[05:04] <bujji> i am not able to create a file using special character touch *.txt ..??
[05:05] <bujji> and also same way "touch `.txt" but "touch ``.txt"--->its creating hidden file.
[05:13] <bujji> O/
[05:18] <mapps> 1 more e then bed
[05:18] <mapps> ep
[05:18] <mapps> american oddyssey seems good
[05:29] <bujji> hey any one.
[05:30] <mapps> hi
[05:31] <mapps> touch file.txt doesnt work?
[05:52] <bujji> i can able to create a directory/file with * in empty directory.but if any files are there its not creating a file with * like "touch *" but its exit status is "0" when i type "echo $?"  ..??
[05:53] <bujji> any idea?
[05:59] <bujji> okey bye )))
[07:24] <MooDoo> morning
[08:06] <bashrc_> morning
[08:06] <MooDoo> morning bashrc_
[08:19] <diplo> Morning all
[08:19] <davmor2> Morning all
[08:23] <MooDoo> morning davmor2 davmor2
[08:23] <MooDoo> morning davmor2 diplo
[08:24] <davmor2> MooDoo: dude I know you missed me but you don't have to make up greeting honest ;)
[08:24] <diplo> heheheh, more MooDoo :)
[08:24] <diplo> oh my, typos here too, morning*
[08:26] <MooDoo> lol
[08:29] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[08:31] <MooDoo> morning
[08:32] <brobostigon> morning MooDoo
[08:34] <TheGeek> mornin
[08:35] <ujjain> uh, remind me to drink less
[08:35] <ujjain> morning
[08:36] <TheGeek> Hmmmm, I've been at work for an hour and a half and no ones came to the office (including colleagues) and I haven't received an email since 8am...
[08:36] <TheGeek> strange
[08:36] <diplo> ujjain: On a Monday night ( school night! ) oh dear
[08:36] <davmor2> ujjain: drink more....water
[08:37] <ujjain> I had to 500ml,
[08:37] <ujjain> I was in Mallorca yesterday, not working, traveling home
[08:37] <ujjain> still free alcohol, I spent 220 pounds on a 4 day all-inclusive
[08:37] <ujjain> but i regret the last drinks
[08:39] <foobarry> everyone always regrets the last drinks
[08:39] <diplo> I've had 2 stag do's and 2 weddings in the last month, I regreat ALL the alcohol, but it HAD to be done :)
[08:40] <foobarry> i had my half-pint of beer for the year last week
[08:41] <foobarry> wasn't actually the best one i could have chosen either
[08:41] <davmor2> diplo: I see what you did there, you mispronounce "but I had to be pickled"
[08:48] <diplo> I don't really drink that much normally, but I won't let the side down when called to action :D
[08:49] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Cars Day! 😃
[08:54] <davmor2> JamesTait: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rV1_7R_3cXA
[08:55] <JamesTait> Oh you git, davmor2!
[08:55] <davmor2> JamesTait: you're welcome
[08:56] <davmor2> JamesTait: I guess it earwormed you :)
[08:57] <JamesTait> davmor2, it's OK, I'm listening to Let It Go to get rid of it. 😉
[08:57] <JamesTait> https://youtu.be/L0MK7qz13bU
[09:00] <ujjain> diplo, what is a stag do?
[09:00] <ujjain> a bachelor party in UK english?
[09:00] <foobarry> yes
[09:00] <ujjain> ah cool
[09:01] <ujjain> 3 weeks ago I wanted to go early from the pub
[09:01] <ujjain> I took a half pint
[09:01] <ujjain> smart decision
[09:01] <ujjain> but after that I took a full pint
[09:01] <ujjain> crappy decision
[09:01] <ujjain> crappy friday morning
[09:03] <diplo> :P
[09:04] <diplo> The first stag do started at 4pm Friday and finished at 6pm Sunday! Oh my I'm too old for that now :)
[09:04] <SuperMatt> I was too old for stags when I went to my first one
[09:04] <SuperMatt> I was probably born 40
[09:05] <foobarry> SuperMatt: don't you do dancing?
[09:05] <SuperMatt> I do do dancing, yes
[09:06] <foobarry> i am 40
[09:06] <foobarry> my stag was a beer and curry
[09:07] <foobarry> my ideal stag is an evening of catching up with the lads  playing pool etc
[09:07] <SuperMatt> pretty much my idea too
[09:07] <foobarry> when you are young you see all your mates all the time
[09:08] <foobarry> as age and commitments grow you cherish social time together so you really just want to catch up with them rather than do things
[09:15] <diplo> Both these were stag dos for people 5~ years younger than me, they still enjoy drinking heavily
[09:15] <diplo> And not parents :)
[09:16] <foobarry> i went on a stag to the tomatina festival
[09:16] <foobarry> one of the best things i ever did
[09:17] <diplo> We did canoeing down the river wye, was actually good fun..
[09:18] <foobarry> new guy brought his clicky keyboard in his bag on his first day :)
[09:19] <bashrc_> nice
[09:20] <foobarry> then installed arch
[09:20] <foobarry> i thought arch was just a wiki
[09:20] <diplo> :p
[09:20] <SuperMatt> hahaha
[09:20] <SuperMatt> it's probably the best source of linux knowledge I have ever come across
[09:20] <ujjain> I had a lithuanian stag last month
[09:21] <ujjain> friday to sunday
[09:21] <ujjain> was fun, we did paintball too
[09:21] <ujjain> drunk lithuanians were scary as fuck, paintball hurts
[09:21] <SuperMatt> did you do drunk paintball?
[09:21] <ujjain> Yep
[09:21] <popey> i went paintballing with south africans once, against a team of black people. that was scary
[09:21] <ujjain> scotch paintball
[09:22] <popey> one of the saffers said "hey, see any coloured, shoot em in the face!"
[09:22] <SuperMatt> drunk paintball seems to me like the worst idea ever
[09:22] <popey> oh I dunno :)
[09:22] <popey> painkiller :)
[09:22] <ujjain> well, they say russians are the scariest white people, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ofx7w_7dDEc - lithuanians seemed very soviet, the paintball building was very soviet
[09:22] <ujjain> drunk paintball was fun, less painful
[09:23] <ujjain> but you have to be careful with your vizer, don't take it off unless really completely completely outside of battle zone
[09:23] <ujjain> I got 2 direct shots to my vizer
[10:01] <popey> ooh http://store.bq.com/en/ubuntu-edition-e5
[10:10] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[10:13] <brobostigon> morning bigcalm
[10:13] <MooDoo> howdy bigcalm
[10:15]  * awilkins is waiting for the Ubuntu Convergophone
[10:18] <zmoylan-pi> when a nokia and an androidphone love each other very much...
[10:49] <bigcalm> Not sure I need to spend £147 on another phone I'm not using yet
[10:58] <TwistedLucidity> It's enormous as well
[10:59] <TwistedLucidity> Was all excited for a moment, thought that was the octo-behemoth going on sale
[11:04] <popey> the smallest phone I own now is the zte open
[11:04] <popey> biggest is the mx4
[11:06] <davmor2> popey: the mx4 is huge
[11:15] <ne2k> are these ubuntu phones running native linux, then? i.e. not android/dalvik/art/java/bytecode/jit? does this make them faster?
[11:15] <popey> correct, they are linux
[11:15] <popey> with gnu userland stuff like bash
[11:15] <ne2k> popey, so you can't install android apps, then
[11:16] <popey> correct
[11:16] <popey> there is no java / dalvik / classlibs installed
[11:16] <ne2k> how much faster is it without the dalvik/art/java layer?
[11:16] <popey> hard to say, it's comparing oranges and bananas
[11:17] <ne2k> my understanding was that ART was pretty superoptimized now and didn't really have much performance hit
[11:17] <awilkins> ART has the potential to be just as fast as native code
[11:17] <popey> how much faster is an apple iphone without java?
[11:17] <popey> (is the same question)
[11:17] <awilkins> TBH - you can make an app suck, performance wise, on any platform
[11:17] <ne2k> of course
[11:18] <awilkins> But having a platform with fast runtime libraries helps
[11:18] <awilkins> Given Ubuntu is only on one line of phones I imagine the drivers for the graphics acceleration are all in place
[11:19] <intrbiz> popey: is ubuntu phone using the android kernel or stock kernel?
[11:20] <popey> we use a kernel based off the android one
[11:20] <popey> because we need that for the drivers (gpu / radio etc)
[11:20] <intrbiz> sure
[11:49] <davmor2> intrbiz: this has a diagram of roughly how it works https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/start/ubuntu-for-devices/porting-new-device/
[12:23] <nucc1> awilkins: [RE: ART has the potential to be just as fast as native code]. why isn't it?
[12:23] <awilkins> nucc1, Well, it is native code :-)
[12:23] <awilkins> nucc1, Once it's compiled
[12:23] <nucc1> subjectively, i'm on the verge of giving up on Android by now… largely because Android runs fine for the first week you buy it, and gets slower as it gets older
[12:24] <popey> I was amazed how quickly sdl apps launch on the ubuntu phone, even the mid/low end one. they start near instantly
[12:24] <nucc1> and i've used pretty much every kind of device
[12:25] <nucc1> my last phone was a sony xperia z3 with 3GB of RAM as per the specs. It took forever to show the running apps list.
[12:25] <popey> i like the design of sony phones
[12:25] <zmoylan-pi> it was looking up the apps you were allowed to know it was running :-)
[12:25] <popey> they feel comparable to apple devices in terms of 'premium'
[12:25] <nucc1> girlfriend's iphone on the other hand, seemed to be able to predict what you wanted to do next and would show you the screen
[12:25] <popey> my wife loves her iphone and macbook pro
[12:25] <nucc1> popey: yes, Sony is the Apple of everything else, in my view.
[12:26] <popey> yeah
[12:26] <popey> she loves the sony telly too :)
[12:26] <nucc1> same here
[12:26] <nucc1> in Tellies, nothing else comes close to a Sony.
[12:26] <diplo> But Sony are teh evil!!``1!11!!!1¬¬¬
[12:26] <diplo> :D
[12:27] <nucc1> again, i've tried a lot. Samsung continues the typical UI madness, and leave out unbelievably trivial issues. My last Panasonic could play blurays fine at ~25Mbps bitrate, but couldn't play 1080p netflix streams
[12:27] <nucc1> ps, the panasonic was a home theatre :d
[12:28] <diplo> I *need* a new telly, just can't afford it currently, mines a Dell :)
[12:28] <nucc1> The sony TV it was paird to could play media over the network at pretty much any bitrate better than the panasonic theatre.
[12:28] <nucc1> generally nowadays, i don't even bother buying anything other than a Sony
[12:29] <nucc1> i'm interested in checking out the Ubuntu phone, but i haven't yet seen a device that tempts me spec-wise
[12:29] <popey> i do love the sony telly too. emote control even has a netflix dedicated button :S
[12:29] <nucc1> and it's hard to give up my chromecast
[12:30] <nucc1> diplo: get a chromecast
[12:32] <diplo> nucc1: Only 1 hdmi slot
[12:32] <diplo> :/
[12:32] <diplo> As I said, Old!
[12:32] <diplo> :P
[12:32] <diplo> Unless anyone knows if they work through a hdmi switcher?
[12:33] <nucc1> diplo: maybe an AV-receiver then. The [ahem!] Sony STR-DN850 has 6 hdmi inputs
[12:33] <diplo> I always doubted it
[12:33] <diplo> I#ve been looking at some recently
[12:33]  * diplo looks at that model
[12:33] <nucc1> cost £350 when i got mine, and works quite good. The remote-control is absolute simplicity.
[12:34] <nucc1> it has one bug though, if your TV supports the HDMI-ARC/CEC spec: it needs to be turned on, off and then on again to be able to control it via the TV remote
[12:34] <diplo> Close to the price of a TV ( well one that I could afford ) But I want one anyway, looks nice though! Decisions decisions
[12:35] <nucc1> if your TV's display quality is good enough, and the screen size is good enough, in my view, the AV receiver is a better purchase
[12:35] <bigcalm> With dhcpd, how do I specify a subnet per interface? My googling is not good
[12:35] <diplo> Only issue with the telly ( apart from its probably awful on power usage ) is that it has a slightly loose hdmi slot, but that would be negated by the amp
[12:36] <diplo> bigcalm: Noooooooooooo can't ask actual technical questions in here!!!!!
[12:36] <nucc1> the amp will cost a fair bit though, especially if you also need to buy speakers.
[12:36] <diplo> Got some fairly decent speaks from before
[12:37] <bigcalm> It could be that I have installed the wrong dhcp server. What's the recommended one?
[12:37] <bigcalm> Or maybe not. Using isc-dhcp-server
[12:38] <awilkins> OpenWRT uses dnsmasq
[12:38] <awilkins> and odhcps
[12:38] <awilkins> and odhcpd
[12:55] <shauno> seems Disk Utility got all kinds of pretty :)
[12:56] <diddledan> ooh?
[12:56] <shauno> oops, wrong one
[12:56] <diddledan> ?
[12:57] <shauno> sorry, didn't mean that to come here.  I have the same screen(1) opened on two machines, and keep forgetting they're the same thing
[12:58] <diddledan> aah. so disk utility prettyness. pic or it didn't happen :-p
[13:00] <shauno> http://imgur.com/a/4XC2N  it happened
[13:01] <shauno> (the pie chart widget is terrible though. looks good, doesn't act good)
[13:04] <SuperMatt> can't really see the point of a disk utility being that pretty, since it's more or less a "use once and forget about it" tool
[13:05] <shauno> I think it's more an overhaul because the logical/physical volume stuff wasn't there before
[13:06] <SuperMatt> sure, that's important, but it doesn't need to be quite so fluffy
[13:06] <shauno> since they're starting to use logical volumes (think lvm) for more and more things, they had to make an appearance
[13:06] <shauno> sure, but if you're reworking it anyway, there's no harm re-working it to 2015 standards rather than 2002 :)
[13:08] <awilkins> I'd like to see a LUKS-on-LVM-with-dm-cache install config for
[13:08] <awilkins> Ubiquity
[13:09] <awilkins> See : http://askubuntu.com/questions/620480/how-to-install-ubuntu-with-both-disk-encryption-and-ssd-caching
[13:34] <bigcalm> My dhcp server isn't serving on eth2 or eth3 :(
[13:55] <MooDoo> bigcalm: rubbish
[13:58] <davmor2> bigcalm: then you set it up wrong :P
[14:00] <MooDoo> davmor2: it's ok he's going to tell us it's service on eth0 or eth1 instead ;)
[14:02] <davmor2> just for fun https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vrIqSlt9PXg
[14:16] <MooDoo> davmor2: love this one too :) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lL8JEEt2RxI
[15:31] <ujjain> how do I see what I use in mysql? utf-8 etc... I want to check it on a table
[15:37] <ujjain> found it
[15:37] <ujjain> it was obviously  SELECT TABLE_CATALOG, TABLE_SCHEMA, TABLE_NAME, COLUMN_NAME, COLLATION_NAME
[15:37] <ujjain>     FROM INFORMATION_SCHEMA.COLUMNS, who would forget
[15:38] <ujjain> show create table only showed default charset
[16:26] <intrbiz> bigcalm: for dhcp you need to specify the interfaces to bind on, /etc/default/dhcpd probably
[16:27] <bigcalm> proliant ~ $ greproliant ~ $ grep -i interfaces= /etc/default/isc-dhcp-server
[16:28] <bigcalm> INTERFACES="eth2 eth3"
[16:28] <bigcalm> Gah
[16:28] <bigcalm> p -i interfaces= /etc/default/isc-dhcp-server
[16:28] <bigcalm> INTERFACES="eth2 eth3"
[16:28] <bigcalm> Why is my mouse registering double wheel clicks?
[16:28] <bigcalm> proliant ~ $ grep -i interfaces= /etc/default/isc-dhcp-server
[16:28] <bigcalm> INTERFACES="eth2 eth3"
[16:28] <intrbiz> bigcalm: you restarted after editing said file?
[16:29] <bigcalm> Yep
[16:29] <intrbiz> bigcalm: want commandline shows in ps aux?
[16:29] <bigcalm> Is there a way to check the config is correct?
[16:29] <bigcalm> dhcpd    31275  0.0  0.0  19636  6484 ?        Ss   17:08   0:00 dhcpd -user dhcpd -group dhcpd -f -q -4 -pf /run/dhcp-server/dhcpd.pid -cf /etc/dhcp/dhcpd.conf eth2 eth3
[16:30] <bigcalm> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11675413/
[16:30] <bigcalm> That's dhcpd.conf
[16:32] <intrbiz> bigcalm: what does the following give? : netstat -nlup | grep dhcpd
[16:32] <bigcalm> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11675498/
[16:34] <intrbiz> bigcalm: do you have a firewall running?
[16:34] <bigcalm> Not on the microserver, no
[16:35] <intrbiz> bigcalm: what is in the dhcpd logs?
[16:35] <bigcalm> I can't find them!
[16:38] <intrbiz> bigcalm: mixed into the general syslog?
[16:39] <bigcalm> Looks like it
[16:40] <bigcalm> Jun  9 17:39:47 proliant dhcpd: Wrote 2 leases to leases file.
[16:40] <bigcalm> Nothing else appearing in syslog
[16:41] <intrbiz> bigcalm: sounds promising, what is in /var/lib/dhcp/db/dhcpd.leases
[16:41] <bigcalm> Ooo
[16:41] <bigcalm> That's interesting
[16:42] <bigcalm> Jun  9 17:41:33 proliant dhcpd: DHCPREQUEST for 192.168.1.211 from e0:db:55:bf:e6:1a via eth2: wrong network.
[16:42] <bigcalm> Jun  9 17:41:47 proliant dhcpd: DHCPOFFER on 192.168.80.100 to e0:db:55:bf:e6:1a (iain-laptop) via eth2
[16:42] <bigcalm> But the laptop is not accepting it
[16:43] <bigcalm> Know how to clear out the dhcp lease on the client side?
[16:46] <intrbiz> bigcalm: remove the client lease: /var/lib/dhcpcd/... or /var/lib/dhclient/... and restart networking maybe? is it NetworkManager/
[16:49] <bigcalm> What the heck?
[16:49] <bigcalm> wlan0 has taken a lease of 192.168.90.103
[16:49] <bigcalm> wlan0 should have used 192.168.1.0/24
[16:52] <intrbiz> bigcalm: how is your laptop connected to eth2 / eth3 ?
[16:53] <bigcalm> intrbiz: via a dumb switch to eth2 on the microserver. Nothing else is plugged into the dumb switch
[16:53] <bigcalm> Finally!
[16:53] <bigcalm> I removed the leases and resorted to a reboot
[16:53] <bigcalm> Laptop now has .80.100
[16:53] <intrbiz> cool
[16:54] <bigcalm> Wifi should be on .1.x though :(
[16:54] <intrbiz> somehow got wifi connected to eth2 / 3
[16:54] <intrbiz> ?
[16:54] <bigcalm> eth1 is connected to the wifi router
[16:55] <bigcalm> Looks like the wifi router is looking for any local dhcp server
[16:55] <intrbiz> bigcalm: dhcp is broadcast, so the first server to respond on the ethernet domain wins
[16:56] <intrbiz> bigcalm: but if dhcpd is only listening on eth2+3 that shouldn't be the case
[16:56] <bigcalm> Indeed
[16:57] <bigcalm> I've plugged eth2 on the microserver and the laptop back into the managed switch to see if port grouping will work now
[16:57] <intrbiz> bigcalm: listening on '0.0.0.0:67' does suggest your dhcp server might be listening on all interfaces
[18:47] <SuprEngr_mobile> please ignore this (testing Android setup)
[18:51] <SuperEngineer> [whoopee, got the android app setup first time]
[20:07] <bujji> why umask is having default permissions for files is 666 for directories 777...
[20:16] <shauno> usually it wouldn't.  they're not sensible defaults.
[20:17] <shauno> 644 for files and 755 for directories is more typical
[20:17] <daftykins> shauno: did you work out that 10.11 permissions hassle?
[20:17] <shauno> yeah.  still not happy with it, but there is a switch for it (an arguement to the kernel at boot)
[20:17] <daftykins> ugh nasty
[20:18] <daftykins> so they're properly locking down even root writing to / ?
[20:18] <shauno> pretty much
[20:18] <daftykins> crazy
[20:18] <shauno> sandbox roles are a lot like SElinux roles.  acl that go way past unix permissions
[20:19] <shauno> which used to translate to "you can lock it down pretty good if you want to".  it now defaults to such a scenario.
[20:21] <shauno> apparently there is a proper switch for it in the recovery system, the same place you set firmware passwords and such.  but that image current panics on boot for me
[20:22] <daftykins> oh you can actually password lock boot via that recovery thing?
[20:22] <shauno> yeah.  in the Utilities menu in recovery there's a tool to put a password in EFI
[20:23] <shauno> it doesn't prevent boot, it just prevents any boot-time options (booting from other disks, etc)
[20:23] <daftykins> ah yeah
[20:23] <shauno> so, eg, you can't boot the recovery image itself without my efi password
[20:23] <daftykins> that could be handy, though the client with macs is giving hers up soon
[20:23] <daftykins> she doesn't like them XD
[20:23] <daftykins> ah yeah
[20:23] <shauno> aaanyway.  I was just exceptionally grumpy because the previous version (10.10) had a bug in the installer that freaked out if there was too many files in /usr/local
[20:24] <shauno> so I thought I'd be clever and move mine out the way before I upgraded, expecting a repeat.  so this new "security" meant I couldn't put it back  lol
[20:24] <daftykins> does that path even normally exist on a mac?
[20:24] <shauno> yes
[20:24] <daftykins> ah ok
[20:24] <shauno> /usr/local and /opt are the two whitelisted locations for this "rootless" stuff
[20:26] <daftykins> i never did get directory structure :>
[20:26] <shauno> well, these are the same as any other OS :)
[20:26] <daftykins> yeah i mean on Loonix in general
[20:27] <daftykins> right, gotta reboot my host for patch tuesday :)
[20:27] <daftykins> biab
[20:27] <shauno> and I gotta get out on me bike before it gets dark.  adios.
[20:28] <daftykins> enjoy!
[20:56] <knightwise> you peeps :-)µ
[21:09] <popey> you
[21:10] <daftykins> mu
[21:11] <diddledan> daftykins: "host"?
[21:12] <daftykins> i IRC from a VM
[21:12] <diddledan> hyper-v?
[21:12] <daftykins> oh dear lord no, not that tosh
[21:12] <daftykins> :>
[21:12] <diddledan> o_O
[21:13] <diddledan> just wondering how patch tuesday affects you unless your host is a windows pc
[21:14] <daftykins> correct
[21:15] <daftykins> amusingly i have a Linux VM atop my Windows file server
[21:15] <daftykins> :D
[21:15] <diddledan> what virtualiser do you use then?
[21:15] <daftykins> however if it were the other way around, i'd have way more reboots for the constant ubuntu kernel updates
[21:15] <daftykins> vmware ws
[21:15] <diddledan> hmm
[21:18] <intrbiz> daftykins: you'll be wanting to update then: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/06/09/vmware_patches_dos_and_code_execution_flaws/
[21:21] <daftykins> thanks, it's about as far from mission critical as you can get though :D
[22:28] <shauno> they say smoking kills.  I think it's the hills.  hills kill.
[22:33] <diddledan> hills kill smokers
[22:34] <daftykins> ^
[22:35] <daftykins> with me cycling everywhere i avoid anything lungs related so i don't get the hassle from it
[22:35] <daftykins> can be really nasty
[22:35] <diddledan> i get those problems without the smoking tho
[22:38] <shauno> I could nap now.  that was fun
[22:44] <daftykins> diddledan: eh like coughing issues?
[22:45] <daftykins> shauno: got a little road-bike? doing many miles?
[22:45] <shauno> nah, got a nice childish mountain bike
[22:46] <shauno> completely pointless for galway's lack of mountains, but all the 'proper' ones look silly
[22:47] <ineedhelp> hey guys, this doesnt really relate to ubuntu but how can i remove a object from a picutre with the background disppearing
[22:47] <daftykins> ah s'all good, all i have are mountain bikes
[22:47] <daftykins> my higher end one needs the drivetrain replaced atm
[22:48] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/s/ixap3kddvynw452/IMG_20130614_025657.jpg?dl=0
[22:48] <shauno> guy I work with got a nice expensive .. hybrid? cross .. something
[22:48] <shauno> it looks nifty, but I can't help thinking it's the kinda thing that'd end up in lycra.
[22:48] <ineedhelp> i need to remove this white box from the overpicture with the numbers dispearing. https://www.dropbox.com/s/fc7f4nvx0wq2ehu/Capture.PNG?dl=0
[22:49] <ineedhelp> i meant without
[22:49] <ineedhelp> can photoshop or gimz do it
[22:50] <daftykins> shauno: ah the all the gear and no idea types are so big now
[22:51] <daftykins> friend of my dads' son drops several grand into just wheel rims ¬_¬
[22:51] <daftykins> the kind of roadies that are so _word here_ that they avoid the cycle lanes and stay on the road to get their times :P
[22:51]  * daftykins shakes his head
[22:51] <shauno> I honestly don't know about that pic.  you don't have much detail remaining behind the white box, and zero chance of recovering anything behind those black borders
[22:52] <shauno> the best I could think of would be to see how far you can push the contrast in that area before it starts looking stupid, and see what comes out of it
[22:52] <ineedhelp> should program can i use
[22:53] <ineedhelp> what* program should i use
[22:53] <ineedhelp> paint?
[22:54] <shauno> there I'm less useful.  everything I'm used to is on the mac, so kinda chocolate fireguard
[22:54] <shauno> just trying to suggest that being white on a white background, it's not the white that needs fixing.  it's the text needs darkening
[22:55] <ineedhelp> mate, you could be my hero if this works out!!!!!!
[22:55] <shauno> either way, you still have the issue that what's behind the black borders is basically up to your imagination.  not even daz gonna fix those.
[22:57] <ineedhelp> oh crap... didnt notice the numbers behind the black lines
[22:59] <ineedhelp> .... so i download demo photoshop, get the dark text darker right
[23:01] <shauno> even gimp should do that.  look for contrast, it's usually an icon that looks like a moon half black half white, yank it around and see what happens
[23:01] <ineedhelp> no paint
[23:02] <shauno> it's been a good 20 years since I've used paint for anything more than pasting screenshots, so couldn't guess what it's capable of these days
[23:03] <diddledan> shauno: nothing new methinks
[23:03] <ineedhelp> thanks shauno, i be back. Sky is really slow, it taking over 2 hours to download a 82 MB!!!!!
[23:04] <shauno> well, I did notice it can save png now, that's a good start :)
[23:04] <shauno> and fits well with my "why doesn't windows save screenshots as files" workflow
[23:07] <shauno> I do think I need to buy some bike bits though :(
[23:07] <intrbiz> wish Java supported heredocs :(
[23:07] <shauno> one of my pedals keeps falling off .. the whole arm bit that hangs off the axle
[23:07] <shauno> inside that arm, and the bit that it's meant to go onto, are both chewed to hell
[23:09] <shauno> (is it called an axle if there's no wheel? just a crank-shaft of some sort? I assume these things have names ..)
[23:12] <intrbiz> crank merely means a bend in a shaft
[23:13] <intrbiz> wheels rotate on an axle
[23:13] <shauno> hm.  that could be what the pedals live on though? I mean it's 5 different parts, but functionally it's a bent shaft
[23:14] <intrbiz> pedals are attached to a cranked shaft