[00:05] <norcimo5> hello
[00:07] <ianorlyn> hi norcimo5 can I help?
[00:07] <norcimo5> Oh sorry, I'm just a fan. Getting my feet wet again with IRC after xx years away.
[00:08] <ianorlyn> there is #lubuntu-offtopic for general chat this channel is for support
[00:08] <norcimo5> gotcha
[14:53] <Dresk> So I did a distro upgrade from 14 to 15, and I'm noticing that I no longer have lubuntu-base in my packages, but I do have ubuntu-base - is that a problem?
[15:57] <holstein> Dresk: from 14.10 to 15.04?
[15:57] <Dresk> holstein: Yes sir / maam
[15:57] <holstein> Dresk: do you still have lubuntu 15.04?
[15:57] <holstein> if things look "normal" in lxde, and you are in a lubuntu session, i would say, all is well.. those are just "meta-pacakges"
[15:58] <Dresk> holstein: Meaning, what, in terms of having?
[15:58] <holstein> Dresk: are you booting into lxde?
[15:58] <Dresk> All does look well, yes
[15:58] <Dresk> holstein: Yes, I am
[15:58] <holstein> Dresk: cool.. i say,  enjoy, then, and dont worry with the meta-package
[15:58] <Dresk> holstein: It was offputting to me when everyday I would get Software Updates for "lubuntu-base", but now it's "ubuntu-base"
[15:59] <holstein> Dresk: you can look in the package manager of your choice, and see what the differences are in those meta packages
[15:59] <Dresk> Well I don't have lubuntu-base anymore, it's not an available package
[15:59] <holstein> could be, in the update, something was changed.. but, if you have lubuntu, you are fine
[16:00] <Dresk> holstein: I always found it difficult to understand that I have "lubuntu"; what should I consider as definitive evidence that I have lubuntu versus Ubuntu to a point where I just use LXDE by default and have some Lubuntu packages for configuring stuff
[16:00] <holstein> Dresk: sure.. lubuntu *is* ubuntu
[16:01] <holstein> Dresk: when you have lxde installed, it will get updated, when updates come in, regardless of the meta package
[16:02] <Eliz> Dresk: lubuntu is just ubuntu with a set of packages and a theme
[16:02] <Eliz> all installed from the meta-package "lubuntu-base"
[16:03] <Dresk> Argh!
[16:03] <Dresk> Eliz: That's the package I lost!
[16:03] <holstein> sure
[16:03] <holstein> and thats *fine*
[16:03] <Eliz> Dresk: it's not a real package
[16:03] <holstein> thats *not* lubuntu, or lxde.. thats just a meta package
[16:03] <Eliz> Dresk: essentially it's a blank package that says "install these packages"
[16:03] <Eliz> you still have all the other packages,
[16:04] <Dresk> Shouldn't I still see it in some form?
[16:04] <Eliz> and those are still updated
[16:04] <holstein> it says "install the lubuntu base that is a set of packages described by the name".. you *sill* have the packages, and they get updated
[16:04] <Eliz> Dresk: worst case, `apt-get install lubuntu-base`
[16:04] <Eliz> that'll just work
[16:04] <Dresk> Eliz: Would you recommend I do that when I have ubuntu-base installed and, as of now, everything seems fine?
[16:04] <holstein> !info lubuntu-desktop
[16:05] <holstein> you will still see that meta-package, if having a meta-package installed feels particularly "soothing" to you
[16:05] <Eliz> it ultimately really doesn't matter
[16:05] <Eliz> you can install it
[16:05] <holstein> you dont need it, since, you have lubuntu/lxde ubuntu installed, and are getting updates
[16:05] <Eliz> won't change much :p
[16:05] <Eliz> the fact it's "missing" literally will change nothing
[16:06] <holstein> its just a meta-package name, and things are changing..
[16:07] <Dresk> I thank yourselves for your time, it puts me to ease
[16:09] <Dresk> One other issue I have, I would greatly appreciate opinions on the matter - many of the applications I have come from Canonical (spelling?), and they take forever to update some of these apps (such as Pidgin) - what is someone to do in this scenario?  Does (L)Ubuntu have a well-supported, maybe semi-official repo for keeping things more up-to-date than Canonical?
[16:09] <Eliz> Dresk: no
[16:09] <Eliz> Dresk: we're not using any extra repos outside of the ubuntu repos
[16:09] <Eliz> find a closer mirror
[16:10] <holstein> Dresk: its not a rolling release.. they actually *never* update them, by design
[16:10] <holstein> you only get security updates, to most components.. web browsers are an exception
[16:10] <Dresk> One thing I noticed, heh
[16:11] <Eliz> oh, that kind of fast
[16:11] <Eliz> lol
[16:11] <holstein> there are PPA's that a creator can use to give you versions..
[16:11] <holstein> !ppa
[16:11] <holstein> or, you can build and install whatever versions you want
[16:11] <Eliz> thought you meant "slow to download" heh
[16:12] <holstein> what do i do in this scenario? i use stock sources when i can.. then, if i "Trust" the creator/maintainer of a PPA, i'll try it, knowing the risk and how to remove the  source
[16:12] <cheche1> Hi, I am searching for mame-ui on lubuntu 14.04 something similar to http://imagenes.es.sftcdn.net/es/scrn/54000/54089/mameui-04-700x525.jpg
[16:13] <holstein> !mame-ui
[16:13] <holstein> !info mame-ui
[16:13] <holstein> cheche1: what are you trying to accomplish?
[16:14] <cheche1> holstein: I hae mame running just fine on lubuntu
[16:14] <cheche1> but it lacks of a user interface
[16:14] <holstein> cheche1: im not sure what that *.jpg is, but, it looks like a simple file manager.. what are you trying to do?
[16:14] <cheche1> is a file manager with screenshot of the games
[16:15] <cheche1> people do not remember the name of the game, but does remember the screeenshot. :-)
[16:15] <holstein> cheche1: of "the games"?
[16:16] <cheche1> holstein: yes, sorry.
[16:17] <holstein> http://gmameui.sourceforge.net/
[16:18] <cheche1> holstein: yes. but it is not in lubuntu.
[16:18] <holstein> cheche1: sure.. i dont see it in the ubuntu repos, correct
[16:18] <holstein> cheche1: i dont think anything promises that.. but, if you like, you can implement the functionality you want
[16:20] <cheche1> holstein: there is as well gnome-video-arcade
[16:21] <holstein> cheche1: cool.. try it
[16:21] <holstein> !info gnome-video-arcade
[16:22] <holstein> looks like few dependencies..
[16:23] <holstein> launches.. looks good..
[16:24] <cheche1> I did, but it does not have screen shot of the games. Maybe I need to research what content is missing.
[16:25] <holstein> cheche1: or, maybe nothing is missing, at all.. but the software doesnt promise a screenshot.. try the other option, and see that it provides the functionality you seek.. you can also try main #ubuntu and see if anyone is using mame, since, its not speicifc to lubuntu/lxde
[16:31] <cheche1> holstein: seems like gmameui is deleted https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gmameui/
[16:31] <holstein> cheche1: yes. its not there.. its not in the stock ubuntu repos
[16:31] <holstein> cheche1: you'll want to look at the link i gave for a current fork.. you can ask the creators of the software for an ubuntu package
[16:31] <cheche1> holstein: sure.
[20:01] <Dresk> Well, after upgrading to 15.04 everything seems peachy, but both a native PulseAudio application (Teamspeak 3) and a non-native PulseAudio application (Pidgin) are giving me about a full second of latency in playback now, whereas lots of other apps are just fine
[20:06] <holstein> those should have latency
[20:07] <holstein> maybe not a full second,but, i dont think you can assume the issue yet.. could be networking related, etc
[20:10] <Dresk> holstein: They didn't have latency before
[20:11] <Dresk> holstein: I've been using Teamspeak3 since it was released and latency is not a feature of the app, let alone latency on the sounds it plays (it has latency in both sounds and people speaking)
[20:12] <Dresk> holstein: As for Pidgin, again, prior to upgrading, it had no latency, whereas now it has latency and it cuts off at the end, pretty much trimming the amount of time the latency took
[20:13] <Dresk> holstein: Audacious works just fine, playing my music instantly, XChat plays sound immediately, VLC again, immediately
[21:37] <whytrytofly> hello
[21:38] <whytrytofly> why cant i put the bootflag to several partitions of a drive
[21:39] <whytrytofly> or to ask in another why...why doesnt grub detectmy secondary OS
[21:45] <ianorlin> whytrytofly: which secondary os it should automatically I have it detecting 4 on my computer did you edit grub or something
[21:45] <whytrytofly> ianorlin: im editing grub now...secondary it puppy, seems like there is no autodetect
[21:46] <ianorlin> hmm haven't tried it with puppy although I thought that was mainly booted from live media
[23:57] <Gman> Hello Everyone, how are you doing?