[09:33] <pragomer> hello. I cannot find a keyboard shortcut in xubuntu 14.04 for minimizing the window. I can edit all other shortcuts like moving / snapping / maximizing... but I do not find minimizing.. is this a bug?
[09:36] <Lachezar> Hey all. I just upgraded to Xubuntu 15.04, and I can not log-in. X boots up, I can see the login window, but entering password X crashes and shows the login window again.
[09:37] <Unit193> !xhangs
[09:38] <Lachezar> .xsession-errors has something about 'upstart-event-bridge main process ended, respawning' then 'update-notifier-crash...'  and then 'startxfce4 main ... TERM ...`
[09:38] <Lachezar> Unit193: I'm currently in text console.
[09:39] <Lachezar> Unit193: removing .Xauthority* and .ICEauthority has no effect: can't log in still.
[09:41] <Lachezar> And I have a /var/crash/_usr_bin_Xorg.0.crash file :(
[09:42] <Unit193> Niiice.  What's it tell you?
[09:42] <Lachezar> Unit193: That something is so screwy, and I'm screwed?
[09:42] <Unit193> Err, I meant with apport-cli
[09:42] <Lachezar> Unit193: Anything in particular I should be sifting for?
[09:43] <Unit193> Generally should have a summery.
[09:44] <Lachezar> Unit193: I did a 'sudo apport-cli ...' and then pressed V, and it started dumping dots.
[09:45] <Lachezar> Doh. No mouse, can't copy-paste in text mode... Something about: 'Error in usr/bin/X: free(): invalid next size (normal): 0x0000something
[09:46] <Unit193> Should be something to get in /var/log/Xorg.0.log and/or /var/log/lightdm/* as well, but alas I must flee.
[09:48] <Lachezar> Hm. Any way I can 'un-upgrade'?
[11:20] <Lachezar> Re! Got my Xubuntu 15.04 to log-in: had to manually (vim-fu) remove xfce4-sensors-plugin from the panel!
[11:20]  * Lachezar is disappointed, that the Desktop icons juggling bug is still around...
[12:03] <cfhowlett> g
[15:19] <xubuntudocking> I am having trouble doing something with xubuntu 14.04 and I don't know how to find the solution. Will I get help if start describing my problem?
[15:20] <xubuntudocking> On this channel I mean
[15:21] <knome> well at least you won't get help if you don't decribe the problem...
[15:21] <knome> +s
[15:23] <xubuntudocking> At work they have a docking station integrated into some philips 231p4u monitors. When I plug the USB for that into my laptop, the monitor says no video input and then nothing
[15:23] <xubuntudocking> I went to the manufacturers website for a driver, but they only support windows.
[15:23] <xubuntudocking> Their adds do tell me that there is plug and play for linux, whatever that means
[15:24] <xubuntudocking> I mean the adds for the philips 231p4u monitor
[15:25] <knome> have you looked at the display setup/settings dialog after plugging in?
[15:26] <xubuntudocking> I have checked the menu called display that one finds under settings display
[15:26] <xubuntudocking> it only detects the monitor in the laptop
[15:26] <xubuntudocking> not the monitor that is plugged in
[15:27] <xubuntudocking> But a mouse and keyboard that are connected to the monitor/dockingstation do work
[15:27] <xubuntudocking> but the display does not
[15:27] <holstein> if i cant find what im looking for in the xfce GUI, i'll try using the GUI tool arandr ..sometimes, its the same, but, i find sometimes thats the "easy" way to implement something im having a challenge with
[15:28] <holstein> there can sometimes be shortcut function keys, as well, on the hardware.. i'll try them, and see if i can simply get the display mirroring..
[15:32] <xubuntudocking> If you are giving me advice holstein, then I don't fully understand it. Should I try downloading arandr and see if that does anything for me? As to the keys on the hardware, I tried pressing all the buttons on the monitor. Nothing interesting happened.
[15:33] <holstein> !info arandr
[15:33] <holstein> sometimes, i find, installing and trying the arandr gui facilitates me applying settings i cant find in other GUI tools
[15:34] <xubuntudocking> apt getting it now
[15:34] <holstein> its quite small, and in the default repos.. and literally shouldnt hurt to try it.. if that doesnt work, then, i will try looking for specifics about my GPU hardware.. seeing if there are any proprietary drivers available.. etc
[15:36] <xubuntudocking> what would it look like if arandr detected two extra monitors?
[15:37] <holstein> xubuntudocking: you have the internal, correct? and another monitor hooked up via VGA, from a laptop? correct?
[15:37] <xubuntudocking> no the external monitor is connected over USB
[15:37] <holstein> xubuntudocking: i would remove that from the euqation, for now, and just learn to implement dual head, in dependently of that hardware
[15:38] <holstein> could be, that USB device doesnt support linux, and may not work well, or easily..
[15:38] <holstein> xubuntudocking: has the USB device ever worked for you in a linux system? that can be helpful.. in seeing what supports the hardware..
[15:39] <xubuntudocking> it sort of works right now. A keyboard is connected to one monitor and a mouse to the other. Those things work. Just the monitors don't
[15:39] <xubuntudocking> They never have either.
[15:40] <holstein> could be a USB hub passing those devices through, somehow..
[15:41] <xubuntudocking> when I turn one of the monitors off, or disconnect one monitor from the other, both the mouse and the keyboard stop working
[15:41] <holstein> supports the "hub" theory..
[15:44] <ochosi> xubuntudocking: from what i know the "display over usb" support in the linux kernel isnt all too great yet
[15:44] <ochosi> i.e. not working for a lot of hardware
[15:44] <holstein> ive never had it "just work".. or, been able to make it work
[15:44] <ochosi> so the only solution might be to google and see whether others have made it work
[15:45] <xubuntudocking> what might I google though.
[15:45] <xubuntudocking> When I look for the monitor name and driver I only get things for windows
[15:45] <holstein> the model # and "linux" or "ubuntu"..
[15:46] <holstein> the company likely, as you have found, doenst create, or supply a driver.. so, looking for "model # driver" likely wont help
[15:49] <xubuntudocking> All I find are copies of the product information which says that there is plug and play support for linux
[15:51] <holstein> xubuntudocking: you can share that here, if you think that would be helpful.. or ask the creators of the hardware about the linux support
[15:52] <holstein> in many cases, they *will* provide support, but, maybe its for an older version of the kernel.. 12.04 ubuntu, for example.. maybe a volunteer can help find that information, if you share more about it, or the specific documentataion
[15:55] <xubuntudocking> I am willing to share information, but I don't know what you're looking for
[15:55] <holstein> xubuntudocking: any relevant information from the creators of the hardware.. if you say, "they promise linux support" share that documentation.. could be, someone can assist with the paramaters of that support
[15:56] <holstein> you are plugging  and playing it, in linux, and its not working.. so, we can start there.. *what* is not working.. and what makes you think it should, specifically..
[15:58] <xubuntudocking> on the product page made by philips there is a pdf of a manual
[15:58] <xubuntudocking> here http://www.p4c.philips.com/cgi-bin/cpindex.pl?ctn=231P4UPES/00&hlt=Link_Overview&scy=AA&slg=AEN
[15:59] <xubuntudocking> in that pdf on page 31 under convenience it says Plug & Play connectivity DDC/CI, sRGB, Windows 8/7/Vista/XP, Mac OSX, Linux
[15:59] <xubuntudocking> in said manual
[16:00] <xubuntudocking> then this is repeated in nearly the same wording on page 50 in the general FAQ
[16:01] <xubuntudocking> sorry not quite the right link the pdf manual is here http://download.p4c.philips.com/files/2/231p4upes_00/231p4upes_00_dfu_aen.pdf
[16:01] <knome> xubuntudocking, then i guess you should connect philips and ask what they mean...
[16:01]  * knome grins
[16:01] <holstein> ideally, they would provide details..
[16:01] <knome> if it doesn't work out-of-the-box, then it hasn't got plug and play
[16:01] <knome> whatever the manual said
[16:02] <xubuntudocking> The mouse and keyboard are plug and play through the monitor....
[16:03] <holstein> doesnt imply "plug and play" with any of the others in the list, since, there are drivers at the site
[16:03] <holstein> was it "plug and play" with windows?
[16:04] <knome> xubuntudocking, as been told, stuff plugged in the monitor doesn't mean the monitor should work
[16:04] <holstein> anyways, can you remove things from the scneario, xubuntudocking ? can you remove any hubs, etc.. and plug *one* monitor right into the USB of the xubuntu machine? directly?
[16:04] <knome> xubuntudocking, but i guess you can keep insisting that it should work before other stuff work
[16:04] <knome> xubuntudocking, but... i doubt it magically will, even if you insisted for a year
[16:06] <xubuntudocking> I know it works for windows laptops. Maybe tomorrow I can try more, I could bring one of those blue monitor cables and see what happens with one of those.
[16:06] <holstein> xubuntudocking: sure.. it *works* with windows.. but, was a driver needed? anyways, thats just to look at what the company implies with the term "plug and play"..
[16:07] <holstein> xubuntudocking: the VGA cable will likely "just work" if thats an option.. though, you should also try bypassing the docking station..
[16:07] <xubuntudocking> I think my buddy still needed to download a driver, even for windows
[16:07] <holstein> seems like, you have a lot of things plugged into a HUB of sorts, and that HUB could be what is not working in linux..
[16:08] <xubuntudocking> I don't know for sure there is a dockingstation. I think you plug everything into the monitors
[16:08] <holstein> xubuntudocking: try unplugging *everything* else.. and only taking a USB cord from *one* monitor directly to the USB on the linux machine
[16:09] <xubuntudocking> mouse and keyboard stopped working
[16:10] <xubuntudocking> the monitor that still has all its plugs says check cable connection
[16:10] <holstein> right.. they are not physically connecting to the machine, any longer.. correct?
[16:10] <holstein> so, thats expected..
[16:10] <xubuntudocking> the one plugged into my laptop through usb does nothing
[16:11] <holstein> i would expect to look in the GUI, at least, and enable the monitor
[16:11] <xubuntudocking> says no video input
[16:11] <xubuntudocking> enters sleep mode
[16:11] <holstein> so, its not "plug and play" then, at least in that regard.. you can look in the GUI and try and enable it. and look and see if the unit is showing up anywhere in the system.. lsusb for example
[16:12] <holstein> if its not "plug and play" in windows, as promised in the manual, it may not be plug and play in linux, either
[16:17] <xubuntudocking> well thank you guys. I think I'll send an email to the company and see if their costumer support is better than their manual
[16:17] <xubuntudocking> There is always hope right :D
[16:17] <xubuntudocking> You were really great reacting so quickly to all my questions
[16:18] <holstein> xubuntudocking: good luck.. the blue VGA cable should work easily.. and, you can use the USB hub for the mouse and keyboard..
[16:20] <holstein> xubuntudocking: i read, VGA vs USB settings in the manual for the hardware
[16:20] <holstein> could be, you have it set for VGA.. etc..
[20:38] <suncokret> is xubuntu 15.04 with systemd?
[20:38] <brainwash_> yes
[20:38] <suncokret> is systemd open source software?
[20:38] <brainwash_> yes
[20:38] <suncokret> why much people don't like systemd?
[20:39] <suncokret> why is systemd better or worst than previous?
[20:39] <brainwash_> because it's more than just an init system -> "bloated" piece of software
[20:40] <brainwash_> but it makes maintaining the system easier
[20:41] <suncokret> bloated mean that use more resources because it have too much operations?
[20:41] <brainwash_> but that's offtopic. use your favorite web search engine and read the pro and contra arguments
[20:42] <suncokret> thank you
[20:42] <suncokret> tell me just do you prefer systemd or not?
[20:43] <brainwash_> I do (somewhat), it's the default choice among many distros now
[20:44] <suncokret> i know, i will use 14.04, it have support for about 2 years more ant it is without systemd
[20:44] <suncokret> *and
[20:44] <suncokret> thank you
[20:46] <brainwash_> :)