=== sentient is now known as Guest28416 [00:04] hi how to make bootable usb kubuntu 15.04 [00:37] got a workaround on the kubuntuforums [01:04] i'm getting "Cannot mix incompatible Qt library " during Dropbox installation [01:44] Hello [01:44] Is it possible to install KDE4 on Kubuntu 15.04? === nexia is now known as notnexia === notnexia is now known as nexia === Yukkii is now known as NotYukkii === NotYukkii is now known as Yukkii === drawkward_away is now known as drawkward === dishant is now known as dish_ant === Yukkii is now known as Dhs92 [08:08] in kde5.2 (is this the right channel?) is there a way to search for applications first rather than files in the "start menu" ? [08:09] hmm nevermind [08:09] Good morning. [08:09] i was looking for software center but it's named something different when searching for it [08:10] CapsAdmin: It's called Muon under Kubuntu ;) [08:11] yeah but it's called "Software Center" under applications > settings [08:11] or at least mainly :p [08:11] says muon below [08:19] is there a simple plasma 5 widget that can show the cpu temperature on the panel? === Dhs92 is now known as Yukitteru === Yukitteru is now known as Yukkii === Yukkii is now known as Dhs92 === drawkward is now known as drawkward_away === zztopless_ is now known as zztopless [09:08] hello i am using netrunner 16 and kwin crahes when playing openspades but drkonqi doesn't show up although there is a process, so I can't report bug, what to do? Sorry for the broken english. === Dhs92 is now known as Yukitteru === ivanp is now known as Guest57004 [09:11] gangsta: Netrunner is not supported here. Seek help in #kwin or #kde or Netrunners own channel ;) [09:11] ok thank you === drawkward_away is now known as drawkward [09:38] hi there [09:38] kubuntu will adopt Calamares like the Netrunner editons ? [09:38] and a dotzen of other distros ? :D [09:48] mmm, Calamares. [09:48] Isn't that a kind of squid? [09:48] We're talking food or proxy servers here? === drawkward is now known as drawkward_away === Malsasa_ is now known as Malsasa === bukai__ is now known as bukai [10:44] hi peeps [10:52] Hey xennex81 [10:56] how are you? [10:58] Doing good. Got my server back up and running. [10:58] nice [10:59] It was annoying, lvm somehow decided a couple lv's were partial... [11:00] Plus side, I now have plenty of free space :) [11:03] :) [11:03] partial? [11:04] For the root-lv I can understand it, a drive failed. The root-lv was mirrored. But for the other lv's I didn't understand it. All the data was there. [11:05] you mean in a raid setting? [11:05] xennex81: Yes, lvm can do raid. [11:05] I don't know how LVM works with multiple drives [11:06] ok [11:06] It pretty much uses mdraid for the raid configs. [11:06] ok, I just have a debian box with raid but it is just multiple partitions, no LVM [11:07] LVM is awesome :) [11:07] I know :) [11:07] It is lovely to be able to remove and create volumes at will. [11:08] Exactly ;) [11:16] it is usually a pointless thing to do [11:16] What is? === Yukitteru is now known as Yukkii [11:19] alvin: its a distribution independend installer, financed by bluesystems ;) [11:19] http://calamares.io/ [11:19] Oh, fine. Never understood what's wrong with the Debian installer though. Does it support UEFI? (Netrunner does not) [11:20] yes [11:20] even automatic partitioning with uefi now [11:20] ok. And maybe even encrypted LVM with logical volumes of you choice instead of 1 big root? [11:20] Kogaion, KaOS, both Netrunner Versions (Kubuntu and Manjaro), Manjaro itself, Tanglu, BBQLinux, Chakra, Kannolo, OpenMandriva, [11:20] MauiOS and probably ROSA choose to use it as there (upcoming) installer, PCLinuxOS and Sabayon consider it as well. [11:20] ShalokShalom: If Kubuntu stays Kubuntu I think we'll see Ubiquity for quite some time. [11:20] alvin: not yet, afaik [11:20] ah, ok :) [11:21] thought a Qt installer for a qt distro makes sense :) [11:21] It does. I wouldn't mind. I just like the Debian installer just fine. [11:21] lordievader: canonical says that ? :O [11:21] Ubiquity has a Qt frontend, that is what Kubuntu uses. [11:21] aha [11:21] complely gtk free ? [11:21] fine :) [11:21] For as far as I know, yes. [11:21] thanks === drawkward_away is now known as drawkward === Yukkii is now known as Yukkino [11:31] in kubuntu 15 i tried to assign some shortcuts but reset the settings to default but now it seems like a lot of shortcuts went poof [11:34] also when i click reset in the shortcut settings it duplicates all the propertiers [11:34] alt tab isn't working anymore and ctrl s in kate says all the shortcuts are ambiguous [12:01] you know I'm actually happy to let other people work out the bugs until I step into Kubuntu 15 ;-) [12:02] i think "poor souls" ;D [12:03] i just ran into one bug just one, in Kubuntu 14.10 the option to add additional file types does not work (in Dolphin) I have tried to add a .tc filetype for truecrypt containers, but alas. [12:09] I've added the file association, it is definitely there, and yet Dolphin doesn't show it === gangsta is now known as anapodos [12:13] oh it required a log-out [12:13] I have my file association now [12:19] I just run TrueCrypt from a desktop icon and I have it set to always run as root, this way it even retains the mounts during logout and it handles the permissions perfectly [12:20] it just mounts them under my user [12:20] the only reason I use Kubuntu is because it looks so nice :P :P >D [12:22] xennex81: so the only reason, why you use kubuntu, is plasma [12:22] well it is pleasant to hang around in this system when it looks so nice [12:23] compared to windows [12:24] only the truecrypt icon offends, it is written for gnome and the icon doesn't display a transparent background [12:24] it tries to use Nautilus when I want to open a share [12:25] Nautilus doesn't work well in Kubuntu [12:28] it is default ? [12:28] I feel everything should just move to Kubuntu/KDE in terms of app development [12:28] this icon = [12:28] ? [12:28] xennex81: yep :D [12:28] much does [12:28] at least to qt [12:28] it is no worth to keep doing Gnome etc. [12:28] yeah [12:28] at least 10 apps and 2 DEs switch to it [12:28] ok [12:29] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ON0A1dsQOV0 [12:31] nice thanks [12:32] I've done a *very little bit* of GTK programming just to try it out [12:32] with Python, pygtk2 [12:35] it was very hard [12:35] i still want to continue it [12:36] yep :) [12:36] watch the video, it change my mind [12:37] he isnt the only one and to port a app from one toolkit to the other means a great effort :) [12:37] so they do it for a reason, imho [12:37] yeah [12:39] the pygtk documentation was ripped from the C documentation but only incompletely [12:39] ah, ok [12:39] nice to know [12:39] so I couldn't really find out why something worked the way it did (or didn't work the way it should have) until I read the C source code to GTK or PyGTK [12:39] i guess the compatibility for other plattforms and the resulting support by more devs is another pro [12:41] the difficult thing about Qt is that I do not only need to learn C++, but also a complete programming framework [12:41] xennex81: why do you need to learn C++ ? [12:42] write it in each language you will [12:42] I don't know, are there good python wrappers etc? Okay [12:42] javascript is also officialy supported [12:42] okay [12:42] xennex81: yes [12:42] it just feels very C++ to me [12:42] yep [12:42] i prefer python as well :) [12:42] "C++ written by monkeys high on crack" [12:43] calamares, the upcoming distro agnostic installer framework, is also written in python and C++ with qt5 [12:43] xennex81: haha, yeah ;) [12:43] Rust will take it to the next level [12:43] :) [12:44] okay sounds good [12:45] i didn't understand, build times went up with qt? [12:45] why you asking ? [12:46] Rust is mozillas language for the servo engine [12:46] improved C++ [12:46] new and written from scratch [12:46] there are even 2 python/qt bindings: PyQt and PySide [12:47] ok [12:47] i mean about the presentation [12:48] model and view system in Qt is pretty much completely broken [12:48] verbosity [12:50] QCreator [12:52] I like how he just speak his truth [12:52] the truth [12:54] xennex81: #qt-creator === administrator is now known as Guest64127 [12:57] it sounds like very hard to do regardless, I was just using Delphi back in the day and it was easy [12:58] xennex81: ah, ok [12:59] Delphi XE is the binding to qt [12:59] there is even a thrid python binding: pythonqt [12:59] maybe also in your interest: Delphi XE [13:00] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OMupnSomHwg [13:01] I'm watching the Wayland vs X thing now [13:04] bbl [13:08] please share me that video then :) [13:13] my desktop crashed i restarted and now it won't start except a window of dolphin was there [13:13] as if i killed the startmenu sonehow and its remembering that it was closed before restart [13:13] how would i start it again? [13:24] test [13:24] ping [13:24] ok so on 15 my whole desktop dissapeared [13:25] it launched a dolphin instance (since that's what i had last up) before restart and from there i managed to launch konversation and chromium [13:26] more specifically the task bar and the destkop activity thing (i had it set to folder) [13:28] welcome to the world of kubuntu :P [13:29] lol [13:30] ShalokShalom: 15 seemed suprisngly unstable but other than all the bugs im running into it seems very sleek [13:30] suprisingly ? [13:30] its, as always, a dev edition [13:30] and ships 2 new heavy features/changes [13:31] not only the complete plasma 5 including wayland and xwayland [13:31] also systemd [13:31] i was on debian 8 with kde 4 before and wanted to see what kde 5 was like [13:31] Hello all [13:32] ShalokShalom: so i went to kubuntu.org [13:32] "Kubuntu 15.04 — Latest Release, Stable and Supported" [13:33] CapsAdmin: if you want to see plasma 5, i can share you a link :) [13:33] BluesKaj: hi [13:33] 15 is not plasma 5? [13:33] kubuntu 15.04 [13:34] it is [13:34] Hi ShalokShalom [13:34] there are other distros, who ship it [13:34] ah [13:34] well the drivers and what nto seem fine [13:34] plasma 5 and KF5 [13:35] most of the issues i've run into are from the desktop environment i think [13:35] so right now i have no task bar, it went poof after installing synaptic [13:36] shortcuts in general seem broken after defaulting them [13:36] the software center is kind of annoying to use because the search freezes a lot [13:36] as if it's blocking [13:37] my laptop is kinda old though [13:37] plasmashell constantly crashing ...after a few days of working. [13:37] CapsAdmin: private message [13:38] I just did i3. [13:38] nexia: stable here since months [13:38] ShalokShalom: funny it didn't really work for me again, constant plasmashell crashing. "segmentation fault" IIRC [13:39] google search history: Executable: plasmashell PID: 1572 Signal: Segmentation fault (11) [13:39] so yeah :| [13:40] in KaOS [13:40] upgrade to plasma 5.3 fixes a lot of problems, http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2015/04/kde-plasma-5-3-released-heres-how-to-upgrade-in-kubuntu-15-04 [13:41] nexia,^ [13:42] thanks ill try that [13:43] :) === drawkward is now known as drawkward_away [13:43] 5.3.1 is out ? [13:43] not packages yet ? [13:43] packaged [14:41] hi all. I did install new plasma packeges from backports. Is it the newest possible version of plasma I can get? [14:41] is it 5.3 ? [14:41] hi [14:41] 5.3.1 is out, i guess its not packaged [14:41] CapsAdmin: work it for you ? [14:41] :) [14:41] BluesKaj: hey, thanks, didn't know that [14:42] It was in staging... hasn't it landed in backports? [14:42] it did update i think but i'm still stuck without any desktop [14:42] It = 5.3.1 [14:42] so newest, yes [14:42] Kubuntu 14.04 - running updater ... keeps hanging at "waiting for configuration file" ... just sits there ... any ideas? [14:42] CapsAdmin: Is plasma-desktop running? [14:42] i don't think so [14:42] how do i start it? [14:42] it's kinda like on windows if you kill explorer.exe [14:43] it's probably easy to start but i have no idea how [14:43] CapsAdmin: Drop to a tty to check if it is running. (ctr + alt + f1, ctrl + alt +f7 to return) [14:43] how do i check if it's running? [14:43] (i'm not a linux expert really) [14:44] i tend to just stick to using gui except when i need to build stuff [14:44] CapsAdmin: ps aux|grep plasma-desktop [14:44] I don't know how to see processes either, or at least I don't remember heh. (I use ctrl+alt+f1 frequently though) [14:44] ah..ps ofc [14:45] plasmashell is running [14:45] i used ksysguard [14:46] CapsAdmin: Do you have a tool bar? [14:46] the thing is when i start my laptop there's a dolphin window where i use f4 to get the terminal for the current folder and start stuff from there [14:46] i don't, ican't right click on desktop either [14:46] there's a screen edge thing though in the upper left corner [14:47] CapsAdmin: Are you using the opengl backend of kwin? [14:47] i think so. i installed the nvidia drivers [14:47] i also get the nvidia logo [14:48] just to be clear i can use the desktop it's just that the taskbar and desktop folder behind it is completely gone [14:48] i'm using konversation on it right now [14:48] CapsAdmin: Try if the xrender backend does give you a wallpaper. [14:49] Kubuntu 14.04 - running software updater (muon, I think) ... keeps hanging at "waiting for configuration file" ... just sits there ... any ideas? [14:49] lordievader: i can launch an opengl 3.3 application i've developed if that gives you any clues [14:50] how do i switch the backend though? [14:52] CapsAdmin: Through the systemsettings somewhere. (They moved things around is somewhere under display settings now) [14:52] what's the name of the desktop? like if i type konversation in terminal it launches konversation, what's the name for the desktop itself? [14:52] taskbar/launcher and desktop [14:53] no such command as systemsettings or system-settings [14:55] CapsAdmin: Plasma [14:55] Plasma5 to be precise. [14:55] CapsAdmin, lookin in the kmenu >appls>settings [14:56] plasmapkg plasma-remote-helper plasmawindowed [14:56] plasmapkg2 plasmashell [14:56] those autocomplete when i type plasma*TAB* [14:56] CapsAdmin: It is the name of the desktop, not of a command. [14:56] i'm asking for commands because id on't have a desktop (for some reason) [14:56] i'm not sure if you understand my issue lol [14:56] probably unusual [14:57] Meh, it happens. [14:57] ok so just to recap, i installed synaptic and after that was done plasma crashed and dissapeared leaving only the windows up [14:57] i restarted and it was still gone [14:58] the plasma desktop or whatever has crashed a lot really so idk if it was because i installed synaptic [14:58] does that make more sense? [14:59] so my background is black but i see the wndows and such fine but i have to launch everything through a terminal [14:59] cause the launcher is gone [15:03] CapsAdmin, next time install muon [15:03] what's that? [15:03] CapsAdmin: Do you have the issue too with a new user? [15:03] hmm i'm not sure how to create a new user [15:03] at least not with bash [15:03] it'' a replacemnt for synaptic [15:03] how can i open system settings from bash? [15:03] ah okay, qt based i guess? [15:04] kdesudo systemsettings5 [15:04] CapsAdmin: man useradd [15:04] BluesKaj: thnaks [15:05] CapsAdmin, or use krunner , alt+f2 , type systemsetings [15:05] with 2 ts of course [15:06] alt + f2 doesn't do anything [15:06] maybe it requires the destkop [15:07] oops [15:07] yes it does, doh! [15:07] No it doesn't, just krunner. [15:08] oh that thing [15:08] why not just drop to a VT/TTY, ctl+alt+f1-f6 and update and upgrade after removing synaptic [15:08] nothing seems to hapepn whatever i type in it [15:09] if i press enter it doesn't do anything [15:09] i'll try that [15:09] the system settings seem kinda broken [15:09] no icons [15:10] ok, sounds like you're left with only a partial installation [15:10] Hello. Running Kubuntu 14.04 - running software updater (muon, I think) ... keeps hanging at "waiting for configuration file" ... just sits there ... any ideas? [15:11] i can probably just reinstall but im kinda curious [15:11] CapsAdmin: Reinstall the plasma-desktop package. [15:11] alright [15:11] CapsAdmin, think update, upgrade, and dist-upgrade will be enough [15:22] that didn't work etiher [15:22] hmm [15:22] i didn't try adding a new user though [15:22] CapsAdmin: you have PM [15:22] i'm being auto logged in [15:22] i do? [15:24] i have to go for a bit === crimson is now known as Guest57160 [15:46] Is anyone currently having copy/cut/paste issues with 15.04? === drawkward_away is now known as drawkward === drawkward is now known as drawkward_away [16:19] CapsAdmin: So try it ;) === EvilRoey is now known as SecurityPizza === SecurityPizza is now known as EvilRoey [16:40] back [16:40] lordievader: try what? [16:40] CapsAdmin: The new user, see if that has the same problem. [16:40] oh right [16:49] hi. i'm using kubuntu 14.04 and if I connect to ssh servers using dolphin (sftp:// or fish://) I can open the files, but when I edit and save them for example in kate or geany, it doesn't get re-uploaded. only when I close the editor, it asks if the file should get re-uploaded again. is there a possibility to re-upload the file directly on saving the file? [16:54] seems like creating a new user got me further. i got a background and a black taskbar for a bit and then it went black and i had to log out (ctrl alt del worked) [17:04] i think i'll just reinstall and do an immdeate update to 5.3 [17:12] Hello. Running Kubuntu 14.04 - running software updater (muon, I think) ... keeps hanging at "waiting for configuration file" ... just sits there ... any ideas? [17:22] mr-rich, are upgrading to 14.10? if so disable the updater LTS only option === kubuntu is now known as kubuntu_ [17:29] всем привет [17:33] !ua | kubuntu_ [17:38] !ua | EvilRoey [17:39] ahhh that's an interesting facility, thanks BluesKaj [17:39] !thanks | BluesKaj [17:39] BluesKaj: You're welcome! But keep in mind I'm just a bot ;-) [17:39] eee ^_^ [17:44] !укр [18:22] is there a simple plasma 5 widget that can show the cpu temperature on the panel? [19:01] This one http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php/CPU+temperature+meter?content=159200 claims to work with Plasma 5. I don't need one, I just listen to the fan while my daughter plays minecraft. [19:01] mparillo: thanks, I'll check it out :-) [19:03] If I need such a thing it is usually lm-sensors in a terminal somewhere. === mw is now known as aethersis === berti_ is now known as albert_schaeffer [19:26] BluesKaj: no ... sticking with LTS ... just trying to update ... [19:30] mr-rich, then check your sources.list, there must be a mirror that's blocking [19:31] for some reason the energy savings panel stopped working [19:32] and I can't start the power management service [19:32] "unable to start server powerdevil" [19:33] can I start it from the cli to see debug messages? [19:37] http://paste.ubuntu.com/11698153/ [19:38] эу === chef is now known as Guest29424 [19:50] mparillo, I tried to install cpu-tempearture-meter with plasmapkg -i after extracting , but no luck , altho the plasmapkger says it was successfully installed, altho the widget installer sees the package and it seems to finish, the cpu-temp doesn't show up ion the widgets list [19:52] on 15.10, maybe it works on 15.04 plsama 5.3 [19:52] i had the same issue with a plasma widget today [19:54] heeen, 15.10 or 15.04? [19:54] wily werewolf [19:54] what is that again [19:54] 15.10 [19:55] wily is 15.10 [19:59] hm no missing libraries it seems [20:00] after installing latest kubuntu and then immideatly updating to 5.3 by adding the ppa thing reboot and then installing the nvidia drivers recommended the desktop is gone again [20:00] alt f2 and such works though (so i launched konversation from that) [20:00] at least alt tab and shortcuts work now :p [20:01] anyone know how I can get some output from powerdevil [20:01] like why it could not be loaded [20:01] capsadmin,the nvidia-340 recommended ? [20:02] yeah [20:02] i have a 130m, though it doesn't seem like it's a driver issue [20:02] or well idk much about linux but i wouldn't guess that it would be [20:02] the desktop is smooth it's just the plasma thing isn't running [20:03] my desktop crashes now and then ,but returns in about 5secs, nvidia-340 here as well [20:03] i can launch webgl experiments and such in firefox [20:03] but I'm on 15.10 [20:04] earlier before upgrading to kde 5.3 my desktop would crash every now and then too [20:04] are tehre any logs i (or someone else ) can look at? [20:04] yeah doubt thet it's a driver issue , but it's usually the first thing to check with desktop and graphics probs [20:05] /var/log/syslog [20:06] the system section in KSystemLog is a gui interface for that? [20:07] W: Failed to fetch http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/backports/ubuntu/dists/wily/main/binary-amd64/Packages 404 Not Found [20:07] whats wrong here [20:12] hm only for vivid [20:18] heeen, the ppas for kubuntu 15.10 are still in the kubuntu-next staging ppas, like this one https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ubuntu/next-staging [20:20] BluesKaj: what is the uri I can paste into muon for that [20:20] ppa:something [20:20] !staging [20:20] Hm [20:21] and this https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ubuntu/next-stage2 [20:21] it says don't use... [20:22] lol [20:22] well well [20:22] just installed kubuntu [20:22] heeen, click at the" technical detal' [20:23] trying out linux world coming from a life of Windoes :) [20:24] heeen, well, that's for users who want more stability , but if you want to test the latest packages and upgrades to those packages , those are ppas you need ,and you can find out more at #kubuntu-devel [20:24] so; i'd like to setup a local LAMP, but I already seem to have mysql for Akonadi purposes [20:25] BluesKaj: how hard would it be to downgrade [20:25] if something fails [20:25] !lamp | regedit [20:25] regedit: LAMP is an acronym for Linux-Apache-MySQL-PHP. However, the term is often used for setups using alternative but different software, such as Perl or Python instead of PHP, and Postgres instead of MySQL. For help with setting up LAMP on Ubuntu, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP - See also the Server CD installation process. [20:26] BluesKaj: thanks, I hope it covers how to deal with Akonadi's mysql [20:27] regedit, http://techtutorials.wikia.com/wiki/Kubuntu_Installing_LAMP [20:29] heeen, well if you're worried and m=need more stability just don't install from those ppas [20:30] BluesKaj: still doesn't seem to take into account akonadi... maybe it's not an issue? [20:32] regedit, sory i don't use konadi , and I'm not sure if it supports lamp [20:32] akonadi that is [20:32] is the only option in alt f2 > system settings > desktop behavior > workspace "show informational tips" ? [20:33] i could've sworn that's where i changed my desktop to be a folder earlier [20:33] (i'm still having the issue where the desktop is gone but everything else works fine) [20:33] BluesKaj: well it's not really related to Lamp, but it doea have its own mysql server already installed & running off its own data folder [20:33] *does [20:34] BluesKaj: which seems problematic if i want to have a "generic" mysql running for like web purposes [20:35] in my offline documentation i have no workspace documentation either lol [20:35] it says "Documentation not Found" [20:35] so i'm guessing i'm missing the workspace component of kde5? [20:36] yeah , regedit , akonadi is strictly for PIM Personal Information Management storage service , quote "It provides a common framework for applications to store and access mail, calendars, addressbooks, and other PIM data." === fernando is now known as ek0llogy === ek0llogy is now known as virtman7 [20:37] capsadmin, are you installing ubuntu then adding KDE/kubuntu-desktop afterwards? === Yukkino is now known as Dhs92 [20:38] i installed latest kubuntu from the website and after that i added the ppa stuff to update to latest kde and then installed the recommended nvidia drivers [20:38] i'm going to guess/assume i can install mysql proper regardless of akonadi's mysql, let's see what happens... [20:39] i got the same issue before but that was even before i tried the latest kde from the ppa thing [20:39] i wanted to try and install latest from the ppa thing to see if that resolved it earlier but it didn't [20:40] i ran this: [20:40] sudo add-apt-repository ppa:kubuntu-ppa/backports [20:40]