[17:13] <schnitz> hey need a little help with ubuntu in general, have troubles getting my graphic card(s) to run
[17:14] <schnitz> right place?
[17:16] <schnitz> updated to 15.04 and am not so deeply involved with Linux, but everything worked well for many months. Now suddenly, I have only 60Hz whatever I do
[17:16] <schnitz> (yes I'm running an old school monitor)
[17:17] <schnitz> Problem is, I have a onboard APU with an additional graphics card. Both AMD / ATI ... under Windows, with ATI drivers, they work together well, do multi-GPU load balancing
[17:18] <schnitz> under Ubuntu, they seem to collide now
[17:18] <schnitz> Since I'm not doing anything graphics intense, I was wondering whether I could *disable* and additional grafics cards hardware-wise under Linux
[17:19] <schnitz> aticonfig is not working properly under Linux, tried lots of configs, it mostly crashes and doesn't help at alll
[17:25] <holstein> schnitz: you mean, both intel and ati?
[17:26] <holstein> anyways, i had an nvidia version of that.. dual GPU.. i was able to disable the nvidia part, and only use the intel part
[17:26] <holstein> anyways, you are in the right general area.. i would experiement with the GPU drivers
[17:27] <holstein> if its me, i would download the live 15.04 iso. or, 14.04, if i dont want to mess with this often.. i would see how to simply implment what i want, which would just be a desktop that works well for my needs, not both ati and intel at the same time
[17:28] <holstein> if you want to "fiddle" about with your install, you can simply remove/purge any/all proprietary drivers you have installed, *backup*, but then remove or rename your xorg.conf, and try stock ubuntu with the open ati drivers
[17:34] <schnitz> ok
[17:35] <schnitz> no its both ati
[17:35] <schnitz> first of all
[17:35] <schnitz> they're both using fglrx_pci
[17:35] <holstein> schnitz: i really dont think so, friend
[17:35] <holstein> maybe you have an onboard with a dual head kind of thing
[17:35] <holstein> but, what do i know
[17:36] <holstein> anyways, if whoever made the hardware wants to, they can support linux for you.. but, if they dont, then, you'll have to do it yourself,which can be challenging
[17:36] <schnitz> hey thanks for helping, just a slight misunderstanding... yeah, I have a APU with an onboard GPU
[17:36] <schnitz> from AMD
[17:36] <holstein> i'll pull one, and work with *just* one at a time
[17:36] <schnitz> right
[17:36] <schnitz> but I'm still looking for a way w/o physically removing
[17:36] <schnitz> ie. pulling
[17:37] <schnitz> since I have 2 OS, and under Windows it works fine
[17:37] <holstein> sure, and again, if the creators of those graphics chips want, they can provide you a nice and easy way for that to work, as you are seeing that they are capable of doing for windows
[17:37] <schnitz> I was wondering whether I could make ubuntu believe the additional graphics card (also ATI) 'doesn't exist'
[17:37] <holstein> if not, you may find it is the easiest to reinstall, or to pull the hardware and deal with them indeividually
[17:38] <holstein> schnitz: if you have installed the proprietary drivers, and a custom xorg.conf is in place, still, which, i suggest trying to bypass, that could have blacklisted a module, or create a conf file that doesnt "see" is
[17:38] <holstein> it*
[17:40] <schnitz> ok i see what you're trying to get at... thanks
[17:40] <holstein> on my production machine, i just disabled the internal GPU.. i have a dual head nvidia card.. when i tried to do both, it didnt work well
[17:41] <holstein> so, i decided to go with what i thought would be more stable
[17:41] <schnitz> that makes a lodda sense, maybe I should do the same and disable the internal GPU
[17:41] <schnitz> instead of the other way round
[17:42] <schnitz> but not quite sure how I can do that if both use the same driver
[17:42] <schnitz> also, aticonfig is a mess
[17:42] <schnitz> in the sense thats its crashing when I do changes
[17:42] <schnitz> there is an option for doing this under aticonfig, however, it does not persist, ie. take effect
[17:43] <schnitz> which is why I'm here too :-)
[17:43] <schnitz> after start-up those changes from aticonfig either don't take effect or the system crashed on aticonfig at booting
[17:44] <holstein> sure.. try not using aticonfig
[17:44] <holstein> try removing the proprietary driver, and using just the open, included driver
[17:44] <holstein> if you want to know if that will work, try the live iso.. you can do that without changing your system at all
[17:45] <schnitz> sure, I will remove the proprietary driver now.
[17:45] <holstein> you'll likely simply make them persistent by saving the xorg.conf it creates
[17:46] <holstein> you can also try 14.04, and see if it just works "better", and install and use it.. since, it will be supported longer
[17:46] <schnitz> I had the same problem under 14.04, tbh
[17:47] <schnitz> ok removed the proprietary driver
[17:48] <schnitz> yup aticonfig has been removed
[17:48] <holstein> sure. im not suggesting 14.04 as a "fix".. just that, *when* you get this resolved in someway, you can have it working for 5 years
[17:48] <holstein> instead of a few more months..
[17:49] <schnitz> A few months is eternity in my world... :-)
[17:49] <holstein> anyways, what i would be doing is, removing variables.. testing with the live iso, and seeing if the open driver works.. if you are skipping that, fine.. then, i would deal with them one at a time and see that the open driver works with them..
[17:49] <holstein> i would look and make sure i have no xorg.conf in place..
[17:49] <holstein> i would back it up, and rename, or remove it..
[17:50] <schnitz> interesting. OK I will reboot then, I now the Live ISO works.
[17:50] <schnitz> know
[17:51] <holstein> sure. but with what?
[17:51] <holstein> with the open driver?
[17:51] <schnitz> yep
[17:51] <holstein> anyways, as i said, you want to skip that, skip it
[17:51] <schnitz> at least pretty sure
[17:51] <schnitz> sure enough
[17:51] <holstein> its just, *I* dont know that. and now you are "pretty sure"
[17:51] <schnitz> oh well :-) This is fun, I like you :-)
[17:51] <holstein> and we are implementing that driver, and i dont have your hardware.. no one from ATI is here, and we dont know that its going to do anything
[17:52] <schnitz> well sorry for that. I'm the kinda quick and dirty guy
[17:52] <schnitz> I'm happy to explain everything in more details .-) ... answer *do* exist
[17:54] <schnitz> OK so the pretty sure thing... I've been trying many Live ISO Linux distributions before I chose UbuntuStudio on this same hardware setup 6 months ago. They ALL managed to bring up a decent resolution and rate.
[17:54] <schnitz> Can't imagine they all had some proprietary ATI driver on board
[17:55] <holstein> sure. so, you can skip that..
[17:55] <schnitz> thats the pretty sure / common sense thing I was getting at...
[17:55] <schnitz> but hunting and deleting xorg.confs seems like a great idea
[17:55] <schnitz> for now, I'll reboot and be back in 1min... thanks so far, you've been great, cu soon :-)
[17:55] <holstein> !xorg
[17:56] <holstein> !xorgconf
[17:56] <holstein> schnitz: *if* you reboot, with a "broken" xorg.conf in place, you can actually not be able to get to the desktop
[17:56] <schnitz> ah
[17:56] <schnitz> good point
[17:56] <schnitz> so better delete them now?
[17:57] <holstein> if there is one..
[17:57] <schnitz> I'll have a look
[17:57] <holstein> and , i'll look at my sources, and make sure i dont have any PPA's that will "break" anything.. and do a quick update
[17:57] <holstein> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[17:57] <holstein> i want to make sure i have the latest kernel.. ill make sure i understand where xorg.conf is, and how to edit it from a live iso, or recovery prompt
[17:58] <holstein> i'll know how to get to grub.. i may even go and unhide it, so i know i can see my older kernels, if the new one doesnt work
[17:59] <schnitz> I understand
[17:59] <schnitz> found it
[17:59] <schnitz> it still exists
[17:59] <schnitz> and opened it
[17:59] <holstein> so, again, i would back it up, and rename, or remove it
[17:59] <schnitz> its still trying to reference aticonfig
[17:59] <schnitz> thanks, will do, of course
[17:59] <schnitz> about the update
[18:00] <schnitz> I've updated to Ustudio 15.04 yesterday
[18:01] <holstein> cool
[18:01] <holstein> i would have removed the proprietary driver *before* that, anyway
[18:03] <schnitz> good point
[18:04] <schnitz> so xorg.conf is removed. Now I shall reboot
[18:04] <schnitz> cu soon
[18:07] <schnitz> oh well :-)
[18:07] <schnitz> now running solid 640&480 at 73Hz yeah:-)
[18:08] <holstein> so, i would just use the open driver, if its meeting your needs
[18:09] <holstein> if not, you can try reinstalling the proprietary one
[18:09] <holstein> cheers..
[18:10] <schnitz> !xorg
[18:10] <schnitz> hmmm....
[18:14] <schnitz> !xorg
[18:41] <Samul`> hi guys
[18:42] <Samul`> I need a piece of software which allows me to play live the input from a usb mic (so a mixer), but with support for plugins and effects
[18:42] <Samul`> is there any?
[18:42] <Samul`> I've tried a couple but they were either unstable or I didn't like them
[19:16] <holstein> Samul`: yes
[19:16] <holstein> Samul`: there is simply a jack mixer
[19:16] <holstein> !info jack-mixer
[19:17] <holstein> you can set it up, and then route that to a plugin host, or route to standalone jack plugins..
[19:17] <holstein> you can always just route live through something like ardour, or qtractor, as well.. but ,that will likely be overkill
[19:17] <holstein> use #opensourcemusicians when its slow here
[19:18] <Samul`> okay thank you very much man
[19:18] <holstein> !info zynjacku
[19:19] <holstein> for example ^
[19:20] <Samul`> sounds good
[19:21] <Samul`> I'll take a look, thank you again :)
[19:23] <Samul`> ubottu: I installed jack-mixer, but it isn't clear to me how to use LV2 plugins on output
[19:23] <Samul`> oops
[19:23] <Samul`> I failed to tab you, holstein
[19:23] <Samul`> ^^"
[19:23] <holstein> Samul`: should have a manual
[19:24] <holstein> but, i would expect to launch and start jack, have is table
[19:24] <holstein> stable*
[19:24] <Samul`> yeah, did it
[19:24] <holstein> then, i would launch and setup a simple plug with the mixer.. jack-mixer
[19:24] <holstein> then, i would route that to a plugin host
[19:24] <Samul`> and I properly set it up so that input mic results in speaker output
[19:24] <holstein> sure
[19:24] <Samul`> but I cannot figure out how to use plugins
[19:24] <holstein> none of that matters
[19:24] <holstein> remove that from the equation
[19:25] <Samul`> oh, I was expecting it to have a built-in plugin manager
[19:25] <holstein> play a simple audio file, in an audio player.. route that through the mixer, and try implemting plugins til it works
[19:25] <holstein> Samul`: there are many
[19:25] <Samul`> no I mean
[19:25] <holstein> Samul`: you can try that one i suggested for lv2's.. or, you can try using ardour/qractor
[19:25] <Samul`> I have to use plugins on the mic
[19:25] <holstein> or you can try one of the other hosts
[19:25] <Samul`> live
[19:25] <holstein> Samul`: sure, friend.. i understand what you want in the end
[19:26] <holstein> but, you *dont* have to do that right now
[19:26] <holstein> you can simply do that with a simple audio file playing in an audio player
[19:26] <holstein> but, do what you like
[19:26] <Samul`> okay so, I have ardour installed on my computer
[19:26] <holstein> im saying, get the plugin host working
[19:26] <holstein> it doenst have to be with the mic input
[19:26] <Samul`> I don't know how, this is the first time I've had to do something like this
[19:26] <holstein> Samul`:  cool. simply spend some time, then, learning to route signal in jack
[19:26] <Samul`> how can I do this through ardour?
[19:27] <holstein> under "connect" in "qjackctl" or one of the other connection managers
[19:27] <Samul`> I know how to route, actually, but I have never had to use plugins with it
[19:27] <holstein> Samul`: using ardour as the plugin host
[19:27] <Samul`> I've always had my track in ardour, and the plugins were applied to it
[19:27] <holstein> Samul`: route through a plugin host..
[19:28] <Samul`> but if I connect the mic in to ardour track, won't it just record it?
[19:28] <holstein> no need to use the mic, right now
[19:28] <holstein> you can simply import an audio track there.. and test with it
[19:28] <holstein> i understand the final goal is "mic to effect to speaker"
[19:28] <holstein> but, there is no need to do that right now
[19:28] <holstein> you can just test  "effect to speaker" with something easier
[19:28] <Samul`> I already know which plugins to use and how to use them, so what is the purpose of using plugins on an audio track?
[19:28] <holstein> Samul`: do what yo like, friend
[19:28] <Samul`> no I mean
[19:29] <Samul`> does it even have a purpose?
[19:29] <holstein> i would route my mic to a plugin host.. select my plugin, and test my route
[19:29] <holstein> Samul`: yes.. simplifying the route, for testing
[19:29] <Samul`> but what on the earth is a plugin host?
[19:29] <Samul`> isn't ardour a daw?
[19:29] <holstein> Samul`: inn this case, you are using ardour to host
[19:29] <holstein> Samul`: you can use zynjacku
[19:29] <Samul`> in which way? what does the mic in have to be connected to?
[19:30] <holstein> Samul`: to the plugin you want it to me using
[19:30] <holstein> Samul`: you are asking how to route the mic to an effect then to the speaker
[19:30] <Samul`> but if I use jack to route things, I only have the tracks in my ardour session
[19:30] <holstein> so, you route the mic to a plugin host, and load the effect you want
[19:30] <Samul`> don't know how to route it to "a plugin"
[19:31] <holstein> Samul`: you route to a track, apply effects/plugin, and they will come out of ardour
[19:31] <holstein> no need to record, in this case.. since, you are not trying to record the signal..
[19:31] <Samul`> then I connect the track to system playback?
[19:31] <holstein> the track or ardour's out.. whatever is carrying the signal you want to hear in the speaker
[19:32] <holstein> should be fine with just that track out.. using ardour as a host for the plugin you are applying
[19:32] <Samul`> ooh now I freaking understand it!!
[19:32] <Samul`> thank you so much
[19:32] <Samul`> lemme try so
[19:32] <holstein> though, its overkill to use ardour for that.. so you can swap something else lighter in for ardour
[19:34] <Samul`> sure, but the big deal was to understand the concept—how it works
[19:34] <holstein> !info jack-rack
[19:34] <holstein> thats the other one i havfe used in the pase ^
[19:34] <holstein> past*
[19:34] <Samul`> sure enough I'll take a look soon
[20:17] <kris27mc> I'm attempting to install Spotify but I need libgcrypt.so.11
[20:17] <Unit193> !find libgcrypt.so.11
[20:18] <kris27mc> It's not in the Canonical repo. So I need a safe source
[20:18] <kris27mc> There's a newer version called "libgcrypt.so.20"
[20:18] <kris27mc> But it's incompatible with Spotify
[20:18] <Unit193> libgcrypt20 is the up to date package, yes.
[20:19] <kris27mc> Would it be safe to add an old Canonical repo? Like from Trusty?
[20:39] <holstein> kris27mc: adding any source, really isnt "safe"
[20:39] <holstein> if anything, i would cherry-pick a deb, and know how to remove it..
[20:39] <holstein> you cant just stream spotify? maybe run the andoid version in a browser?
[20:40] <Unit193> Or get a newer version.
[21:58] <guest-A2QGz1> sudo dmidecode --type memory
[22:28] <schnitz> rehi
[23:03]  * LikeVinyl is away: "no hay wifi, hablen entre uds."