[05:04] i am not able to create a file using special character touch *.txt ..?? [05:05] and also same way "touch `.txt" but "touch ``.txt"--->its creating hidden file. [05:13] O/ [05:18] 1 more e then bed [05:18] ep [05:18] american oddyssey seems good [05:29] hey any one. [05:30] hi [05:31] touch file.txt doesnt work? [05:52] i can able to create a directory/file with * in empty directory.but if any files are there its not creating a file with * like "touch *" but its exit status is "0" when i type "echo $?" ..?? [05:53] any idea? [05:59] okey bye ))) [07:24] morning === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte [08:06] morning [08:06] morning bashrc_ [08:19] Morning all [08:19] Morning all [08:23] morning davmor2 davmor2 [08:23] morning davmor2 diplo [08:24] MooDoo: dude I know you missed me but you don't have to make up greeting honest ;) [08:24] heheheh, more MooDoo :) [08:24] oh my, typos here too, morning* [08:26] lol [08:29] morning boys and girls. [08:31] morning [08:32] morning MooDoo [08:34] mornin [08:35] uh, remind me to drink less [08:35] morning [08:36] Hmmmm, I've been at work for an hour and a half and no ones came to the office (including colleagues) and I haven't received an email since 8am... [08:36] strange [08:36] ujjain: On a Monday night ( school night! ) oh dear [08:36] ujjain: drink more....water [08:37] I had to 500ml, [08:37] I was in Mallorca yesterday, not working, traveling home [08:37] still free alcohol, I spent 220 pounds on a 4 day all-inclusive [08:37] but i regret the last drinks [08:39] everyone always regrets the last drinks [08:39] I've had 2 stag do's and 2 weddings in the last month, I regreat ALL the alcohol, but it HAD to be done :) [08:40] i had my half-pint of beer for the year last week [08:41] wasn't actually the best one i could have chosen either [08:41] diplo: I see what you did there, you mispronounce "but I had to be pickled" [08:48] I don't really drink that much normally, but I won't let the side down when called to action :D [08:49] Good morning all; happy Cars Day! 😃 [08:54] JamesTait: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rV1_7R_3cXA [08:55] Oh you git, davmor2! [08:55] JamesTait: you're welcome [08:56] JamesTait: I guess it earwormed you :) [08:57] davmor2, it's OK, I'm listening to Let It Go to get rid of it. 😉 [08:57] https://youtu.be/L0MK7qz13bU [09:00] diplo, what is a stag do? [09:00] a bachelor party in UK english? [09:00] yes [09:00] ah cool [09:01] 3 weeks ago I wanted to go early from the pub [09:01] I took a half pint [09:01] smart decision [09:01] but after that I took a full pint [09:01] crappy decision [09:01] crappy friday morning [09:03] :P [09:04] The first stag do started at 4pm Friday and finished at 6pm Sunday! Oh my I'm too old for that now :) [09:04] I was too old for stags when I went to my first one [09:04] I was probably born 40 [09:05] SuperMatt: don't you do dancing? [09:05] I do do dancing, yes [09:06] i am 40 [09:06] my stag was a beer and curry [09:07] my ideal stag is an evening of catching up with the lads playing pool etc [09:07] pretty much my idea too [09:07] when you are young you see all your mates all the time [09:08] as age and commitments grow you cherish social time together so you really just want to catch up with them rather than do things [09:15] Both these were stag dos for people 5~ years younger than me, they still enjoy drinking heavily [09:15] And not parents :) [09:16] i went on a stag to the tomatina festival [09:16] one of the best things i ever did [09:17] We did canoeing down the river wye, was actually good fun.. [09:18] new guy brought his clicky keyboard in his bag on his first day :) [09:19] nice [09:20] then installed arch [09:20] i thought arch was just a wiki [09:20] :p [09:20] hahaha [09:20] it's probably the best source of linux knowledge I have ever come across [09:20] I had a lithuanian stag last month [09:21] friday to sunday [09:21] was fun, we did paintball too [09:21] drunk lithuanians were scary as fuck, paintball hurts [09:21] did you do drunk paintball? [09:21] Yep [09:21] i went paintballing with south africans once, against a team of black people. that was scary [09:21] scotch paintball [09:22] one of the saffers said "hey, see any coloured, shoot em in the face!" [09:22] drunk paintball seems to me like the worst idea ever [09:22] oh I dunno :) [09:22] painkiller :) [09:22] well, they say russians are the scariest white people, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ofx7w_7dDEc - lithuanians seemed very soviet, the paintball building was very soviet [09:22] drunk paintball was fun, less painful [09:23] but you have to be careful with your vizer, don't take it off unless really completely completely outside of battle zone [09:23] I got 2 direct shots to my vizer [10:01] ooh http://store.bq.com/en/ubuntu-edition-e5 [10:10] Good morning peeps :) [10:13] morning bigcalm [10:13] howdy bigcalm [10:15] * awilkins is waiting for the Ubuntu Convergophone [10:18] when a nokia and an androidphone love each other very much... [10:49] Not sure I need to spend £147 on another phone I'm not using yet [10:58] It's enormous as well [10:59] Was all excited for a moment, thought that was the octo-behemoth going on sale [11:04] the smallest phone I own now is the zte open [11:04] biggest is the mx4 [11:06] popey: the mx4 is huge [11:15] are these ubuntu phones running native linux, then? i.e. not android/dalvik/art/java/bytecode/jit? does this make them faster? [11:15] correct, they are linux [11:15] with gnu userland stuff like bash [11:15] popey, so you can't install android apps, then [11:16] correct [11:16] there is no java / dalvik / classlibs installed [11:16] how much faster is it without the dalvik/art/java layer? [11:16] hard to say, it's comparing oranges and bananas [11:17] my understanding was that ART was pretty superoptimized now and didn't really have much performance hit [11:17] ART has the potential to be just as fast as native code [11:17] how much faster is an apple iphone without java? [11:17] (is the same question) [11:17] TBH - you can make an app suck, performance wise, on any platform [11:17] of course [11:18] But having a platform with fast runtime libraries helps [11:18] Given Ubuntu is only on one line of phones I imagine the drivers for the graphics acceleration are all in place [11:19] popey: is ubuntu phone using the android kernel or stock kernel? [11:20] we use a kernel based off the android one [11:20] because we need that for the drivers (gpu / radio etc) [11:20] sure [11:49] intrbiz: this has a diagram of roughly how it works https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/start/ubuntu-for-devices/porting-new-device/ === alan_g is now known as alan_g|lunch [12:23] awilkins: [RE: ART has the potential to be just as fast as native code]. why isn't it? [12:23] nucc1, Well, it is native code :-) [12:23] nucc1, Once it's compiled [12:23] subjectively, i'm on the verge of giving up on Android by now… largely because Android runs fine for the first week you buy it, and gets slower as it gets older [12:24] I was amazed how quickly sdl apps launch on the ubuntu phone, even the mid/low end one. they start near instantly [12:24] and i've used pretty much every kind of device [12:25] my last phone was a sony xperia z3 with 3GB of RAM as per the specs. It took forever to show the running apps list. [12:25] i like the design of sony phones [12:25] it was looking up the apps you were allowed to know it was running :-) [12:25] they feel comparable to apple devices in terms of 'premium' [12:25] girlfriend's iphone on the other hand, seemed to be able to predict what you wanted to do next and would show you the screen [12:25] my wife loves her iphone and macbook pro [12:25] popey: yes, Sony is the Apple of everything else, in my view. [12:26] yeah [12:26] she loves the sony telly too :) [12:26] same here [12:26] in Tellies, nothing else comes close to a Sony. [12:26] But Sony are teh evil!!``1!11!!!1¬¬¬ [12:26] :D [12:27] again, i've tried a lot. Samsung continues the typical UI madness, and leave out unbelievably trivial issues. My last Panasonic could play blurays fine at ~25Mbps bitrate, but couldn't play 1080p netflix streams [12:27] ps, the panasonic was a home theatre :d [12:28] I *need* a new telly, just can't afford it currently, mines a Dell :) [12:28] The sony TV it was paird to could play media over the network at pretty much any bitrate better than the panasonic theatre. [12:28] generally nowadays, i don't even bother buying anything other than a Sony [12:29] i'm interested in checking out the Ubuntu phone, but i haven't yet seen a device that tempts me spec-wise [12:29] i do love the sony telly too. emote control even has a netflix dedicated button :S [12:29] and it's hard to give up my chromecast [12:30] diplo: get a chromecast [12:32] nucc1: Only 1 hdmi slot [12:32] :/ [12:32] As I said, Old! [12:32] :P [12:32] Unless anyone knows if they work through a hdmi switcher? [12:33] diplo: maybe an AV-receiver then. The [ahem!] Sony STR-DN850 has 6 hdmi inputs [12:33] I always doubted it [12:33] I#ve been looking at some recently [12:33] * diplo looks at that model [12:33] cost £350 when i got mine, and works quite good. The remote-control is absolute simplicity. [12:34] it has one bug though, if your TV supports the HDMI-ARC/CEC spec: it needs to be turned on, off and then on again to be able to control it via the TV remote [12:34] Close to the price of a TV ( well one that I could afford ) But I want one anyway, looks nice though! Decisions decisions [12:35] if your TV's display quality is good enough, and the screen size is good enough, in my view, the AV receiver is a better purchase [12:35] With dhcpd, how do I specify a subnet per interface? My googling is not good [12:35] Only issue with the telly ( apart from its probably awful on power usage ) is that it has a slightly loose hdmi slot, but that would be negated by the amp [12:36] bigcalm: Noooooooooooo can't ask actual technical questions in here!!!!! [12:36] the amp will cost a fair bit though, especially if you also need to buy speakers. [12:36] Got some fairly decent speaks from before [12:37] It could be that I have installed the wrong dhcp server. What's the recommended one? [12:37] Or maybe not. Using isc-dhcp-server [12:38] OpenWRT uses dnsmasq [12:38] and odhcps [12:38] and odhcpd === alan_g|lunch is now known as alan_g [12:55] seems Disk Utility got all kinds of pretty :) [12:56] ooh? [12:56] oops, wrong one [12:56] ? [12:57] sorry, didn't mean that to come here. I have the same screen(1) opened on two machines, and keep forgetting they're the same thing [12:58] aah. so disk utility prettyness. pic or it didn't happen :-p [13:00] http://imgur.com/a/4XC2N it happened [13:01] (the pie chart widget is terrible though. looks good, doesn't act good) [13:04] can't really see the point of a disk utility being that pretty, since it's more or less a "use once and forget about it" tool [13:05] I think it's more an overhaul because the logical/physical volume stuff wasn't there before [13:06] sure, that's important, but it doesn't need to be quite so fluffy [13:06] since they're starting to use logical volumes (think lvm) for more and more things, they had to make an appearance [13:06] sure, but if you're reworking it anyway, there's no harm re-working it to 2015 standards rather than 2002 :) [13:08] I'd like to see a LUKS-on-LVM-with-dm-cache install config for [13:08] Ubiquity [13:09] See : http://askubuntu.com/questions/620480/how-to-install-ubuntu-with-both-disk-encryption-and-ssd-caching [13:34] My dhcp server isn't serving on eth2 or eth3 :( [13:55] bigcalm: rubbish [13:58] bigcalm: then you set it up wrong :P [14:00] davmor2: it's ok he's going to tell us it's service on eth0 or eth1 instead ;) [14:02] just for fun https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vrIqSlt9PXg [14:16] davmor2: love this one too :) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lL8JEEt2RxI [15:31] how do I see what I use in mysql? utf-8 etc... I want to check it on a table [15:37] found it [15:37] it was obviously SELECT TABLE_CATALOG, TABLE_SCHEMA, TABLE_NAME, COLUMN_NAME, COLLATION_NAME [15:37] FROM INFORMATION_SCHEMA.COLUMNS, who would forget [15:38] show create table only showed default charset [16:26] bigcalm: for dhcp you need to specify the interfaces to bind on, /etc/default/dhcpd probably [16:27] proliant ~ $ greproliant ~ $ grep -i interfaces= /etc/default/isc-dhcp-server [16:28] INTERFACES="eth2 eth3" [16:28] Gah [16:28] p -i interfaces= /etc/default/isc-dhcp-server [16:28] INTERFACES="eth2 eth3" [16:28] Why is my mouse registering double wheel clicks? [16:28] proliant ~ $ grep -i interfaces= /etc/default/isc-dhcp-server [16:28] INTERFACES="eth2 eth3" [16:28] bigcalm: you restarted after editing said file? [16:29] Yep [16:29] bigcalm: want commandline shows in ps aux? [16:29] Is there a way to check the config is correct? [16:29] dhcpd 31275 0.0 0.0 19636 6484 ? Ss 17:08 0:00 dhcpd -user dhcpd -group dhcpd -f -q -4 -pf /run/dhcp-server/dhcpd.pid -cf /etc/dhcp/dhcpd.conf eth2 eth3 [16:30] http://paste.ubuntu.com/11675413/ [16:30] That's dhcpd.conf [16:32] bigcalm: what does the following give? : netstat -nlup | grep dhcpd [16:32] http://paste.ubuntu.com/11675498/ [16:34] bigcalm: do you have a firewall running? [16:34] Not on the microserver, no [16:35] bigcalm: what is in the dhcpd logs? [16:35] I can't find them! [16:38] bigcalm: mixed into the general syslog? [16:39] Looks like it [16:40] Jun 9 17:39:47 proliant dhcpd: Wrote 2 leases to leases file. [16:40] Nothing else appearing in syslog [16:41] bigcalm: sounds promising, what is in /var/lib/dhcp/db/dhcpd.leases [16:41] Ooo [16:41] That's interesting [16:42] Jun 9 17:41:33 proliant dhcpd: DHCPREQUEST for 192.168.1.211 from e0:db:55:bf:e6:1a via eth2: wrong network. [16:42] Jun 9 17:41:47 proliant dhcpd: DHCPOFFER on 192.168.80.100 to e0:db:55:bf:e6:1a (iain-laptop) via eth2 [16:42] But the laptop is not accepting it [16:43] Know how to clear out the dhcp lease on the client side? [16:46] bigcalm: remove the client lease: /var/lib/dhcpcd/... or /var/lib/dhclient/... and restart networking maybe? is it NetworkManager/ [16:49] What the heck? [16:49] wlan0 has taken a lease of 192.168.90.103 [16:49] wlan0 should have used 192.168.1.0/24 [16:52] bigcalm: how is your laptop connected to eth2 / eth3 ? [16:53] intrbiz: via a dumb switch to eth2 on the microserver. Nothing else is plugged into the dumb switch [16:53] Finally! [16:53] I removed the leases and resorted to a reboot [16:53] Laptop now has .80.100 [16:53] cool [16:54] Wifi should be on .1.x though :( [16:54] somehow got wifi connected to eth2 / 3 [16:54] ? [16:54] eth1 is connected to the wifi router [16:55] Looks like the wifi router is looking for any local dhcp server [16:55] bigcalm: dhcp is broadcast, so the first server to respond on the ethernet domain wins [16:56] bigcalm: but if dhcpd is only listening on eth2+3 that shouldn't be the case [16:56] Indeed [16:57] I've plugged eth2 on the microserver and the laptop back into the managed switch to see if port grouping will work now [16:57] bigcalm: listening on '0.0.0.0:67' does suggest your dhcp server might be listening on all interfaces === alan_g is now known as alan_g|EOD [18:47] please ignore this (testing Android setup) [18:51] [whoopee, got the android app setup first time] [20:07] why umask is having default permissions for files is 666 for directories 777... [20:16] usually it wouldn't. they're not sensible defaults. [20:17] 644 for files and 755 for directories is more typical [20:17] shauno: did you work out that 10.11 permissions hassle? [20:17] yeah. still not happy with it, but there is a switch for it (an arguement to the kernel at boot) [20:17] ugh nasty [20:18] so they're properly locking down even root writing to / ? [20:18] pretty much [20:18] crazy [20:18] sandbox roles are a lot like SElinux roles. acl that go way past unix permissions [20:19] which used to translate to "you can lock it down pretty good if you want to". it now defaults to such a scenario. [20:21] apparently there is a proper switch for it in the recovery system, the same place you set firmware passwords and such. but that image current panics on boot for me [20:22] oh you can actually password lock boot via that recovery thing? [20:22] yeah. in the Utilities menu in recovery there's a tool to put a password in EFI [20:23] it doesn't prevent boot, it just prevents any boot-time options (booting from other disks, etc) [20:23] ah yeah [20:23] so, eg, you can't boot the recovery image itself without my efi password [20:23] that could be handy, though the client with macs is giving hers up soon [20:23] she doesn't like them XD [20:23] ah yeah [20:23] aaanyway. I was just exceptionally grumpy because the previous version (10.10) had a bug in the installer that freaked out if there was too many files in /usr/local [20:24] so I thought I'd be clever and move mine out the way before I upgraded, expecting a repeat. so this new "security" meant I couldn't put it back lol [20:24] does that path even normally exist on a mac? [20:24] yes [20:24] ah ok [20:24] /usr/local and /opt are the two whitelisted locations for this "rootless" stuff [20:26] i never did get directory structure :> [20:26] well, these are the same as any other OS :) [20:26] yeah i mean on Loonix in general [20:27] right, gotta reboot my host for patch tuesday :) [20:27] biab [20:27] and I gotta get out on me bike before it gets dark. adios. [20:28] enjoy! [20:56] you peeps :-)µ [21:09] you [21:10] mu [21:11] daftykins: "host"? [21:12] i IRC from a VM [21:12] hyper-v? [21:12] oh dear lord no, not that tosh [21:12] :> [21:12] o_O [21:13] just wondering how patch tuesday affects you unless your host is a windows pc [21:14] correct [21:15] amusingly i have a Linux VM atop my Windows file server [21:15] :D [21:15] what virtualiser do you use then? [21:15] however if it were the other way around, i'd have way more reboots for the constant ubuntu kernel updates [21:15] vmware ws [21:15] hmm [21:18] daftykins: you'll be wanting to update then: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/06/09/vmware_patches_dos_and_code_execution_flaws/ [21:21] thanks, it's about as far from mission critical as you can get though :D [22:28] they say smoking kills. I think it's the hills. hills kill. [22:33] hills kill smokers [22:34] ^ [22:35] with me cycling everywhere i avoid anything lungs related so i don't get the hassle from it [22:35] can be really nasty [22:35] i get those problems without the smoking tho [22:38] I could nap now. that was fun [22:44] diddledan: eh like coughing issues? [22:45] shauno: got a little road-bike? doing many miles? [22:45] nah, got a nice childish mountain bike [22:46] completely pointless for galway's lack of mountains, but all the 'proper' ones look silly [22:47] hey guys, this doesnt really relate to ubuntu but how can i remove a object from a picutre with the background disppearing [22:47] ah s'all good, all i have are mountain bikes [22:47] my higher end one needs the drivetrain replaced atm [22:48] https://www.dropbox.com/s/ixap3kddvynw452/IMG_20130614_025657.jpg?dl=0 [22:48] guy I work with got a nice expensive .. hybrid? cross .. something [22:48] it looks nifty, but I can't help thinking it's the kinda thing that'd end up in lycra. [22:48] i need to remove this white box from the overpicture with the numbers dispearing. https://www.dropbox.com/s/fc7f4nvx0wq2ehu/Capture.PNG?dl=0 [22:49] i meant without [22:49] can photoshop or gimz do it [22:50] shauno: ah the all the gear and no idea types are so big now [22:51] friend of my dads' son drops several grand into just wheel rims ¬_¬ [22:51] the kind of roadies that are so _word here_ that they avoid the cycle lanes and stay on the road to get their times :P [22:51] * daftykins shakes his head [22:51] I honestly don't know about that pic. you don't have much detail remaining behind the white box, and zero chance of recovering anything behind those black borders [22:52] the best I could think of would be to see how far you can push the contrast in that area before it starts looking stupid, and see what comes out of it [22:52] should program can i use [22:53] what* program should i use [22:53] paint? [22:54] there I'm less useful. everything I'm used to is on the mac, so kinda chocolate fireguard [22:54] just trying to suggest that being white on a white background, it's not the white that needs fixing. it's the text needs darkening [22:55] mate, you could be my hero if this works out!!!!!! [22:55] either way, you still have the issue that what's behind the black borders is basically up to your imagination. not even daz gonna fix those. [22:57] oh crap... didnt notice the numbers behind the black lines [22:59] .... so i download demo photoshop, get the dark text darker right [23:01] even gimp should do that. look for contrast, it's usually an icon that looks like a moon half black half white, yank it around and see what happens [23:01] no paint [23:02] it's been a good 20 years since I've used paint for anything more than pasting screenshots, so couldn't guess what it's capable of these days [23:03] shauno: nothing new methinks [23:03] thanks shauno, i be back. Sky is really slow, it taking over 2 hours to download a 82 MB!!!!! [23:04] well, I did notice it can save png now, that's a good start :) [23:04] and fits well with my "why doesn't windows save screenshots as files" workflow [23:07] I do think I need to buy some bike bits though :( [23:07] wish Java supported heredocs :( [23:07] one of my pedals keeps falling off .. the whole arm bit that hangs off the axle [23:07] inside that arm, and the bit that it's meant to go onto, are both chewed to hell [23:09] (is it called an axle if there's no wheel? just a crank-shaft of some sort? I assume these things have names ..) [23:12] crank merely means a bend in a shaft [23:13] wheels rotate on an axle [23:13] hm. that could be what the pedals live on though? I mean it's 5 different parts, but functionally it's a bent shaft [23:14] pedals are attached to a cranked shaft === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away