[05:17] <barrydk> Morning everyone
[05:20] <Jacques_Stry> Morning
[06:08] <mazal> Morning everyone
[06:31] <ThatGraemeGuy> mornings
[06:37] <mazal> Morning ThatGraemeGuy
[06:37] <magespawn> good morning
[06:41] <mazal> morning magespawn
[06:42] <magespawn> hey mazal, is the oom on load shedding?
[06:42] <mazal> Porbably
[06:42] <mazal> I dunno
[06:42] <ThatGraemeGuy> no load shedding at the moment
[06:42] <mazal> These days they only load shed from 4pm when everyone is at home to annoy them then
[06:43] <magespawn> maybe something specific to him then
[06:44] <magespawn> might be they are working on making the connection faster
[06:46] <inetpro> good mornings
[06:46] <Maaz> inetpro: By the way, Cryterion on freenode told me "tell inetpro need help with gnupg2 upgrade." 9 hours, 35 minutes and 18 seconds ago
[06:46] <inetpro> ai!
[06:50]  * Jacques_Stry waves
[06:52] <mazal> Morning inetpro , Jacques_Stry
[07:36] <Kilos> morning all
[07:47] <mazal> more oom
[07:47] <mazal> Eskom of Telkom ?
[07:48] <Kilos> ekke
[07:48] <mazal> Iets gebreek ?
[07:48] <Kilos> wou nog 10 minute warm kry, toe word dit n paar uur
[07:48] <mazal> lol
[07:48] <Kilos> hehe
[07:49] <Jacques_Stry> More oom Kilos :)
[07:49] <Kilos> more Jacques_Stry  welkom terug
[07:49] <Jacques_Stry> Dankie
[07:50] <Jacques_Stry> Skuus was so lank weg
[07:50] <Kilos> was jy weer op vakansie
[07:50] <Jacques_Stry> Nee, net rof aan die gang
[07:50] <Jacques_Stry> Was amper nooit op kantoor
[07:51] <Kilos> ai! lank weg is nie ernsrig nie, nie terug kom nie is baie ernstig
[07:51] <Kilos> sjoe
[07:52] <magespawn> hi Kilos
[07:52] <Kilos> hi magespawn  
[07:52] <magespawn> things must be cold up there now
[07:52] <Kilos> eina
[07:52] <Kilos> ice in outside water still nou
[07:52] <Kilos> now
[07:56] <Jacques_Stry> >.<
[07:56] <Kilos> and mtn adverts dont sing come on summer come on
[07:57] <Kilos> hi ThatGraemeGuy  inetpro  TinuvaMac  nlsthzn  aquarat  alphad  barrydk  
[07:57] <Kilos> sjoe
[07:58] <Kilos> when im early i cant greet as peeps arrive
[07:58] <Kilos> can
[08:04] <ThatGraemeGuy> hallo oom
[08:04] <Kilos> you too
[08:04] <Kilos> sjoe
[08:09] <Kilos> hi Cryterion  
[08:10] <Cryterion> Morning
[08:13] <mazal> Morning Cryterion
[08:16] <pieter2627> hi all
[08:16] <Kilos> hi pieter2627  
[08:17] <pieter2627> hou gaan dit oom?
[08:17] <mazal> Hi pieter2627
[08:17] <Kilos> anders as koud goed dankie en jy?
[08:19] <pieter2627> anders as bietjie warm :p, baie goed dankie
[08:19] <Kilos> lol
[08:36]  * Cryterion lights a fire and burns himself
[08:36] <Kilos> ai!
[08:53] <Kilos> morning superfly  
[09:01] <Kilos> hi drussell  
[09:01] <superfly> ohi
[09:06] <mazal> Morning superfly
[09:16] <superfly> hi mazal
[10:02] <solidity> môre/middag almal
[10:02] <Jacques_Stry> o/
[10:03] <Kilos> hi solidity  
[10:06] <Kilos> wb magespaw2  
[10:06] <drussell> Kilos: hey! Happy Tuesday!
[10:06] <Kilos> lol
[10:09] <magespawn> hey Kilos
[10:09] <magespawn> did you see my last question to you?
[10:10] <Kilos> no magespawn  sorry
[10:10] <Kilos> when?
[10:11] <Kilos> oh about the cold
[10:11] <Kilos> yes i answered that one
[10:12] <magespawn> Kilos was it you who gave me instructions on how to solder?
[10:12] <Kilos> oh yes
[10:12] <Kilos> you forgot?
[10:13] <Kilos> how to solder i mean magespawn  
[10:13] <magespawn> no progressing well thanks
[10:13] <Kilos> good
[10:15] <magespawn> thanks for the help
[10:15] <Kilos> you welcome magespawn  
[10:16] <magespawn> i bought myself a gas powered soldering to replace the old one i had inherited
[10:16] <Kilos> its all about getting everything to the right temp then the solder flows
[10:37] <magespawn> so i see
[10:42] <MaNI> and having steady hands :/
[10:42] <Kilos> lol ya that too
[10:43] <SDCDev> hey Kilos
[10:43] <Kilos> and good eyes
[10:43] <Kilos> hi SDCDev  howsit
[10:43] <MaNI> used to be much better at it as a kid, big hands suck :p
[10:43] <SDCDev> good thanks and you?
[10:43] <Kilos> good ty
[10:43] <Kilos> i used to be much better as a grown up
[10:43] <Kilos> not a ballie
[10:44] <MaNI> hehe
[10:44] <magespawn> i want to get one of those maginifying glasses with the clips
[10:44] <Kilos> soldered millions of tag blocks in post office exchange buildings
[10:45] <Kilos> maybe not millions but felt like it at the time
[10:47] <MaNI> my dad used to use me as child labour for all his circuits, now I know why doing it as an adult is tough :p
[10:47] <Kilos> hahaha
[10:48] <Kilos> magespawn  the soldering stations you get are the best for fine work
[10:48] <Kilos> just expensive
[10:49] <Kilos> my wellerhas blown its element after like 30 years and they about R800 now
[10:51] <magespawn> that is not bad usage though
[10:52] <Kilos> no very good machines but they must have cheaper ones now
[10:53] <magespawn> sometimes it is better to go expensive
[10:53] <Kilos> http://www.amazon.com/Velleman-VTSS5U-Low-Cost-Soldering-150-480°C/dp/B000I40HFQ
[10:55] <Kilos> compared to http://www.testequipmentdepot.com/weller/pricelist.htm#Soldering_Stations_
[10:55] <Kilos> i go catch some UV's
[10:56] <MaNI> I should get myself something more modern
[10:59] <MaNI> still using my dads old weller, thing must have antique value by now
[11:04] <Kilos> wonderful soldering irons those
[11:05] <ThatGraemeGuy> o_O
[11:05] <ThatGraemeGuy> yes get yourself something more modern, i'll take the pesky weller off your hands
[11:05] <Kilos> rofl
[11:05] <Kilos> i thought of saying that
[11:06] <Kilos> but when peeps start talking about antique value i shy away
[11:06] <ThatGraemeGuy> eish
[11:06] <ThatGraemeGuy> kids these days
[11:06] <Kilos> saw a cb 500 4 for 100k
[11:06] <ThatGraemeGuy> haha
[11:07] <Kilos> they were one k brand new back then
[11:07] <ThatGraemeGuy> phew
[11:07] <ThatGraemeGuy> I stay away from bikes
[11:08] <Kilos> peeps are mad
[11:08] <ThatGraemeGuy> i will end up upside down if i know myself
[11:08] <Kilos> lol
[11:08] <Kilos> i lived on bikes from 14 years old
[11:08] <Kilos> built my first one with a lawnmower engine
[11:09] <Kilos> used to zoom around the fowl runs and the rest of the yard
[11:09] <Kilos> my dad tried it and went through the fowl run
[11:09] <Jacques_Stry> lol
[11:10] <Kilos> then i was the baddy for not putting brakes on
[11:11] <Kilos> only had 2 speeds, full and stop
[11:11] <ThatGraemeGuy> sounds like my son
[11:12] <Kilos> haha
[11:12] <Kilos> i go eat
[11:44] <Kilos> ThatGraemeGuy  encourage your son, just teach him the right way
[11:46] <smile> Kilos: hi ;)
[11:47] <Kilos> hi smile  how are you lad?
[11:47] <smile> good ;)
[11:55] <Kilos> hi SubOracle  you must say something now and again
[11:56] <Kilos> hi FeyBart  welcome to ubuntu-za
[11:56] <Kilos> first time here?
[11:56] <Kilos> somewhere i remember a bart
[11:56] <Kilos> maybe simpson
[12:21] <MaNI> http://jumi.lut.fi/elko/kuvat/weller.jpg <- like that
[12:23] <Kilos> yip thats them
[12:23] <Kilos> you get different size tips you can use too
[12:24] <MaNI> yeah, I don't know what happened to the tips though can't find them, must raid my moms garage again next time I'm up in jhb they must be somewhere
[12:24] <Kilos> lol best irons every made imo
[12:24] <MaNI> got a little red weller with no base as well
[12:24] <Kilos> perfect for pc board work
[12:25] <MaNI> and the gun somewhere
[12:25] <MaNI> but I've never really needed the gun
[12:26] <Kilos> i dont know the gun, what is that
[12:26] <Kilos> and the red one with no base?
[12:26] <Kilos> you mean its the pencil thing without base
[12:26] <MaNI> http://www.stevenjohnson.com/soldering/pics/weller-8200n.jpg
[12:27] <Kilos> oh ya thats for heavier jobs
[12:28] <MaNI> if only all things lasted as well as these
[12:28] <Kilos> if you want to sell the station how much would you want for it?
[12:29] <Kilos> i rplaced my base with a cheaper one when it was about 5 years old but the element in the pencil only gave up last year
[12:30] <Kilos> i still have 3 different size tips as well
[12:30] <Xethron> Greetings everyone!
[12:31] <Kilos> hi Xethron  
[12:31] <MaNI> heh don't know if I would actually sell it lots of sentimental value :p and it is good enough for the rare amount of soldering I do
[12:31] <Kilos> yeah it should last your lifetime if used only now and again
[12:31] <MaNI> want to get back into messing with electronics a bit more if I ever  manage to free up some time
[12:32] <Kilos> today you can buy everything ready made
[12:33] <Kilos> all mass produced and soldered the whole board at once
[12:33] <MaNI> yeah, no fun :p
[12:33] <Kilos> lol
[12:34] <MaNI> and everything so small/compact its difficult to even replace a small blown component without doing more damage
[12:34] <Kilos> yip
[12:34] <MaNI> that solder they use is a pain to get off as well
[12:35] <Kilos> yeah they put some protective coating on it
[12:35] <Kilos> battle to get it to melt
[12:35] <Kilos> i scrape it off then soldering is easier
[12:36] <Kilos> but hard with these many pin chips
[12:36] <Kilos> pc board design and manufacture has advanced plenty
[12:36] <MaNI> its crazy how far we have advanced
[12:37] <mazal> Bye everyone , enjoy your evening , God bless
[12:37] <Kilos> cheers mazal  
[12:37] <Kilos> be good
[12:37] <mazal> Will try ;)
[12:38] <MaNI> I remember when eeproms were an amazing new thing
[12:38] <Kilos> lol
[12:38] <MaNI> my dad got some through the uni, it was like state of the art shit
[12:38] <Kilos> so you arent a youngster
[12:39] <MaNI> now you have people buyying raspberry pi's just in case they have a use for them, heh
[12:39] <Kilos> rofl
[12:40] <Xethron> lol
[12:40] <Xethron> I was thinking of doing that
[12:40] <Xethron> I actually have a mini project I want to start on a pi or arduino
[12:40] <Xethron> Just for fun of course :P
[12:41] <magespawn> i thought that was what they where made for
[12:41] <Kilos> lol
[12:41] <Xethron> But create a control console for our gate, that monitors battery level, allows opening the gate via internet, email reports on problems (like gate not closing), etc :D
[12:41] <MaNI> hehe, not saying its a bad thing it's great, just such a leap forward in only a decade or two :p
[12:42] <Xethron> My only problem is communicating with the remotes... Need a way to grab that signal...
[12:45] <Kilos> ask nuvolari  he had one working with a camera on his helicopter
[12:45] <MaNI> have the remotes connect to the internet via 3g :p 
[12:45] <Xethron> lol
[12:45] <Xethron> "Can someone open the gate for me, my remote is out of airtime..."
[12:46] <MaNI> haha
[12:46] <Kilos> lol
[12:46] <Xethron> Biggest problem with all this new stuff, is we don't have enough people to program them.
[12:46] <Xethron> Everyone's looking for developers and no one seems to be finding the right guys...
[12:48] <MaNI> I just don't like the throw away mentality thats come with it, used to be if your fridge broke the repair guy would just quickly replace a capacitor on it or whatever, that culture is gone now the repair guy is some drone who just orders you a whole new controller board from taiwan and you sit and wait for two weeks because of no stock
[12:51] <Tinuva> dejavu
[12:54] <magespawn> MaNI: with the 3d printing revolution we be able to turn that around
[12:55] <magespawn> somebodies printer broke, and i said let me see if we can fix it, they were a bit surprised at that
[12:55] <Kilos> lol
[12:55] <Kilos> peeps dont fix things anymore
[13:01] <MaNI> heh, 3d printing we will see, some of the experimental 3d circuitry printing stuff looks nifty :p
[13:06] <Kilos> ai!
[13:07] <Kilos> modem decided to disconnect
[13:08] <Kilos> so superfly  members are yourself and maia in capetown and me in ptown right?
[13:09] <superfly> Is Maia an Ubuntu member?
[13:09] <Kilos> others are state side
[13:09] <Kilos> yes she is still out frist contact person i think
[13:10] <Kilos> oh my
[13:10] <Kilos> yes man she has an ubuntu.com addy
[13:10] <Kilos> and drubin methinks
[13:10] <Kilos> they both in the cape
[13:11] <superfly> Yes, drubin is an Ubuntu member
[13:12] <superfly> Kilos: hmm, you could be right. maiatoday has quite the wiki page
[13:13] <superfly> Eish, I even wrote a testimonial
[13:13] <superfly> told you... my memory is going
[13:14] <Kilos> oh no man you gotta remember for me too
[13:19] <magespawn> it happens when you have so much on your mind
[13:20] <Kilos> lol
[13:21] <Kilos> ya fly spread a bit thin
[14:07] <magespawn> home time chat later
[14:13] <Kilos> wb Wraz  
[14:32] <superfly> good night!
[14:32] <Kilos> uh oh . power gone superfly  ?
[14:45] <Private_User> no, he is even older than you Kilos, its his bed time now... LOL
[14:46] <Private_User> hahahaha
[14:46] <Kilos> hahaha
[14:46] <Private_User> but thanks for reminding me let me check if there is any Load Shedding taking place
[14:48] <Private_User> yep where I am as at 17:00 Stage 1 Load Shedding Active
[14:48] <Kilos> ai!
[14:48] <solidity> I propose a new word: Eskompetent. It's synonymous with incompetent.
[14:49] <Kilos> i can never find the correct schedule for here
[14:49] <Kilos> lol good one solidity  
[14:52] <Private_User> Thankfully for us Stage 1 would have only affected us from 14:00 to 16:00 but since it only starts at 17:00 I guess we missed it unless they change it to Stage 3/4 then unfortunately we will be affected from 22:00 (touch wood it does not go to that stage.. hehe)
[14:53] <Kilos> sigh
[14:53] <Private_User> hmm...
[14:54] <Private_User> I just checked Eskoms site and they not Load Shedding so why is the municipality load shedding
[14:54] <Kilos> they do their own thing
[14:55] <Private_User> lol
[14:55] <Kilos> without reason or logic
[14:55] <Private_User> hahaha
[14:55] <Kilos> i went off 3 times yesterday
[14:56] <Private_User> where do you get your power from Eskom or Municipality?
[14:56] <Kilos> pta peeps
[14:57] <Kilos> the give the local area watch peeps their schedule but nothing fits anywhere
[14:58] <Private_User> well according to the City of Tshwane no load shedding taking place
[14:58] <Private_User> well on their website that is
[14:58] <Kilos> yay
[14:58] <Kilos> ya but that means nothing either
[14:58] <Private_User> lol
[14:58] <Private_User> you probably right
[14:59] <Private_User> they may just decide eish too much stress on the power ok switch em off
[14:59] <solidity> man, we sure are lucky, we are in stage 1 here but for the past two weeks it has always missed us when it is on
[14:59] <Kilos> i think they draw straws to see who cuts what off
[14:59] <Private_User> lol
[14:59] <Kilos> solidity  smile
[14:59] <Private_User> which area you at solidity?
[15:00] <solidity> Cape Town Northern Suburbs
[15:00] <Kilos> my home town
[15:00] <Kilos> oh my
[15:00] <smile> Kilos: :o
[15:00] <smile> :OO
[15:00] <smile> o.O
[15:00] <Kilos> now i got you mixed with someone else
[15:01] <Kilos> hi smile  
[15:01] <Kilos> :D
[15:01] <smile> hi :DD
[15:01] <Private_User> ok cool we get our power from Ethekwini Municipality
[15:01] <Kilos> wow and you so far away Private_User  
[15:01] <Kilos> they spread their wings far hey
[15:03] <Private_User> lol not that far Kilos its about 20 to 30min drive Durban CBD from where I live
[15:04] <Kilos> thats far man , to rule the roost
[15:05] <Private_User> lol if I drive the opposite direction for about 10mins max,  I am in Balito and they fall under a different district
[15:06] <Private_User> maybe not even 10mins and I would be in a different municipality
[15:08] <Private_User> but I remember when I lived in JHB years back I lived in house where if I walked up the road and crossed the robots I would have been in Rooderpoort but I was not living in Roodeport
[15:08] <Private_User> hehe
[15:09] <Private_User> makes you wonder who decides how far a boundary goes before some place is called another place
[15:11] <Kilos> ya but if you could backtrack 30 years on google maps you will see there were large open veldt areas there
[15:11] <Kilos> now they have all merged
[15:11] <Kilos> the country grew too fast
[15:17] <georgelappies> hi all
[15:17] <Kilos> hi georgelappies  
[15:17] <georgelappies> hi Kilos, how are you doing
[15:17] <Kilos> cold but good ty , and you?
[15:17] <Private_User> lol yeah but I think its becoming too much of a concrete jungle and getting a bit cluster phobic for me (or maybe I am just too used to space and living on the farm) I drove once in an area where I used to work and drove that route every day and at that time yes open veld but now complexes and more complexes and a few shopping centre and more complexes, I ended up taking the "scenic" route
[15:18] <Kilos> haha
[15:18] <Private_User> hi georgelappies
[15:21] <georgelappies> good thanks
[15:21] <georgelappies> hi Private_User 
[15:24] <Kilos> nlsthzn  ping
[15:25] <Kilos> oh Private_User  you see MaNI  found a home here
[15:30] <Private_User> Kilos: yes I did and he is also still supporting ##ubuntu-za-social as well, thank MaNI, but that channel is looking so sad even georgl is no longer part of it but you know what's the worst part Kilos, is that the person who created the channel has also abandoned it (so very sad :( )... LOL
[15:31] <Kilos> aw sorry man, but when i get busy here and peeps are shouting in other channels i get mixed up and answer in wrong places
[15:31] <Kilos> but we could still use it when other places are quiet
[15:31] <Kilos> it wont go away
[15:32] <Private_User> yeah no worries Kilos, it would be lekker though if people would start using it
[16:08] <MaNI> heh
[16:13] <MaNI> just ban all off topic chat here, then it will have an influx :p
[16:36] <inetpro> good evening
[16:39] <rusbus> o/
[17:01] <Kilos> hi inetpro  
[17:01] <Kilos> hi dlPhreak  welcome to ubuntu-za
[17:03] <dlPhreak> Hello Kilos and thank you very much :)
[17:25] <Kilos> hmm...
[17:27] <magespawn> good evening
[17:27] <Kilos> hi magespawn  
[17:45] <inetpro> so let's see whether Eskom and City of Tshwane can keep the lights on today
[17:45] <Kilos> lol
[17:45] <Kilos> i enjoyed the new word
[17:45] <Kilos> eskompetent
[17:46] <Kilos> incompetent x 10
[17:46] <inetpro> looks like it's my turn every Tuesday evening at 8:00 now
[17:46] <magespawn> hah
[17:46] <Kilos> eish
[17:46] <Kilos> you off now?
[17:46] <magespawn> just had mine from 17:00
[17:46] <Kilos> eskom said no shedding today
[17:47] <Kilos> oh wow
[17:47]  * inetpro not looking forward to our next meeting any more
[17:47] <inetpro> so damn disruptive it's not funny
[17:47] <Kilos> yip
[17:47] <Kilos> total suckville
[17:49] <inetpro> really need a different plan to keep running the laptop, interwebs and a light or two
[17:49] <Kilos> power ball
[17:49] <inetpro> wish it was just a little cheaper
[17:49] <Kilos> tesla
[17:49] <inetpro> ai!
[17:50] <Kilos> what is the za cost
[17:50] <Kilos> i see we have alternatives but they big thousands too
[17:50] <inetpro> Kilos: what are you talking about?
[17:50] <Kilos> wait
[17:50] <Kilos> Maaz  google tesla power ball
[17:50] <Maaz> Kilos: "Powerwall | Tesla Home Battery - Tesla Motors" http://www.teslamotors.com/powerwall :: "Tesla's Powerwall Is the Latest Step Toward Our Clean-Energy ..." http://singularityhub.com/2015/05/01/teslas-powerwall-is-the-latest-step-toward-our-clean-energy-future/ :: "Tesla: Lets use the sun to power everything with Powerball - IT ..."
[17:50] <Maaz> http://www.itcentralpoint.com/tesla-lets-use-the-sun-to-power-everything-with-powerball :: "Tesla Powerwall: A Batte…
[17:50] <Kilos> inetpro  ^^
[17:50] <Kilos> hehe
[17:51] <Kilos> Maaz  ty
[17:51] <Maaz> You are welcome Kilos
[17:51] <inetpro> you seriously think I can affors a +R30K solution?
[17:51] <Kilos> nope
[17:51] <inetpro> afford*
[17:51] <Kilos> who can
[17:51] <inetpro> and it's not a power ball, it's a power wall
[17:51] <Kilos> all alternatives are expensive
[17:52] <Kilos> oh that then
[17:52] <inetpro> or did I miss something
[17:52] <Kilos> the links were good
[17:52] <Kilos> even solar and batteries
[17:53] <Kilos> batteries are about 1k a pop
[17:53] <MaNI> heres what I'm doing
[17:53] <MaNI> Batteries - ~R1500
[17:53] <inetpro> all those are wayyyyyy too expensive for an ordinary familyman like me
[17:53] <MaNI> 400W DC power supply for computer - R1000
[17:53]  * inetpro will rather take a cold shower
[17:54] <Kilos> yip inetpro  grin and bare it is the only way out for a working family man
[17:54] <MaNI> 4x solar panels - ~R5000
[17:54] <MaNI> you can swap the solar panels for an AC charge controller for much less
[17:54] <MaNI> then I will buy a nice USB powered led lamp
[17:54] <MaNI> all networking equipment will be USD powered
[17:55] <MaNI> 14v samsung LED monitor runs on DC so will draw directly from battery as well
[17:55] <Kilos> oh wow MaNI  that a great idea
[17:55] <MaNI> no expensive inverter
[17:55] <Kilos> i have those round tail lights trucks use
[17:55] <inetpro> MaNI: even R1000 is too much for me man
[17:55] <Kilos> cant remember if they are led but
[17:56] <Kilos> MaNI  only single young peeps can go that route
[17:56] <MaNI> just have to persuade capemail/customs to give me my DC power supply, they seem to have taken a liking to it
[17:56] <inetpro> ai!
[17:56] <Kilos> build one man
[17:57] <magespawn> MaNI: where did you get the DC power supply from?
[17:57] <MaNI> anyway thats enough to keep my ability to work or watch movies going, geyser/fridge etc. can turn off for 2 hours fine
[17:57] <MaNI> magespawn, http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Free-Shipping-X7-ATX-400-400W-High-Power-24PIN-DC-ATX-Power-Supply/747813627.html
[17:57] <MaNI> couldn't find anywhere local for that sort of wattage
[17:57] <MaNI> for people who don't need such wattage cheaper is available
[17:59] <Kilos> eish thats not cheap either
[17:59] <MaNI> Kilos, I hear that some AC power supplys can be converted if you cut the AC circuitry out, but I wasn't feeling brave enough
[17:59] <Kilos> 12v input?
[17:59] <MaNI> yeah its not cheap, though if you happened to be buyying a new PSU anyway it wouldn't be that bad
[18:00] <Kilos> i cant find its specs
[18:00] <MaNI> 14
[18:00] <Kilos> where you get the 14v from
[18:00] <MaNI> but it can work anything from 12 to 18 apparently
[18:00] <MaNI> I'll do some testing when it gets here
[18:01] <Kilos> what power drives it?
[18:01] <Kilos> battery
[18:01] <MaNI> battery yeah
[18:02] <MaNI> I'm hoping I can drive it from 12v - but I've not purchased new batteries yet, if I can't I'll have to spec my batteries to be higher voltage
[18:03] <MaNI> if 12 works I'll use my existing UPS battery for starters while I decide what panels etc. to go for
[18:03] <Kilos> will it take 24v input
[18:05] <Kilos> inetpro  cant you lappy last for a meeting?
[18:05] <MaNI> claims 12-20 is ideal IIRC, 24 probably slightly high :/
[18:05] <Kilos> or what else users power in your setup
[18:05] <MaNI> *14-20
[18:06] <Kilos> you dont get batteries in that range
[18:06] <MaNI> can maybe step 24 down if need be
[18:06] <Kilos> or didnt
[18:07] <MaNI> can build a 16v from 2v cells though it might cost a bit more then
[18:07] <Kilos> stepping down is hard
[18:07] <Kilos> normally stepping up or down uses transformers but they use ac
[18:08] <Kilos> you would have to make a divider circuit
[18:08] <MaNI> e.g. 8x 2v 200ah batteries or whatever
[18:09] <Kilos> but stepping 24 down would be more efficient than stepping 12v up
[18:10] <MaNI> but yeah there wasn't a lot of choice on DC power supplies that were affordable, so I'm getting that one here first and then I'll figure something out :p
[18:10] <inetpro> ai!
[18:10] <inetpro> 8:00 and I was dead in the water again
[18:11] <Kilos> eish inetpro  
[18:11] <Kilos> you didnt answer me
[18:11] <inetpro> takes me about 10 minutes to swap sim and get online again
[18:11] <Kilos> what else you need power fo in you setup
[18:12]  * Kilos waits patiently
[18:12] <MaNI> if its just a laptop just get an add-on battery :p
[18:13] <Kilos> maybe he needs power for router and external antenna
[18:13] <rusbus> switch mode power supply
[18:13] <rusbus> j/k I don't know what you guys are talking about
[18:13] <rusbus> just glanced
[18:13] <Kilos> lol
[18:14] <Kilos> oh you the toti guy?
[18:14] <rusbus> ya
[18:14] <rusbus> :(
[18:14] <inetpro> sukkel, sukkel, sukkel
[18:14] <rusbus> I thought we had a bond, Kilos!
[18:14] <Kilos> i got you mixed with someone else today
[18:14] <rusbus> :'(
[18:14] <Kilos> curry bond
[18:14] <rusbus> we are bound by ring sting
[18:15] <Kilos> i dont remember things man
[18:15] <Kilos> lol
[18:15] <rusbus> j/k my poephol is too strong for ring sting
[18:15] <Kilos> i dont even remember who the other guy was now
[18:16] <rusbus> wasn't me :D
[18:16]  * Kilos scrolls
[18:17] <inetpro> Kilos: I am on my laptop
[18:18] <Kilos> ok inetpro  how long does the battery last
[18:18] <inetpro> the battery should last at least an hour, but
[18:18] <inetpro> the Telkom signal on the mobile phone is useless compared to on the router
[18:18] <Kilos> im trying to con ian out of one
[18:18] <Kilos> you want a usb modem inetpro  ?
[18:21] <inetpro> Kilos: I have a suspicion that the towers are also loadshedded and running on minimal power but I would have to proove that
[18:22] <Kilos> eish
[18:22] <Kilos> and you are chair
[18:22] <inetpro> exactly
[18:22] <Kilos> and for first africa meet
[18:22] <inetpro> well today is a good test
[18:23] <MaNI> the cheapest solar panels I can find are in durban, for the first time ever I am jealous of durban people :p
[18:23] <Kilos> lol
[18:23] <inetpro> clearly struggling a bit here
[18:23] <Kilos> why inetpro  we see you
[18:23] <Kilos> Maaz  ping inetpro  
[18:23] <Maaz> Kilos: Error: unknown host inetpro
[18:24] <Kilos> hmm...
[18:28] <Kilos> evening ThatGraemeGuy  
[18:29] <ThatGraemeGuy> 'lo
[18:29] <Kilos> ohi superfly  what was with the good night earlier
[18:29] <Kilos> hi Tonberry  
[18:30] <MaNI> Kilos, it seems the 20v is a typo on the alibaba site, on invoice and actual pico box site it is 24v, so that will make things easier :p
[18:30] <Kilos> yeah much better
[18:30] <Kilos> will last longer too
[18:31] <Kilos> 24v battery same as trucks use
[18:31] <Kilos> expensive but
[18:31] <inetpro> damn!
[18:31] <inetpro> now switched to GSM only to see whether it will be stable
[18:31] <inetpro> but immediately see it's not
[18:32] <inetpro> lag: 30s
[18:32] <Kilos> inetpro  with your work staying online we cant see you disappear
[18:32] <MaNI> cutting out the double AC->DC->AC->DC conversion from my current UPS and power supply appealed to me thats why I decided to try this route :p
[18:32] <Kilos> its a good way for lappies MaNI  
[18:32] <Kilos> no good for desktops
[18:33] <inetpro> Kilos: obviously
[18:33] <Kilos> im not sure how much power an inverter eats
[18:33] <inetpro> Kilos: obviously you can't see how I'm struggling here
[18:33] <Kilos> inetpro  cant you make your connections show afk
[18:33] <inetpro> looks like signal is relatively stable now on GSM
[18:34] <Kilos> like work afk when you not there
[18:34] <Kilos> same like fly does???
[18:36] <Kilos> all i taught you, you still know nothing
[18:36]  * Kilos hides
[18:38] <inetpro> ai!
[18:38] <inetpro> Kilos: ok, watch my status 
[18:39]  * Kilos watches
[18:39] <inetpro> did you see anything changing?
[18:40] <Kilos> nope
[18:40] <inetpro> lag: 30s
[18:40] <Kilos> wow
[18:41] <Kilos> mine is 483ms
[18:41] <inetpro> takes too long to reconnect
[18:41] <Kilos> you should just set the work connection to show afk
[18:42] <Kilos> for starters anyway
[18:42] <inetpro> once connected it seems fine... but I think it would be too risky to have meeting like this
[18:42] <inetpro> anyway lights are back
[18:42] <inetpro> hang on
[18:42] <Kilos> yay
[18:42]  * Kilos hangs on
[18:44] <MaNI> yeah not sure, I'd thumbsuck that 90% efficiency is probably the norm for people who can't afford super expsneive ones
[18:44] <MaNI> my cheap UPS is probably horribly inefficient
[18:45] <Kilos> my ones battery packet up 
[18:45] <Kilos> but it only gave 2 mins to shut down anyway
[18:45] <Kilos> thats no good
[18:45] <MaNI> yeah, I replaced the battery in mine once already
[18:46] <MaNI> apparently they have cheap nasty charge controllers that eat batteries for breakfast
[18:46] <Kilos> that part shouldnt be too hard to rebuild
[18:47] <MaNI> truck battery - interesting - I've had overseas people swear that eletric forklift batteries are best, but haven't looked closely at whats available on local market
[18:47] <Kilos> wow
[18:47] <Kilos> they are half the size of a double bed
[18:47] <Kilos> and 3 or 4 ft high
[18:47] <Kilos> cost big bucks
[18:48] <Kilos> unless you mean one cell only i spose
[18:48] <Kilos> i used to repair and buy and rebuild them a long time ago
[18:48] <MaNI> heh
[18:49] <MaNI> need to do my homework on whats available locally at what price though - deep cycle vs not etc.
[18:49] <inetpro> ok, am back to normal
[18:49] <Kilos> yaya inetpro  lets hope you dont shed on meetingnigh
[18:50] <Kilos> ai!
[18:50] <inetpro> I will get better at this eventually but at this stage would not risk taking the chair on a Tuesday evening 
[18:51] <Kilos> im not gonna advocate changing days again
[18:51] <Kilos> i had too much teenstand last time 
[18:51] <Kilos> and even more from the board
[18:51] <inetpro> Kilos: advocate for another chair
[18:52] <Kilos> nono
[18:52] <Kilos> you my choice of chair
[18:52] <smile> bye :p
[18:52] <Kilos> ill make the africa meeting on a thursday night
[18:52] <inetpro> good evening smile
[18:52] <Kilos> cheers smile
[18:52] <Kilos> sleep tight lad
[18:52] <inetpro> oh and good night as well
[18:53] <smile> thanks
[18:53] <smile> :)
[18:53] <Kilos> :)
[18:53] <inetpro> :-)
[18:53] <Kilos> my ander laatjie is weg
[18:53] <Kilos> Maaz  seen theblazehen
[18:53] <Maaz> Kilos: theblazehen was last seen 4 months, 23 days, 3 hours, 18 minutes and 21 seconds ago in #ubuntu-za on freenode [2015-01-17 07:35:18 PST], and has been offline on freenode since 2015-06-08 12:45:08 PDT
[18:53] <inetpro> wb bmg505
[18:53] <inetpro> Kilos: ai!
[18:53] <Kilos> yo bmg505  our quiet ham
[18:55] <Kilos> yes superfly  my maia answered from ubuntu.com
[18:55] <Kilos> i asked her and david not to let their memberships expire
[18:56] <inetpro> Kilos: I've set my quassel to auto away on detach now but think there's a timeout of sorts before it actually happens
[18:57] <Kilos> nono man
[18:57] <inetpro> in other words not very worthwhile to show you that I'm gone immediately
[18:57] <Kilos> just afk but mainly from the work one
[18:57] <inetpro> Kilos: oh and I actually prefer to be awake all the time
[18:57] <Kilos> you can set the timeout in a decent client
[18:57]  * Kilos sniggers
[18:58] <Kilos> nono man the work one must stay online but show afk
[18:58] <Kilos> so i can see whn you arrive
[18:58] <inetpro> Kilos: no, setting the nick to afk is not negotiable
[18:59] <Kilos> now you show available even when away for long weekends
[18:59] <inetpro> actually very irritating
[18:59] <inetpro> Kilos: I know
[18:59] <Kilos> grrrr
[18:59]  * inetpro did it on purpose
[18:59] <Kilos> ya because you nosy and want to keep us guessing hey?
[18:59] <Kilos> lol
[18:59] <Kilos> sorry pro
[19:00] <Kilos> teasing
[19:00] <Kilos> how am i supposed to skinner about you when you never gone
[19:01] <inetpro> you just don't
[19:01] <Kilos> hmm...
[19:01]  * inetpro is watching you
[19:01] <Kilos> skelm
[19:02] <Kilos> i need to make many changes before i croak
[19:03] <mazal> Night everyone
[19:03] <Kilos> night mazal  
[19:03] <Kilos> lekker slaap seun
[19:04] <inetpro> Kilos: make many changes?
[19:04] <Kilos> ha ubuntiste-msakni  start working
[19:06] <inetpro> eskom not very transparent on twitter today
[19:06] <inetpro> no announcement of loadshedding
[19:06] <inetpro> but at least they now announced, "#Load_shedding stage 1 has been terminated, please note that it may take longer to restore power in some areas."
[19:07] <Kilos> ai!
[19:08] <Kilos> Maaz  what happened to your recruits?
[19:08] <Maaz> Kilos: Huh?
[19:08] <ubuntiste-msakni> not yet Kilos :) Just arrived..
[19:08] <Kilos> ai!
[19:08] <Kilos> ubuntiste-msakni  about time
[19:08] <Kilos> im ready for bed already
[19:08] <ubuntiste-msakni> :D 
[19:09] <Kilos> haha
[19:09] <ubuntiste-msakni> It's 8pm in here :)
[19:09] <Kilos> 9.10pm here
[19:10] <inetpro> by the way, has anyone of you tried the edX courses yet?
[19:10] <ubuntiste-msakni> I did inetpro :)
[19:10] <inetpro> ubuntiste-msakni: cool, and how are they?
[19:11] <ubuntiste-msakni> Just didn't finish anyone x( I'm a lazy guy, I start and never finish them.. The only one I finished was the Linux foundation one.. Because I didn't checkout the courses, I passed the exam without reading the course (shame on me If I didn't pass :D ) 
[19:11] <inetpro> ai!
[19:11] <ubuntiste-msakni> inetpro, cool things.. I like the platform.. It's much better than moodle.. 
[19:12] <Kilos> you see why im so tired inetpro  
[19:12] <inetpro> and for those still in the dark, I'm talking about https://www.edx.org/
[19:12] <ubuntiste-msakni> Kilos, because I'm lazy? :D :p
[19:12] <Kilos> lol
[19:12] <inetpro> Kilos: why?
[19:12] <ubuntiste-msakni> :D
[19:12] <Kilos> the date eaters dont have much energy
[19:13] <inetpro> uh
[19:13] <Kilos> so i have to nag nag nag
[19:13] <ubuntiste-msakni> inetpro, https://s3.amazonaws.com/verify.edx.org/downloads/8aefe508adc3465ea6a344994a30f0d4/Certificate.pdf
[19:13] <Kilos> but things are getting done
[19:13] <inetpro> ubuntiste-msakni: nice!
[19:14] <ubuntiste-msakni> hahahaha :D Kilos badly I quit coffee (as you know).. You'll see when I back to my beloved coffee :D 
[19:14]  * inetpro would like to do the courses but not to write the exams
[19:14] <inetpro> exams are way too expensive for us
[19:15] <elacheche_anis> inetpro, You can do the exams without paying anything :)
[19:15] <inetpro> serious?
[19:15] <inetpro> only other trouble I have with it is the videos, they would eat way too much data for me
[19:16] <Kilos> get them at work
[19:16] <elacheche_anis> Many of the courses are 100% FREE.. Then some offers FREE certification others tell you that if you need to get a PAPER one you need to pay for it.. 
[19:16] <inetpro> elacheche_anis: is there a way to download all videos of a course at once?
[19:16] <elacheche_anis> Others says that if you need to get a Certification that you are an expert in something you need to finish A,B,c and D courses then pay for the certification
[19:18] <elacheche_anis> inetpro, Emmm.. technically YES, because they host them on youtube, you need just to know the links then download them..
[19:18] <elacheche_anis> inetpro, https://www.udacity.com/ is a good option too
[19:19]  * inetpro making a note of that, thanks elacheche_anis
[19:20] <elacheche_anis> Anytime inetpro :) 
[19:53] <inetpro> good night everyone
[19:53] <inetpro> Kilos: now check my status if I disconnect in a few minutes
[19:53] <inetpro> I mean, a few minutes after I disconnect, which is...
[19:54] <Kilos> why are you doing that
[19:54] <inetpro> doing what?
[19:54] <Kilos> the afk thing
[19:54] <inetpro> no I'm not
[19:54] <Kilos> what are you doing?
[19:54] <inetpro> just setting an away status
[19:54] <Kilos> why
[19:55] <inetpro> because you want it
[19:55] <Kilos> nonono
[19:55] <inetpro> ok bye
[19:55] <Kilos> you dont want it , i dont mind at all
[19:55] <inetpro> ek moet gaan slaap oom
[19:55] <Kilos> ok lekker slaap oompie
[19:55] <inetpro> which is.... now
[19:57] <Kilos> Maaz  tell inetpro  yes it works fine, somewhere aroung 1 minute later you gray out
[19:57] <Maaz> Kilos: Okay, I'll tell inetpro on freenode
[19:59] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[20:02] <smile> You too
[20:02] <smile> :)
[20:03] <Kilos> :D
[20:03] <smile> :-D :-D
[20:04] <hibana> good evening
[20:04] <hibana> ai!
[20:05] <hibana> good night
[20:14] <inetpro> .
[20:14] <Maaz> inetpro: By the way, Kilos on freenode told me "tell inetpro yes it works fine, somewhere aroung 1 minute later you gray out" 17 minutes and 1 second ago
[20:14] <Maaz> inetpro: By the way, Kilos on freenode told me "tell inetpro lunapersa" 12 minutes and 30 seconds ago
[20:15] <inetpro> ai!
[20:15]  * inetpro wonders what he must do with lunapersa
[20:15] <inetpro> elacheche_anis: that someone related to you?
[20:19] <elacheche_anis> Yeah inetpro she's my fiancée!! What's wrong x)
[20:21] <inetpro> ahh... no I think Kilos tried to tell me something about her being in a high position of sorts
[20:21] <inetpro> couldn't remember the name
[20:22] <elacheche_anis> You mean the LoCo Council?
[20:22] <inetpro> yep, is she on there?
[20:22] <elacheche_anis> Yeah, she's member of the LoCo Council.. But I have no more informations
[20:23] <inetpro> interesting... well, I'm not sure why he wanted to tell me anyway, but thanks
[20:25] <elacheche_anis> l000l.. Will askj him tomorrow x(
[20:26] <inetpro> maybe he's thinking LoCo Council = Community Council
[20:26] <inetpro> :-)
[20:27] <inetpro> too many councils
[20:27] <inetpro> even I get confused
[20:28] <inetpro> but that is nothing new anyway
[20:28]  * inetpro is often more confused than others
[20:31] <elacheche_anis> x) 
[20:31] <elacheche_anis> maybe :/
[20:32] <inetpro> now really need to go sleep
[20:32] <inetpro> good night
[20:32] <smile> Good night
[20:32] <smile> :)
[20:40] <elacheche_anis> Good night :)
[20:42] <smile> Hallo Cryterion 
[20:42] <smile> You are late
[20:43] <Cryterion> yeah been out for a bit
[20:44] <smile> You shouldnt :-P SA is not safe
[20:45] <Cryterion> only go to places i know are safe in general
[20:46] <Cryterion> but safer here in sa than alot of other countries
[20:46] <smile> :-D then I guess you are fine
[20:47] <Cryterion> yep home now anyway
[20:54] <Cryterion> i off again, night everyone