=== rusbus is now known as Russ_|Away [05:48] More almal [05:50] Môre. [06:20] ai! now they even check if they can remember how to cut my power [06:22] morning nlsthzn barrydk captine and all you others [06:24] morning [06:33] good mornings [06:33] lo inetpro [06:37] mornings [06:39] hi ThatGraemeGuy [07:02] aloha [07:02] hello superfly [07:02] hi fly [07:02] email some pizza [07:23] Morning everyone [07:23] hi mazal [07:24] 'lo [07:33] I need vodka , or witblitz , or green herbs , or anything [07:33] One of those Mondays [07:34] haha [08:07] hi elacheche Cryterion [08:07] o/ [08:07] How are you doing today Kilos :) [08:07] good ty and you? [08:07] Good thanks :) [08:14] Morning [08:17] I forgot the group name lol...found it again [08:18] what name? [08:18] I was joining #ubuntu_za the whole time [08:18] :D [08:18] add it in your irc client [08:19] yep just did lol...wondered why I was piet snot all on my own [08:19] haha [08:19] been there done that [08:19] I was thinking Jislyk these mense sleep late on a monday :) [08:20] hahaha [08:20] we are nearly always here [08:20] even got some owls [08:20] good to know if I ever get stuck [08:21] I can normally fix most things thou [08:21] good then you can help noobs too [08:21] keep record of fixes [08:21] was it you that couldnt get printers working [08:22] yea, but in my defense....they are Canon MF units [08:22] support for them is horrible [08:22] there must be a fix somewhere [08:22] I've trolled....its an MF5700 series [08:22] hp stuff is very ubuntu friendly [08:23] yea probably gonna buy the HP MF Lazer [08:23] pain in the ass printing to file then running Win7 in a VB just to print [08:24] http://www.computing.net/answers/unix/can-the-canon-mf5700-work-under-linux-driver/9073.html [08:25] somewhere someone must have had the same prob [08:25] you can always ask on #ubuntu [08:25] the whole world watches there [08:26] from what I have found trolling there's no fix as of yet [08:26] i cant keep up on that channel [08:26] and canon wont come to the party [08:26] ai! [08:26] are they scanners as well? [08:26] its cool thou, had the unit for about 5 years so its time for a change anyway [08:27] yep 4-1 [08:27] try run simplescan and see if it sees it [08:27] cant get my 3200F scanner working either :) [08:27] i think its called simplescan [08:27] yep tried lol [08:27] ai! [08:28] even tried sudo find-sanner command, it fails [08:28] blocks with permissions but even as root it doesn't ID the scanner [08:29] worse case, I'll set up a basic Win7 machine just for the stuff I cant get working on Ubuntu [08:30] the VB is ok but hellishly slow [08:31] ai! second short power cut this morning [08:32] was gonna say, hellkom or inefectiveeskom [08:32] They in stage 1 atm, stage 2 is scheduled for this afternoon [08:32] hmm they said on the radio stage 1 and reverting back to no load shedding [08:33] eish [08:33] honestly cant keep up with the flipping and flopping anymore [08:33] ECR said stage 2 this afternoon [08:33] im learning to hate eskom [08:33] prince of darkness [08:34] hmm ok maybe gridwatch is just not updating as quick :) [08:35] so weird though, we go over a week with no shedding then they get koeberg running and add 9megawatt power to the grid then next day shedding starts again [08:35] all about the next large increase they want [08:36] probably panic'ed "eish everything is waaaking, lets switch something off" [08:36] lol [08:36] * Cryterion lol [08:37] as a paristatal (sp?) they shouldn't be chasing profits, and run it as a business, no pay no power [08:37] think in 1990 koeberg was operating at 45% over capacity [08:39] man I need new/better clients lol [08:40] do you know how to use modprobe? [08:41] im just guessing now but that might help find the printer [08:42] man modprobe [08:42] I can give it a try, but doesn't it assume a drive it avail ? [08:42] i had to use it once to find something that the pc didnt see [08:44] I'll give a try later, but based on all I read, think its something to do with the firmware on the printer itself [08:45] that sucks [08:45] there's very little support for it on Win7 64b too, have to force it to use the 32b driver [08:46] anything takes longer than 2 hours to set up and configure, for me anyway, aint worth the time :) [08:47] lol [08:49] wouldn't be surprised if they finally managed to blow up the pump storage scheme turbines or something, those things were meant to operate only an hour or two a day for peak usage and they've been using them in overdrive [08:49] OTOH I wouldn't be surprised if the shortages are all manufactured like an african ENRON [08:49] yeah [08:50] don't really know what to think anymore === MaNL is now known as MaNI [08:50] does anybody know a number for capemail hub that they actually pick up on? [08:51] for updates u mean ? [08:51] oh u mean a telephone number [08:52] yeah telephone.. [08:53] isn't it localised ? [08:53] to area's I mean [08:54] Western Cape: 021 590 5400 [08:54] yes but each area has a big hub where customs is and all parcels get stuck (like miniature black holes), for JHB people its WITS or OR TAMBO - here it is capemail :P [08:56] ahh I got a fax machine last time I tried that one, but now it works [08:57] "your call is important to us, umkillikilli telkom unbose" lol [08:57] I can hear them talking in the background about shopping in the school holidays :/ [08:57] mind u telkoms service has been suprizingly better the last year or so [09:02] great parcel located, its inside the black hole as anticipated [09:02] one day capemail will figure out how to actually send people notification slips, it will be a glorious day [09:03] lol [09:04] seriously - it takes like 5 days for package to come from hong kong to za, and then it sits at capemail for like 2-3 months :p [09:08] Tell them the package was only meant to last a few days and that the deadly virus that it contains will leak out into their workspace if you don't pick it up soon. [09:08] lol [09:09] im still crying about my mark signed ubuntu certificate that they put in one of their black holes [09:09] the swines [09:11] heh [09:12] and the package status says 'in transit' not 'sitting on shelf collecting dust', such liars :p [09:13] lol [09:13] but yeah customs seems to be the main problem always [09:21] sorry was explaining to a client why ad-words suck lol [09:21] Why does it suck? [09:23] well let me correct myself, ad-words suck if your actual website itself sucks [09:24] Heh. [09:24] Pretty much. [09:24] trying for force ranking just using ad-words is ineffectual I was meaning [09:25] :) [09:25] Wouldn't adwords have no effect on rankings? [09:26] aside from displaying it in the advert space. [09:26] but the non-ad rankings should be independent of adwords afaik [09:26] you get higher priorty ranking using ad-words [09:26] oh, that's lame [09:27] but using adwords up against a properly formulated site with proper tags and alt's etc [09:27] But I don't know the system very well. [09:27] the "natural" ranker will always outstrip the forced adwords [09:28] http://www.submitawebsite.com/blog/2010/03/does-buying-google-adwords-improve.html [09:28] That article is pretty old though. [09:28] but tl;dr google doesn't affect natural rank because of adwords [09:29] yep, adwords will just give priorty listing while you still have funds in the account, some say the increase in traffic might improve the ranking [09:29] but natural ranking is still the better option :) [09:30] But that makes sense, I think that the quality of results returned would go down if adwords impacted natural ranking because then money > good website. [09:30] So google wouldn't want to do that, because that is basically their business, quality results. [09:30] explaining it to clients is fun sometimes thou [09:31] yep, its really just a money stream for google to be honest [09:31] cant beat a good solid site formatted right :) [09:31] 80% of their revenue comes from advertising, and the value of the ads is directly linked to the quality of the search results that get people's eyeballs looking in the first place [09:33] Quality and Validity :)...you can basically put anything you want in adwords so validity of content could be debateable [09:34] not so sure about their business being quality results anymore [09:34] the ranking already pushes all sorts of other little hidden agendas of theirs [09:34] the natural method trolls your content, so the validity should in theory be higher [09:35] MaNI: fair enough, but I'm not talking about what you would consider quality content, but the average use case for google. [09:35] for a google search* [09:35] I use it mainly for spelling lol [09:35] the average use case is to find relevant results [09:35] punishing sites that have lots of content, because they aren't 'mobile friendly' flies in the face of that use case [09:36] but it suits googles use case of wanting everyone to use android for everything [09:36] yea mobile-friendly is a new thing, its a pain in the ass really [09:36] Perhaps if the search is from a mobile phone. [09:36] Don't they cater the result based on the platform you search from? [09:36] thats not how it works though, its punished for everyone [09:36] it effectively means every site has to be responsive [09:36] having long content now kills your page rank [09:37] That is what I mean though, what is relevant to the average use case then is easy mobile accessibility. [09:37] I think you can overcome it by using excerpts and "read more" structure [09:37] it long ago stopped being about relevance and started being about how google wants your webpage to look [09:37] And responsive websites should work well on all platforms? [09:38] yes, responsive is all about cross-platform [09:38] morning morning [09:38] So I'm for that actually then. [09:38] But, I use duckduckgo most of the time anyway. [09:39] I agree, but again, explaining to clients they have to rehash their sites now [09:39] Well, that is why I stopped doing webdev: clients. [09:39] most say "but I've had it for XX years", it works lol [09:40] I've been doing mostly out the box dev recently [09:40] saves the manual dev [09:40] out the box? [09:40] stuff like weebly? [09:40] the lazy web dev using wordpress, joomla, drupal that kinda platform [09:40] ah [09:41] most are code heavy but saves alot of time [09:41] Yeah. [09:42] I'm building a site for a friend as a favour using weebly, but nice thing is since it is very wysiwyg and user friendly he can maintain it once I'm done. [09:42] 10 years ago it was unheard of to be able to do a e-commerce roll out in under an hour :) [09:42] hehe yep [09:42] never tried weebly, must take a look [09:43] been using primaryly wordpress for the main reason I dont have to re-invent the wheel for each requirment [09:44] Only time I used wordpress was for updating an existing website. [09:44] But that site was a disaster in terms of speed. [09:45] was it on shared hosting ? [09:45] Don't remember, probably. [09:45] yea wordpress on shared hosting can tend to be sluggish [09:46] Our firm didn't build it, we just reskinned it and updated it. [09:46] :) using Artiseer for the theme ? [09:47] or manual CSS [09:47] completely custom design, so manual CSS [09:48] :) I'm too lazy these days for even that, so many theme's availible already, just modify to clients needs :) [09:48] one of the major problems these days is clients are getting "smarter" and think its easy so they just wont pay for good dev [09:50] Thats why I'm slowly trying to transition into streaming TV content :) [10:01] Well, that was a design and marketing firm, so pretty and custom design was their thing. [10:02] Man. [10:02] Soup + break = heaven [10:02] bread* [10:03] nice freshly baked German Landbrot [10:05] Shame solidity hope you get well soon [10:05] nah, I'm 100% [10:05] 100% sick? [10:05] har [10:06] Just because sick people eat healthy food doesn't mean healthy people should eat sick food. [10:06] Anybody know where be oom Kilos ? [10:06] he mentioned power issues in his area mazal [10:07] oi , ok ta chris_za [10:07] I only eat soup if i can eat it with a knife and fourk i still can chew my food [10:07] maaz tell Kilos Oom herhinner my aan 2de deel van terugvoer [10:07] mazal: Righto, I'll tell Kilos on freenode [10:08] You can emulsifiy your soup by adding (wholewheat) flour and ground flaxseed, and just use chunky ingredients. [10:09] Apply knife before cooking, should able to use a fork then with the emulsification. [10:10] :P [10:10] aaaah hot coffee , soos koekies in die weeshuis :) [10:14] That is... actually rather depressing. [10:15] so is anyone streaming TV content in here ? [10:16] Like twitch? [10:16] Or stream tv shows? [10:16] live stream TV [10:17] So like twitch then. [10:17] I think. [10:17] yea looks similar [10:18] twitch just for game channels ? [10:19] I don't know. [10:19] But everything I have seen from twitch is based around games. [10:19] yea looks like it, I was meaning more TV from around the world [10:20] What do you stream? [10:20] 200 channels lol :) [10:21] can post a link if its allowed [10:22] As long as it is sfw I'm pretty sure it would be allowed. [10:22] http://www.filmon.com/?affid=161961Bs [10:23] got an android app too :) [10:23] hmm... [10:24] I did ask :) sorry Kilos [10:24] what? [10:24] oh, to post a link [10:24] just had 3rd power cut today, sigh [10:24] 99 little bugs in the code, 99 little bugs in the code, take one down patch it around, 127 little bugs in the code...... [10:24] thats fine [10:24] ouch 3rd one in a short time, sounds more like a substation [10:25] They just switched mine back on, 30mins [10:25] now its the pta power peeps messing around [10:25] and dbn ones [10:25] doesnt help to ask them to pay for damaged equipment either [10:26] im in ptown [10:26] yea, I lost a couple of PSU's and 2 or 3 HDD's [10:26] send scrap hdds this way [10:27] i use the parts to repair others [10:27] code with only 99 bugs in it, that sounds like a lie :p [10:27] got piles of them, well I has a clean out end of last year, musta dumped about 100 [10:27] Bugs are just features in disguise. [10:27] down to about 20-30 laying around now [10:28] 20-30 known ones you mean :p [10:30] hi Trixar_za hows things [10:30] alive and kicking :) [10:31] Hey Kilos. Could be better, but I'm working on that :P [10:31] good [10:32] I recommend some nice warm soup and break. [10:32] damnit [10:32] bread* [10:32] I cant take lunch yet :D had done sod all work yet lol [10:33] havn't* [10:33] So, I just read that Kanye West called his daughter North. [10:33] So her name is North West. [10:33] haha [10:34] I can't figure out if this awesome or terrible, or terribly awesome. [10:34] she will have enough money not to care :) [10:35] bad for the kid [10:35] much ragging throughout lifetime [10:35] kid is rich so will be fine [10:37] should be more concerned about having such an ass of a father than its name when it comes to ragging anyway [10:37] urg, suppose I should do some work or fake some work at least [10:38] back in a bit :) [10:40] ohi superfly sudo add-apt-repository link is the right way isnt it [10:40] the update gets the key things [10:44] yes [10:44] Kanye should call his next child "Wild WIld" [10:44] ty [10:44] or go [11:05] Maaz seen jacques_stry [11:05] Kilos: jacques_stry was last seen 21 days, 5 hours, 23 minutes and 52 seconds ago in #ubuntu-za on freenode [2015-05-17 22:41:22 PDT], and has been offline on freenode since 2015-05-18 06:20:56 PDT [11:05] sjoe === cryterion_ is now known as Cryterion [11:59] Oom Kilos hier ? [12:06] ja [12:06] was buite innie son mazal [12:08] Kilos: Second bit of feedback RE systemback app [12:08] The snapshot part [12:08] ah [12:09] It seems to basically be a straight copy of the whole system to the destination drive [12:09] Each one has a sub folder with it's date [12:09] Home folders are included , but only hidden folders inside homes are included [12:10] Documents , pictures etc. are not included [12:10] The snapshots can be schedules for every x amount of days or hours or minutes [12:10] Scheduling works fine , I scheduled mine last week for every 4 days , and it ran today [12:11] As for loading back a snapshot , I don't know. Couldn't find time to break my system on purpose to test [12:13] lol [12:13] hi there. need some advice. Am a long time cybersmart user for ADSL and their capped packages are great, but am needing to save some cash. Currently on a 10 meg capped line, but thinking of moving to a 4meg uncapped as that seems to be the cheapest option. just wanting to know if anyone has a recommendation as I have tried the cybersmart offering and it was terrible the last time I went onto it [12:14] mazal, what snapshot tool are you talking about there? [12:14] I only ever had bad performance on uncapped so can't recommend [12:14] systemback captine [12:14] Oom Kilos had link to it [12:14] thnx [12:15] so mazal is it a good alternate to remastersys in your opinion [12:15] Yes and no [12:15] make up your mind [12:15] for your own pc , yes , defnitely yes. Works really easy once you know what to do [12:16] ah [12:16] For iso's to share. Defnitely no , due to your configs that is included in iso [12:16] ok ty for the feedback lad [12:16] The snapshots is a nice extra to have. Should be handy when you just broke a few files and need to restore them [12:17] ill try keep remastersys going and see when it stops working [12:17] For the snapshots though I would have prefered it included all home data , not just the configs [12:18] can you not change it to suit? [12:18] Then it would have been a nice all-in-one solution , but as is you still need to ran seperate backup for home data [12:18] ah [12:19] find the remastersys src file [12:19] I can't find any setting for the snapshot to include all home data [12:19] pity no one downloaded the source while it was still free [12:22] Ok now this is strange [12:22] lol what [12:22] Mine is set to NOT include hidden folders in home , but it does [12:23] hmm... [12:24] Ok , that must be one AND you must manually select which hidden folders to exclude [12:24] But no option whatsoever for the data folders like Documents etc. [12:24] Strange decision. [12:24] Maybe they will add it in later [12:25] ya i think they are still working on it [12:25] The only option for data folders is for the iso , not the snapshot [12:26] no source code available for it anywhere? [12:27] I dunno MaNI [12:27] mazal you still have the link [12:27] Nope [12:27] i lost that last week already [12:27] oh my [12:27] Ditto [12:28] google should find it though [12:28] let me see what i can find [12:28] http://www.techrepublic.com/article/create-a-live-system-iso-for-your-ubuntu-based-linux-machines-using-systemback/ [12:29] ya that was it [12:29] MaNI see if you can find source [12:29] https://launchpad.net/systemback [12:29] sounds like quite a scandal [12:29] its GPL software so they can be legally compelled to provide the source [12:29] http://sourceforge.net/projects/systemback/ [12:30] It defnitely have an "unfinished" feel to it , and I assume they will be adding features [12:31] lets hope [12:31] Yeah remaster is not going to be working for much longer [12:31] We been lucky so far that the old one works [12:32] one guy said to me if you have the packages they should keep working because it copies /root [12:33] I already had issues with config in x that changed [12:33] Had to fiddle to get it to work [12:34] oi, mine i did last week on 14.04 kde worked perfectly [12:34] Yeah once set it works [12:35] But remember there was a config file that had to be created first , a file that's location moved [12:35] lol i dunno how to set stuff, i just run it [12:35] Can't remember now what that file was [12:35] lightdm [12:36] had something to do with that [12:36] ah [12:37] I should have noted that process down me thinks :P [12:37] ya [12:38] do like me, make notes of everything then lose the notes [12:42] I usually create files , then can't remember in which folder I put it [12:43] dropbox is my go-to for that sort of thing [12:45] lol [12:45] thats actually a good plan ThatGraemeGuy [12:45] save notes on dropbox [12:46] good afternoon [12:46] hi magespawn [12:46] you missed lots [12:46] all kinds of code chat here [12:48] Bye everyone , have a nice evening. God bless [12:49] cheers mazal [12:49] ty you too [12:49] ai! [12:49] Cheers everyone [12:49] cheers barr [12:49] ai! again [12:54] hi Kilos [13:23] Oh, happy birthday ThatGraemeGuy! [13:23] wooo happy happy ThatGraemeGuy [13:32] thanks :-) [13:32] coffee on you [13:32] Maaz coffee on [13:32] * Maaz flips the salt-timer [13:33] Maaz and cake [13:33] Here is a large cake for the birthday boy. [13:34] inetpro coffee and cake while its quiet [13:36] Coffee's ready for Kilos! [13:38] ThatGraemeGuy: congratulations [13:38] pack up time later all [13:39] Maaz danke [13:39] Bitteschön [13:39]