=== tmpRAOF is now known as RAOF [05:20] good morning [06:15] Good morning [06:20] good morning desktopers [06:20] hey pitti, wie gehts? [06:20] bonjour seb128 ! gut, danke! [06:20] c'est un beau matin, avec beaucoup du soleil ! [06:20] ici aussi ! [06:21] seb128: do you know what happened in http://paste.ubuntu.com/11697411/ ? [06:22] seb128: did they use a broken intltool or something to wrap the tarball? [06:22] pitti, no, I don't really [06:22] the issue is due to https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~intltool/intltool/trunk/revision/742 [06:23] pitti, I copied what Laney did in http://launchpadlibrarian.net/202626076/gnome-bluetooth_3.8.2.1-0ubuntu11_3.8.2.1-0ubuntu12.diff.gz [06:23] but using intltoolize on the source should probably work as well [06:23] they probably rolled the tarball with intltool 0.50 which still had that definition [06:24] good morning pitti === ara is now known as Guest36049 [06:25] seb128: ah, so you already committed the fix now [06:26] pitti, yes, figured out my commit issue [06:28] seb128: what's the effect if you don't apply this patch? 3.16.0-1 builds just fine [06:29] pitti, if you build -1 with current intltool the translations are installed in a directory /usr/@DATADIRNAME@/locale [06:29] current ubuntu package has that [06:29] ./usr/share/locale/ast/LC_MESSAGES/gnome-tetravex.mo [06:29] dpkg -l | grep intltool ? [06:29] seb128: 0.50.2 in sid [06:29] pitti, that's the old version [06:30] seb128: ah, so this only applies to the experimental version? [06:30] Ubuntu has 0.51 [06:30] yes [06:30] the commit I pointed before is only in the newest version [06:31] seb128: i. e. do you want/need that uploaded to sid? (trying to add a justification for the half-NMU) [06:31] pitti, it's in pkg-gnome, I though you were in that? [06:31] no, don't bother [06:31] I am [06:31] I just wanted to keep the package in sync [06:31] just not in Uploaders:, but I guess I don't have to be [06:32] yeah, you don't, that's autogenerated from the previous uploaders in pkg-gnome [06:32] seb128: so if that were me, I'd do a -1svn1 upload to ubuntu now [06:33] keeps it autosyncable, and avoids an unnecessary sid upload [06:33] pitti, k, let me do that then, thanks ;-) [06:40] o/ [06:42] hey willcooke [06:42] good morning :) [06:43] hey willcooke [06:44] willcooke, you are european tz today? ;-) [06:45] The boy thought he should come and poke me in the face at 6am [06:45] and then climbed in my bed and went back to sleep [06:45] I was checking email on my phone anyway, figured I might as well get up [06:51] I guess it was his way to tell "dad, brings some money home" [06:51] hehe [06:53] lol [07:29] morning! [07:29] re larsu! [07:29] hey larsu [07:29] hi guys :) [07:29] how's things? [07:30] good! How did you get on yesterday? [07:30] I thought it was today for some reason [07:31] hey larsu [07:31] willcooke: it was, but they changed it for $MANAGER_REASONS [07:31] hi seb128 [07:31] larsu, ohhh. Was it fun? [07:31] willcooke: was good. A bit dull, but they were very interested and asked tons of questions [07:31] great! [07:31] Well, thank you *very* much for doing it [07:31] definitely fun to see that world [07:31] not sure if I would do it again :) [07:31] willcooke: sure! [07:32] larsu, @ do it again - acknowledged! [07:33] willcooke: feel free to ask if it comes up again. Just not sure yet :) [07:34] hm, the launcher is showing two irssi again [07:34] * larsu blames Laney's gnome-terminal wrapper [07:40] willcooke, btw, we got desktop-next-snappy to build on amd64 now and a channel up for it, having issue with u-d-f to generate the image now, but it's getting there [07:41] u-d-f needs some changes to know about the new channel and partition scheme update (they are coded to 1G that isn't enough for the personal image) [07:44] seb128: hum, I don't remember if I pushed or still have the branch changing it [07:45] didrocks, "it"? [07:45] seb128: it's quite easy to find in the source code [07:45] the limit [07:45] there are the uefi partition part and the traditional grub one [07:45] didrocks, just tried http://paste.ubuntu.com/11700710/ [07:45] but u-d-f bails out on [07:45] "issue while mapping partitions: more partitions then expected while creating loop mapping" [07:46] which might be something else [07:46] oh, interesting [07:46] didn't get that one [07:46] waiting on sergiusens, he knows that tool better [07:46] you only changed the grub part, without uefi [07:46] though [07:46] mvo, ^ [07:46] (not sure which one you are using) [07:46] unsure about the other error though [07:46] I'm testing on i386 atm, so likely grub [07:47] mvo has the same issue on amd64 though [07:47] yeah, the 2 issues are unrelated for sure [07:47] yeah, I wonder if the channel/partition scheme is different between core and personal [07:47] and if u-d-f doesn't handle it [07:47] can be… [07:47] I modified the limit to install core at the time [07:47] (and have more space) [07:48] mvo: you probably want to change diskimage/core_uboot.go for the future as well [07:48] why did you need that for core? [07:48] the 1G should be enough there [07:48] didrocks: its just hacking around right now, this need some proper work [07:49] seb128: yeah, the change is unconditional with your patch [07:49] mvo, recompressed the device tarball in .xz locally, it's down from 148 to 120, not 78, something is weird with the file we get from the channel [07:49] seb128: but both file (the one you got changed and the core_uboot) one are both for core as well [07:49] just one is for uefi, the other for grub [07:49] right [07:49] the proper patch needs to have conditions [07:50] or that needs to be a command line option [07:50] yep [07:50] (but I guess better to mirror the config for now as there is already some duplication to not wonder later "why this one is 4 and this one 1?" [07:51] yeah [07:58] seb128, udf? Ubuntu Disk ?? [07:58] seb128, also.... woooo! Thank you! [07:58] willcooke, no, https://code.launchpad.net/goget-ubuntu-touch [07:58] willcooke, the go tool used to write snappy images [07:58] build/write [07:59] oooh, neat [08:00] oooh, random email PGP encrypted [08:00] from what looks like a dummy account [08:00] do I bother decrypting it? [08:00] Subject: Xmir [08:01] it's robert_ancell playing tricks on you?! ;-) [08:02] hahaha! [08:02] oh, it's from a guy who wants to know how to run Xmir [08:02] totally legit [08:02] and disappointing :) [08:02] lol [08:05] hello [08:05] morning Laney! [08:05] hey Laney! [08:05] ello laney [08:05] Laney, Thunderstorms today \o/ [08:06] larsu: I hate owning that wrapper, I don't even use it, can someone else please just take it over from me? [08:06] willcooke: really? [08:06] hey Laney, happy friday [08:06] better bring that washing in! [08:06] :D [08:06] Laney: didrocks uses it.... *cough* [08:06] I just get pinged when it breaks [08:06] I guess everyone using gnome-terminal on ubuntu uses it :D [08:06] but I don't even make use of its facilities [08:06] so I will never see that myself [08:06] ah, fair enuogh [08:07] didrocks, found out what was wrong with my webcam, I had a TV tuner plugged in and it was trying to use that instead [08:08] willcooke: interesting, do you have any tool to switch your input video source? [08:08] didrocks, I was fiddling to get SDR working, so I had some crazy kernel modules loaded [08:09] willcooke: that's the risk when you play with too many toys :) [09:30] * Laney stabs dbus-test-runner [09:33] * Laney screamcries [09:33] tedg: please to help with the testsuite? [09:47] pitti: I guess you're on the udisks2 failure? [09:48] Laney: looking [09:49] ah, didn't mean to distract you, figured you would be there already [09:49] it's not glib's only blocker atm :) [09:50] dbus-test-runner/ppc worked after 3-4 retries though ... [09:50] but making things work that way makes me feel unclean [09:54] Laney: can reproduce locally, I'll investigate this today [09:55] sure, no rush, thanks [11:02] "general: rework menus of nautilus" [11:02] this might be a hard update ... [11:07] * Laney may pick something else for now :) [11:12] hey Laney [11:13] just had a discussion within the xubuntu team about which milestones to join, and i was wondering what "I put myself down for nusakan (cdimage) pres butaning for A2 and B1." actually means [11:14] You need someone in Canonical to run the scripts which publish the images [11:14] nusakan is the machine which we do that on [11:14] ok, i guess there were just several words there i have never heard before :) [11:14] butaning? [11:14] (i know what bhutan is and what butane is) [11:15] haha [11:15] just read it as running the scripts [11:15] press button :) [11:16] oh, so "butaning" ~ "buttoning"? [11:16] ah hehe, nice [11:18] It's some meme that I don't even know the origin of [11:18] * Laney fails at internet [11:18] there are days when i feel too old for memes [11:19] (luckily there are also other days!) [11:20] anyway [11:20] hopefully we get volunteers [11:22] indeed [11:22] well we've done one last cycle, but we just lost the person knowing the most about it (elfy) [11:22] you lost elfy? [11:23] well yes [11:23] bleh, shame [11:23] i don't know any details (and i'm not sure i want to), but it was connected to the community council / kubuntu turmoil somehow [11:24] so yeah, no fun [11:24] ya [11:25] i might have to take on more QA duties within xubuntu now, so i'm not a huge fan of stepping up for the b1 release if i don't have to (sorry :/ ) [11:26] it's not essential to have the milestone if flavours don't want it [11:27] yeah i know, we discussed it a bit [11:27] let's see who else replies after me [11:41] Laney, oh, btw, in case you didn't notice we have an amd64 build from desktop-next now ;-) [11:42] nice! [11:42] does the channel work? [11:42] no [11:42] well "work" [11:42] it's configured/available [11:42] but the image build fails [11:42] could be client side u-d-f issue though [11:42] c.f what I just wrote on #snappy [11:43] fair enough [11:43] getting there [11:43] yeah [11:43] we have most of the pieces in place now [11:46] how will you flash onto a laptop? [11:47] you write an image with u-d-f and dd that to an usb stick [11:47] then you boot that and you dd to a disk I guess [11:47] the "installing" part is in the snappy team backlog [11:48] having an image you can kvm boot or dd on an usb stick is already going to be a first step for testing [11:48] what is ubuntu-device-flash doing there? [11:48] it's fetching tarballs from the server and combining them into a bootable image [11:48] dealing with creating partitions and such [11:48] and unpacking things where they should be [11:48] doing the a-b scheme etc [11:49] can't we just make that thing straight away with the image build? [11:49] mvo, ^ ? [11:50] I'm unsure why we need the client side tools indeed [11:50] s/just// ;-) [11:50] seems like it would be easier to download an img you can dd [11:50] * Laney dislikes that [11:50] we used to call it the "categorical just" in computer science [11:50] I guess they have their reasons [11:50] "isn't that just a ?" [11:51] "it's only code" :p [11:52] Laney, one thing the u-d-f client side is useful for is that it let you tweaks bits of the image [11:52] like the size of the rw partition [11:52] or enabling dev mode or ssh [11:53] well, I guess it makes sense in the snappy vision [11:53] there is an ubuntu-core base [11:53] then modular snaps for different hardware platforms and such [11:53] so you can combine locally the bits you need [11:54] rather than having to host imaged for every combinaison [11:54] images [11:57] hello [11:58] seb128: do you remember the gvfs + samba + ACL issue we discussed some time ago? bug #1464645 [11:58] bug 1464645 in gvfs (Ubuntu) "Samba shares over gvfs do not respect ACL rules" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1464645 [11:58] dgadomski, hey [11:58] not really no [11:58] reading [11:59] is that the thing you emailed the list about? [11:59] e.g being able to specify mount options? [11:59] seb128: yes, that's the same thing [11:59] k, I do remember yes [11:59] we didn't have a bug about that? [11:59] seb128, Laney: doing that on cdimage would be ideal, we need to make it bootable there which is a bit tricky, kpartx is used for that right now and that requires root [12:00] seb128: I am not aware about any such bug [12:00] dgadomski, so all the previous discussions were not based on a reported bug? [12:01] seb128: not a lp bug at least ;) I just wanted to know if that is even possible to implement before filing a bug [12:01] oh ok === alan_g is now known as alan_g|lunch [12:02] dgadomski, if none of our users reported the issue so it must not be important ;-) [12:02] seb128: yeah, probably it's just affecting specific environments [12:04] seb128: do you think it is possible to implement it by providing extra mount options by an env variable or a gsetting? [12:05] dgadomski, unsure what would be the right level to specify the mount options [12:05] maybe pitti has a better idea about that, he knows that stack better [12:06] I've been reading the gvfs code and it's architecture is pretty specific, I'm not entirely sure what is possible with that implementation [12:07] is gvfs event the right layer for that? [12:07] or would udisks be better? [12:07] if I understand it correctly there is a single mounted fuse filesystem reflecting all kinds of other filesystems with specific backends [12:08] the fuse mounts are for clients that don't use gio/gvfs right? [12:08] otherwise the specific backends don't go through that [12:08] e.g samba uses libsamba [12:08] not the fuse mount [12:09] is it? I was getting an impression that there is only one fuse mounted at /run/user//gvfs and it just maps all the shares inside that single fuse [12:10] i.e. when I mount a samba share it is not displayed as a separate mount, it's just displayed as a dir below /run/user//gvfs [12:10] no, I think that's just an addition to allow non-gnome apps to access the mounts [12:10] right [12:10] the gvfs backend don't have fs access points [12:11] if you talk to a smb://... uri it talk to gvfs which talks to the server using libsamba [12:11] oh, I see [12:11] the fuse mounts are an extra feature so legacy apps/non gnome ones can access the mount [12:12] so I have confused that mechanism for the standard one [12:12] so you suspect this has to be done on a non-gvfs level? === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|lunch [12:16] dgadomski, no, in fact I'm unsure what your issue is [12:16] the bug you report is one with the gvfs fuse compat mount [12:16] but that mount is not used if you e.g edit a smb file with gedit [12:16] so if you have a more specific user facing issue, fixing the fuse mount is not going to resolve it [12:17] you should better open a bug explaining the user issue [12:17] e.g "mount a server; edit a file in gedit; save; notice the file permissions are wrong" [12:17] or whatever issue you are actually concerned about there [12:18] seb128: you are right, I misunderstood the problem while I was reporting the bug, I'll fix that [12:18] thanks [12:18] thank you seb128 [12:18] yw! [12:28] bah, GTK [12:28] * seb128 kicks the fileselector not letting you type the letter of a file or folder anymore [12:29] oh, typical gtk :-( [12:29] https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=748672 [12:29] Gnome bug 748672 in Widget: GtkFileChooser "type-to-find doesnt work anymore" [Normal,New] [12:30] "It's not a bug; the removal of the type-ahead search was very much intentional:" [12:31] though mclasen hits he sort of want to fix just, they just did the typical "let's do what we want throwing things on the way and fix later" [12:32] ya this is bad [12:32] *urgh* [12:32] larsu had a mini argument with them about it [12:32] maybe it's easy to put back on, can you file a gtk316 bug? [12:32] this makes me want to have a different toolkit [12:32] Laney, right, going to do that in a bit [12:33] it's a one liner revert [12:33] https://git.gnome.org/browse/gtk+/commit/?id=8f9c8120b9d8a4cfa9ed1777da37f7a2d618a3a6 [12:33] https://git.gnome.org/browse/gtk+/commit/?id=71bd1c7e2c5252b5103bf029e437787e0a002951 as well [12:33] I am wary of saying that :) [12:33] it might have been in january but who knows what happened since [12:34] right [12:38] Laney, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gtk+3.0/+bug/1464654 [12:38] Launchpad bug 1464654 in gtk+3.0 (Ubuntu) "can't typeahead in the fileselector anymore with gtk 3.16" [Undecided,New] [12:38] thx [12:38] yw! [12:39] * Laney tries LP git for gstreamer packaging [12:39] nice! [12:39] could be a topic to discuss at Debconf ;-) [12:40] I should just be able to push an 'ubuntu' branch to LP === alan_g|lunch is now known as alan_g [13:21] libreoffice-5.0.0~beta3 building since 2 hours. and -- oh, wonders -- amd64 seems to be fixed. [13:21] \o/ [13:25] where is the snap ? [13:25] no trolling, it's not fri... oh wait [13:25] lol [13:27] * didrocks snappifies ogra_ [13:27] * ogra_ feels snappy now [13:27] I don't trust this guy, put him in a sandbox! :) [13:27] * didrocks hugs ogra_ [13:28] * ogra_ hugs didrocks [13:34] has anyone else noticed that software-center in vivid doesn't show application icons anymore? [13:35] mdeslaur, i have them here [13:36] most are the generic box though ... [13:37] ogra_: this is what I'm seeing in vivid: http://snag.gy/ahDyp.jpg [13:37] yeah, all the generic icons instead of the application ones [13:37] right, but there are still apps that have a proper icon [13:37] (gparted, inkscape etc) [13:38] a few work, but on utopic, I get all of them [13:38] weird [13:39] this is utopic: http://snag.gy/s7hND.jpg [13:41] mvo: where does software-center get it's icons from? [13:44] mdeslaur, guess what? [13:45] it's a new-gtk issue... [13:45] I bet it has to do with the change to enforce the icon size [13:45] seb128: why, of course is it :) [13:45] first thing I tried, use gtk 3.12 and ... bingo, it works [13:45] seb128: meh, on vivid? [13:45] mvo, yes [13:45] :( [13:46] awesomesauce === MacSlow|lunch is now known as MacSlow [13:52] mvo, you might need to force the icon size you request [13:53] * didrocks whistles "backward compatibility" [13:53] * seb128 whistles "gtk" [13:53] seb128: we have a mail-thread about the maintenance just now, don't we :) [13:54] mvo, yeah ;-) [13:54] * mdeslaur gets popcorn [13:54] lol [13:54] seb128: just rename it snappy-software-center [13:55] seb128: I can not even release, I don't know where the debian dir is, I'm happy to fixup stuff, but then it needs to become something that I can actually bzr-buildpackage [13:55] oh, more fun [13:55] * mvo stops complaining and writes code [13:55] mdeslaur: hahaha [13:56] reviews are broken [13:56] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/software-center/+bug/1462211 [13:56] Launchpad bug 1462211 in software-center (Ubuntu) "submit_review_gtk3.py throws an exception" [Undecided,New] [13:56] works with old gtk as well [13:56] invalid property n_rows on a GtkGrid [13:56] shrug [13:57] bug #1445745 [13:57] bug 1445745 in software-center (Ubuntu) "Not able to write a review (Unable to show 'none')" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1445745 [13:57] " It appears that the Glade utility uses an "n_rows" property field on GtkGrids that is no longer good" [13:58] it's a way at least to not have bad reviews on software-center because there very few icons showing up ;) [13:58] lol [13:59] hehehe [14:00] hello from ottawa [14:00] hey desrt ;-) [14:00] how is ottawa? [14:00] hey desrt! [14:00] it's a beautiful city :) [14:00] desrt: oh, following the women's soccer championship? [14:00] and it's filled with people who have a lot of the same concerns as we often do... [14:01] pitti: BSDCan [14:01] * pitti was watching on Sun and yesterday [14:01] desrt: /!\ soccer discussion detected [14:01] didrocks: no kidding :) [14:01] too many europeans here :) [14:02] :) [14:02] it's like a critical mass thing [14:02] pitti: i didn't realise it was here until yesterday when we randomly happened upon the stadium :) [14:02] didrocks: okay, okay, I STFU :) [14:03] mvo, if you fix issues dobey can probably help you to roll a package update then [14:03] enjoying "ze games"? [14:03] didrocks, you should enjoy woman soccer, Lyon has the best team in France ;-) [14:04] be proud of your city ! :p [14:04] and it's muuuuch less commercialized than men's soccer [14:04] professional sports are lame [14:05] here come the curling man ;-) [14:05] seb128: really? I even didn't know it [14:05] man.. curling sure is swell [14:05] but even it's starting to get 'more professional' unfortunately :( [14:05] but i mean... seriously [14:05] look at what it turns into [14:05] the contest is who has the best drug chemists to better hide drugs [14:06] and who can give the biggest bribes to fifa or ioc without getting caught [14:06] oh, it's time for Tour de France again ;) [14:06] (saw chemist, hiding drugs…) [14:06] huh? [14:06] didrocks: ya.. another fine example [14:06] hey dobey [14:07] oh, hmm [14:08] dobey, mvo might need help to get s-c package updated ;-) [14:08] unsure if you changed things when you were working on it [14:09] i made it non-native. but i'm sure mvo has sufficient upload permissions and can easily just throw a patch in debian/patches to quickly SRU something if needed [14:11] keynote talk right now is being given by the guy who invented environment variables [14:13] desrt: ah, long env var vs. dconf discussion after that? :-) [14:13] i don't know if dconf would run on a PDP. i'm rather certain it didn't exist in the 60s :) [14:17] just told an amusing story of how "void" got invented [14:17] ritchie was originally against it until he realise that he could save a single instruction :) [14:18] desrt: ah, otherwise everything would have had to return int? [14:18] ya [14:18] saves a pop off the stack, I figure :) [14:18] i guess they probably used a register [14:18] so, saves a LOAD reg, 0? [14:18] ya.. basically [14:25]