorry it 127 now21:17
MaazCryterion: *blink*21:17
Cryterionyeah, lol21:17
solidityhehe21:17
solidityso yeah21:19
solidityMy body is telling my eat cheese. but my mind is telling me not to eat cheese.21:20
smileThen you should ask your heart21:20
smile:-O21:20
solidityMy heart is a dumbass.21:21
solidity(which means my heart is saying yes to cheese)21:21
* Cryterion smells cheese21:21
* smile touches the cheese21:22
* Cryterion 's rat starts going crazy21:22
solidityI wonder if the fermeting bacteria in cheese evolved to create the ultimately seductive smell in order to lure us into making more cheese.21:22
Cryterionhmmm21:22
Cryterionmaybe it formed other things too21:23
solidityMaybe that is a kind of psychological parasitism.21:23
smileOr maybe not.21:23
solidityOr maybe not not.21:23
smileMaybe it was all meant to be21:23
solidityExactly.21:23
smileOur destiny.21:23
CryterionCheese is good, love it21:24
smile:-P21:24
solidityI refuse!21:24
Cryterioneat it, healthy21:24
smileLets fuck it then21:24
Cryterionhmm21:24
Cryterionna21:24
solidityI shall resist all carnal temptations that defy the cold indifferent discrimination of science!21:24
Cryterionscience atm is wrong21:25
solidityI'm listening.21:25
CryterionDo you know what margerine is?21:25
solidityYes.21:26
CryterionThen why won't fly's eat it?21:26
smileMaaz: wake up21:26
Maazsmile: What?21:26
solidityMaaz: dance for me.21:26
Maazsolidity: Huh?21:26
solidityMaaz: be confused by my commands.21:26
Maazsolidity: What?21:26
FeyBartMaaz: Gimme five.21:27
MaazFeyBart: Sorry...21:27
CryterionThe original margarine was 1 molecule different from plastic21:27
FeyBartMaaz: Be apologetic.21:27
MaazFeyBart: Excuse me?21:27
CryterionStick to Butter21:27
FeyBartMaaz: Yeah, like that.21:27
MaazFeyBart: What?21:27
CryterionMaaz: Eat you butter21:27
MaazCryterion: Huh?21:27
CryterionMaaz: Just Eat it21:27
MaazCryterion: What?21:27
solidity>implying butter isn't inferior to many other alternatives21:28
CryterionMaaz: Taste it21:28
MaazCryterion: What?21:28
solidityMaaz: homo says What?21:28
Maazsolidity: Sorry...21:28
CryterionMaaz: Are you hungry21:28
MaazCryterion: Sorry...21:28
soliditydamn21:28
Cryterionhmm21:28
solidityanyway21:30
soliditypoor bot21:30
solidityso abused21:30
CryterionAnyway Butter is better than marg, and cheese is good21:30
solidityI disagree on the cheese is good part.21:31
* Cryterion needs to find an article he seen on fb21:31
solidityBut agree on the butter > margarine part21:31
solidityAh yes facebook, the most reputable of all scientific journals.21:31
solidityPlease do.21:31
CryterionAbout colestrol21:32
* solidity is still waiting for facebook science.21:35
* Cryterion is still searching, and hates fb now21:41
Cryterionsaw it this morning sometime, it changes itself in what it thinks you want to see21:42
Cryterionsolidity: https://www.facebook.com/gerry.retief/posts/10153924620048032?pnref=story21:51
Cryterionfound it21:52
soliditylets just hope I don't need facebook to view it21:52
Cryterioncan copy paste etc21:53
Cryteriondidn't read the source yet http://www.statinnation.net/21:53
soliditystatinnation.net21:53
soliditywithout even opening it I'm filled with a sense of dread21:54
Cryterionhmm21:54
smileSlaapwel :)22:05
soliditynag22:06
soliditymag die goggas in jou bed harder droom as jy.22:06
smileDankie22:06
solidity:P22:06

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