[04:37] Good morning [04:37] o/ pitti [04:38] hey thumper! [05:33] Laney: could you please verify bug 1444402 so that this can hit -updates soon? [05:33] bug 1444402 in systemd (Ubuntu Vivid) "LXC with r/w sys and udev keeps trying to unmount bind mounts" [Medium,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1444402 [05:49] good morning! [05:51] good morning larsu, wie gehts? [05:51] pitti: great thanks! And you? [05:51] good, thanks! [05:52] pitti: so lightdm couldn't call ActivateSession() for me because it tries to activate the *current* session (and I was logged in via ssh) [05:52] larsu: on the phone with systemd? or what's the context? [05:52] pitti: ya [05:53] larsu: oh, so does it boot if you don't have usb attached? [05:53] pitti: got it to work after dist-upgrading and linking /sbin/init manually [05:53] ah, cool [05:53] yes, it boots fine [05:53] but no lightdm [05:53] it crashes in a loop [05:53] err, that's not what I call "fine" then :) [05:53] well, "finer" than it did before :P [05:54] but if you can at least adb/ssh in, that's a nice foot in the door [05:54] indeed [05:54] where does lightdm log to? [05:54] /var/log/lightdm/ [05:54] or shall I start it with -d in the unit? [05:55] you can try (I'm not much of an expert with debugging lightdm, I mostly just look into /var/log/lightdm/) [05:55] larsu: also look into the session logs [05:55] larsu: i. e. ~/.config/upstart/ and stuff [05:55] larsu: e. g. I had to fix bug 1451784 which had the same effect [05:55] bug 1451784 in ubuntu-touch-session (Ubuntu Wily) "ubuntu-touch-session fails to start under systemd" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1451784 [05:56] larsu: and there the error was in ~/.xsession-errors [05:57] pitti: I don't know much about lightdm either. It says it cannot activate a user session, so it tries a "greeter session" (whatever that is) [05:57] and fails because it can't find a configuration for that [05:57] larsu: I suppose we don't have a greeter on touch [05:57] larsu: anything in ~/.x-e? [05:57] pitti: right, I assumed so [05:58] lol... [05:58] init: unrecognized option '--user' [05:58] larsu: but that's the bug above [05:59] larsu: what's your ubuntu-touch-session version? [05:59] pitti: 0.108+15.04.20150407-0ubuntu1 [05:59] this is too old :/ [05:59] pitti: ya, that's why I was laughing [06:00] how am I not getting the new package? [06:00] install a current image? [06:04] err... this is what I thought I did [06:04] I followed https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/start/ubuntu-for-devices/installing-ubuntu-for-devices/ [06:05] larsu: Usually the "devel" channel is ancient (maybe that got fixed now) [06:05] larsu: try devel-proposed? [06:05] you want that for development anyway [06:07] BAH [06:07] ok [06:07] pitti: thanks. Why is our documentation outdated? [06:07] good morning [06:07] larsu: not sure; /me not a phone dev [06:08] larsu: anyway, I think "normal" users want a stable channel, and devs should really use devel-proposed, which updates more or less daily [06:08] bonjour didrocks, ça va ? [06:08] pitti: ça peut aller, et toi ? [06:08] didrocks: je vais bien [06:08] didrocks: morning! [06:09] hey larsu! [06:09] pitti: fair enough. Still frustrating [06:10] didrocks: turns out my bug was because I'm on an old image (who knew -devel is old...) [06:10] pitti: thanks for your patience :) [06:10] larsu: don't talk to me about channel namings… [06:10] (and also out of date ubuntu-device-flash args which don't have stable parameters) [06:10] * larsu stops talking to didrocks about channel namings [06:10] :p [06:10] didrocks: what? They don't? [06:10] no [06:10] change $randomly [06:10] of course, all automation based on it… [06:11] but well, if you ask for stability you are said to be anti-"agile" [06:11] ah, you mean when they added the "touch" command? [06:11] that or change --foo in --bar [06:12] or add new --baz as being required [06:12] like the release version now [06:18] attente: Sure, but there was also https://github.com/lenky0401/fcitx-qimpanel/commit/ba4369f6126a9828bb39528a43ee67ed6c1189ff [06:18] (after your commit) [06:19] And in https://github.com/lenky0401/fcitx-qimpanel/commit/a64d64a4dffae3a56b6fd5a617b6c8ffb6b97546 the ifdefs were added [06:20] So I am sure it's a problem (or intended behavior) of this code, not a bug in Qt. [06:21] Also, I have limited internet access this week, so I am slow at replying. [06:42] good morning desktopers [06:42] bah, typeahead stopped working in gtkfileselectors :-/ [06:42] re seb128 [06:42] lut didrocks [06:45] hey seb128 [06:45] hey pitti [07:09] oh, right, it's that day of the week [07:10] yeo [07:10] yep* [07:14] pitti, it seems that langpacks were not changed in the overlay ppa, do you know if Lucaz worked on that? I can do it now, just don't want to dup work [07:15] seb128: I didn't get any status updates since we talked yesterday either [07:15] pitti, k, let's wait for him then [07:15] he told he had an issue with it, right? [07:15] didrocks, where/when? [07:15] I was off for tennis in the evening [07:16] We noticed issues with our language pack generation mechanisms [07:16] which do not seem to be working for our stable overlay PPA. [07:16] in the landing team email [07:16] oh, right [07:16] that's the issue yes [07:16] we agreed to manual patch those 4 strings translations for at least de/fr/es [07:16] which is what I was asking about [07:16] as a workaround [07:16] ah ok [07:16] so yeah, nothing more [07:17] the issue with the overlay is that it's not translated/translatable in launchpad [07:17] we have translations pages/templates for the ubuntu series and for trunk [07:17] so vivid/wily/trunk [07:17] yeah, that makes sense [07:17] but the overlay is none of those [07:17] ok, so only patching the .po files and reuploading [07:17] yeah, for that one [07:17] then we need to figure a proper way [07:17] yep [07:59] didrocks, on your livecd-rootfs desktop-next change, Colin noted on the review that it might makes sense to use symlinks to ubuntu-core for some of the hooks, any reason you didn't do it? [07:59] mvo_, ^ [07:59] seb128: I would need to find my IRC logs, there was something, one sec… [08:00] didrocks, thanks [08:01] the PM went on the fact that we'll probably deviate in the hooks [08:01] like you did with removing docker for instance [08:01] feel free to symlinks those which makes sense though [08:03] k, thanks [08:05] morning [08:06] hey Laney [08:06] wie gehts? [08:06] kernel panic this morning [08:06] xps 13 fun! [08:06] hey seb128 [08:06] oh :-/ [08:06] otherwise good [08:06] argh [08:06] didrocks, re :p [08:06] morning Laney :p [08:06] ;-) [08:06] how's it going? [08:06] fine, yourself? [08:07] Laney, didrocks, we got a desktop-next snappy i386 build ;-) [08:07] https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-cdimage/+livefs/ubuntu/wily/ubuntu-desktop-next/+build/29166 [08:07] it failed on amd64 though, unsure why [08:07] seb128: nice! [08:07] woo! [08:07] "+ cp -ar boot/vmlinuz-3.19.0-20-generic boot/vmlinuz-3.19.0-20-generic.efi.signed /tmp/tmp.yiVA0lx2A0/assets/vmlinuz [08:07] cp: target '/tmp/tmp.yiVA0lx2A0/assets/vmlinuz' is not a directory" [08:07] now to figure out how to make an image from those tarballs [08:10] seb128, @ image - NICE!!! [08:10] willcooke, hey! [08:10] :-) [08:11] willcooke, waiting on sergiusens to be online now, mvo said he probaly knows how to make an image from those files [08:11] cool [08:11] the current tools download the files from a server, they don't use local versions [08:12] one way would be to publish the desktop-next files to the server, but it's not handy for local testing and bootstrap of the image [08:14] system-image server? [08:16] it's assembling from a json file [08:16] Laney, yes [08:17] or whatever u-d-f uses to build the image [08:17] but yeah, would be better to get that copied in the server file [08:23] seems that hook needs updating to take care of secure-boot stuff [08:23] somehow [08:23] you mean? the amd64 buildlog? [08:24] ye [08:24] i386 doesn't have that [08:24] right [08:24] and it looks like core doesn't have the signed stuff either [08:25] https://code.launchpad.net/~vorlon/goget-ubuntu-touch/uefi/+merge/256869 [08:25] is how core gets its uefi/secure boot working [08:29] maybe ask him to fix it up for us ;-) [08:32] Laney, yeah, let's see :-) [08:35] pitti: let me see - hope that instance is still up [08:35] I have wily on the real system now [08:46] might help to enable proposed... [08:51] speaking about the image build or something else? [08:54] no, some sru [08:59] k [09:18] Laney: cheers! [09:26] pitti, just as a fyi we patched/uploaded to the vivid overlay ppa the langpacks for ca/de/es/fr/it/pt [09:27] seb128: cool, thanks [09:27] so we should be fine for the ota now [09:27] yw! [09:27] patching the langpacks? [09:30] Laney, in the overlay ppa yes [09:30] you didn't follow the discussion on ci-eng yesterday I guess? [09:30] no [09:30] I think it's okay if I don't know :-) [09:30] basically the ppa has no translations support [09:30] translations.l.n has templates for ubuntu series and trunk [09:30] but the ppa is random content [09:30] oh right I can see where this is going [09:30] so langpack miss strings that are specific to it [09:30] so you miss new strings [09:31] yes [09:31] we had 4 new ones in dialer/messaging for that ota [09:31] so we just distro patched those in main languages to be able to roll the ota out as planned [09:31] still need to solve the infra issue [09:31] like by using wily/trunk strings and merging template or something [09:31] or changing back from a ppa to a rtm distro [09:31] tbd [09:41] * Laney rebuilds packages for broken devhelp files [09:41] silly gtk-doc [10:20] xnox: can you remind me where the place to set ubiquity's start page is please? [10:21] I want to get it to start straight at the slideshow [10:22] Laney: you may run the slideshow demo runner in the slideshow upstream branch. [10:22] Laney: or you can reorder the "pages" plugins. oh wait the slideshow in ubiquity is not a page, but a hidden notebook. [10:23] I need to see it as it is in ubiquity [10:23] Laney: tweak it to be not hidden. [10:23] e.g. skip to it. [10:23] * Laney twirls [10:23] purge partman plugin, and then ubiquity becomes a dummy app =) [10:31] ok, neat, don't see the bug that I thought I did [10:32] Laney: what bug? scrollbars? [10:32] ya [10:32] Laney: they come and go, depending on the gtk changes, language, running "installer" for real, overlay scrollbars (missing, getting renamed, changing pixel size) etc. [10:32] I thought I saw them when I installed wily on this laptop the other day [10:33] but they aren't there in this vm [10:33] (Y) [10:33] Laney: i had to fix them each overlay-scrollbar and/or gtk update =( [10:33] overlay-scrollbar is gone [10:33] muhahah [10:33] well. as long as the themeing that we apply to webview is correct than it's all good. [10:34] Laney: did you drop ubiquity-dm force loading overlay-scrollbar modules then?! [10:34] not yet but that's harmless [10:34] *mostly [10:37] * Laney meows [10:39] * ogra_ moos [10:40] * davmor2 bah humbugs === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|lunch [11:31] larsu: do you run with hidpi scaling? [11:35] GDK_SCALE=2 gedit -> the toolbar is huuuugeeeee [11:43] Laney: nope [11:43] isn't the point that it is huge? [11:43] not that huge [11:43] hm, this does look a bit too large indeed [11:44] looks like 4× [11:44] gtk_toolbar_set_icon_size (toolbar, GTK_ICON_SIZE_SMALL_TOOLBAR); makes it right [11:44] but doing this feels wrong [11:44] clearly [11:44] fonts are too large as well [11:44] the default seems to be LARGE [11:45] something is multiplying that factor twice [11:46] oh wait, fonts appear huge but seem to be twice the height from my normal font [11:48] Laney: using the slider in system settings » displays makes it look similarily huge [11:48] that sets the same scale factor [11:48] you can use the env var to just do it once [11:48] willcooke: weekly update sent to you [11:48] thx happyaron [11:53] Laney: not quite. Gdk can only do integer scaling, whereas the slider does floating point [11:53] only for unity [11:54] my ubuntu desktop always gets hangs up [11:56] * Laney aahs [11:58] I played with the slider and now my mouse pointer has gone === alan_g is now known as alan_g|lunch [12:05] larsu, Laney, is the unity panel title "wrongly styled" for you as well? text used to be bold and isn't anymore, unsure if that's due to new gtk [12:09] seb128: still bold for me. You mean the title of the application, right? [12:10] It isn't bold here and I don't have 3.16 on the laptop yet [12:10] larsu, yes [12:10] same issue in compiz titles in fact [12:10] not only in the unity panel [12:11] Laney, wily or vivid? [12:11] I'm pretty sure it was bold in vivid and wily until like a week ago [12:11] compiz titles? [12:12] wily [12:14] larsu, wm decorations [12:14] checked iso, bold vivid and not bold wily [12:14] k [12:14] * Laney phews at gtk not being to blame :-) [12:14] hehe [12:14] did we change the theme in wily? I guess not [12:14] unity didn't change either afaik [12:14] * seb128 scratches head [12:15] hm, maybe I should reboot? [12:15] * larsu still sees bold titles [12:15] probably not worth everyone looking at it [12:15] ChrisTownsend, Trevinho, ^ is that a known issue? [12:15] larsu, maybe just restart compiz? [12:16] seb128: indeed. thanks. Now here's a question: [12:16] WHY ARE MY WINDOW TITLES NOT BOLD ANYMORE????? [12:16] when did you boot? [12:16] /log in previously [12:16] Laney: 7 days ago [12:17] lol [12:17] Laney, I started noticing yesterday, that issue is less than a week old [12:17] 'kay [12:22] Laney, larsu, I had a glance to wily-changes and didn't see anything obvious, I'm not going to debug today but feel free to have a look [12:25] larsu: wow, were they bold before? I honestly can't remember [12:25] (normal font here as well) [12:25] pitti: I just restarted compiz and saw the immediate effect [12:26] seb128: It's not a known issue to me, but I do see what you're talking about. Trevinho would probably know more though. [12:26] pitti: my outrage was mostly to troll seb128 :) [12:26] pitti, yeah, e.g http://cdn5.howtogeek.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/03_in_the_windows_title_bar.png [12:27] my precious panel! [12:27] lol [12:31] didrocks, Laney, desrt: ooh, coming to debconf too? looking forward to it! [12:31] \o/ [12:32] did you get some email? [12:32] same question than Laney ;) [12:32] Laney: Michelle just pointed me to the travel doc [12:32] ah [12:32] ah, there is a travel doc :p [12:33] I was talking to her about plumbers vs. debconf conflict, and that I self-booked debconf already [12:33] going to be fun [12:33] I'm thinking about being there for some of debcamp too [12:34] I wanted to, but we'll attend a wedding on Aug 15 in Magdeburg, so I'll only arrive on Sun [12:34] there's a half week gap or so between guadec and debconf [12:34] probably won't go home for that [12:34] Laney: when is guadec? [12:35] I think 7th-12th including the hackfest days [12:35] and debcamp starts the 9th [12:35] so I'm not sure yet exactly how I will divide myself up [12:36] didrocks, going to debconf this year? [12:36] seb128: yeah, not far, has to go at least once I guess :) [12:36] :-) [12:36] I was pondering going as well [12:37] but seems like my name is not on the list [12:37] oh well, another time ;-) [12:37] it's not finalised yet [12:37] (afaik) [12:37] willcooke: get this man on the list! [12:37] ;-) [12:37] Laney, where did you guys ask to be on the list? [12:37] didrocks, ^ [12:38] I think there was some mail a few months ago [12:38] and I did some light nagging since [12:38] k [12:38] basically ask $boss [12:38] yeah, I guess :-) [12:38] thanks === pat__ is now known as pmcgowan [12:39] seb128: we discussed it in our last sprint as well IIRC [12:40] Laney: we can write up something around the line: "the German in Germany" (note the non s at German) ;) [12:40] lol [12:41] die Deutsch in Deutschland [12:41] (die?) [12:43] seb128: I also just signed up myself about a month ago, I didn't know that Canonical was sponsoring [12:43] Laney: "Der Deutsche in Deutschland" [12:44] larsu: any idea about the toolbar thing? should I file a bug? [12:44] pitti: isn't that plural? [12:44] not if it was supposed to be for "the German" (single person for seb128), I thought that was the intent? [12:44] ya [12:45] ah I get this now, thanks! [12:45] plural would be "die Deutschen" [12:45] Laney: sure [12:45] cool [12:45] Laney is only getting half of my joke :/ [12:45] * didrocks organizes a protest then [12:46] I got it man === alan_g|lunch is now known as alan_g [12:59] mitya57: yeah, those commits were added to workaround the submenu problem. if you check out the tree at https://github.com/lenky0401/fcitx-qimpanel/commit/05fd858ef84da971a98d4f68b25f4bd897676b43, it still doesn't work, so we can't revert those two commits [13:13] attente: OK, then I'll look at it when I return to normal internet (maybe on Friday or weekend) [13:13] Re-added to my TODO :( [13:13] Err, I meant :) [13:14] mitya57: ok, thanks :) === MacSlow|lunch is now known as MacSlow [13:24] desrt: this should work no: gsettings list-keys org.gnome.Terminal.Legacy.Profile:/org/gnome/terminal/legacy/profiles/b1dcc9dd-5262-4d8d-a863-c897e6d979b9/ [13:24] someone's asking in #ubuntu-devel [13:24] list-keys has no dependency on path [13:24] so i'm not sure why you'd give one [13:24] list-recursively, sorry [13:25] it shows me default values, no matter which path I pass [13:25] desrt: ^ [13:25] interesting. [13:25] that may be a bug. [13:25] ok. was thinking I might be doing something wrong [13:25] * larsu passes this info on [14:13] seb128: hey, this is a total throw a patch over the wall situation: http://paste.ubuntu.com/11672890/. I'm using it for dnla in rhythmbox and have no particular reason to choose 15000 (it is just high enough for me :) [14:13] seb128: fyi only in case you find it interesting [14:14] if you don't want to do anything with it, that's fine too [14:16] jdstrand, hey, I'm not familiar with that feature, how annoying is the "requiring the user to ask for more"? [14:17] jdstrand, could you maybe throw it on a bug in https://bugzilla.gnome.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=rhythmbox just in case upstream is interested? [14:18] seb128: how I experienced it was I opened a playlist. it download 1000. I could play and do whatever with those 1000 and wasn't blocked by ui. but there was a button at the bottom right that said I could download another 1000 [14:18] seb128: so, depending on the playlist, I might have to click it 5, 8, etc times [14:18] seb128: and you have to do that each time you open the playlist [14:18] Hi, I need to trace all the processes starting and exiting in my unity session from the moment Ligthdm creates the session. I get a series of weird crashes that I can-t reproduce with unity --debug and I can't identify which processes are crashing [14:20] sidi: ~/.cache/upstart & ~/.xsession-errors [14:20] should have everything [14:24] xnox, thanks. Does .cache/upstart contain all processes or only the ones that crashed? [14:25] sidi: it contains stdout/stderr of all upstart managed user processes. the rest of unmanaged things end up just in ~/.xsession-errors [14:25] Also is there anything I can do to find out which processes execve'd which ones, apart from injecting a lib that watches execve? My compiz is actually crashing on a dlopen() call so that wouldn't work well... [14:25] cause session leader is upstart, and that logs to ~/.xsession-errors as everything gets reparented to it on death. [14:26] sidi: you should look into proc_cn proc connector. That will tell you everything from the kernel =) [14:26] sidi: https://outflux.net/blog/archives/2010/07/01/reporting-all-execs/ [14:26] has a link to kees' source code, compiles with a makefile from his junk folder and runs amazing. [14:26] ah cool, thanks! [14:26] that will tell you _everything_ that execed by who and what and where. [14:27] Cool I'll make a run with that once done with .cache/upstart [14:27] sidi: mind need to tweak the mask of the events reported to get all details, cause it's a firehose that track threads et.al. [14:27] initctl status [14:27] initctl list [14:27] may help to narrow things down quickly, if managed. [14:27] seb128: ok, reported [14:28] one last thing, I haven't used ubuntu in a while... I see there's no compiz-dbg package, do I have a way to tell apt-get to give me a package with debugging symbols on, or should I build that myself? [14:28] sidi: google for debugsyms repository [14:28] xnox, I'm willing to spend time reading logs... I need to figure out what's going on anyway [14:29] Awesome, thanks xnox [14:29] jdstrand, thanks! [15:30] ahem. [15:30] *cough* [15:30] * didrocks taps on the mic [15:30] :D [15:31] hey [15:31] #startmeeting Desktop Weekly Meeting 2015-06-09 [15:31] Meeting started Tue Jun 9 15:31:10 2015 UTC. The chair is willcooke. 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[15:31] Available commands: action commands idea info link nick === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Home of the Desktop Team, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam | For help or questions, try #ubuntu | Breaking your systems: GTK 3.16 - file bugs with tag "gtk316" | Desktop Weekly Meeting 2015-06-09 | Current topic: [15:31] Roll call: attente, desrt, dgadomski, didrocks, fjkong, happyaron(out), laney, larsu, qengho, seb128, sweet5hark, tkamppeter, themuso (out), robert_ancell (out) [15:31] didrocks, let the tap alone, it's not beer time [15:31] o/ [15:31] * larsu thinks about having a beer [15:31] lol [15:31] o/ [15:31] * larsu doesn't have beer at home [15:31] * didrocks put the beer back in the fridge then [15:32] * FJKong feel sleepy [15:32] puts* [15:32] lol [15:32] #topic attente === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Home of the Desktop Team, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam | For help or questions, try #ubuntu | Breaking your systems: GTK 3.16 - file bugs with tag "gtk316" | Desktop Weekly Meeting 2015-06-09 | Current topic: attente [15:32] refreshed the gtk source package with some patches to fix the build, and merged the wip/mir-unstable branch into upstream gtk [15:32] spent some time debugging the fcitx-qimpanel qt5 indicator without luck, hoping mitya57 has more luck with it [15:32] finished the apparmor client api changes, writing regression tests [15:32] (eof) [15:33] thanks attente [15:33] FJKong: because of beer, or because it's almost midnight for you? [15:33] #topic desrt === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Home of the Desktop Team, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam | For help or questions, try #ubuntu | Breaking your systems: GTK 3.16 - file bugs with tag "gtk316" | Desktop Weekly Meeting 2015-06-09 | Current topic: desrt [15:33]