[00:25] <intrbiz> running kde5 \o/
[00:25] <intrbiz> looking pretty awesome
[03:27] <mapps> hi
[03:33] <zmoylan-pi> o/
[03:36] <mapps> ;]
[03:47] <bujji> how to find load average using uptime command
[04:36] <mapps> it shows t i thought
[06:59] <SuperMatt> g'day
[07:15] <MooDoo> hello all
[08:53] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[08:54] <knightwise> hey brobostigon
[08:54] <ujjain> hello
[08:54] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[08:54] <ujjain> what is cooler, a sports or prone rifle?
[08:54] <knightwise> guns arent cool
[08:54] <brobostigon> morning knightwise, ujjain and bigcalm
[08:55] <knightwise> about to swear in church but .... i just got a surface pro 3 to play with
[08:55]  * brobostigon is cool.
[08:55] <knightwise> interesting hardware
[08:55] <knightwise> nice to play around with and use it to connect to ssh :p
[08:55]  * brobostigon is just cool, but definitivly freezing.
[08:55] <brobostigon> isnt just*
[09:02] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Ball Point Pen Day! 😃
[09:03] <mwludarski> Hi, I have problem with game perfromance on Ubuntu 15.04, I've installed Fglrx-updates drivers. I have a hybrid graphic Inte/AMD  and my graphic card is Radeon 7610M 2GB and I have a laptop Asus K53SK with i7(second generation),16GB Ram(Corsair Vegance) .I asked question on (askubuntu and answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/267884 but no one can not help me)
[09:04]  * davmor2 stabs his ball point pen through a £20 note, then rips the pen through the note and then shows the pen and note intact....dun dun dun
[09:04] <davmor2> JamesTait: that was just for you
[09:05] <JamesTait> Magic!
[09:08] <davmor2> JamesTait: it's all done with mirrors honest :D
[09:10] <TheGeek> mornin
[09:11] <awilkins> mwludarski, which games are you having trouble with? Bear in mind that the AMD drivers are famous for sucking badly.
[09:12] <mwludarski> All games I have on steam
[09:12] <awilkins> And the 7610M gets 1 star for performance : http://www.futuremark.com/hardware/gpu/AMD+Radeon+HD+7610M/review
[09:13] <awilkins> Is this performance compared to how they run on Windows?
[09:13] <mwludarski> no
[09:14] <awilkins> And "all games that I have on Steam" isn't very specific... I'd imagine that games like FTL which are mostly 2D rendering probably work OK but games like Pillars of Eternity which render things in 3D are probably less wonderful
[09:14] <mwludarski> For example when I run cs:source on windows i have around 80-120fps on highest graphic settings, but on ubuntu I have around 20-30 on lowest graphic settings
[09:15] <awilkins> On the same hardware?
[09:15] <mwludarski> yes
[09:17] <mwludarski> I checked fps on Witcher2,Dead Island,CS:GO,CS:Source,War Thunder,Rust,Guns of Icarus, Euro Truck, Day of Defeat:source, Mount & Blade:warband
[09:19] <TwistedLucidity> Those all look like intense 3D games.
[09:20] <awilkins> Yeah, Witcher 2 is a challenging game even on something as recent as a 560Ti
[09:20] <awilkins> The Source engine games, not so much
[09:20] <TwistedLucidity> Could it be that they are trying to run on the Intel chipset? I'll confess to only having experience of discrete nvidia cards.
[09:21] <TwistedLucidity> i.e. using bumblebee. I am unsure of the AMD equivalent
[09:21] <awilkins> Stupid question : have you tried the OSS driver?
[09:21] <awilkins> http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/open-source-amd-graphics-now-awesome-heres-get/
[09:21] <awilkins> Apparently it's the bee's knees now
[09:22] <awilkins> But not the best for games, meh
[09:22] <mwludarski> awilkin I did try oss driver
[09:22] <awilkins> WOrse?
[09:23] <TwistedLucidity> Roll-on the Steam Machines and nvidia/AMD getting a kick in the conkers.
[09:23] <popey> Tempted by a steam link thing
[09:24] <awilkins> Will Steam Machines use Mir, do you think?
[09:24] <mwludarski> nothing change but I tried them on ubuntu 14.04  Now I have 15.04 vers I will try now it
[09:25] <awilkins> mwludarski, The "not actually using the AMD hardware" thing is possibly the most likely problem
[09:25] <awilkins> Followed by "sorry, the drivers just suck horribly"
[09:25] <mwludarski> no drivers but AMD ;p
[09:25] <awilkins> I wouldn't consider buying AMD hardware just because of it's terrible performance reputation on Linux
[09:25] <TwistedLucidity> Either glxgears or glxspheres will tell you which driver they run on. Let me check which one it is....
[09:26] <awilkins> gears doesn't
[09:26] <TwistedLucidity> It'll be spheres then. I used that to check I had Bumblebee config'd correctly.
[09:26] <awilkins> glxinfo works too
[09:26] <awilkins> And is installed by default
[09:27] <mwludarski> I bought laptop with windows 7 but I had a lot of bluescreen so I change os to ubuntu :P
[09:27] <awilkins> glxinfo | grep vendor
[09:27] <awilkins> Lots of bluescreens?
[09:27] <mwludarski> yeap
[09:27]  * bashrc does not believe that Windows is ready for the desktop
[09:27] <TwistedLucidity> awilkins: True. But spheres gives a nice, simple output and acted as a (very) basic performance test.
[09:27] <awilkins> That's really only one of a few things on Windows 7
[09:28] <awilkins> BSOD ==   bad GPU driver (all too common on laptops)
[09:28] <awilkins> Or bad hardware
[09:28] <mwludarski> haha
[09:28] <awilkins> It's a laptop so it's not the PSU
[09:28] <awilkins> But it may well be duff RAM
[09:28] <TwistedLucidity> memtest386 would do system RAM. Don't think it would test GPU RAM
[09:28] <awilkins> The only things I get BSOD for on modern windows, GPU drivers, failing PSU, bad RAM
[09:28] <mwludarski> glxinfo |grep vendor results : server glx vendor string: ATI
[09:28] <mwludarski> client glx vendor string: ATI
[09:28] <mwludarski> OpenGL vendor string: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.
[09:28] <intrbiz> awilkins: Nvidia's SATA drivers clocked the most BSODs for Vista
[09:29] <mwludarski> I've checked ram 2 days agon and everything was fine
[09:29] <awilkins> intrbiz, I think they revised the driver model so that only the GPU drivers were running in kernel space
[09:29] <TwistedLucidity> Will bridging from AMD -> Intel suffer the same performance hit as with nvidia?
[09:29] <awilkins> Hence GPU being the only thing that causes BSOD now (??)
[09:30] <TwistedLucidity> Something about having to marshal the framebuffer wotsit across...I forget the details.
[10:32] <bujji> https://bpaste.net/show/bf4636ff969e
[10:33] <intrbiz> ?
[10:33] <bujji> yum install squirrelmail is not working
[10:33] <directhex> awilkins: no. never. i can guarantee that.
[10:34] <directhex> bujji: try a fedora channel?
[10:34] <bujji> its saying https://bpaste.net/show/bf4636ff969e
[10:34] <directhex> or centos or whatever
[10:34] <intrbiz> bujji: try asking in the chanel for the distro you are using
[10:35] <intrbiz> bujji: judging by the error message, the configured URL of the EPEL repo is wrong
[10:35] <bujji> intrbiz:okey
[10:36] <directhex> awilkins: steamos will use x.org, until x.org games run perfectly and at least 1:1 as fast under wayland w/ proprietary drivers. "at least" being important there, as there's complexity increase from changing, so tangible improvements would be needed
[11:23] <knightwise> afternoon peepsµ
[11:31] <MooDoo> howdy knightwise
[11:37] <knightwise> hey MooDoo
[11:43] <bujji> intrbiz:configured successfullly but not working
[11:51] <knightwise> so , whats up :)
[11:51] <awilkins> The vector antiparallel to gravity
[11:51] <TwistedLucidity> The ISS after the oopsie, fortunately.
[11:52] <knightwise> lol
[11:52] <TwistedLucidity> perpendicular (noun): see 'antiparallel'.
[12:51] <popey> Egg banjo time!
[12:53] <ujjain> RTNETLINK answers: No such file or directory < what does this mean?
[12:53] <ujjain> - /sbin/tc qdisc del dev lo root
[13:04] <ujjain> ah, already works, devs tried to del before a create
[13:25] <foobarry> why doesn't RHEL/Centos have tmpreaper?
[13:25] <foobarry> seems odd
[13:26] <bigcalm> intrbiz: ping :)
[13:26] <intrbiz> bigcalm: pong
[13:26] <bigcalm> Hazar!
[13:26] <bigcalm> OpenVPN
[13:26] <davmor2> bigcalm: yes it rock
[13:26] <davmor2> s
[13:26] <intrbiz> foobarry: to tidy up /tmp?
[13:27] <bigcalm> I've enabled client-client in the server config. My home laptop can now "see" the office printer. But it can't connect as all ports are appearing as "filtered" in nmap
[13:27] <bigcalm> intrbiz: any thoughts?
[13:27] <foobarry> intrbiz: yes, centos has tmpwatch which sucks
[13:27] <foobarry> tmpreaper is much better since it works
[13:28] <foobarry> but not found on centos
[13:28] <MooDoo> foobarry: tmpwatch does pretty much the same on centos
[13:28] <foobarry> doesn't do regex or delete directories
[13:28] <MooDoo> oh sorry didn't read your last but lol
[13:28] <MooDoo> bit
[13:28] <foobarry> so cannot do /home/*/data
[13:28] <intrbiz> bigcalm: where is your laptop and where is your printer?
[13:29] <intrbiz> bigcalm: client-client just allows two VPN clients to pass traffic to each other
[13:29] <bigcalm> intrbiz: laptop is at home. printer is at shrewsbury office
[13:29] <intrbiz> bigcalm: ok, and by 'see' what do you mean, just ping?
[13:30] <bigcalm> intrbiz: nmap 192.168.1.0/24 from home lists all of the awake devices at the shrewsbury office. All devices (bar the openvpn server itself) show the ports as filtered
[13:31] <intrbiz> bigcalm: what is the default gateway of the printer?
[13:31] <bigcalm> 1.1 I expect
[13:31] <bigcalm> Which is currently the adsl router
[13:31] <intrbiz> is that the openvpn box, or the FTTC router?
[13:31] <bigcalm> Not the micro server
[13:32] <intrbiz> do you have a static route on the FTTC router?
[13:32] <bigcalm> Only to forward 1194 on to the openvpn box
[13:32] <intrbiz> ok
[13:32] <davmor2> bigcalm: get your boss to hire adam, send you intrbiz and get him to do it for you done ;)
[13:33] <bigcalm> davmor2: I don't learn that way
[13:33] <bigcalm> davmor2: I now have my own 26 port managed switch at home
[13:33] <davmor2> intrbiz: can slap the back of your head in a gibbs-esque way to help you learn :)
[13:34] <intrbiz> bigcalm: so, as your VPN client is on a different network to the printer, the printer will need to know where to forward the traffic via (ie: to route it)
[13:34] <intrbiz> bigcalm: by default traffic that is not for the local nic, will be sent to the default gateway
[13:34] <bigcalm> intrbiz: I thought that would have been handled by the incoming request. Like wot http does
[13:34] <intrbiz> bigcalm: in this case, the printer is sending traffic destinded for your VPN client, to the FTTC router, which will drop it
[13:35] <bigcalm> Ug
[13:36] <bigcalm> So until I make the microserver the router/firewall for the office, I need to add static routes to the FTTC router?
[13:36] <intrbiz> bigcalm: routing is plain IP (layer 3), IP has no concept of a 'connection'
[13:36] <bigcalm> I see (I think)
[13:36] <intrbiz> bigcalm: you can add a static route on the FTTC router, however that probably won't work, as things dislike triangular routing
[13:36] <bigcalm> Quite
[13:37] <intrbiz> bigcalm: you could either, set the default router of the printer to the microserver (easiest way) or add a static route on the printer
[13:37] <bigcalm> Worth a shot. What route would I be adding? to route traffic for 192.168.43.0/24 to the openvpn box?
[13:38] <intrbiz> bigcalm: as the printer is unlikely to need access to the interner, changing default gateway of the printer will probably be the best option for now
[13:38] <bigcalm> And it won't stop local users from using the printer?
[13:38] <intrbiz> bigcalm: route would be: <vpn_network> via <openvpn_ip>
[13:39] <intrbiz> bigcalm: no, because local users are on the same network, so routing does not come into play, packets are sent from local user -> printer
[13:39] <bigcalm> I don't mean to sound like a scratched record, but isn't that what the vpn client is doing as well?
[13:40] <intrbiz> bigcalm: routing needs to be configured both ends
[13:40] <intrbiz> bigcalm: so the VPN server, tells the VPN client, the routes it needs to access stuff behind the VPN server
[13:41] <intrbiz> bigcalm: stuff behind the VPN server, equally, needs to know where to route stuff to reach the VPN clients
[13:41] <bigcalm> proliant ~ $ telnet 192.168.1.107 9100
[13:41] <bigcalm> Trying 192.168.1.107...
[13:41] <bigcalm> Connected to 192.168.1.107.
[13:41] <bigcalm> Escape character is '^]'.
[13:41] <bigcalm> Win!
[13:42] <bigcalm> That was by changing the gateway on the printer to that of the openvpn box
[13:42] <intrbiz> bigcalm: the other option, is to masquerade the VPN clients onto the local network via the VPN server
[13:42] <intrbiz> bigcalm: :)
[13:43] <intrbiz> bigcalm: where did you telnet from?
[13:43] <bigcalm> Once I move all routing to the openvpn box, I assume that I won't have to
[13:43] <bigcalm> intrbiz: my home microserver
[13:43] <intrbiz> bigcalm: correct
[13:44] <bigcalm> I'm in Shrewsbury today, so I ssh'd home via my home vpn tunnel and then used the work vpn tunnel to connect to the printer
[13:44] <bigcalm> Fun times
[13:44] <intrbiz> bigcalm: right, around the houses testing is always fun
[13:46] <bigcalm> I have another box that I could do with talking to from home. But that device does talk to the internet
[13:46] <bigcalm> I wonder if I can set a route without killing it
[13:46] <intrbiz> bigcalm: linux box?
[13:46] <bigcalm> iDigi X4
[13:46] <intrbiz> bigcalm: ip route add <dest_net> via <gateway_ip>
[13:47] <bigcalm> No, the box of tricks with zigbee in it
[13:47] <intrbiz> bigcalm: ah, it might have the older route command
[13:48] <bigcalm> I'm seeing what I can do via the web interface 1st
[13:50] <bigcalm> I can add static routes via the web interface
[13:50] <bigcalm> I can also clear out old static routes that it appears to have :|
[13:51] <intrbiz> handy
[13:51] <bigcalm> What's the Metric? I'll learn some day
[13:53] <intrbiz> bigcalm: its the priority of that entry
[13:53] <bigcalm> Reversed priority? Lower number == higher priority?
[13:54] <intrbiz> bigcalm: you can have multiple entries for a route where the lowest metric wins
[13:54] <intrbiz> bigcalm: metric could be: number of hops, latency etc
[13:54] <bigcalm> I see
[13:54] <intrbiz> 10 is the commonly used defauly
[13:54] <intrbiz> default*
[13:54] <intrbiz> or just leave it blank
[13:55] <bigcalm> It works!
[13:55]  * bigcalm bounces
[13:56] <bigcalm> Now I can stop doing work related things in my lunch break and watch kitten videos for 5 minutes
[13:57] <intrbiz> :)
[14:00] <bigcalm> Woop woop
[14:01] <bigcalm> I just added a static route to the FTTC router. Now I can ssh to my home machine from my office workstation without having to ssh to the openvpn server 1st
[14:01] <bigcalm> This should mean that I can remove the static routes from individual devices
[14:02] <bigcalm> Yep, still works
[14:02] <bigcalm> davmor2: see, I get to learn this way around :)
[14:02] <bigcalm> davmor2: come to the Oddfellows tonight
[14:03] <davmor2> bigcalm: I'm going to try lots on at the minute though so no promises
[14:04] <bigcalm> The pub needs more odd fellows
[14:13] <davmor2> popey, bigcalm: in chromium can you try and go to ee.co.uk
[14:13] <popey> i dont have chromium installed
[14:13] <davmor2> popey: do you have chrome
[14:13] <popey> ya
[14:13] <popey> works in chrome
[14:14] <davmor2> popey: thanks
[14:14] <popey> np
[14:14] <davmor2> for me works in ff fails in chromium
[14:22] <bigcalm> davmor2: works for me in Chromium
[14:29] <davmor2> hahahaha http://www.cosmopolitan.co.uk/love-sex/relationships/a35998/dating-a-girl-from-wolverhampton/  popey looks like they saw born in wolves and thought they needed to write an article :D
[14:29] <davmor2> raised by wolves even
[14:30] <popey> haha
[14:53] <nucc1> so I have an SSH private key which I use to log in to 2 servers, A and B. If server A is compromised, should I assume that the attacker can is able to login to server B as me?
[14:56] <MooDoo> nucc1: i would
[14:58] <nucc1> MooDoo: so the ssh stuff is not public/private? I would imagine that the key stored on the servers is "public" and only the one on my laptop is "private"
[14:59] <intrbiz> nucc1: if you have your private key stored on server A then yes, if it is jus the public key on server A (ie: authorized hosts), then it's all about the strength of your key
[15:01] <intrbiz> nucc1: if you private key is only stored on your laptop, and the public key is deployed to servers A and B, if server A is compromised an attacker could not immediately login to server B
[15:02] <nucc1> intrbiz: i pretty much just followed the instructions here: https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-set-up-ssh-keys--2
[15:02] <davmor2> MooDoo: \o you like my comment then, my aim was a smile on your face :)
[15:03] <nucc1> i think private key is on my laptop only, but i'll just generate a new set of keys.
[15:03] <intrbiz> nucc1: your probably fine then
[15:03] <intrbiz> nucc1: unless you've manually copied ~/.ssh/id_rsa to an vulnerable location, you'll be fine
[15:04] <nucc1> intrbiz: no i didn't. thanks :)
[15:05] <intrbiz> nucc1: as long as you keep the private key safe, all will be fine, unless someone factors your RSA public key (which is time consuming, expensive and unlikely)
[15:05] <intrbiz> unless a debian maintainer has patched openssl again
[15:07] <nucc1> lol at debian maintainer. private key is as safe as I can make it, because it's never left my laptop, which is full disk encrypted. I guess it's safe to say only NSA/GCHQ/Chinese Mil can get it
[15:07] <nucc1> and they are welcome to my stash of sexting photos if they fancy.
[15:08] <intrbiz> nucc1: or someone with a rubberhose
[15:08] <nucc1> i doubt they can overpower me with a rubber hose :)
[15:08] <intrbiz> https://xkcd.com/538/
[15:08] <nucc1> a gun maybe, or a group of them :)
[15:09] <zmoylan-pi> in east european circles they use a soldering iron in place of the rubber hose
[15:10] <nucc1> good thing i'm just a nobody. he he. biggest threat to my computer is ransomware, i think.
[15:10] <nucc1> or one of my VPSes turning into a DDoS bot
[16:49] <Myrtti> let's see what Dell Support thinks of my laptop problem now...
[17:43] <daftykins> Myrtti: what's up with it?
[17:44] <Myrtti> daftykins: left speaker stopped working and the right one has a temperament now too
[17:45] <daftykins> ooh-err
[17:45] <daftykins> any indication that's common on that model at all?
[17:47] <Myrtti> tried googling it but haven't found any
[17:47] <Myrtti> XPS13 9333.
[17:47] <daftykins> mmm i remember it well, pretty close to ideal machine really
[17:48] <Myrtti> of course the support wants me to do the online diagnostics now...
[17:48] <Myrtti> nnnggghhhh.
[17:50] <daftykins> ah some nasty Windows prog? blech
[17:54]  * popey fancies the 9343
[17:54] <popey> still...
[17:55] <daftykins> i've got a client who is essentially picking between a Lenovo X1 Carbon and the Microsoft Surface Pro 3
[17:56] <daftykins> mobile data seemed to be a priority though, i think a Surface with a dongle stuck out the side of would be a terrible idea :D
[17:58] <popey> do they not do one with data?
[17:58] <popey> surprising
[17:58] <davmor2> daftykins: just sell them a mifi too :D
[17:58] <daftykins> seems a surface 2 might have done, but it's nowhere in the specs of the 3
[17:59] <daftykins> mmm nah, this one just *lost* an entire laptop so the more things can be in the one unit the better i think :)
[17:59] <Myrtti> could Dell have "online sound card diagnostics from the support website http://del.ly/6013B6O7F " that would work on Ubuntu? Please tell me I just can't find it...
[17:59]  * Myrtti doesn't want to nuke Ubuntu to run a bloody diagnostics test
[18:00] <daftykins> you can run executables from the Windows preinstallation environment
[18:00] <daftykins> mind you it'd lack necessary drivers at that point >8\/ nevermind
[18:01] <daftykins> that link needs a service tag
[18:03] <daftykins> powered by PC Doctor, hmm
[18:05] <Myrtti> just asked them how they would have dealt with the issue if the laptop were the Developer Edition
[18:05] <Myrtti> and double checking that they mean the Windows only tool
[18:05] <davmor2> Myrtti: there is the quick test button no idea how that works with ubuntu dells
[18:05] <Myrtti> "The Quick Test scans the hard drive, memory, processor and disc drive of your Windows-based PC or tablet for errors."
[18:06] <daftykins> it doesn't, it ties into a Windows program you are told to install
[18:07] <Myrtti> indeed.
[18:07] <daftykins> there's probably an equivalent within the EFI
[18:08] <daftykins> but then you're asking them about speakers so all those tests are useless XD
[18:08] <Myrtti> Ubuntu thinks the speaker is there.
[18:08] <Myrtti> I can hear just fine from the right speaker.
[18:09] <Myrtti> well, when that one isn't getting a weird static
[18:09] <popey> this sounds dumb...
[18:09] <popey> but have you tried running alsamixer?
[18:09] <popey> (my usb mic gets muted or low vol sometimes and only alsamixer can fix the volume level)
[18:10] <Myrtti> sure, just ran it. I can see S/PDIF, S/DIF 1 and S/PDIF 2 there.
[18:10] <Myrtti> with toggles on and off.
[18:10] <Myrtti> that's it.
[18:10] <daftykins> would a live session also rule out any such quirks?
[18:10] <popey> f6 to choose sound card?
[18:11] <popey> card should be listed at top, Intel HDA or something
[18:12] <Myrtti> live session might be a good idea
[18:13] <Myrtti> alsamixer has nothing muted
[18:13] <popey> nothing panned down?
[18:14] <popey> i had one channel panned down on my mic, oddly
[18:16] <Myrtti> live session has the same issue
[18:21] <daftykins> speaks of something more serious then, mmm
[18:30] <popey> yeah
[18:31] <davmor2> I wonder if they ran the speaker cable over the graphics chip
[18:31] <daftykins> CPU then
[18:31] <daftykins> heh
[18:31] <daftykins> i almost asked earlier if the intermittence was influenced by heat / uptime
[19:32] <Myrtti> mmmmaybe
[19:33] <Myrtti> Ive rebooted a few times now and the right speaker is fine