[04:44] <cedian_linux> My compilation failed even with make -i, but I don't got the full output
[05:18] <jcbjoe> hello is 15.10 coming out soon or 15.04 ?
[05:19] <jcbjoe> last i see an update was 12-May-2015
[07:24] <cedian_linux> It fails to include external
[07:35] <cedian_linux> how can I go back to the default
[07:38] <mr-test> hi
[07:39] <mr-test> when doing a factory reset on ubuntu touch, will that also affect the root partition?
[07:42] <cedian_linux> How can I go back to the base without the compiled stuff, because it has compiled some *.o's but not all, what doesn't help out.
[07:42] <cedian_linux> I got a backup of the apparmor, tohugh
[07:56] <liuxg> my keyboard is not popped up in the new software.
[08:13] <mikubuntu> anybody have any experience or luck installing ubuntu touch to a tablet? i have a vodafone smarttab 7" (SRF77) would like to know if its possible.
[08:14] <k1l_> did you look into the list on the wiki or on xda if someone tried it before?
[08:15] <mikubuntu> i din't see it on supported list -- but i'm willing to take any chances if someone wanted to walk me through attempting an install.
[08:16] <mikubuntu> actually very few devices on supported list that i could see
[08:17] <k1l_> mikubuntu: then see the porting guide.
[08:19] <mikubuntu> kll - yes i'm looking at it
[08:19] <Mirv> niemeyer: ok I tried running the gengl before building on armhf but it didn't help. if you have any tips on how to make the qml.v1 building on armhf, I (+ mandel) would be happy to know. ciborium armhf build is blocking landing Qt 5.4.2 to wily.
[08:28] <mikubuntu> kll -- how soon till the process is a little less technical -- lol.
[08:29] <k1l_> mikubuntu: the issue as  such is very technical. its not like on PC hardware where you just boot a ubuntu.iso and everything is fine.
[08:32] <mikubuntu> is there any way to contact touch team members in my local area who might be interested in attempting a port to a new device (i'm in south florida -- usa)
[08:36] <popey> mikubuntu: yeah, there's a few in florida
[08:36] <popey> but not sure many of them have porting experience.
[08:36] <popey> It's generally a good idea for the person with the device to do the porting
[08:37] <k1l_> mikubuntu: i would try xda forums in the device section for that device. there might be a few who already did fiddle with linux ports for that device and can help you or tell if its possible at all (bootloader, drivers etc)
[08:38] <mikubuntu> well, since i'm not tech enough to contribute in a developmental capacity, one way i could contribute would be to put devices in their hands i was thinking
[08:39] <popey> it's quite a time consuming task
[08:39] <popey> and the motivation for someone else to port it is low
[08:39] <popey> motivation for you is higher, because you actually own the device :)
[08:39] <popey> Also, makes sense to port to devices that there are lots of on the market
[08:39] <popey> (like nexus 5, oneplus etc)
[08:40] <popey> also, that device you have looks old and crusty :)
[08:41] <mikubuntu> nexus is kind of high end isn't it? as far as phones go, i would think more in terms of lg and samsung for global market.
[08:41] <popey> those too
[08:41] <popey> that was just an example
[08:42] <mikubuntu> popey -- i'm guessing its at least 6-8 yrs old -- not sure. its running android 4.1.1.
[08:42] <popey> yeah, I doubt you'll have much luck there
[08:46] <mikubuntu> so it sounds like the old linux mantra against planned obsolescence with regard for programming for older devices is not necessarily a value in the quest to develop ubuntu touch. i get it -- as kll said, theres no comparison between porting one of these and installing lubuntu on an old laptop.
[08:50] <mikubuntu> however, as i just read on the porting page, canonical is definitely interested in "rapidly support(ing) a wide range of devices."
[08:53] <k1l_> mikubuntu: that all depends on how much porting community that device got. i own a hp touchpad and i run cm12.1 on it. it never came with android in the first place. so best is to ask like on xda
[08:55] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Friday, and happy Peanut Butter Cookie Day! 😃
[08:58] <mikubuntu> kll what os came on the hp touchpads?
[08:59] <k1l_> webos
[09:13] <tvoss> greyback_, ping
[09:22] <greyback_> tvoss: pong
[09:23] <tvoss> greyback_, unping :) apparently, freenode is working in terms of irc
[09:23] <greyback_> tvoss: you too, ok, have same issue
[10:04] <cedian_linux> Hi, I was using tor in firefox and it didn't work out for irc clients, so I'm now proxy less
[10:04] <cedian_linux> In the terminal I use a proxy
[10:05] <cedian_linux> I'm at school and I'm refetching the files, because it didn't work
[10:07] <cedian_linux> My files were fetching in /home/cedian intead of /home/cedian/phablet
[10:17] <cedian_linux> I never want a mac, go Linux, Apple fails
[10:17] <cedian_linux> Don't like the price Apple asks for their devices
[10:17] <cedian_linux> That's why I own the OnePlus one
[10:18] <chaology> I have a mac with linux on it :)
[10:18] <chaology> But yes they are too expensive
[10:18] <cedian_linux> That's a bit better, but Apple is very expensve for closed source
[10:19] <cedian_linux> I love the active development of linux
[10:19] <ice9> when I run phablet-dev-bootstrap -c phablet  I get this error https://gist.github.com/anonymous/5b3c993ad12e307cf1c0
[10:19] <chaology> I'll probably never buy a new mac, plus the new ones are designed to throttle the cpu within normal usage.
[10:20] <cedian_linux> I don't like the macbooks they're too flat
[10:21] <cedian_linux> I own a old 2011 laptop, but I got it for free from my parents
[10:22] <cedian_linux> it's an acer aspire 7551-P322G25Mn
[10:26] <Mirv> mandel: do you happen to be back in business today?
[10:26] <cedian_linux> I run gentoo on my external drive and ubuntu on my non official internal, it's a small internal, the original crashed when my brother owned this laptop, he putted a 60gb hdd in it, my granddad has a good friend who once destroyed his laptop totally, I couldn't repair it, my granddad said keep the internal drive, it had Windows 7 on it,  ran for a while, but the external dirve crashed and I first downloaded gentoo, but got a
[10:26] <mandel> Mirv, yes, tell me
[10:26] <cedian_linux> gentoo internal with Ubuntu, because of ubuntu touc
[10:27] <mandel> Mirv, I read your message to gustavo.. any feedback?
[10:27] <Mirv> mandel: the ciborium is the only blocking part of landing Qt 5.4.2 now.  lp:~timo-jyrinki/ciborium/port_to_qml.v1  is my attempt to port ciborium to qml.v1 as instructed by doko
[10:27] <Mirv> mandel: no answer from gustavo
[10:27] <mandel> Mirv, let me look at that branch
[10:27] <Mirv> mandel: to my surprise that branch even compiles, it'd be useful to check if it's a sane approach in general since I hadn't touched anything Go or ciborium before :) but the armhf fails because of GLdouble not defined
[10:28] <Mirv> mandel: of course, if qml.v0 could be fixed to work, that'd be even better. I don't have a clue about what's the problem to begin with with that. qml.v0 doesn't have the whole gl/ subdirectory that causes problems with qml.v1
[10:29] <Mirv> mandel: the gl/ seems to be fully autogenerated from spec, I'm not sure how much the qml.v1 really requires it either to begin with, but it is referred to
[10:30] <mandel> Mirv, ack, I'll take a closer look
[10:31] <Mirv> thanks
[10:41] <cedian-linux> I'm back at school the network goes on and off
[10:44] <cedian-linux> It might have to do something with downloading 15 gigs. :P
[10:45] <cedian-linux> I must leave
[10:54] <eks> hello again everyone, can someone tell me how to share internet from Ubuntu touch??
[10:58] <eks> adb shell android-gadget-service enable rndis ???
[10:59] <ogra_> yes, that makes USB tethering work
[11:01] <eks> I had to install first android tools but after all my terminal said.. Device not found
[11:01] <Elleo> nik90: we've just passed 2000 users (and 3200 downloads) for podbird :)
[11:01] <Elleo> nik90: will do a bunch more reviews this weekend, started doing some on Sunday but then got distracted by that orientation bug
[11:01] <nik90> Elleo: wow!
[11:02] <nik90> Elleo: lets disable automaticOrientation until that bug is fixed.
[11:02] <Silex> sturmflut2, ogra_, popey: FYI I was able to flash my phone, and with android! The issue was that the package "modem-manager" prevented me from doing a "hard reset" recovery (but it wasn't disruptive enought to prevent normal fastboot from working)
[11:02] <Elleo> nik90: yeah, I suspect it'll be fixed when the shell rotation stuff lands, since that handles orientation completely differently
[11:02] <popey> Silex: congratulations
[11:02] <Elleo> nik90: and that's in the process of landing in devel-proposed at the moment I believe
[11:02] <popey> Silex: not sure why someone would do that, but okay.
[11:02] <ogra_> Silex, oh, yeah, thats a known issue, modemmanager eats your serial devices ... we should have thoruht of that
[11:02] <ogra_> *thought
[11:03] <Silex> ogra_: it's hard to notice because things work just fine for fastboot/adb
[11:03] <ogra_> yeah
[11:03] <Elleo> nik90: I also need to find some time to get the podbird.org webservices into a usable state, since notifications are one of the main things left that people are asking for which we don't support yet
[11:03] <Silex> ogra_: BQ linked me to a great "do this dumbly" page: http://www.mibqyyo.com/articulos/2015/06/01/installation-process-ubuntu-android/
[11:03] <ogra_> it is also that we dont really use the flash tool much ...
[11:04] <nik90> Elleo: the next update for podbird v0.6.1 need ubuntu-sdk-15.04..so my guess is that it is atleast 2-3 weeks away considering we need some translation updates as well. This is just a performance update mostly.
[11:04] <Silex> I don't know why it isn't linked on the main firmware page, but well
[11:04]  * ogra_ has used it twice in his life
[11:04] <nik90> Elleo: I agree..push notifications will be the killer feature that podbird brings
[11:04] <eks> Mm.. Thanks, I will try find something in other place
[11:05] <Elleo> nik90: yeah, plus podcast suggestions and charts will be really nice to add too
[11:05] <ogra_> eks, do you use the android-tools from the phablet-team PPA ?
[11:06] <ogra_> eks, also note that you can use the terminal app for this command ... android-gadget-service enable rndis works there too
[11:06] <nik90> Elleo: true..I am still not too happy with the startup performance though :/ .. the auto-update on every app startup freezes the UI. I have some bandaid solutions but the real solution is too big to address.
[11:06] <Elleo> nik90: well, I guess the real solution would be to implement the C++ fetching and parsing and have it in a separate thread
[11:07] <nik90> Elleo: yeah...one step at a time..lets deal with that once we get a nice notification and podcast discovery feature up and running.
[11:08] <Elleo> yeah
[11:08] <nik90> for now, I think we should show a busy dialog or something..since otherwise user just thinks app froze
[11:08] <Elleo> yeah
[11:08] <nik90> I will experiment some solutions meanwhile
[11:08] <Elleo> okay, cool
[11:09] <mr-test> when doing a factory reset on ubuntu touch, will that also affect the root partition?
[11:09] <ogra_> mr-test, no, the root partition is readonly ... it will remove all bits from the writable space though
[11:10] <mr-test> ogra_: ok, thanks
[11:10] <ogra_> (which includes writable root partition bits)
[11:10] <ogra_> the rootpartition itself is only touched during updates when the delta is applied
[11:10] <mr-test> ogra_: is it a problem when changes to root were made(small changes though) and then doing a update afterwards?
[11:11] <ogra_> yes ... if you made them to existing files that changed your changes will be reverted
[11:11] <mr-test> ogra_: ok but no damage from the upgrade?
[11:11] <mr-test> except for lost changes
[11:12] <ogra_> no
[11:12] <mr-test> i mean, doesn't delta update require the original file?
[11:13] <ogra_> its a delta between two rootfses ... changed files are replaced completely ... its not a byte by byte delta :)
[11:13] <jgdx> I think the fancy scroll feature in the sdk docs have stopped working
[11:13] <mr-test> ah ok, thanks :)
[11:14] <mr-test> anyone knows when we will get a terminal that doesn't freeze when in background? i heard that's coming, but don't know when
[11:14] <jgdx> mhall119, ^ (probably not your plate)
[11:14] <ogra_> never officially
[11:14] <ogra_> buit via the hack store that mzanetti runs :)
[11:15] <ogra_> it think there is something in the works to except the terminal from lifecycle mgmt
[11:15] <mr-test> ogra_: link? is it working with stock firmware or do i need dev? :D
[11:16] <mr-test> ogra_: so is it coming or not when you say "never officially" and "in the works"?
[11:16] <ogra_> it will likely never be a feature of the one in the official store
[11:16] <ogra_> but there is a store for hacked packages where i heard someone works on it
[11:17] <ogra_> (it will pretty likely make your battery die in 1h or some such :) )
[11:17] <mr-test> ogra_: i thought this would go in the official terminal app according to what was said during some hangout
[11:18] <ogra_> https://open.uappexplorer.com/apps
[11:18] <mr-test> ogra_: why should a terminal app drain battery unless there's something heavy running in it?
[11:18] <ogra_> well, it keeps a process running permanently ...
[11:19] <ogra_> we gain such good battery life because we explicitly forbid that
[11:19] <mr-test> ogra_: notebooks do that too. android does it. so?
[11:19] <ogra_> android doesnt run 3 days on one charge on this device :)
[11:19] <ogra_> at least for me
[11:20] <mr-test> ogra_: 3 days with what usage(on ubuntu e4.5)?
[11:20] <ogra_> only mild usage indeed ...
[11:21] <ogra_> i get 5-7 days when i leave it completely idle ... about 3 if i only chack mail and stuff once in a while during the day ... and about 1 day with heavy usage
[11:21] <ogra_> *check
[11:22] <mr-test> ogra_: any idea how many hours the screen is on when you get 3 days?
[11:22] <ogra_> (indeed of you play machines vs machines all day i guess you end up with half a day or some such)
[11:22] <ogra_> not many
[11:22] <ogra_> a few minutes every few hours
[11:24] <mr-test> ogra_: is there some battery check/bench for ubuntu?
[11:24] <ogra_> i'm not sure there is anything specific for the battery ... cking has some measuring tools in the image for measuring power consumption etc
[11:26] <mr-test> ogra_: i'd like to know if my battery is still giving full capacity, because i think it doesn't last as long as it did :/
[11:27] <ogra_> upower -d
[11:27] <ogra_> that has some of that info
[11:27] <ogra_> (not all i thinnk)
[11:27] <mr-test> ogra_: what does that command do?
[11:29] <mr-test> hum, don't see much more info there
[11:30] <ogra_> it dumps all info upower has to manage the battery
[11:31] <mr-test> ogra_: ~5 hours @ heavy usage(browsing+music) ain't right, am i correct?
[11:32] <ogra_> well, music drives an amp ... and runs in background
[11:32] <mr-test> maybe 7, not sure
[11:34] <mr-test> ogra_: well i read a samsung s3 runs 24h @music, and the bq should have good battery life, so..
[11:36] <mr-test> maybe i should just leave it running @ idle for 5 days, seems like this is the only sane way to compare battery life :/ (or maybe via a torch app)
[11:52] <mcphail> mr-test: Iown a bq ubuntu and an S3 (currently on cyanogen and previously on stock). Battery on bq lasts about twice as long with similar usage. In saying that, the Samsung does more when screen off
[12:20] <Mirv> niemeyer: I noticed only glbase is in use and deleted qml.v1/gl/* except for gl/glbase and got the ciborium to build at least now.
[12:21] <niemeyer> Mirv: Hey
[12:21] <niemeyer> Mirv: Ok.. What's the build issue.. Still GLfloat?
[12:25] <tvoss> bzoltan, ping
[12:30] <Mirv> niemeyer: so with only glbase there it now builds on armhf too, so looking good (from my point of view). mandel will look at the MP regaarding whether he wants to redo it or if it's ok https://code.launchpad.net/~timo-jyrinki/ciborium/port_to_qml.v1/+merge/261707
[12:30] <mr-test> is there a way to send a notification from the terminal app/adb to the phone screen?
[12:31] <niemeyer> That kills the whole GL support
[12:31] <niemeyer> Mirv: I believe it used to work, as I run a few tests on the phone before.. It's been a while though
[12:36] <mr-test> afaik there was notify-send on utouch, but it's not there anymore. is there any replacement?
[12:47] <bzoltan> tvoss:  hi, it seems I can not make it to this call...I have to run home
[12:47] <tvoss> bzoltan, sure, no worries. ping'd you to point the call I set up next week
[12:56] <mzanetti> ogra_, just FYI, I have Dekko exempt from lifecycle and my battery runs 2 days
[12:56] <ogra_> ah
[12:57] <ogra_> well, then it isnt perhaps as bad as expected
[12:57] <mzanetti> it totally is not
[12:57] <mzanetti> with the terminal, well, obviously it depends what command you are running in there
[12:57] <ogra_> right
[12:57] <mzanetti> but as long as the terminal is just idling you won't notice any difference
[12:58] <DanChapman> mzanetti: is that dekko from the store? or the notifications one?
[12:59] <mzanetti> DanChapman, no, the one from the store so far
[12:59] <mzanetti> reminds me... really need to upgrade to the one. you sent me a testing package right?
[13:00] <DanChapman> mzanetti: awesome, that's nice to know it lasts that long with no changes.
[13:00] <mr-test> mzanetti: so dekko runs in background? how does it do that?
[13:00] <DanChapman> mzanetti: let me build you a updated one. I made some changes to it. The previous keeps reminding of any unread messages and not just newly arrived
[13:01] <mzanetti> heh
[13:01] <mzanetti> mr-test, you need some not official hacks for that
[13:01] <mr-test> tell me more :D
[13:01]  * DanChapman still can't get it to play a sound though.
[13:01] <mzanetti> there seems to be something fishy... telegram doesn't play sounds here either
[13:02] <mzanetti> mr-test, https://open.uappexplorer.com/
[13:02] <mr-test> hacks that will or will not go into official firmware?
[13:02] <mr-test> mzanetti: i know that page, no dekko there? or what do i need from there?
[13:02] <mzanetti> you'll find it ;)
[13:03] <mzanetti> explore the possibilities
[13:03] <mr-test> mzanetti: do i need to install the open appstore to see more descriptions?
[13:03] <mr-test> because when you click on the apps there's not more text :/
[13:04] <mzanetti> mr-test, https://open.uappexplorer.com/app/tweakgeek.mzanetti
[13:04] <mr-test> i suppose that app allows you to let apps run in background?
[13:04] <DanChapman> oh i see telegram uses a boolean rather than a sound file path. let's try that
[13:05] <mzanetti> DanChapman, well, telegram doesn't work for me :D
[13:05] <mzanetti> in terms of sound at notifications
[13:07] <mr-test> do the apps from the open app store require root?
[13:07] <ogra_> how do you mean that ?
[13:08] <mr-test> well on android some stuff requires a rooted device
[13:08] <ogra_> lol
[13:08] <ogra_> no, this is ubuntu
[13:08] <ogra_> you already have root access via sudo ... and there is no "rooting of the device"
[13:08] <mr-test> i heard the meizu won't be rooted
[13:09] <mr-test> = no sudo
[13:09] <popey> mr-test: this isn't android, it doesn't work quite like that
[13:09] <ogra_> thats wrong
[13:09]  * mzanetti loves watching all the rumors :D
[13:09] <ogra_> there are meizu phones with locked down bootloader ... so you couldnt install another OS
[13:10] <ogra_> but thats about it
[13:10] <mr-test> ogra_: about background apps: wouldn't it be possible to just limit their cpu usage instead of halting them?
[13:10] <ogra_> (with the flyme OS versions i think all the chinese models are locked down and international is open)
[13:10] <ogra_> mr-test, with way more technical effort, yes
[13:11] <mr-test> ogra_: well there's a cpulimit utility on linux which is simple to use, what would be wrong with that?
[13:12] <ogra_> sending a SIGSTOP/SIGCONT means you dont have and additional daemon or anything to monitor apps
[13:12] <ogra_> it is simply tied to the focus setting
[13:12] <ogra_> i dont think there is anything wrong with that ... it is just a lot more complex
[13:13] <mr-test> ogra_: would be nice if you could implement this at some point imho
[13:13] <ogra_> go ahead
[13:13] <ogra_> the source is open ;)
[13:13] <mr-test> i doubt i have the coding skills for that :D
[13:16] <mr-test> i think it would be easier in the long run to limit cpu usage than working around the limitations of halting apps
[13:16] <ogra_> it is int differentn to what ios DOES
[13:17] <ogra_> OOPS
[13:17] <ogra_> stuck caps key
[13:17] <mr-test> yep and i neither like it on ios
[13:17] <ogra_> well, i doubt we'll follow the android model
[13:17] <mr-test> app devs and utouch devs have to work around the limitations
[13:18] <mr-test> i'm not suggesting that
[13:18] <ogra_> (but i'm not working on the phone anymore so who knows where it goes)
[13:19] <mr-test> maybe an exception for apps that need to run in background like messengers and then limit these with cpulimit, that should do it
[13:20] <ogra_> well, such apps are supposed to use a system service anyway
[13:20] <mr-test> doubt that cpulimit requires much resources itself
[13:20] <ogra_> so the system has full security control
[13:20] <ogra_> (and system services keep running in the back)
[13:20] <mr-test> so messenger apps require frontend and backend(sys service)?
[13:20] <ogra_> right
[13:21] <ogra_> all apps that have long running bits work like this today ... i.e. telegram ...
[13:21] <mr-test> and if a system service goes rogue?
[13:21] <ogra_> dekko could do this too if there was any imap support in the onlline accounts yet
[13:22] <ogra_> why would it go rogue ?
[13:22] <mr-test> dunno, bad coding?
[13:22] <mr-test> or much work to do
[13:22] <ogra_> (thats clearly a bug and wuould surely show as regression in QA testing)
[13:22] <ogra_> (so it wouldnt be rolled out)
[13:22] <mr-test> so a system service could use up cpu just like a normal app? why separate it then?
[13:23] <ogra_> a system service is under control of the system and would be controlled to not just use up your cpu
[13:24] <mr-test> so there's already a system to control cpu usage? why not use this for normal apps too?
[13:24] <ogra_> (anyway, not my area of work anyway, you would have to talk to one of the architects about the lifecycle design)
[13:24] <ogra_> (not sure who does phone architecture nowadays though ... most of us moved to snappy nowadays)
[13:26] <mr-test> is it true that snappy uses a closed backend?
[13:26] <ogra_> closed backend ?
[13:27] <mr-test> no source code for example and no way to host an own
[13:27]  * DanChapman is not sure how an online account would help dekko when no system services do imap ;-p
[13:27] <ogra_> https://code.launchpad.net/~snappy-dev/snappy/snappy ...
[13:27] <ogra_> DanChapman, indeed, it would need more ... i was just pointing to the first hrudle ;)
[13:27] <ogra_> *hurdle
[13:27] <mr-test> backend=repository
[13:28] <ogra_> mr-test, it uses the exact same store the phone uses
[13:29] <mr-test> ogra_: what does that mean? is there some howto host an own backend? (i'm talking more about desktop snappy)
[13:29] <ogra_> mr-test, no, there isnt ...
[13:29] <ogra_> you can use snappy-remote to push snaps to all your machines though
[13:30] <ogra_> and indeed you can sideload anything you woant, you dont need to use the stroe at all
[13:30] <ogra_> *store
[13:32] <SturmFlut> popey: Also have a look at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Densha_de_Go!#Densha_de_Go.21_controllers
[13:33] <ogra_> SturmFlut, for don't crash ?
[13:33] <SturmFlut> ogra_: haha
[13:34] <SturmFlut> ogra_: The only "controller" I need for Don't Crash is a big shredder that can handle a phone
[13:34] <ogra_> lol
[13:38] <SturmFlut> cking: Ping
[13:38] <cking> SturmFlut, hiya
[13:39] <balloons> ogra_, can you help me merge some changes into dbus-property-service ? We need to tweak the click.rules file
[13:40] <ogra_> the click.rules file ?
[13:41] <balloons> ogra_, yes it contains usr/share/autopilot-touch/apparmor/click.rules, which is apparmor rules for autopilot
[13:42] <ogra_> balloons, are you sure you mean dbus-property-service ?
[13:42]  * ogra_ cant remember putting any autopilot bits in there 
[13:43] <balloons> ogra_, well until very recently the rules lived in autopilot. But it seems they were moved to dbus-property-service for some reason that no one knows or can tell me. On top of that, it seems you moved them
[13:43] <ogra_> oooh
[13:43] <balloons> well. I mean the commit has your name on it :-)
[13:43] <ogra_> i remember ... that is for phablet-tools, yeah
[13:44] <balloons> awesome. So I tried proposing an mp, but it seems lp:dbus-property-service and lp:ubuntu/dbus-property-service are not in sync
[13:44] <ogra_> thats typical ... just file a bug and attach a debdiff then
[13:44] <ogra_> lp:dbus-property-service exists ?
[13:44]  * ogra_ checks
[13:47] <mr-test> ogra_: do you know if/how it's possible to send a notification from adb shell/terminal app to phone screen?
[13:47] <ogra_> it is surely possible, yeah ... but rather complex, look at developer.ubuntu.com
[13:48] <mr-test> nothing easy, like notify-send? :(
[13:48] <ogra_> no
[13:48] <ogra_> the notification system on the phone is more complex
[13:49] <mandel> Mirv, approving https://code.launchpad.net/~timo-jyrinki/ciborium/port_to_qml.v1/+merge/261707 do you have silo etc for it?
[13:51] <Mirv> mandel: thanks! yes, as part of the silo 016 Qt 5.4.2 landing
[13:51] <Mirv> mandel: we just had train outage but I think I can rebuild it. you could of course quickly land that alone too if you want.
[13:52] <mandel> Mirv, lets do as you already had planned, with the right version of qt
[13:52] <balloons> ogra_, ok I'll file a bug with a debdiff. I take it that will need to be fixed before we can land the changes ?
[13:52] <fooloop> peap/mschapv2 on touch is still crap? [goes find a wiki]
[13:54] <popey> still not working
[13:54] <popey> if by "crap" you mean "not implemented" then "yes"
[13:57] <balloons> fyi jdstrand everything should be good to remove the fakeenv rules
[13:58] <Mirv> mandel: ok
[13:59] <popey> hm. anyone tried installing a fat package on wily desktop? I get "Fatal error: Wrong architecture 'multi'
[14:04] <fooloop> popey: ahh ok. Do you need porters for nm-app? :P
[14:05] <fooloop> and uhm, yes, not implemented is pretty crap :P I can't get onto our office network :P
[14:16] <popey> fooloop: there's a workaround in the bug
[14:22] <dobey> fooloop: support in indicator-network is being worked on. please try to refrain from using insulting language when asking about level of feature completeness in future, too.
[14:24] <ogra_> yeah, for insulting language go to #ubuntu-insult (might need to listen to yourself there though)
[14:24] <fooloop> dobey: sorry, I apologise :)
[14:25] <fooloop> fooloop: I was not asking for a feature, just the status of a feature
[14:25] <fooloop> wow, I didn't mean it like that.
[14:25] <Sleep_Walker> I do agree that missing WPA enterprise is limiting ;(
[14:25] <fooloop> There is a reason I added a ':P'
[14:26] <dobey> Sleep_Walker: missing anything is "limiting" :)
[14:26] <ogra_> yeah :)
[14:27] <cedian_linux> I was accidentally in #ubuntu
[14:29] <Sleep_Walker> dobey: no, I don't agree, missing connection options is far more serious than just inconvenience
[14:29] <fooloop> anyway, look, I didn't mean to insult anyone. I even offered to help with dev
[14:30] <Sleep_Walker> but that is my POV as I was missing WiFi in my gadgets for too long :b
[14:30] <dobey> Sleep_Walker: it's only serious if you happen to be needing it for a university or something. it does not affect the majority of the population though :)
[14:30]  * fooloop needs it for uni _and_ work 
[14:31] <fooloop> but anyway, I did not expect all features to be there
[14:31] <fooloop> :)
[14:31] <Sleep_Walker> dobey: my guess is it affects majority of professionals
[14:31] <dobey> fooloop: it's not about intentions. it's about your language choice. "crap" is not a good word choice :)
[14:31] <fooloop> dobey: ok noted.
[14:31] <cedian_linux> redownloading ~/phablet
[14:31] <fooloop> look so far it is a lovely wee machine
[14:31] <Sleep_Walker> and shiny new ubuntu phone is probably choice for IT enthusiasts and proffesionals
[14:33] <Sleep_Walker> anyway, enough of useless rants, once I start with building my own images I can blame only myself again :b
[14:34] <dobey> fooloop: if you want to offer help, maybe comment on the bug report for wpa enterprise and offer to help with testing :)
[14:39] <hevyhomie> hi guise, I am porting touch to moto e and i have cyanogenmod 12 AOSP files, will those files work with build?
[14:44] <dobey> hevyhomie: is that the lollipop based CM?
[14:44] <dobey> you need an Android 4.4 based AOSP stack
[14:44] <dobey> lollipop won't work yet afaik
[14:45] <cedian_linux> How do you include ota?
[14:45] <dobey> cedian_linux: what do you mean?
[14:45] <cedian_linux> How do you add ota
[14:46] <dobey> i still do not understand what you are asking exactly. if you want to provide ota update support for your images, you need to provide them on a system-image server somewhere
[14:46] <jdstrand> balloons: great, thanks!
[14:47] <dobey> is that what you meant by your question?
[14:47] <cedian_linux> and does apparmor linux-apparmor-backports work and yes
[14:48] <dobey> i don't know for apparmor
[14:48] <dobey> i'd expect the porting guide to answer that though
[14:49] <cedian_linux> ok, I know who might know it that's jjohansen: does linux-apparmor-backports work already? dobey: it's nowhere stated in the porting guide
[14:52] <cedian_linux> btw dobey: is http://paste.ubuntu.com/11702470/ needed? I mean the git checkout. jjohansen: if dobey doesn't know it, I'm waiting for an answer of you
[14:53] <mr-test> ogra_: is it at least easily possible to blink the led from terminal?
[14:53] <dobey> cedian_linux: i don't know. i know very little about porting :)
[14:54] <cedian_linux> ogra_: is git checkout needed for porting the apparmor?
[14:58] <popey> mr-test: yes
[15:00] <mr-test> popey: can you give me an example? :)
[15:00] <popey> mr-test: under /sys there's various things you can poke to make LEDs come on and off
[15:01] <mr-test> popey: i assume "echo [0-255] > /sys/class/leds/green/brightness"?
[15:01] <mr-test> popey: no risk of breaking leds there or is?
[15:01] <popey> i have no idea if it breaks leds
[15:01] <popey> I have not yet broken any leds
[15:01] <popey> depends on the device, not all of them are under /sys/class/leds/green/brightness
[15:02] <mr-test> popey: can you tell me what commands you used for example?
[15:02] <popey> i did what you're suggesting
[15:02] <popey> poking numbers into those places
[15:02] <mr-test> popey: what was the max number you used?
[15:02] <popey> 255
[15:02] <mr-test> ok thanks
[15:05] <mr-test> popey: in what file did you put the number to activate the led?
[15:05] <popey> mr-test: I dont have the file to hand right now
[15:06] <mr-test> it works! :D
[15:06] <mr-test> echo 1 > brightness :)
[15:06] <cedian_linux> popey do you know if the git checkout is needed to port apparmor?
[15:07] <popey> no idea cedian_linux
[15:07] <cedian_linux> ok thanks
[15:07] <popey> sorry, never done a port
[15:07] <cedian_linux> doesn't matter
[15:07] <popey> mr-test: i wrote a stupid script that threw random colours at the LEDs :)
[15:07] <cedian_linux> I can better ask the devs then
[15:08] <cedian_linux> link to script
[15:09] <cedian_linux> my internet is speedy one branch downloading at 3 MB/s
[15:09] <cedian_linux> correction 4 MB/s
[15:57] <bzoltan> zyga: there is a single package called qt in the ppa:canonical-qt5-edgers/qt5-beta-proper  for LTS only. After 21 itteration :) finally it builded and packaged up. Feel free to test it. It can not conflict with anything and installs all the Qt stuff including the UITK to the /opt/ There are few things still buggy there, but with the right LD_LIBPATH it should be fine.
[15:59] <cwayne> ooh
[16:01] <bzoltan> cwayne:  give it a try :) It has the 1.3 UITK, more recent than Wily :) what sounds spookey
[16:21] <nik90> bzoltan: no way....trusty love eh?
[16:21] <nik90> bzoltan: can I finally run my apps on the trusty desktop?
[16:22] <bzoltan> nik90: let's see what can we get out of this :) My dream (no idea if it realistic) is that the future snappy tools will be easily backportable and when we will have Qt and UITK snapp packages for snapp applications then the whole  stack can be simple bckported to even 14.04
[16:23] <nik90> bzoltan: that's a awesome wish if it comes true....LTS are just way too cool to leave behind ;)
[16:23] <bzoltan> nik90: +1
[16:24] <bzoltan> nik90:  one missing bit is that this package is only runtime :) so one need to compile the app first with the source package and then use the LD_LIBPATH in runtime ... but for pure qml apps it is fine already
[16:25] <nik90> bzoltan: I am just a bit concerned to test it out on my production lts laptop ;)..although things installed to /opt are usually isolated from the system libraries.
[16:38] <Mirv> mandel: FYI the silo 016 wily would be ready with ciborium now (I only have mako so I guess I can't test it)
[16:39] <bzoltan> nik90:  this package is fully isolated .. download the package and see with dpkg what is in it
[16:40] <RAJA> HI
[16:40] <Guest85107> I have downloaded ubuntu
[16:40] <Guest85107> but unable to install it
[16:40] <Guest85107> my laptop is saying BOOTMGR is missing
[16:41] <nik90> bzoltan: ok..in that case I don't mind being the guinea pig..are there any instructions o how to use the LD_LIBPATH and stuff? I can test it out and provide feedback.
[16:41] <Guest85107> no instructions
[16:41] <Guest85107> i downleaded into my USB stick
[16:41] <Guest85107> im new to ubuntu
[16:42] <cedian_linux> Guest85107 this is for ubuntu-touch
[16:43] <Guest85107> touch means?
[16:44] <nik90> Guest85107: You will need to ask this question in #ubuntu to get help for your BOOTMGR issues.
[16:44] <nik90> Guest85107: this channel is for ubuntu touch (phone) related support
[16:44] <bzoltan> nik90: simple `export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/opt/qt-5.4/usr/lib/$(ARCH_DIR):$LD_LIBRARY_PATH`
[16:45] <nik90> bzoltan: add PPA and trying it out now
[16:45] <bzoltan> nik90:  but note that if your binary is not ABI compatible with this Qt installation then your app will not work
[16:45] <bzoltan> nik90:  I will make a -dev package too now
[16:46] <nik90> bzoltan: you said I need to build the app with the source package? Wouldn't that mean I am building it against the latest Qt provided by the PPA?
[16:46] <Procyonidae> hi
[16:46] <Procyonidae> I'm cedian_linux
[16:46] <nik90> bzoltan: I think I will first try this out before asking questions to get a better idea
[16:47] <bzoltan> nik90:  I mean if you want to build for _this_ qt then you need to `apt-get source qt` and be creative to build with that :)
[16:47] <nik90> ah ok
[16:52] <Procyonidae> any dev here? I need help can I use linux-apparmor-backports and  is http://paste.ubuntu.com/11702470/ needed? I mean the git checkout
[17:00] <bzoltan> nik90:  but actually as I see I simple put all APIs and examples and libraries to the package qt :) so your app should simple build against that package and off you go
[17:05] <nik90> bzoltan: I get an error when trying to install "qt" from the PPA http://paste.ubuntu.com/11703097/
[17:06] <bzoltan> nik90:  Excellent catch!!! thank you... it seems that the UITK project is not using the ./configure parameters
[17:07] <nik90> :)
[17:14] <Sleep_Walker> fooloop: I'm on WPA enterprise with my phone
[17:15] <Sleep_Walker> I finally altered my desktop wifi configuration to match phones' demands
[17:35] <ignacio> hello
[17:35] <ignacio> Is there any port for a nexus 9 of ubuntu touch?
[17:35] <lotuspsychje> !devices | ignacio
[17:36] <lotuspsychje> ignacio: checkout the XDA forums also for existing projects
[17:38] <ignacio> thank you lotuspsychje
[17:39] <Procyonidae> I'm rebuilding the kernel after refetching, it seems to go well now
[17:40] <Procyonidae> I'm cedian_linux, but I added another username. It's still for the OnePlus One ;)
[17:41] <Procyonidae> got another error
[17:58] <puttiskaa_> make
[17:58] <puttiskaa_> ^ oops.. sorry :D
[18:01] <Procyonidae> added the vivid one of apparor, it goes on now
[18:01] <Procyonidae> no errors in apparmor
[18:09] <puttiskaa_> Does someone know solution for this build error: http://paste.ubuntu.com/11703384/ ? I found some old irc logs but it seemed like they didn't figure out what the problem was, so hopefully we have better luck.
[18:10] <Procyonidae> make -i?
[18:11] <puttiskaa_> just ignore them?
[18:12] <Procyonidae> yes might work else I'll look up
[18:12] <puttiskaa_> didn't work: http://paste.ubuntu.com/11703410/
[18:12] <Procyonidae> make -i clean?
[18:12] <Procyonidae> or make clean?
[18:12] <puttiskaa_> can I use -jN?
[18:14] <Procyonidae> don't know try it
[18:14] <puttiskaa_> well that was the build error when I used it, so now i'll try without
[18:14] <Procyonidae> wait add the build use
[18:15] <puttiskaa_> build use?
[18:15] <Procyonidae> I got a mail which I mailed to myself. It includes some export flags
[18:17] <Procyonidae> export CROSS_COMPILE=arm-linux-gnueabihf- ... export ARCH=arm  are the two vars you want to have set and indeed make sure to have the gcc-arm-linux-gnueabihf compiler installed ... that should be enough
[18:20] <puttiskaa_> Hmm.. I guess the problem is not about wrong compiler. Last time I had this type of error I had to remove some module from makefile
[18:21] <Procyonidae> I added what you needed
[18:21] <puttiskaa_> Can I see somehow where is this dependency coming from: phablet/out/target/product/i9305/obj/STATIC_LIBRARIES/libsecosal_intermediates/import_includes ?
[18:22] <puttiskaa_> the new compiler had the same results
[18:23] <Procyonidae> sudo apt-get install gcc-arm-linux-gnueabihf && export CROSS_COMPILE=arm-linux-gnueabihf- && export ARCH=arm && make
[18:23] <Procyonidae> is what you need
[18:24] <puttiskaa_> ok, let's try without -j
[18:24] <Procyonidae> (or) sudo apt-get install gcc-arm-linux-gnueabihf && export CROSS_COMPILE=arm-linux-gnueabihf- && export ARCH=arm && make -i
[18:25] <Procyonidae> copy and paste the last and run the script
[18:50] <puttiskaa_> Procyonidae, it still fails :/
[18:51] <Procyonidae> did you enter as I said above just copy and paste this: sudo apt-get install gcc-arm-linux-gnueabihf && export CROSS_COMPILE=arm-linux-gnueabihf- && export ARCH=arm && make -i
[18:51] <puttiskaa_> yes
[18:51] <Procyonidae> make clean
[18:51] <Procyonidae> ?
[18:51] <puttiskaa_> I did that
[18:52] <Procyonidae> I don't know what to do anymore, the sock is samsung and that never works as expected
[18:52] <Sander^asd> Hi. I have used my ubuntu E4.5 for a while now. Now I got a black screen. it dosnt react to any buttons or touches.
[18:53] <Procyonidae> I own a OnePlus One I had a Samsung Galaxy Nexus GT-N7000, but that one was buggy
[18:53] <puttiskaa_> btw, here, https://github.com/Androguide/Ubuntu-Touch_manifests/blob/master/manifests/default.xml , all of those modules are from cyanogenmod and I am using the default ones mainly.. so could it be the problem?
[18:53] <Procyonidae> yes
[18:53] <puttiskaa_> ok! I will change it then
[18:54] <Procyonidae> good luck
[18:55] <puttiskaa_> yeah, thanks :) and thanks for help
[19:00] <puttiskaa_> Procyonidae, one question more: should I get all the device files based on cm 10.1?
[19:00] <Procyonidae> No you need the ones based on cm11
[19:00] <puttiskaa_> okay
[19:03] <Procyonidae> I get these errors: http://paste.ubuntu.com/11703794/
[19:09] <lotuspsychje> http://news.softpedia.com/news/Ubuntu-Touch-to-Get-Full-Screen-Rotation-Soon-484147.shtml
[19:17] <akenobis> Ho  un tablet cinese casper intreeo come posso installare una distro linux?
[19:17] <lotuspsychje> !devices | akenobis
[19:50] <Z3> Hi ! If I buy BQ Aquaris E5 Ubuntu edition, when "docking mode" or convergence is finished will be available too in this phone?
[19:55] <beuno> Z3, I think it'll depend on the hardware to work well
[19:55] <beuno> so my guess is no
[19:57] <Z3> beuno Thank you. I saw the demo time ago on a galaxy nexus, so I was hoping this phones should be ready.
[20:49] <procyonidae> I got some invalid sign errors
[20:53] <procyonidae> What are invalid signs?