[04:53] <barrydk> More Ubuntu Maaitjies
[06:47] <andrewlsd> Hi peeps. 
[06:49] <andrewlsd> barrydk: you were here early. (according to the IRC logs, unless they're in UTC)
[07:01] <mazal> Hi andrewlsd
[07:02] <mazal> Yeah we start work at 6:15am already
[07:02] <mazal> Me and Barry 
[07:02] <Kilos> morning mazal  andrewlsd  barrydk  ThatGraemeGuy  and others
[07:03] <andrewlsd> Wb Kilos 
[07:03] <Kilos> ty
[07:03] <andrewlsd> late night mining?
[07:03] <Kilos> nono woke just before 7 and it was cold, so i thought 10 mins more wont hurt
[07:03] <ThatGraemeGuy> mornings
[07:04] <Kilos> i have long 10 mins it seems
[07:04] <mazal> lol
[07:04] <mazal> Hi ThatGraemeGuy , Kilos
[07:10]  * andrewlsd lurks, as usual
[07:11] <Kilos> np
[07:11] <Kilos> will ping you when im awake 
[07:15] <inetpro> good mornings
[07:15] <Kilos> morning inetpro  
[07:35] <TinuvaMac> morning gents
[07:36] <Kilos> hi TinuvaMac  
[07:36] <andrewlsd> morning TinuvaMac 
[07:36]  * andrewlsd goes to find coffee
[07:37] <Jacques_Stry> Morning
[07:37] <Kilos> hi Jacques_Stry  gaanit?
[07:38] <Jacques_Stry> Goed en oom
[07:39] <Kilos> goed dankie
[07:45] <Kilos> http://mybroadband.co.za/news/energy/128942-the-real-reasons-for-power-blackouts-in-south-africa.html
[07:47] <MaNI> was half expecting the ancient aliens guy
[07:48] <Kilos> lol
[07:54] <MaNI> doesn't take a rocket scientist to know that the delay of medupi and kusile are major causes though :p
[08:06] <mazal> all boils down to incompetance
[08:09] <MaNI> haha now they are blaming cloudy weather
[08:09] <MaNI> "Eskom has cited power loss from units across the country including cloudy weather conditions affecting solar power projects in the Northern Cape."
[08:09] <MaNI> *facepalm*
[08:09] <Kilos> lol
[08:43] <mazal> I wish I could fiber
[08:43] <Kilos> dont we all
[08:43] <mazal> 4mb fiber with 100gig data , only R350 rand
[08:43] <mazal> 4mb ADSL with only 15gig data , R530
[08:43] <Kilos> sjoe
[08:44] <mazal> Only SA
[08:44] <mazal> Maybe in 2150 my town will get fiber :P
[08:46] <MaNI> heh, I should have bought somewhere with fiber :(
[08:46] <mazal> I am amazed at how much cheaper for much more data it is against ADSL
[08:46] <Kilos> yeah
[08:47] <mazal> Because with ADSL there is Telkom's stupid rule that have to pay for a telephone line as well. Even if you don't want it , you must
[08:48] <mazal> That drives the price of an ADSL line up by R180 automatically
[08:48] <lin> wait...what?
[08:48] <lin> R180 per month?
[08:48] <mazal> Yeah
[08:48] <lin> That's brutal!
[08:48] <mazal> Roughly , it's R168 before VAT
[08:48] <lin> still....brutal..
[08:49] <mazal> And it's forced unto you if you want ADSL
[08:49] <lin> Almost unsustainable for a single user
[08:49] <lin> Internet access is a commodity
[08:49] <mazal> I have to pay that every month , even though I never use the phone
[08:49] <lin> But Telco's like cashing on it like a money cow
[08:49] <lin> Yes...I know that feel
[08:50] <mazal> But the 3g route's data is waaaaaaayyy to overpriced , so there a user is also screwed
[08:50] <lin> mazal, where are you located? ADSL sounds a bit overkill now..
[08:51] <mazal> ADSL still by far the most affordable on data rates
[08:51] <lin> Most telcos in Kenya will issue you a 3G USB dongle or a SOHO router with a SIM that you pay for as you use..
[08:51] <mazal> Data prices and dreadful signal strengths is what still killing the 3G way
[08:51] <lin> hmm...
[08:51] <lin> Do tell..
[08:52] <mazal> Where I live we still on normal edge
[08:52] <mazal> We don't even have 3g
[08:52] <Kilos> eish
[08:52] <mazal> And data prices , shees. I can get 20gig on ADSL for the same price as 1gig on 3G
[08:52] <Kilos> and im nagging telkom because my 3g is too slow
[08:52] <Kilos> hehe
[08:52] <Kilos> 3g is expensive
[08:53] <mazal> SA , all about getting rich without providing a service
[08:53] <MaNI> so true
[08:54] <MaNI> some wifi providers are a bit more affordable than ADSL - though not by a drastic amount, but that depends on where you live
[08:54] <mazal> We defnitely don't have that either
[08:55] <lin> What are your opinions on Neotel SA?
[08:56] <lin> The flight school I'll be attending in SA is provided for by Neotel..
[08:57] <MaNI> I'm enraged by what a failure they are
[08:57] <MaNI> it is almost like they signed some non compete as part of the licensing process or something
[08:58] <MaNI> wait multiple decades for a second national operator and when we finally get one they are a lame duck
[08:58] <lin> so with Neotel we're fucked...
[08:59] <MaNI> your flight school will probably get good enough service
[08:59] <MaNI> it is just that they have poor coverage and aren't really offering better packages, performance, price etc.
[09:00] <lin> wow
[09:00] <lin> At that rate, internet access in Kenya sounds way cheaper and faster.
[09:01] <lin> I pay about KES 3500 per month for Zuku internet, unlimited data, at 20 Mbps...
[09:01] <lin> That comes to about R300 p.m...
[09:02] <lin> And it's consistent..
[09:02] <MaNI> crazy
[09:02] <MaNI> is there a 'fair usage' policy on that?
[09:03] <MaNI> how unlimited is unlimited?
[09:03] <lin> On Zuku, no FUP.
[09:03] <MaNI> here it is not uncommon to buy 'unlimited' internet only to have it slow down to 9600 modem speeds because you used more than 30 gb :p
[09:03] <lin> On Zuku, they have no FUP...yet
[09:03] <lin> There's one network here that has that FUP policy...
[09:04] <lin> Orange Kenya..
[09:06] <MaNI> man thats depressing, R300 here will get you like 30gb of data on a 1Mb/s line - and thats on a cheaper wireless provider 
[09:06] <lin> Orange KE has a similar policy
[09:06] <lin> They cap you to 64 KB/s if yoiu exceed your daily "unlimited" plan 
[09:06] <MaNI> ADSL it won't even cover your line rental
[09:06] <lin> It caps out at about 300 MB
[09:06] <lin> Abd it's worth about KES 50 reneweable daily
[09:06] <lin> KES 50 is about R8 at most
[09:06] <lin> I'll come to SA packing my high-end Chinese router for that.
[09:06] <lin> Share that internet as much as possible.
[09:07] <lin> I believe internet access is a basic human right.
[09:07] <lin> Every one should have fast, affordable and accessible internet access no matter the locale.
[09:08] <lin> Ideally, without "value added packages" like what mazal is goinf through with the "free" phone line
[09:09] <MaNI> yeah it would be nice
[09:09] <MaNI> how many landline operators does Kenya have?
[09:10] <lin> Personally, I make an effort of creating an isolated open network on my premises so that any passer-by can use it. Of course, it's bandwidth-shaped so no one can cut me out by overloading..
[09:11] <lin> 1.
[09:11] <lin> Telkom Kenya.
[09:12] <MaNI> heh interesting
[09:12] <MaNI> I suppose it does help that you guys are not so far from everyone
[09:14] <lin> Nahh
[09:14] <lin> Most people use handsets
[09:14] <lin> Mobile phones
[09:14] <lin> Only businesses and a few people have fixed landlines to their premises
[09:19] <MaNI> do you guys have stable power? Maybe I should move to Kenya lol
[09:19] <stickyboy> MaNI: Yep. :P
[09:21] <lin> Mostly, MaNI
[09:21] <lin> mosty
[09:21] <lin> And no loadshedding!
[09:22] <Kilos> lol
[09:23] <Kilos> hi SDCDev  
[09:23] <lin> So if you have good net, do share
[09:24] <MaNI> If I had good net I would, sadly not :p
[09:24] <lin> lol
[09:24] <MaNI> I'm on a 60gb capped account have to watch my bandwidth usage like a hawk
[09:25] <lin> lol
[09:25] <lin> Especially if you're a gamer
[09:25] <lin> And no Steam downloads for you..
[09:25] <lin> lol
[09:25] <MaNI> yeah accidentally let a game upgrade and I'm toast for the month
[09:25] <Kilos> eish
[09:25] <lin> GTA V is a 60GB download
[09:26] <Kilos> wow
[09:26] <lin> One touch on it and your monthly cap is done for.
[09:26] <MaNI> I don't have much time to game these days anyway though so its okay
[09:26] <lin> lucky you
[09:26] <lin> I need to check out this Akitio Thunderbolt HDD enclosure
[09:29] <lin> Can't see info on the mailing list..
[09:37] <magespawn> good day all
[09:38] <Kilos> hi magespawn  
[09:40] <lin> hi magespawn 
[09:53] <mazal> maaz
[09:53] <mazal> maaz I am talking to you
[09:53] <Maaz> mazal: Excuse me?
[09:53] <Kilos> lol
[09:53] <mazal> maaz what's for lunch ?
[09:53] <Maaz> mazal: Steers make the best burgers in town. http://www.steers.co.za/
[09:53] <Kilos> Maaz  coffee on
[09:53]  * Maaz flips the salt-timer
[09:54] <mazal> maaz , that's the best idea you had yet
[09:54] <Maaz> mazal: What?
[09:54] <mazal> Too bad we don't have a steers though :(
[09:54] <lin> lol
[09:57] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[09:58] <Kilos> Maaz  gracias
[09:58] <Maaz> Kilos: ¡de nada!
[09:59] <mazal> maaz where is my coffee
[09:59] <Maaz> mazal: my coffee is finished...
[09:59] <mazal> I don't care about yours , where's mine
[09:59] <Kilos> haha
[10:01] <mazal> MaNI: I only have 15gig cap , just think how I have to tip-toe between game updates and playing
[10:02] <MaNI> haha ouch
[10:02] <MaNI> feels like a human right violation
[10:03] <Kilos> haha you guys want to try 2g per month
[10:03] <Kilos> with luck i can make it last 2 months
[10:03] <MaNI> only if you send me back in time like a decade
[10:04] <MaNI> I work from home, my emails alone probably use that much
[10:05] <Kilos> wow
[10:05] <magespawn> MaNI: freelance? or just work from home/
[10:05] <magespawn> ?
[10:05] <MaNI> just work from home
[10:06] <MaNI> though we are a small company so its almost the same thing as freelance I guess
[10:06] <magespawn> i have been trying to find something like that for myself
[10:06] <MaNI> except without the shortage of clients :p
[10:07] <mazal> Oom Kilos , mu midnight schedule managed to do half of those updates of last night at least hehehe
[10:07] <Kilos> sjoe
[10:08] <MaNI> magespawn what work do you do?
[10:10] <Kilos> he teaches game to use wifi
[10:10] <Kilos> hehe
[10:11] <mazal> That reminds me , what adsl with wi-fi router are good these days ?
[10:12] <mazal> I have a netgear , but nor very happy with it
[10:12] <mazal> not*
[11:07] <magespawn> MaNI: sort a system administrator, with one or two other things thrown in
[11:07] <magespawn> pc technician for anything with a microchip
[11:11] <MaNI> ahh okay, a bit harder for home work I guess
[11:14] <magespawn> system admin stuff can largely be done remotely, but a fair amount of what i do needs physical presence
[11:17] <ThatGraemeGuy> I just need a laptop and an internet connection
[11:18] <ThatGraemeGuy> or my phone, if its something dumb like it usually is
[11:18] <pieter2627> evening inetpro Kilos... and all others
[11:19] <Kilos> lol hi pieter2627  
[11:24] <Private_User> afternoon peeps
[11:24] <Kilos> hi Private_User  
[11:25] <Private_User> hey Kilos
[11:25] <magespawn> MaNI: try d-link, i like the few i have used, somebody recently recommended billion
[11:26] <Private_User> just curious MaNI, what work do you do from home IT stuff?
[11:26] <MaNI> programming mostly (c++)
[11:26] <Private_User> ah ok nice
[11:27] <Private_User> anybody else work from home here?
[11:27] <MaNI> http://www.tshwanedje.com/
[11:27] <ThatGraemeGuy> I can but typically don't
[11:27] <Private_User> I am wondering why many more companies do not allow there people to work from home
[11:28] <MaNI> discipline :P
[11:28] <MaNI> also if you have bigger teams the team work isn't as great I guess
[11:30] <Private_User> I worked in a company where all our work was done remotely and our teams were spread across the globe but they never gave us the option to work from home well they did say they would consider it after we past the initial phase of the project but there was always another reason or some other excuse as to why not yet but the mangers could freely work from home whenever they wished
[11:31] <Private_User> and we were responsible people well I was not sure of the others though
[11:31] <Private_User> lol
[11:31] <MaNI> yeah, its a trust thing I think, most managers want to micro manage people and think they will just play games all day long if they don't
[11:31] <Private_User> lol
[11:31] <MaNI> (unfortunately they probably aren't entirely wrong for a lot of people)
[11:32] <Private_User> yeah but that is true for some people I know a guy who used to "work" from home and on those days he did if you went to visit him he would be chilling outside in his garage working on his car or a friends car installing sound and enjoying a cold one
[11:32] <Private_User> lol
[11:32] <ThatGraemeGuy> "most" managers don't want to micromanage in my experience, only the crappy ones do that
[11:33] <ThatGraemeGuy> I don't even have a manager here in the traditional sense
[11:33] <MaNI> most manager are crappy ones :p
[11:33] <Private_User> well not to say he was not working he would walk into the house every now and then check emails and stuff
[11:33] <MaNI> but yeah, it does become difficult not to start taking liberties so its not for everyone :p
[11:34] <MaNI> I mean it starts out reasonable enough, maybe you can pop out and do the shopping during the day and then work a bit later in the afternoon to catch up and make your time more efficient that way
[11:34] <MaNI> but then you get in the habit of doing that and soon you are doing shit in work time you shouldn't, have to sort of keep an eye on it
[11:35] <MaNI> family/friends seem to think that because you are always at home you are always available as well etc.
[11:36] <MaNI> at the same time, in the other direction, work starts to invade your personal time 
[11:36] <MaNI> lots of pros/cons I guess, it is quite different
[11:38] <Private_User> but I know in the UK many people work from home some of them live like 600KM away from the companies offices, we supported users from the UK remotely and sometimes they would have some hardware issue and then they would have to courir their machines or devices to the office
[11:39] <MaNI> yeah, I personally think its an improvement, I would struggle to transition back to an office routine again
[11:41] <Private_User> yeah and it saves time you are fresh when you start working not having to deal with traffic and tire yourself before getting to work and the company does not need to rent out big offic spaces
[11:42] <MaNI> but it's something I would only allow for people I trust and are established
[11:42] <MaNI> so I'd probably want people to come in to an office of some kind for at least the first year or something IDK
[11:43] <Private_User> yeah I guess some might take advantage
[11:43] <MaNI> if there are obvious delivery milestones you can keep control of it though
[11:44] <MaNI> I mean if I stopped working it would be fairly obvious as there would be more angry customers screaming at us for missed deadlines
[11:45] <MaNI> for a more junior position its maybe not as obvious, a good manager can probably tell though, but juniors probably benefit from having people around to assist them for a period
[11:45] <MaNI> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-21043693 <- and then there is stuff like that
[11:49] <Private_User> lol
[11:49] <Private_User> that guy was smart and stupid
[11:49] <Private_User> if I were him I would have got the company to remote into my home private network
[11:50] <Private_User> setup some sort of connection to my work PC and then get them to connect that way
[11:50] <Private_User> that way to the company it would just look like a connection from my work pc in my home
[11:51] <Private_User> hehe but now MaNI is thinking yeah you see you are the type of person I will not hire
[11:51] <Private_User> lol
[11:53] <MaNI> haha, no I thought the same :p
[11:53] <Private_User> lol
[11:53] <magespawn> that way from their vpn point of view all the data is coming from your pc anyway
[11:54] <MaNI> if it weren't for the massive customer privacy breech and security issues I'd actually praise the guy
[11:54] <MaNI> from a purely business perspective if he can get someone else to do the work and keep me happy with the result then kudos to him
[11:54] <magespawn> sending the security key around the world is a bit of risk
[11:54] <MaNI> but yeah the privacy breech is a big problem :P
[11:55] <Private_User> but you gotta admit that is some out of the box thinking
[11:55] <Private_User> hehe
[11:55] <MaNI> violate the wrong NDA and company is in some big trouble
[11:55] <magespawn> MaNI: yes but that should be transparent, so set up company then supcontract the work out
[12:21] <mazal> l8tr everyone , enjoy the afternoon
[12:21] <Cryterion> bye
[12:26] <Private_User> brb need to reboot
[12:37] <barrydk> Good night everyone
[13:41] <magespawn> back later all
[14:09] <andrewlsd> cheers
[14:22] <Kilos> hmm... so much for needing to loadshed in peak times
[14:46] <MaNI> cut them some slack, nobody could possibly have predicted that we might have clouds at some point
[14:47] <Kilos> rofl
[15:14] <andrewlsd> lol
[15:14] <andrewlsd> night all.
[15:14] <Kilos> night andrewlsd  
[15:14]  * andrewlsd must go fill up the generator ahead of tonights power outage
[15:15] <andrewlsd> (that means feed the kids)
[15:15] <Kilos> sort a connection from home man
[15:15] <andrewlsd> (so that they have energy to pedal the dynamo generators)
[15:15] <Kilos> oh i saw something that they terminated shedding for the day
[15:15] <Kilos> lol
[15:16] <andrewlsd> two benefits. Electricity, and tired kids.
[15:16] <Kilos> yeah
[15:16] <andrewlsd> cheers all
[16:10] <Cryterion> grr, loadscheduling really being a problem today
[16:31] <Kilos> sucks
[16:32] <Kilos> inetpro  ping
[16:33] <Kilos> me needs some info on where the external antenna for mobile connects to your router and with what plug and if the sim card is then inside the router or if you still use a modem
[17:41] <z3r009> sup
[17:44] <magespawn> good evening
[17:44] <Kilos> hi magespawn  and z3r009  
[17:44] <Kilos> z3r009  welcome to ubuntu-za
[17:46] <magespawn> hey Kilos, is lin a new face as well?
[17:46] <Kilos> yeah but been in africa channel a while now too
[17:46] <z3r009> am I a new face?
[17:47] <Kilos> he is from kenya
[17:47] <magespawn> cool beans, new peeps is a good thing
[17:47] <Kilos> ohi superfly  
[17:48] <Kilos> z3r009  you tell us
[17:48] <z3r009> I'm not new though, i just haven't been on long for a long time.
[17:48] <Kilos> Maaz  nickometer z3r009  
[17:48] <Maaz> Kilos: z3r009 is 92.8% lame
[17:48] <Kilos> under what nick z3r009  
[17:48] <magespawn> Maaz nickometer magespawn
[17:48] <z3r009> same nick
[17:48] <Maaz> magespawn: magespawn is 0.0% lame
[17:49] <magespawn> right
[17:49] <Kilos> wow i must have forgotten
[17:49] <magespawn> been a while then z3r009 
[17:49] <Kilos> well then z3r009  welcome back
[17:49] <z3r009> but i was new when i was on back then... I remember you and magespawn though, always there.
[17:49] <magespawn> indeed
[17:49] <Kilos> haha
[17:49] <magespawn> cool beans
[17:51] <Kilos> z3r009  why did you stay away so long i forgot you?
[17:52] <magespawn> that might no actually be that long Kilos 
[17:52] <Kilos> hahaha
[17:52] <magespawn> s/no/not
[17:52] <Kilos> ya i got too many peeps to try remember now
[17:53] <z3r009> i ran out of data, for months lol
[17:53] <Kilos> eish
[17:53] <Kilos> tough in africa
[17:53] <z3r009> dude, these prices..
[17:53] <Kilos> i know i use 3g
[17:55] <z3r009> vodacom?
[17:55] <Kilos> no voda sucks i use telkom mobile
[17:55] <Kilos> and their 2+1 promo
[17:55] <Kilos> R149
[17:56] <z3r009> whats the promo?
[17:56] <Kilos> i never get to use the +1 though, midnight is sleep time
[17:56] <magespawn> cell c has the 2 + 3 Gb for R99
[17:57] <Kilos> magespawn  i can look at that but thats 3g i will lose
[17:57] <Kilos> hehe
[17:57] <z3r009> is this for the whole month? coz lately i just do the cellc gig a night when i need to get stuff. 
[17:57] <magespawn> i have only just found out that is what i have been paying for the last year
[17:58] <Kilos> and i need to check the tower, last cellc used the voda tower here and after sis could not connect for 4 months she went telkom too
[17:58] <Kilos> the telkom promotion 2+1 is valid till the end of the following month
[17:59] <Kilos> so can be 2 months if you get it beginning of the month
[17:59] <magespawn> i think is one of their standard packages
[17:59] <magespawn> for cell c that is
[18:00] <MaNI> isn't afrihost 3g cheaper than telkom?
[18:01] <MaNI> never looked at it closely as using 3g is crazy, but got that idea somewhere :p
[18:01] <Kilos> afrihost and mtn are buddies i think 
[18:02] <Kilos> and the mtn tower here is edge
[18:02] <z3r009> afrihost? i always thought that was just a webhosting company.
[18:02] <Kilos> took like 9 hours to upgrade a new install
[18:03] <z3r009> Lol edge was so fast when i was a kid, downloading those 300kb v360 games
[18:03] <Kilos> lol
[18:04] <Kilos> now im getting http://www.speedtest.net/my-result/4425719435
[18:04] <Kilos> sometimes just over 5
[18:04] <Kilos> but have asked telkom to upgrade the tower to lte
[18:04] <magespawn> afrihost does mtn data with their own apn
[18:05] <magespawn> only month to month, and you can double the data for R99 extra
[18:05] <Kilos> i would need to get a new cellc sim mage
[18:05] <magespawn> good deal if have good mtn signal and if you take 3 GB or bigger
[18:05] <Kilos> maybe got one here still
[18:06] <magespawn> the cell c is 12 or 24 month contract
[18:06] <Kilos> nono no contract for me
[18:06] <magespawn> afrihost is month to month
[18:09] <magespawn> just watching a documentary on youtube about defcon
[18:10] <magespawn> i would really like to go there one year
[18:11] <inetpro> Kilos: one day when you have high speed LTE you will quickly regret asking for it
[18:11] <inetpro> stability with the speed you're getting already is much more important than speed
[18:11] <inetpro> oh and good evening everyone
[18:12] <Kilos> oh
[18:12] <magespawn> stable and fast would be the goal really
[18:12] <Kilos> is lte unstable then
[18:12] <magespawn> hi inetpro
[18:13] <magespawn> stable, fast and cheap
[18:13] <magespawn> since we are talking wish lists
[18:13] <Kilos> lol
[18:13] <z3r009> you can only take two, from stable, fast and cheap
[18:14] <Kilos> z3r009  you still studying hey?
[18:14] <magespawn> they usually list four qualities, distance being the fourth
[18:14] <inetpro> at 50mbps you would use more than 22GB in one hour
[18:14] <magespawn> indeed
[18:14] <magespawn> 50 mbps, still not really fast enough though
[18:15] <inetpro> ai!
[18:15] <magespawn> 150 now we talking
[18:15] <z3r009> yep @Kilos
[18:15] <Kilos> no man i dont do lotsa downloads or videos or youtube stuff
[18:16] <inetpro> Kilos: oh and pong
[18:16] <Kilos> z3r009  you can leave the @ out here
[18:16] <Kilos> you a twitter fan
[18:16] <z3r009> forgot how to irc.. haha, gonna /help now
[18:16] <Kilos> np thats why we here
[18:17] <z3r009> your messages are highlighted differently which leads me to believe that they are private... not sure though
[18:17] <Kilos> inetpro  dont just pong man, answer whats under the ping
[18:17] <inetpro> oh
[18:17] <z3r009> the ones that start with my name anyways
[18:17] <Kilos> if you want private here you can do that too
[18:18] <inetpro> Kilos:  HUAWEI B593s-601
[18:18] <Kilos> is the sim inside or with usb modem inetpro  
[18:18] <z3r009> Kilos not really a twitter fan though. but the @ is convenient.
[18:19] <inetpro> Kilos: you slot the sim into the router
[18:19] <Kilos> twitter is a pain for me, but handy when you want quick reaction from telkom and tswane power peeps
[18:19] <inetpro> see: http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showthread.php/575591-The-Huawei-B593-LTE-discussion-thread
[18:19] <Kilos> ah ty inetpro  
[18:20] <Kilos> i want to mod a d-link router for ian to be able to use an external antenna
[18:21] <Kilos> only way how to so far is using an e220 modem that i can find where an external ant must connect
[18:26] <magespawn> z3r009: they are not private just highlighted to attract attention
[18:27] <magespawn> if we are talking about the same thing
[18:28] <captine> evening all
[18:29] <Kilos> hi captine  
[18:31] <magespawn> are there anything like the american conventions in the rest of the world?
[18:31] <captine> magespawn, you mean like linux conventions
[18:31] <Kilos> whats that
[18:31] <Kilos> ya
[18:31] <magespawn> or defcon, etc? yes linux ones too
[18:31] <Kilos> they got funny name things
[18:32] <Kilos> ubucons i think it is
[18:32] <Kilos> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Ubucon
[18:33] <Kilos> and fly is organising a debcon or conf
[18:33] <magespawn> debian conf, in capt town next year i think
[18:33] <Kilos> ya that
[18:38] <magespawn> hey also got a new phone yesterday
[18:38] <z3r009> anyone ever been to the pycon?
[18:39] <magespawn> myabe superfly, do not know
[18:39] <captine> magespawn, am thinking of trying to get to CT
[18:39] <captine> although I am not a developer
[18:39] <captine> would still be keen to see it
[18:39] <magespawn> would be nice
[18:39] <magespawn> yup for sure
[18:45] <Kilos> cold wet place
[18:45] <Kilos> and the sea is only good for fish and penguins
[18:49] <z3r009> what happens at these conventions?
[18:50] <Kilos> z3r009  where are you?
[18:50] <captine> display lots of linux things.  
[18:50] <Kilos> peeps are planning a SFD in ptown later this year
[18:50] <captine> tech, hardware etc.  all vendors are normally there.  Microsoft was at the last US North West linux convention with some pretty amazing things...
[18:50] <Kilos> SFD=software freedom day
[18:51] <z3r009> I'm near jhb
[18:51] <magespawn> www.defcon.org redirects to 127.0.0.1, what?
[18:51] <magespawn> colour me confused
[18:52] <captine> lol.
[18:52] <z3r009> reallY? can't click link, have 10mb or less, have to be very careful.
[18:52] <captine> definitely going to SFD this year
[18:52] <captine> was away last year
[18:52] <captine> but very keen to go this year
[18:52] <Kilos> magespawn  i got https://www.defcon.org/
[18:52] <magespawn> really hope that i am up there there this year
[18:52] <magespawn> let me try that 
[18:54] <Kilos> i just opened your link in chrome
[18:54] <Kilos> ill get like pro just now and tell you to use a decent browser
[18:54] <magespawn> if i ping defcon.org or www.defcon.org i get replies from 127.0.0.1, if i add the http or https then i get unknown host
[18:54] <magespawn> usingi firefox
[18:55] <Kilos> opens fine in opera as well
[18:55] <Kilos> i just click the link you give here and it opens
[18:56] <Kilos> inetpro  try https://www.defcon.org/ in your fox please
[18:57] <magespawn> must be something here
[18:57] <magespawn> let me go look 
[18:58] <magespawn> ping it for me and give me the ip address
[18:59] <magespawn> please
[18:59] <inetpro> uh
[18:59] <Kilos> unknown host https://www.defcon.org
[18:59] <Kilos> both of them
[18:59] <magespawn> my dns has been playing around all day
[19:00] <inetpro> magespawn: ping is not the answer to all your problems
[19:00] <Kilos> Maaz  ping unknown host https://www.defcon.org
[19:00] <Maaz> Kilos: Excuse me?
[19:00] <Kilos> lol
[19:00] <Kilos> Maaz  ping https://www.defcon.org
[19:00] <Maaz> Kilos: Error: unknown host https://www.defcon.org
[19:00] <Kilos> ya that dont work
[19:01] <magespawn> Maaz is defcon.org up
[19:02] <inetpro> the website is perfect on my side
[19:02] <magespawn> hmm, let me check dns settings in the router
[19:02] <inetpro> resolves to 162.222.171.206
[19:02] <inetpro> nslookup www.defcon.org
[19:03] <Kilos> QA> Yes, https://defcon.org/ is up
[19:03] <magespawn> i am getting some wierd results here
[19:03] <inetpro> dig +noall +answer www.defcon.org
[19:06] <Kilos> www.defcon.org.         2341285 IN      A       162.222.171.206
[19:06] <magespawn> http://pasteboard.co/19igmQht.png
[19:06] <Kilos> oh my
[19:06] <Kilos> are you using win magespawn  
[19:07] <magespawn> no on xubuntu here
[19:07] <Kilos> oh wow
[19:07] <magespawn> dns on the router is set to google
[19:07] <magespawn> veeeery odd
[19:08] <z3r009> i;m with inetpro, resolves to same addr and loads proper.
[19:09] <inetpro> magespawn: obviously you can't visit the site with it's IP address
[19:09] <magespawn> maybe afrihost doing something, somebody doing something
[19:09] <inetpro> it's a name based virtual host
[19:11] <Kilos> can a router interfere with one connecting to a site?
[19:11] <magespawn> what is? sorry not getting that, inetpro 
[19:12] <magespawn> yes , well at least the dns in the router can
[19:12] <Kilos> sjoe
[19:12] <magespawn> going to reset it to the automatic ones provided by the isp
[19:12] <inetpro> magespawn: many sites out there are hosted on servers with one IP address
[19:13] <magespawn> ahh right yes
[19:13] <magespawn> brb
[19:14] <inetpro> magespawn: you could always try to browse a site through a translation service 
[19:14] <inetpro> for example https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=en&tl=af&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.defcon.org
[19:15] <magespawn> just wierd that i cannot get to it straight up
[19:16] <magespawn> now using afrihost provided dns, and still nothing
[19:16] <inetpro> nothing!?
[19:16] <inetpro> magespawn: dig +noall +answer www.defcon.org
[19:17] <stickyboy> magespawn: Use these instead: http://www.privacyfoundation.ch/de/service/server.html
[19:17] <stickyboy> Fuck Google.
[19:17] <Kilos> eish stickyboy  
[19:17] <Kilos> you shocking our ladies
[19:18] <magespawn> www.defcon.org.86205INA127.0.0.1
[19:18] <z3r009> there are no girls on the internet
[19:18] <Kilos> oh yes
[19:18] <magespawn> why 127.0.0.1?
[19:18] <Kilos> we dont swear here
[19:19] <stickyboy> Life is too short to mince words.
[19:19] <stickyboy> It's like sugars in the food pyramid... use sparingly. ;)
[19:19] <inetpro> magespawn: what DNS server?
[19:20] <Kilos> hehe, you well stickyboy   you been quiet
[19:20] <z3r009> the food pyramid lol. 
[19:20] <magespawn> 196.7.7.7 and 196.7.8.9
[19:21] <inetpro> magespawn: well there is your problem
[19:21] <magespawn> ?
[19:22] <inetpro> who's DNS servers are those?
[19:22] <magespawn> afrihost
[19:22] <inetpro> dig @196.7.8.9 +noall +answer www.defcon.org 
[19:23] <inetpro> that ^^ also gives me 127.0.0.1
[19:23]  * inetpro suggests contacting afrihost
[19:23] <Kilos> z3r009  see why i mix with these guys
[19:23] <Kilos> so i can smell clever
[19:24] <inetpro> Kilos: sshhh
[19:24]  * Kilos goes to the corner
[19:24] <inetpro> it's just DNS
[19:24] <inetpro> no need to be a rocket scientist
[19:25] <magespawn> why would they be stopping that though?
[19:25]  * z3r009 takes notes.
[19:25] <inetpro> magespawn: ask them
[19:26] <magespawn> hmm, that is annoying though
[19:27] <inetpro> talk to @gianvisser
[19:28] <magespawn> it was also happening when i set it to 8.8.8.8 and 8.8.4.4
[19:31] <z3r009> that's my queue, I'm out, peace.
[19:31] <magespawn> late z3r009 
[19:31] <magespawn> later too
[19:33] <magespawn> going up to my room, might get disconnected
[19:35] <stickyboy> Kilos: Yeah, I'm good.
[19:35] <stickyboy> About to make some hot chocolate.
[19:35] <stickyboy> I'm currently on a 38-day GitHub streak... https://github.com/alanorth/
[19:35] <stickyboy> Hacking all teh things...
[19:40] <Kilos> lol
[19:41] <Kilos> hi gremble  
[19:41] <gremble> Hey Kilos 
[19:41] <gremble> How are you?
[19:41] <Kilos> ok ty and you?
[19:41] <Kilos> you did exams yet?
[19:42] <gremble> I am well thank you
[19:42] <gremble> Yes. Wrote one today
[19:42] <gremble> Last one on wednesday
[19:42] <Kilos> and?
[19:42] <Kilos> whew hope all goes well man
[19:42] <Kilos> good luck
[19:47] <gremble> Thanks
[19:47] <gremble> Today's one was hard
[19:47] <gremble> I did not start studying early enough
[19:47] <Kilos> eish
[19:47] <gremble> Sometimes my other interests trip me up when it comes to these sort of things
[19:48] <Kilos> wb magespawn  
[19:48] <magespawn> ty
[19:50] <magespawn> in case you missed that, my windows laptop gets there fine
[19:50] <Kilos> lol
[19:50] <Kilos> throught the same router?
[19:50] <Kilos> through
[19:50] <magespawn> ypu
[19:50] <magespawn> yup
[19:50] <Kilos> theres the prob
[19:51] <Kilos> win corrupted the router
[19:52] <gremble> Lol
[19:52] <gremble> If only it were that easy
[19:52] <Kilos> haha
[19:52] <gremble> It is probably something odd that win handles magically
[19:52] <magespawn> okay, but what?
[19:56] <Kilos> not something in nm
[19:56] <gremble> I have no idea :P That is for you to find out haha. I know nothing about networking :P
[19:56] <Kilos> magespawn  is it only that site
[19:58] <inetpro> ai!
[20:00] <inetpro> the publicly accessible DNS servers at 196.7.7.7 as well at 196.7.8.9 return the address 127.0.0.1 for the hostname www.defcon.org
[20:01] <inetpro> in a case where your infrastructure uses those as DNS servers you will never reach www.defcon.org
[20:01] <inetpro> end of story
[20:01] <inetpro> ai!
[20:02] <inetpro> magespawn: you just missed what I wrote
[20:02] <inetpro> 06/11 22:00:32 <inetpro> the publicly accessible DNS servers at 196.7.7.7 as well at 196.7.8.9 return the address 127.0.0.1 for the hostname www.defcon.org
[20:02] <inetpro> 06/11 22:01:09 <inetpro> in a case where your infrastructure uses those as DNS servers you will never reach www.defcon.org
[20:02] <inetpro> 06/11 22:01:13 <inetpro> end of story
[20:02] <Kilos> lol
[20:03]  * inetpro suggests contacting afrihost
[20:05] <gremble> That is strange. 
[20:05] <gremble> haha
[20:08] <magespawn> hmm indeed thw windows machine has google dns set on itself, so not using the router dns
[20:08] <gremble> So you are being thwarted by your routers DNS?
[20:08] <gremble> That is pretty bizarre. What make is it?
[20:08] <magespawn> but interesting that even if i change the dns on the router, it still not allow me on to the site
[20:09] <magespawn> let me try something else
[20:11] <gremble> Today I got offered a job as a choreographer for strippers. I'm not sure what to make of it
[20:11] <superfly> inetpro: it's probably a hack
[20:11] <gremble> I thought they just undressed
[20:11] <superfly> "hack" as in, they specifically made it use 127.0.0.1
[20:12] <inetpro> superfly: true
[20:12] <inetpro> they will probably have a good reason for it
[20:13] <superfly> http://bin.snyman.info/977gq
[20:14] <superfly> my guess is a transparent proxy
[20:15] <stickyboy> inetpro: Is that some sort of DNS filtering done by the ISP?
[20:15] <stickyboy> I know some organizations do it.
[20:15] <stickyboy> Anways, just add the proper IP to /etc/hosts:  162.222.171.206  defcon.org www.defcon.org
[20:15] <stickyboy> :P
[20:15] <stickyboy> Fuck the DNS.
[20:16] <magespawn> back again
[20:16] <inetpro> and he just missed another good workaround
[20:16] <magespawn> repeat please?
[20:16] <inetpro> magespawn: 06/11 22:15:40 <stickyboy> Anways, just add the proper IP to /etc/hosts:  162.222.171.206  defcon.org www.defcon.org
[20:16] <magespawn> yup just done did that
[20:17] <inetpro> afrihost probably want you to use their proxy server
[20:17] <magespawn> but how dare they decide what i may and may not see?
[20:19] <magespawn> most people would think the problem lies elsewhere rather than with the isp
[20:20] <inetpro> most people probably will never visit the defcon site
[20:21] <magespawn> i was seriously starting to think my mind had taken a walk somewhere without me
[20:21] <magespawn> maybe, this way they do not even have the choice, you only need the illusion of freedom
[20:21] <inetpro> maybe it is just a very innocent mistake
[20:21] <magespawn> hmm
[20:23] <magespawn> i'll give them a call in the morning and find out if i can
[20:29] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[20:29] <Kilos> ty inetpro  
[20:29] <inetpro> Kilos: for?
[20:29] <inetpro> hmm...
[20:29] <inetpro> wb smile
[20:30] <smile> Bedankt
[20:30] <smile> :)
[20:30] <magespawn> hi smile
[20:30] <smile> Hoi! :)
[20:30] <magespawn> that is my cue, good night all
[20:30] <stickyboy> Man, Internet in South Africa is terrible...
[20:31] <stickyboy> You guys suffer. :(
[20:31] <smile> Stolen, o no
[20:31] <smile> Thats probably why they enjoy irc. :)
[20:34] <stickyboy> smile: True. It's hard to mess up IRC. :P
[20:34] <smile> Unstable connections can cause trouble though :-P
[20:49] <stickyboy> Anyone got any job openings in SA? :P
[20:50] <gremble> Even with our terrible internet?
[20:52] <smile> In telecom maybe, lol
[20:52] <smile> :-D
[21:00] <stickyboy> True.
[21:00] <stickyboy> Guess I'll stay in Kenya. :P
[21:02] <smile> :-O
[21:02] <smile> Belgium is better
[21:02] <smile> Far cooler climate
[21:03] <smile> With a lot of rain
[21:04] <smile> Stable internet connection. 8-) most of the time
[21:04] <stickyboy> smile: :P
[21:04] <stickyboy> Belgium sounds cool.
[21:04] <stickyboy> I've only been to NL a few times.
[21:05] <smile> Belgium is more chaotic but its a nice place to spend your life :-P
[21:05] <gremble> is SOAP as a thing deprecated or something?
[21:06] <smile> Not sure
[21:08] <superfly> "SOAP" is the phrase that is mentioned just before the developer groans loadly
[21:10] <gremble> It seems that way
[21:10] <gremble> It is like XML had a bastard baby
[21:10] <gremble> Well, what message looks like
[21:11] <gremble> I am trying to find an existing library to replace SOAPy in ibid
[21:11] <stickyboy> Just applied for a job in Munich.
[21:11] <stickyboy> And two in New York.
[21:11] <gremble> Nice
[21:11] <gremble> :o
[21:12] <stickyboy> I need to be around research... 
[21:12] <stickyboy> Physics, Biology... academia. Yessss.
[21:12] <gremble> :P
[21:18] <gremble> "Multi-protocol chat framework" nowhere does it specify actually which protocols these are
[21:18] <gremble> For all we know they use smoke signals and set your CPU on fire
[21:18] <smile> Lol
[21:18] <smile> With zeros and ones
[21:29] <gremble> I need to teach vim to recognise different source files and handle tabs and spaces appropriately
[21:34] <smile> Use geany
[21:34] <smile> :-P
[21:36] <gremble> I always feel lost in editors where I have to use my arrows to navigate
[21:37] <gremble> Even worse when I have to use the touch pad on this laptop
[21:38] <smile> Why not an external mouse
[21:39] <gremble> Because I only have so much deskspace
[21:39] <gremble> I am one of those people with the towers of books and papers everywhere
[21:40] <gremble> I got a wireless mouse for my desktop because there just isn't space for things attached to wires
[21:40] <smile> Lol
[21:42] <gremble> I even put another bookshelf in my room, to no avail
[21:43] <gremble> Nice non-seqitur on my part -> There is no space on my desk, therefore I use vim
[21:44] <smile> Yeah
[21:47] <smile> "My disk is full on my laptop. Therefore I use my desktop"
[21:47] <smile>  @ gremble 
[21:48] <gremble> :P
[21:49] <gremble> That probably makes more sense
[21:49] <gremble> xD
[21:51] <smile> It doesnt. You can empty the trash bin for instance
[21:51] <smile> :-D
[21:52] <gremble> There is a trashbin?
[21:52] <gremble> I just rm :P
[21:54] <gremble> The fact that I am installing python libraries and they're all compiling to C is entertaining
[21:55] <smile> Lol
[21:55] <gremble> I am rather easily entertained, yes
[21:55] <gremble> :P
[22:08] <smile> Slaapwel :)
[22:08] <gremble> Jy ook
[22:08] <smile> Dank :)