[00:04] <Guest28416> hi how to make bootable usb kubuntu 15.04
[00:37] <thelionroars> got a workaround on the kubuntuforums
[01:04] <zenfox_> i'm getting "Cannot mix incompatible Qt library " during Dropbox installation
[01:44] <lnxmen> Hello
[01:44] <lnxmen> Is it possible to install KDE4 on Kubuntu 15.04?
[08:08] <CapsAdmin> in kde5.2 (is this the right channel?) is there a way to search for applications first rather than files in the "start menu" ?
[08:09] <CapsAdmin> hmm nevermind
[08:09] <lordievader> Good morning.
[08:09] <CapsAdmin> i was looking for software center but it's named something different when searching for it
[08:10] <lordievader> CapsAdmin: It's called Muon under Kubuntu ;)
[08:11] <CapsAdmin> yeah but it's called "Software Center" under applications > settings
[08:11] <CapsAdmin> or at least mainly :p
[08:11] <CapsAdmin> says muon below
[08:19] <amichair> is there a simple plasma 5 widget that can show the cpu temperature on the panel?
[09:08] <gangsta> hello i am using netrunner 16 and kwin crahes when playing openspades but drkonqi doesn't show up although there is a process, so I can't report bug, what to do? Sorry for the broken english.
[09:11] <lordievader> gangsta: Netrunner is not supported here. Seek help in #kwin or #kde or Netrunners own channel ;)
[09:11] <gangsta> ok thank you
[09:38] <ShalokShalom> hi there
[09:38] <ShalokShalom> kubuntu will adopt Calamares like the Netrunner editons ?
[09:38] <ShalokShalom> and a dotzen of other distros ? :D
[09:48] <alvin> mmm, Calamares.
[09:48] <alvin> Isn't that a kind of squid?
[09:48] <alvin> We're talking food or proxy servers here?
[10:44] <xennex81> hi peeps
[10:52] <lordievader> Hey xennex81
[10:56] <xennex81> how are you?
[10:58] <lordievader> Doing good. Got my server back up and running.
[10:58] <xennex81> nice
[10:59] <lordievader> It was annoying, lvm somehow decided a couple lv's were partial...
[11:00] <lordievader> Plus side, I now have plenty of free space :)
[11:03] <xennex81> :)
[11:03] <xennex81> partial?
[11:04] <lordievader> For the root-lv I can understand it, a drive failed. The root-lv was mirrored. But for the other lv's I didn't understand it. All the data was there.
[11:05] <xennex81> you mean in a raid setting?
[11:05] <lordievader> xennex81: Yes, lvm can do raid.
[11:05] <xennex81> I don't know how LVM works with multiple drives
[11:06] <xennex81> ok
[11:06] <lordievader> It pretty much uses mdraid for the raid configs.
[11:06] <xennex81> ok, I just have a debian box with raid but it is just multiple partitions, no LVM
[11:07] <lordievader> LVM is awesome :)
[11:07] <xennex81> I know :)
[11:07] <xennex81> It is lovely to be able to remove and create volumes at will.
[11:08] <lordievader> Exactly ;)
[11:16] <Walex2> it is usually a pointless thing to do
[11:16] <lordievader> What is?
[11:19] <ShalokShalom> alvin: its a distribution independend installer, financed by bluesystems ;)
[11:19] <ShalokShalom> http://calamares.io/
[11:19] <alvin> Oh, fine. Never understood what's wrong with the Debian installer though. Does it support UEFI? (Netrunner does not)
[11:20] <ShalokShalom> yes
[11:20] <ShalokShalom> even automatic partitioning with uefi now
[11:20] <alvin> ok. And maybe even encrypted LVM with logical volumes of you choice instead of 1 big root?
[11:20] <ShalokShalom> Kogaion, KaOS, both Netrunner Versions (Kubuntu and Manjaro), Manjaro itself, Tanglu, BBQLinux, Chakra, Kannolo, OpenMandriva,
[11:20] <ShalokShalom> MauiOS and probably ROSA choose to use it as there (upcoming) installer, PCLinuxOS and Sabayon consider it as well.
[11:20] <lordievader> ShalokShalom: If Kubuntu stays Kubuntu I think we'll see Ubiquity for quite some time.
[11:20] <ShalokShalom> alvin: not yet, afaik
[11:20] <ShalokShalom> ah, ok :)
[11:21] <ShalokShalom> thought a Qt installer for a qt distro makes sense :)
[11:21] <alvin> It does. I wouldn't mind. I just like the Debian installer just fine.
[11:21] <ShalokShalom> lordievader: canonical says that ? :O
[11:21] <lordievader> Ubiquity has a Qt frontend, that is what Kubuntu uses.
[11:21] <ShalokShalom> aha
[11:21] <ShalokShalom> complely gtk free ?
[11:21] <ShalokShalom> fine :)
[11:21] <lordievader> For as far as I know, yes.
[11:21] <ShalokShalom> thanks
[11:31] <CapsAdmin> in kubuntu 15  i tried to assign some shortcuts but reset the settings to default but now it seems like a lot of shortcuts went poof
[11:34] <CapsAdmin> also when i click reset in the shortcut settings it duplicates all the propertiers
[11:34] <CapsAdmin> alt tab isn't working anymore and ctrl s in kate says all the shortcuts are ambiguous
[12:01] <xennex81> you know I'm actually happy to let other people work out the bugs until I step into Kubuntu 15 ;-)
[12:02] <xennex81> i think "poor souls" ;D
[12:03] <xennex81> i just ran into one bug just one, in Kubuntu 14.10 the option to add additional file types does not work (in Dolphin) I have tried to add a .tc filetype for truecrypt containers, but alas.
[12:09] <xennex81> I've added the file association, it is definitely there, and yet Dolphin doesn't show it
[12:13] <xennex81> oh it required a log-out
[12:13] <xennex81> I have my file association now
[12:19] <xennex81> I just run TrueCrypt from a desktop icon and I have it set to always run as root, this way it even retains the mounts during logout and it handles the permissions perfectly
[12:20] <xennex81> it just mounts them under my user
[12:20] <xennex81> the only reason I use Kubuntu is because it looks so nice :P :P >D
[12:22] <ShalokShalom> xennex81: so the only reason, why you use kubuntu, is plasma
[12:22] <xennex81> well it is pleasant to hang around in this system when it looks so nice
[12:23] <xennex81> compared to windows
[12:24] <xennex81> only the truecrypt icon offends, it is written for gnome and the icon doesn't display a transparent background
[12:24] <xennex81> it tries to use Nautilus when I want to open a share
[12:25] <xennex81> Nautilus doesn't work well in Kubuntu
[12:28] <ShalokShalom> it is default ?
[12:28] <xennex81> I feel everything should just move to Kubuntu/KDE in terms of app development
[12:28] <ShalokShalom> this icon =
[12:28] <ShalokShalom> ?
[12:28] <ShalokShalom> xennex81: yep :D
[12:28] <ShalokShalom> much does
[12:28] <ShalokShalom> at least to qt
[12:28] <xennex81> it is no worth to keep doing Gnome etc.
[12:28] <xennex81> yeah
[12:28] <ShalokShalom> at least 10 apps and 2 DEs switch to it
[12:28] <xennex81> ok
[12:29] <ShalokShalom> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ON0A1dsQOV0
[12:31] <xennex81> nice thanks
[12:32] <xennex81> I've done a *very little bit* of GTK programming just to try it out
[12:32] <xennex81> with Python, pygtk2
[12:35] <xennex81> it was very hard
[12:35] <xennex81> i still want to continue it
[12:36] <ShalokShalom> yep :)
[12:36] <ShalokShalom> watch the video, it change my mind
[12:37] <ShalokShalom> he isnt the only one and to port a app from one toolkit to the other means a great effort :)
[12:37] <ShalokShalom> so they do it for a reason, imho
[12:37] <xennex81> yeah
[12:39] <xennex81> the pygtk documentation was ripped from the C documentation but only incompletely
[12:39] <ShalokShalom> ah, ok
[12:39] <ShalokShalom> nice to know
[12:39] <xennex81> so I couldn't really find out why something worked the way it did (or didn't work the way it should have) until I read the C source code to GTK or PyGTK
[12:39] <ShalokShalom> i guess the compatibility for other plattforms and the resulting support by more devs is another pro
[12:41] <xennex81> the difficult thing about Qt is that I do not only need to learn C++, but also a complete programming framework
[12:41] <ShalokShalom> xennex81: why do you need to learn C++ ?
[12:42] <ShalokShalom> write it in each language you will
[12:42] <xennex81> I don't know, are there good python wrappers etc? Okay
[12:42] <ShalokShalom> javascript is also officialy supported
[12:42] <xennex81> okay
[12:42] <ShalokShalom> xennex81: yes
[12:42] <xennex81> it just feels very C++ to me
[12:42] <ShalokShalom> yep
[12:42] <ShalokShalom> i prefer python as well :)
[12:42] <xennex81> "C++ written by monkeys high on crack"
[12:43] <ShalokShalom> calamares, the upcoming distro agnostic installer framework, is also written in python and C++ with qt5
[12:43] <ShalokShalom> xennex81: haha, yeah ;)
[12:43] <ShalokShalom> Rust will take it to the next level
[12:43] <ShalokShalom> :)
[12:44] <xennex81> okay sounds good
[12:45] <xennex81> i didn't understand, build times went up with qt?
[12:45] <ShalokShalom> why you asking ?
[12:46] <ShalokShalom> Rust is mozillas language for the servo engine
[12:46] <ShalokShalom> improved C++
[12:46] <ShalokShalom> new and written from scratch
[12:46] <ShalokShalom> there are even 2 python/qt bindings: PyQt and PySide
[12:47] <xennex81> ok
[12:47] <xennex81> i mean about the presentation
[12:48] <xennex81> model and view system in Qt is pretty much completely broken
[12:48] <xennex81> verbosity
[12:50] <xennex81> QCreator
[12:52] <xennex81> I like how he just speak his truth
[12:52] <xennex81> the truth
[12:54] <ShalokShalom> xennex81: #qt-creator
[12:57] <xennex81> it sounds like very hard to do regardless, I was just using Delphi back in the day and it was easy
[12:58] <ShalokShalom> xennex81: ah, ok
[12:59] <ShalokShalom> Delphi XE is the binding to qt
[12:59] <ShalokShalom> there is even a thrid python binding: pythonqt
[12:59] <ShalokShalom> maybe also in your interest: Delphi XE
[13:00] <ShalokShalom> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OMupnSomHwg
[13:01] <xennex81> I'm watching the Wayland vs X thing now
[13:04] <xennex81> bbl
[13:08] <ShalokShalom> please share me that video then :)
[13:13] <capsadmin> my desktop crashed i restarted and now it won't start except a window of dolphin was there
[13:13] <capsadmin> as if i killed the startmenu sonehow and its remembering that it was closed before restart
[13:13] <capsadmin> how would i start it again?
[13:24] <CapsAdmin> test
[13:24] <ShalokShalom> ping
[13:24] <CapsAdmin> ok so on 15 my whole desktop dissapeared
[13:25] <CapsAdmin> it launched a dolphin instance (since that's what i had last up) before restart and from there i managed to launch konversation and chromium
[13:26] <CapsAdmin> more specifically the task bar and the destkop activity thing (i had it set to folder)
[13:28] <ShalokShalom> welcome to the world of kubuntu :P
[13:29] <CapsAdmin> lol
[13:30] <CapsAdmin> ShalokShalom: 15 seemed suprisngly unstable but other than all the bugs im running into it seems very sleek
[13:30] <ShalokShalom> suprisingly ?
[13:30] <ShalokShalom> its, as always, a dev edition
[13:30] <ShalokShalom> and ships 2 new heavy features/changes
[13:31] <ShalokShalom> not only the complete plasma 5 including wayland and xwayland
[13:31] <ShalokShalom> also systemd
[13:31] <CapsAdmin> i was on debian 8 with kde 4 before and wanted to see what kde 5 was like
[13:31] <BluesKaj> Hello all
[13:32] <CapsAdmin> ShalokShalom: so i went to kubuntu.org
[13:32] <CapsAdmin> "Kubuntu 15.04 — Latest Release, Stable and Supported"
[13:33] <ShalokShalom> CapsAdmin: if you want to see plasma 5, i can share you a link :)
[13:33] <ShalokShalom> BluesKaj: hi
[13:33] <CapsAdmin> 15 is not plasma 5?
[13:33] <CapsAdmin> kubuntu 15.04
[13:34] <ShalokShalom> it is
[13:34] <BluesKaj> Hi ShalokShalom
[13:34] <ShalokShalom> there are other distros, who ship it
[13:34] <CapsAdmin> ah
[13:34] <CapsAdmin> well the drivers and what nto seem fine
[13:34] <BluesKaj> plasma 5 and KF5
[13:35] <CapsAdmin> most of the issues i've run into are from the desktop environment i think
[13:35] <CapsAdmin> so right now i have no task bar, it went poof after installing synaptic
[13:36] <CapsAdmin> shortcuts in general seem broken after defaulting them
[13:36] <CapsAdmin> the software center is kind of annoying to use because the search freezes a lot
[13:36] <CapsAdmin> as if it's blocking
[13:37] <CapsAdmin> my laptop is kinda old though
[13:37] <nexia> plasmashell constantly crashing ...after a few days of working.
[13:37] <ShalokShalom> CapsAdmin: private message
[13:38] <nexia> I just did i3.
[13:38] <ShalokShalom> nexia: stable here since months
[13:38] <nexia> ShalokShalom: funny it didn't really work for me again, constant plasmashell crashing. "segmentation fault" IIRC
[13:39] <nexia> google search history: Executable: plasmashell PID: 1572 Signal: Segmentation fault (11)
[13:39] <nexia> so yeah :|
[13:40] <ShalokShalom> in KaOS
[13:40] <BluesKaj> upgrade to plasma 5.3 fixes a lot of problems, http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2015/04/kde-plasma-5-3-released-heres-how-to-upgrade-in-kubuntu-15-04
[13:41] <BluesKaj> nexia,^
[13:42] <CapsAdmin> thanks ill try that
[13:43] <ShalokShalom> :)
[13:43] <ShalokShalom> 5.3.1 is out ?
[13:43] <ShalokShalom> not packages yet ?
[13:43] <ShalokShalom> packaged
[14:41] <ejay> hi all. I did install new plasma packeges from backports. Is it the newest possible version of plasma I can get?
[14:41] <ShalokShalom> is it 5.3 ?
[14:41] <CapsAdmin> hi
[14:41] <ShalokShalom> 5.3.1 is out, i guess its not packaged
[14:41] <ShalokShalom> CapsAdmin: work it for you ?
[14:41] <ShalokShalom> :)
[14:41] <nexia> BluesKaj: hey, thanks, didn't know that
[14:42] <lordievader> It was in staging... hasn't it landed in backports?
[14:42] <CapsAdmin> it did update i think but i'm still stuck without any desktop
[14:42] <lordievader> It = 5.3.1
[14:42] <ShalokShalom> so newest, yes
[14:42] <mr-rich> Kubuntu 14.04 - running updater ... keeps hanging at "waiting for configuration file" ... just sits there ... any ideas?
[14:42] <lordievader> CapsAdmin: Is plasma-desktop running?
[14:42] <CapsAdmin> i don't think so
[14:42] <CapsAdmin> how do i start it?
[14:42] <CapsAdmin> it's kinda like on windows if you kill explorer.exe
[14:43] <CapsAdmin> it's probably easy to start but i have no idea how
[14:43] <lordievader> CapsAdmin: Drop to a tty to check if it is running. (ctr + alt + f1, ctrl + alt +f7 to return)
[14:43] <CapsAdmin> how do i check if it's running?
[14:43] <CapsAdmin> (i'm not a linux expert really)
[14:44] <CapsAdmin> i tend to just stick to using gui except when i need to build stuff
[14:44] <lordievader> CapsAdmin: ps aux|grep plasma-desktop
[14:44] <nexia> I don't know how to see processes either, or at least I don't remember heh. (I use ctrl+alt+f1 frequently though)
[14:44] <nexia> ah..ps ofc
[14:45] <CapsAdmin> plasmashell is running
[14:45] <CapsAdmin> i used ksysguard
[14:46] <lordievader> CapsAdmin: Do you have a tool bar?
[14:46] <CapsAdmin> the thing is when i start my laptop there's a dolphin window where i use f4 to get the terminal for the current folder and start stuff from there
[14:46] <CapsAdmin> i don't, ican't right click on desktop either
[14:46] <CapsAdmin> there's a screen edge thing though in the upper left corner
[14:47] <lordievader> CapsAdmin: Are you using the opengl backend of kwin?
[14:47] <CapsAdmin> i think so. i installed the nvidia drivers
[14:47] <CapsAdmin> i also get the nvidia logo
[14:48] <CapsAdmin> just to be clear i can use the desktop it's just that the taskbar and desktop folder behind it is completely gone
[14:48] <CapsAdmin> i'm using konversation on it right now
[14:48] <lordievader> CapsAdmin: Try if the xrender backend does give you a wallpaper.
[14:49] <mr-rich> Kubuntu 14.04 - running software updater (muon, I think) ... keeps hanging at "waiting for configuration file" ... just sits there ... any ideas?
[14:49] <CapsAdmin> lordievader: i can launch an opengl 3.3 application i've developed if that gives you any clues
[14:50] <CapsAdmin> how do i switch the backend though?
[14:52] <lordievader> CapsAdmin: Through the systemsettings somewhere. (They moved things around is somewhere under display settings now)
[14:52] <CapsAdmin> what's the name of the desktop? like if i type konversation in terminal it launches konversation, what's the name for the desktop itself?
[14:52] <CapsAdmin> taskbar/launcher and desktop
[14:53] <CapsAdmin> no such command as systemsettings or system-settings
[14:55] <lordievader> CapsAdmin: Plasma
[14:55] <lordievader> Plasma5 to be precise.
[14:55] <BluesKaj> CapsAdmin, lookin in the kmenu >appls>settings
[14:56] <CapsAdmin> plasmapkg             plasma-remote-helper  plasmawindowed
[14:56] <CapsAdmin> plasmapkg2            plasmashell
[14:56] <CapsAdmin> those autocomplete when i type plasma*TAB*
[14:56] <lordievader> CapsAdmin: It is the name of the desktop, not of a command.
[14:56] <CapsAdmin> i'm asking for commands because id on't have a desktop (for some reason)
[14:56] <CapsAdmin> i'm not sure if you understand my issue lol
[14:56] <CapsAdmin> probably unusual
[14:57] <lordievader> Meh, it happens.
[14:57] <CapsAdmin> ok so just to recap, i installed synaptic and after that was done plasma crashed and dissapeared leaving only the windows up
[14:57] <CapsAdmin> i restarted and it was still gone
[14:58] <CapsAdmin> the plasma desktop or whatever has crashed a lot really so idk if it was because i installed synaptic
[14:58] <CapsAdmin> does that make more sense?
[14:59] <CapsAdmin> so my background is black but i see the wndows and such fine but i have to launch everything through a terminal
[14:59] <CapsAdmin> cause the launcher is gone
[15:03] <BluesKaj> CapsAdmin, next time install muon
[15:03] <CapsAdmin> what's that?
[15:03] <lordievader> CapsAdmin: Do you have the issue too with a new user?
[15:03] <CapsAdmin> hmm i'm not sure how to create a new user
[15:03] <CapsAdmin> at least not with bash
[15:03] <BluesKaj> it'' a replacemnt for synaptic
[15:03] <CapsAdmin> how can i open system settings from bash?
[15:03] <CapsAdmin> ah okay, qt based i guess?
[15:04] <BluesKaj> kdesudo systemsettings5
[15:04] <lordievader> CapsAdmin: man useradd
[15:04] <CapsAdmin> BluesKaj: thnaks
[15:05] <BluesKaj> CapsAdmin, or use krunner , alt+f2 , type systemsetings
[15:05] <BluesKaj> with 2 ts of course
[15:06] <CapsAdmin> alt + f2 doesn't do anything
[15:06] <CapsAdmin> maybe it requires the destkop
[15:07] <BluesKaj> oops
[15:07] <BluesKaj> yes it does, doh!
[15:07] <lordievader> No it doesn't, just krunner.
[15:08] <CapsAdmin> oh that thing
[15:08] <BluesKaj> why not just drop to a VT/TTY, ctl+alt+f1-f6  and update and upgrade after removing synaptic
[15:08] <CapsAdmin> nothing seems to hapepn whatever i type in it
[15:09] <CapsAdmin> if i press enter it doesn't do anything
[15:09] <CapsAdmin> i'll try that
[15:09] <CapsAdmin> the system settings seem kinda broken
[15:09] <CapsAdmin> no icons
[15:10] <BluesKaj> ok, sounds like you're left with only a partial installation
[15:10] <mr-rich> Hello. Running Kubuntu 14.04 - running software updater (muon, I think) ... keeps hanging at "waiting for configuration file" ... just sits there ... any ideas?
[15:11] <CapsAdmin> i can probably just reinstall but im kinda curious
[15:11] <lordievader> CapsAdmin: Reinstall the plasma-desktop package.
[15:11] <CapsAdmin> alright
[15:11] <BluesKaj> CapsAdmin, think update, upgrade, and dist-upgrade will be enough
[15:22] <CapsAdmin> that didn't work etiher
[15:22] <CapsAdmin> hmm
[15:22] <CapsAdmin> i didn't try adding a new user though
[15:22] <ShalokShalom> CapsAdmin: you have PM
[15:22] <CapsAdmin> i'm being auto logged in
[15:22] <CapsAdmin> i do?
[15:24] <CapsAdmin> i have to go for a bit
[15:46] <crimson_> Is anyone currently having copy/cut/paste issues with 15.04?
[16:19] <lordievader> CapsAdmin: So try it ;)
[16:40] <CapsAdmin> back
[16:40] <CapsAdmin> lordievader: try what?
[16:40] <lordievader> CapsAdmin: The new user, see if that has the same problem.
[16:40] <CapsAdmin> oh right
[16:49] <artlu> hi. i'm using kubuntu 14.04 and if I connect to ssh servers using dolphin (sftp:// or fish://) I can open the files, but when I edit and save them for example in kate or geany, it doesn't get re-uploaded. only when I close the editor, it asks if the file should get re-uploaded again. is there a possibility to re-upload the file directly on saving the file?
[16:54] <CapsAdmin> seems like creating a new user got me further. i got a background and a black taskbar for a bit and then it went black and i had to log out (ctrl alt del worked)
[17:04] <CapsAdmin> i think i'll just reinstall and do an immdeate update to 5.3
[17:12] <mr-rich> Hello. Running Kubuntu 14.04 - running software updater (muon, I think) ... keeps hanging at "waiting for configuration file" ... just sits there ... any ideas?
[17:22] <BluesKaj> mr-rich, are upgrading to 14.10? if so disable the updater LTS only option
[17:29] <kubuntu_> всем привет
[17:33] <BluesKaj> !ua | kubuntu_
[17:38] <EvilRoey> !ua | EvilRoey
[17:39] <EvilRoey> ahhh that's an interesting facility, thanks BluesKaj
[17:39] <EvilRoey> !thanks | BluesKaj
[17:39] <EvilRoey> eee ^_^
[17:44] <BluesKaj> !укр
[18:22] <amichair> is there a simple plasma 5 widget that can show the cpu temperature on the panel?
[19:01] <mparillo> This one http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php/CPU+temperature+meter?content=159200 claims to work with Plasma 5. I don't need one, I just listen to the fan while my daughter plays minecraft.
[19:01] <amichair> mparillo: thanks, I'll check it out :-)
[19:03] <lordievader> If I need such a thing it is usually lm-sensors in a terminal somewhere.
[19:26] <mr-rich> BluesKaj: no ... sticking with LTS ... just trying to update ...
[19:30] <BluesKaj> mr-rich, then check your sources.list, there must be a mirror that's blocking
[19:31] <heeen> for some reason the energy savings panel stopped working
[19:32] <heeen> and I can't start the power management service
[19:32] <heeen> "unable to start server powerdevil"
[19:33] <heeen> can I start it from the cli to see debug messages?
[19:37] <heeen> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11698153/
[19:38] <maksim_> эу
[19:50] <BluesKaj> mparillo, I tried to install cpu-tempearture-meter with plasmapkg -i after extracting , but no luck , altho the plasmapkger says it was successfully installed, altho the widget installer sees the package and it seems to finish, the cpu-temp doesn't show up ion the widgets list
[19:52] <BluesKaj> on 15.10, maybe it works on 15.04 plsama 5.3
[19:52] <heeen> i had the same issue with a plasma widget today
[19:54] <BluesKaj> heeen, 15.10 or 15.04?
[19:54] <heeen> wily werewolf
[19:54] <heeen> what is that again
[19:54] <heeen> 15.10
[19:55] <BluesKaj> wily is 15.10
[19:59] <heeen> hm no missing libraries it seems
[20:00] <capsadmin> after installing latest kubuntu and then immideatly updating to 5.3 by adding the ppa thing reboot and then installing the nvidia drivers recommended the desktop is gone again
[20:00] <capsadmin> alt f2 and such works though (so i launched konversation from that)
[20:00] <capsadmin> at least alt tab and shortcuts work now :p
[20:01] <heeen> anyone know how I can get some output from powerdevil
[20:01] <heeen> like why it could not be loaded
[20:01] <BluesKaj> capsadmin,the nvidia-340 recommended ?
[20:02] <capsadmin> yeah
[20:02] <capsadmin> i have a 130m, though it doesn't seem like it's a driver issue
[20:02] <capsadmin> or well idk much about linux but i wouldn't guess that it would be
[20:02] <capsadmin> the desktop is smooth it's just the plasma thing isn't running
[20:03] <BluesKaj> my desktop crashes now and then ,but returns in about 5secs, nvidia-340 here as well
[20:03] <capsadmin> i can launch webgl experiments and such in firefox
[20:03] <BluesKaj> but I'm on 15.10
[20:04] <capsadmin> earlier before upgrading to kde 5.3  my desktop would crash every now and then too
[20:04] <capsadmin> are tehre any logs i (or someone else ) can look at?
[20:04] <BluesKaj> yeah  doubt thet it's a driver issue , but it's usually the first thing to check with desktop and graphics probs
[20:05] <BluesKaj>  /var/log/syslog
[20:06] <capsadmin> the system section in KSystemLog is a gui interface for that?
[20:07] <heeen> W: Failed to fetch http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/backports/ubuntu/dists/wily/main/binary-amd64/Packages  404  Not Found
[20:07] <heeen> whats wrong here
[20:12] <heeen> hm only for vivid
[20:18] <BluesKaj> heeen, the ppas for kubuntu 15.10 are still in the kubuntu-next staging ppas, like this one https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ubuntu/next-staging
[20:20] <heeen> BluesKaj: what is the uri I can paste into muon for that
[20:20] <heeen> ppa:something
[20:20] <genii> !staging
[20:20] <genii> Hm
[20:21] <BluesKaj> and this https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ubuntu/next-stage2
[20:21] <heeen> it says don't use...
[20:22] <capsadmin> lol
[20:22] <regedit> well well
[20:22] <regedit> just installed kubuntu
[20:22] <BluesKaj> heeen, click at the" technical detal'
[20:23] <regedit> trying out linux world coming from a life of Windoes :)
[20:24] <BluesKaj> heeen, well, that's for users who want more stability , but if you want to test the latest packages and upgrades to those packages , those are ppas you need ,and you can find out more at #kubuntu-devel
[20:24] <regedit> so; i'd like to setup a local LAMP, but I already seem to have mysql for Akonadi purposes
[20:25] <heeen> BluesKaj: how hard would it be to downgrade
[20:25] <heeen> if something fails
[20:25] <BluesKaj> !lamp | regedit
[20:26] <regedit> BluesKaj: thanks, I hope it covers how to deal with Akonadi's mysql
[20:27] <BluesKaj> regedit, http://techtutorials.wikia.com/wiki/Kubuntu_Installing_LAMP
[20:29] <BluesKaj> heeen, well if you're worried and m=need more stability just  don't install from those ppas
[20:30] <regedit> BluesKaj: still doesn't seem to take into account akonadi... maybe it's not an issue?
[20:32] <BluesKaj> regedit, sory i don't use konadi , and I'm not sure if it supports lamp
[20:32] <BluesKaj> akonadi that is
[20:32] <capsadmin> is the only option in alt f2 > system settings > desktop behavior > workspace "show informational tips" ?
[20:33] <capsadmin> i could've sworn that's where i changed my desktop to be a folder earlier
[20:33] <capsadmin> (i'm still having the issue where the desktop is gone but everything else works fine)
[20:33] <regedit> BluesKaj: well it's not really related to Lamp, but it doea have its own mysql server already installed & running off its own data folder
[20:33] <regedit> *does
[20:34] <regedit> BluesKaj: which seems problematic if i want to have a "generic" mysql running for like web purposes
[20:35] <capsadmin> in my offline documentation i have no workspace documentation either lol
[20:35] <capsadmin> it says "Documentation not Found"
[20:35] <capsadmin> so i'm guessing i'm missing the workspace component of kde5?
[20:36] <BluesKaj> yeah , regedit , akonadi is strictly for PIM Personal Information Management storage service , quote "It provides a common framework for applications to store and access mail, calendars, addressbooks, and other PIM data."
[20:37] <BluesKaj> capsadmin, are you installing ubuntu then adding KDE/kubuntu-desktop afterwards?
[20:38] <capsadmin> i installed latest kubuntu from the website and after that i added the ppa stuff to update to latest kde and then installed the recommended nvidia drivers
[20:38] <regedit> i'm going to guess/assume i can install mysql proper regardless of akonadi's mysql, let's see what happens...
[20:39] <capsadmin> i got the same issue before but that was even before i tried the latest kde from the ppa thing
[20:39] <capsadmin> i wanted to try and install latest from the ppa thing to see if that resolved it earlier but it didn't
[20:40] <capsadmin> i ran this:
[20:40] <capsadmin> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:kubuntu-ppa/backports
[20:40] <capsadmin> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[20:40] <BluesKaj> regedit, not a good idea, recommend you install ubuntu-server then add the kubuntu desktop during the install
[20:40] <capsadmin> right after clean install of 15.04
[20:40] <capsadmin> (without updates and third party software)
[20:43] <capsadmin> oh
[20:43] <BluesKaj> capsadmin, did you add the signing key for that ppa?
[20:43] <capsadmin> running plasmashell in konsole seemed to start it..
[20:44] <capsadmin> i didn't but i actually got something regarding that earlier and i just shrugged it off lol
[20:44] <capsadmin> but yeah if i run plasmashell in konsole it starts the desktop
[20:45] <capsadmin> that's really odd
[20:45] <capsadmin> i did try sudo apt-get install --reinstall plasma-workspace
[20:45] <capsadmin> let me try restarting to see if it exits again like before
[20:45] <BluesKaj> suggest you do ,  sudo apt-key adv --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com --recv-keys 8AC93F7A
[20:46] <BluesKaj> capsadmin,^
[20:46] <capsadmin> done, but why do i have to? and why doesn't it work at all if i don't?
[20:46] <virtman7> are you guys fixing the task bar bug that came with ubunto 15.04?
[20:46] <BluesKaj> it opens the ppa
[20:47] <capsadmin> did i only get some updates then?
[20:47] <virtman7> i got it fixed...
[20:47] <BluesKaj> cap , yup, most likely
[20:47] <capsadmin> virtman7: what taskbar bug?
[20:47] <virtman7> some users reported the missing task bar or whatever it's called on the left
[20:48] <virtman7> a missing taskbar *
[20:48] <BluesKaj> run an update/upgrade/dist-upgrade again, capsadmin
[20:48] <virtman7> happened to me and fixed it out
[20:49] <capsadmin> BluesKaj: nothing to be upgraded
[20:49] <BluesKaj> virtman7, are talking about ubuntu or kubuntu...it's called the panel, the taskbar resides in the panel
[20:49] <capsadmin> virtman7: on login my screen just went black but i could still launch stuff like with alt f2
[20:49] <virtman7> ah. Thanks... I'm using u. Unity
[20:49] <capsadmin> but launching plasmashell created the taskbar for me, is that's what you mean?
[20:50] <BluesKaj> then join #ubuntu virtman7 , this is kubuntu support
[20:50] <virtman7> capsadmin> I was able tu successfully log into the desktop, except no panel
[20:50] <virtman7> so I created a new folder and new document
[20:50] <virtman7> and went from there with right-clocks to access apps
[20:51] <virtman7> then I went on and fixed my missing panel by reading a forum discussion
[20:51] <BluesKaj> virtman7, were talking about KDE/plasma desktop here , not Unity
[20:51] <virtman7> sure
[20:52] <BluesKaj> sure what ?
[20:53] <virtman7> just suggesting. You could extrapolate some ideas in order to fix other issues on KDE/Plasma
[20:53] <virtman7> anyhow........
[20:54] <virtman7> tryin' to be helpful.
[20:54] <BluesKaj> virtman7, extrapolation has nothing to do with it ...entirely different desktops
[20:55] <virtman7> OK
[20:55] <BluesKaj> anyway , it's been a long day ... I'm taking a break
[21:18] <chencho9000> hi there
[21:39] <chencho9000> kubuntu rocks the whole thing!
[21:46] <clivejo> hi chencho9000
[22:16] <regedit> how do i get text to look sharp? they're rather blurry all over the place
[22:17] <regedit> window titles, controls, content text...
[22:21] <capsadmin> is there a way to create a new "package enviorment" for programming? kinda like running a vm with linux specifically for programming but without the big overhead of a vm
[22:21] <capsadmin> or is this kinda silly
[23:35] <lordievader> capsadmin: You can look into linux containers.