[05:40] <barrydk> Morning everyone
[05:46] <mazal> Morning everyone
[06:29] <Kilos> morning all
[06:30] <gremble> o/
[06:31] <mazal> Morning oom Kilos , gremble
[06:31] <mazal> Oom Kilos this sleeping late is becoming a habbit
[06:31] <Kilos> hi gremble  ambo  aquarat  barrydk  captine  confluency  Cryterion  drussell  mazal  Squirm  Squirm  ThatGraemeGuy  tumbleweed  etc etc
[06:32] <Kilos> ya man no sun
[06:32] <Kilos> so weird rain in mid winter
[06:32] <mazal> Ons kannie so werkie , ek raak aanie slaap hier sonder oom
[06:32] <Kilos> ai! skuus man
[06:32] <mazal> lol
[06:32] <Kilos> hi MaNL  
[06:33] <MaNL> morning
[06:34] <ThatGraemeGuy> mornings
[06:42] <Cryterion> Morning all
[06:49] <Kilos> hi Xethron  
[07:19] <inetpro> good mornings
[07:19] <gremble> There are a lot of people here in the mornings
[07:19] <Kilos> hi inetpro  
[07:19] <gremble> Good morning inetpro ThatGraemeGuy and Cryterion 
[07:19] <gremble> And mazal 
[07:20] <Kilos> lol
[07:20] <Kilos> inetpro  your afk thing works kiff
[07:21] <Kilos> i must check if i have mine set
[07:23] <mazal> Mine only works here at work
[07:23] <mazal> Home one doesn't work
[07:24] <Kilos> pro has his working from both ends now same like fly
[07:25] <mazal> At least I know why my home one doesn't work
[07:25]  * mazal mumbles something about crappy OS
[07:25] <Kilos> lol
[07:26] <mazal> So I am not allowed to say which irc client I use and if there is a better one for that OS :P
[07:26] <gremble> mIRC?
[07:27] <mazal> I ain't saying anything , inetpro gonna put us in dogbox
[07:27] <gremble> lol
[07:28] <inetpro> ai!
[07:28] <Kilos> cant you get xchat for it anymore
[07:28] <Kilos> hahaha he watches everything
[07:28] <Kilos> and only answers selectively
[07:29] <gremble> I detest installers that you download that then downloads their installers
[07:30] <Kilos> https://hexchat.github.io/
[07:30] <gremble> Why can't you just download the entire thing and let me install it offline if I should want to?!
[07:31] <Kilos> ya that is rather painful
[07:32] <Kilos> mazal  ^^
[07:38] <gremble> I don't know whether anyone here uses github pages. Have a look at prose.io if you do
[07:45] <Kilos> what is that about gremble  
[07:46] <Kilos> what wants to authorise what
[07:50] <mazal> Kilos: That is the exact cuplrit righ there
[07:51] <mazal> hexchat is what I am using
[07:51] <Kilos> oh my
[07:52]  * Cryterion is away: Auto-away after 2 mins idle (gone at 12th Jun, 07:52:31)
[07:53] <gremble> Kilos: if you have a github repository, it wants to get permissions to write to it
[07:53] <gremble> Then you can use it to write prose to github
[07:53] <gremble> Useful for authoring Pages sites
[07:54] <Kilos> is it a good thing or a bad thing
[07:54] <Kilos> i dont sommer trust anything
[07:54] <Kilos> stickyboy  lives on github
[07:54] <Kilos> hi magespawn  
[07:55] <magespawn> hi kilos
[07:55] <gremble> I am giving it a whirl and see what's up
[07:55] <Kilos> cool ty
[07:55] <gremble> It's easy to revoke permissions
[07:56] <magespawn> apparently thos dns servers that are causing my problem actually belong to mtn, and they have specifically null routed that web address
[07:56] <magespawn> s/thos/those
[07:56] <Kilos> eish
[07:57] <magespawn> so afrihost is going to get hold of them and find out why, afrihost said they were not aware of it
[07:57] <gremble> Because hacking is bad mmkay
[07:57] <Kilos> good, thats the way
[07:58] <magespawn> gremble that may be, but they are still not suppposed to stop you going to the website
[07:58] <Kilos> what you want to view should be your own option not the isp's
[07:58] <magespawn> maybe i can get a job arihost
[07:58] <gremble> No, I know. It is good that these things come out
[07:59] <magespawn> s/arihost/afrihost
[07:59] <gremble> I wouldn't be surprised if there is more subtle censorship going on
[07:59] <magespawn> exactly, this makes me want to dig into it more and see what else i can find
[07:59] <Kilos> lol
[08:00] <Kilos> rock the boat
[08:00] <Kilos> dont tip the boat over
[08:06]  * Padroni greets the room
[08:06] <Kilos> hi Padroni  wb
[08:06] <Padroni> hi kilos
[08:06] <Padroni> how are you?
[08:06] <Kilos> gfood ty and you?
[08:06] <Kilos> good as well
[08:07] <Kilos> cold fingers go where they like
[08:07] <Padroni> embarrased for not being here more often
[08:07]  * Padroni greets ThatGraemeGuy
[08:07] <Kilos> well at least thats a good sign
[08:08] <Padroni> anything interesting happen?
[08:08] <Kilos> um
[08:09] <Kilos> magespawn  fighting afrihost to fight mtn to not try steal his right to open pages he wants to view
[08:10] <Kilos> magespawn  give the link
[08:10]  * Padroni thinks this should be interesting...
[08:10] <Kilos> read last nights log
[08:11] <Kilos> and this morning he told who the culprit is
[08:12] <ThatGraemeGuy> morning Padroni 
[08:12] <Kilos> heres what wouldnt open www.defcon.org
[08:14] <Padroni> I get this:  
[08:14] <Padroni> SSL connection error
[08:14] <Padroni> Unable to make a secure connection to the server. This may be a problem with the server, or it may be requiring a client authentication certificate that you don't have.
[08:14] <pieter2627> morning all
[08:15] <Padroni> hi pieter2627
[08:15] <Kilos> ha they dont like you either
[08:15]  * Padroni wonder if it will work via TOR
[08:15] <magespawn> Link Kilos?
[08:15] <Padroni> hi mage
[08:15] <magespawn> hi Padroni
[08:15] <Kilos> np magespawn  i gave it
[08:16] <Padroni> any news on that defcon thing
[08:16] <Kilos> works kiff here Padroni  
[08:16]  * Padroni notes he is also with Afrihost
[08:16] <magespawn> just that it is the mtn dns servers that have that address null routed
[08:16] <Padroni> if you switch your DNS to Google, does it work?
[08:17] <magespawn> yes but it has to be switched at a computer level, not at the router
[08:18] <Padroni> yeah this is some bullshit
[08:18] <Padroni> did you get any reaction from Afrihost?
[08:19] <Kilos> ya they told him mtn blocke3d it
[08:20] <Kilos> but only from his linux machine not the windows one
[08:20] <magespawn> i spoke to the call centre who called up one of their network tech, who found out that it is the mtn dns the problem, the call centre said they would get back to me
[08:21] <Padroni> of course they will
[08:22] <Padroni> because callcentres are renowned for calling back with answers
[08:22] <Kilos> lol
[08:22] <gremble> I worked at a callcenter once. No one liked it when I called them :(
[08:23] <Padroni> What did you sell?
[08:23] <gremble> Liberty Life 
[08:23] <gremble> Shit job
[08:23] <Padroni> I don't know what I was expecting...
[08:23] <magespawn> Kilos that is because i had google dns on the win laptop
[08:24] <Kilos> ah
[08:24] <Padroni> gremble
[08:24] <Padroni> working for liberty must be the same as buying an Isuzu double-cab?
[08:24] <Padroni> actually no
[08:24] <Padroni> with the Isuzu you can still tint the windows so no one recognise you ...
[08:24] <magespawn> Padroni i have had relatively good experiences with Afrihost call centre
[08:24] <Kilos> i member one time i had to add that in /etc/sources/list i think fly said
[08:24] <Kilos> 8.8.8.8
[08:25] <Padroni> yeah in Windows you add it in your network settings
[08:25] <Padroni> or hosts file
[08:25] <Padroni> but I advise against the latter
[08:25] <Padroni> too many things can go wrong with that
[08:26] <Kilos> i had to do it to get a second pc to share my 3g connection iirc
[08:26] <Kilos> using iptables
[08:26] <gremble> You're practically invisible, except for the hatred and contempt ;P
[08:28] <gremble> This is so far an interesting read www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2015-paul-ford-what-is-code/
[08:28] <pieter2627> Kilos: i think that should be /etc/resolv.conf
[08:29] <Kilos> oh maybe there ya
[08:29] <Kilos> but that was a few releases ago , 14.04 dont have that prob
[08:37] <Padroni> anyone with a law background here?
[08:38] <ThatGraemeGuy> lol yeah
[08:38] <Padroni> you?
[08:38] <ThatGraemeGuy> hell no
[08:38] <Padroni> ah
[08:38] <ThatGraemeGuy> don't think lawyers would typically know how to use IRC
[08:39] <Padroni> yeah, it was a long shot, I guess
[08:45] <magespawn> i know a little
[08:46] <Kilos> oi what did you do wrong now Padroni  
[08:46] <Padroni> you know me
[08:46] <Padroni> everything
[08:46] <Kilos> lol
[08:58] <Xethron> Padroni: what you need?
[08:59] <Padroni> just an opinion
[08:59] <Xethron> What law you have a problem with?
[08:59] <Padroni> busy talking with mage though
[08:59] <Xethron> Ah, ok
[08:59] <Xethron> My girlfriend's a lawyer, so, just shout
[09:00] <Padroni> thanx thoughy
[09:00] <Padroni> *though
[09:00] <Xethron> I can pass it on to her and see what she knows
[09:00] <Xethron> No problem :)
[09:02] <gremble> "Everyday is Arbor Day in Codeville"
[09:03] <Padroni> you guys should see the Thug Life compilations on youtube
[09:04] <Padroni> some funny stuff 
[09:19] <solidity> môre
[09:19] <gremble> o/
[09:31] <Kilos> hi solidity  
[09:38] <solidity> I want to test something with my irc client, can someone say my name again?
[09:39] <ThatGraemeGuy> my name again
[09:39]  * ThatGraemeGuy laughs at his excellent humour
[09:39] <Kilos> lol
[09:39] <ThatGraemeGuy> solidity
[09:39] <Kilos> solidity  
[09:39] <solidity> cool thanks
[09:40]  * solidity chuckles at excellent humour as well.
[09:41] <Kilos> i wonder if one can do it with your own nick
[09:41] <Kilos> hi Kilos  
[09:42] <Kilos> na
[10:02] <gremble> irssi does it with mine
[10:02] <gremble> well, If I say my own. But that is probably just lazy parsing :P
[10:03] <solidity> It's not a bug, it's a feature!
[10:03] <solidity> I'm trying to see how much I can turn irccloud into a desktop app.
[10:04] <solidity> But there is only so much I can do with wrapping it in a chrome app.
[10:04] <solidity> So notifications are limited.
[10:19] <gremble> I want to make something that can concurrently buffer youtube videos :o
[10:21] <magespawn> hey can anyone get here http://support.hp.com/us-en/product/HP-Officejet-Pro-L7000-All-in-One-Printer-series/2511708/model/3643610
[10:24] <magespawn> i am checking is it down now
[10:24] <magespawn> is it down says it is up 
[10:24] <magespawn> Maaz help
[10:24] <Maaz> magespawn: I can help you with: looking things up, remembering things, delivering messages, decisions, games, monitoring things, browsing the internet, conversions, silly fun stuff, calculations, system administration, software development and south african stuff.
[10:24] <Maaz> Ask me "help me with ..." for more details.
[10:24] <Padroni_> nope
[10:25] <Padroni_> not loading
[10:25] <magespawn> afrihost again? or something else?
[10:25] <magespawn> Maaz help me with monitering things
[10:25] <Maaz> magespawn: I'm afraid I don't know what you are asking about. Ask "what can you do" to browse my features.
[10:25] <Padroni_> my net is also for shit suddenly
[10:25] <Padroni_> also with afrihost
[10:25] <magespawn> what can you do
[10:26] <magespawn> yup cant get into the bank or their own client zone
[10:26] <magespawn> Maaz what can you do
[10:26] <Maaz> magespawn: I can help you with: looking things up, remembering things, delivering messages, decisions, games, monitoring things, browsing the internet, conversions, silly fun stuff, calculations, system administration, software development and south african stuff.
[10:26] <Maaz> Ask me "help me with ..." for more details.
[10:26] <magespawn> Maaz monitering things
[10:26] <Maaz> magespawn: Excuse me?
[10:26] <magespawn> Maaz help with monitering things
[10:26] <Maaz> magespawn: I'm afraid I don't know what you are asking about. Ask "what can you do" to browse my features.
[10:27] <magespawn> Maaz help with me monitering things
[10:27] <Maaz> magespawn: I'm afraid I don't know what you are asking about. Ask "what can you do" to browse my features.
[10:27] <magespawn> okay i am not sure how to ask my question here
[10:28] <solidity> I can view the page fine.
[10:28] <Kilos> i see the printer
[10:29] <magespawn> yup sp it looks like it is an afrihost problem
[10:30] <magespawn> loading for me too now
[10:30] <magespawn> but really taking its time
[10:30] <magespawn> hey afrihost 1993 called they want their internet back
[10:37] <MaNI> managed to rescue my power supply from the clutches of Capemail, victory
[10:44] <MaNI> now I just need to figure out where to get input connectors that will fit this and what the polarity is :/
[10:50] <ThatGraemeGuy> http://hetznercareers.theresumator.com/apply/x2286b/Experienced-Software-Developer - if anyone may be interested
[11:20] <Kilos> magespelling
[11:20] <Kilos> monitoring
[11:20] <Kilos> ai!
[12:12] <gremble> How would I delete everything in a directory, except some specific things, instead of iterating through everything
[12:14] <stickyboy> gremble: what are the criteria for "specific things"?
[12:15] <gremble> a folder called venv/
[12:15] <gremble> I want to reclone a git repo into the same folder to run the same virtual environment with it
[12:17] <gremble> Nevermind
[12:17] <gremble> Did it with ranger
[12:20] <gremble> Lame. Can only clone into an empty directory
[12:23]  * mazal peaks in
[12:32]  * andrewlsd greets all here
[12:36] <mazal> Hi andrewlsd , very quiet in here
[12:37] <mazal> Everyone must be on weekend already
[12:38] <gremble> It is too cold to use the keyboards
[12:39] <Padroni>  they need to invent that telepathy keyboard now
[12:39] <Padroni> stop working on other crap and get that out the way
[12:41] <andrewlsd> Hi mazal , I see so. I was shivering under a blanket earlier during load-shedding.
[12:41] <andrewlsd> Padroni: +1
[12:42] <mazal> Bye everyone , have a nice weekend , God bless
[12:46]  * Padroni wonders if '+1' = 1st warning... ?
[12:59] <Kilos> hmm...
[12:59] <Kilos> so lekker under the blankets
[13:01] <Xethron> I hate you\
[13:06] <Kilos> lol
[13:07] <Kilos> so lekker to have any avy nap
[14:06] <ThatGraemeGuy> maaz: tell Cryterion been thinking of migrating the world db to a redis instance, a lot less disk I/O intensive. will let you know when I have anything to report.
[14:06] <Maaz> ThatGraemeGuy: Sure, I'll tell Cryterion on freenode
[14:08] <ThatGraemeGuy> superfly: ping
[14:18]  * Cryterion`hiding changes away reason from "I'm away" to "I'm away"
[14:31] <andrewlsd> Padroni: +1 meant, I agree. and yeah, hope you're going to make that
[14:34] <andrewlsd> Maaz: tell kmf that it has been a long time since i have seen him
[14:34] <Maaz> andrewlsd: Got it, I'll tell kmf on freenode
[14:36] <andrewlsd> cheers all
[14:36]  * andrewlsd disconnects for the weekend.
[14:36] <Kilos> sjoe
[14:36] <Kilos> enjoy
[14:36] <andrewlsd> thanks Kilos 
[14:37] <Kilos> stay under the blankets
[14:37] <andrewlsd> hope yours involves successful mining ;-)
[14:37] <Kilos> nono i dont mine anymore
[14:37] <andrewlsd> Oh, what's yours isn't mine(d)?
[14:38] <Kilos> lol
[14:38] <andrewlsd> hmm. is that some kind of *test*
[14:38] <andrewlsd> yipes, bit of a minefield.
[14:38] <Kilos> haha
[14:38] <Kilos> go feed the kids so they strong
[14:39]  * Kilos waits for who knows when load shedding will hit
[14:39] <andrewlsd> Minetest game server reachable via Tor?    a Minator
[14:39] <andrewlsd> Mirror mirror on the wall who is the Minetest of them all?
[14:39]  * andrewlsd stops now
[15:55] <rusbus> o/
[15:55] <Kilos> hi rusbus  
[15:56] <rusbus> hi person who forgets me
[15:56] <Kilos> lol
[15:56] <Kilos> sorry
[15:56] <rusbus> ;)
[15:56] <Kilos> i have to remember half the world man
[16:03] <gremble> o/
[16:04] <Kilos> o/
[16:04] <Kilos> thats so much easier than hi grumbles
[16:15]  * rusbus grunts in response
[16:15] <Kilos> lol
[16:15] <Kilos> i remembered the toti ite
[16:16] <Kilos> there is actually a group on fb called that i think
[16:18] <gremble> totti?
[16:18] <Kilos> toti
[16:19] <Kilos> amanzimtoti
[16:19] <gremble> Oh, not the appendage
[16:19] <Kilos> lol no man
[16:19] <gremble> Makes more sense
[16:19] <Kilos> you got a one track mind
[16:20] <gremble> I have a no track mind
[16:20] <gremble> It slides around incoherently
[16:20] <Kilos> hahaha
[16:20] <Kilos> mine does that
[16:20] <Kilos> makes it hard to concentrate on one thing at a time
[16:23] <gremble> I think my gfx card in my pc just died
[16:23] <gremble> D:
[16:23] <gremble> DD:
[16:23] <gremble> I will be so sad
[16:23] <Kilos> eish
[16:23] <gremble> It's dead
[16:23] <Kilos> they so expensive
[16:23] <gremble> Like my hopes and dreams
[16:23] <gremble> sadness
[16:23] <gremble> ..
[16:23] <Kilos> no man
[16:23] <gremble> Haha
[16:24] <gremble> It gets signal, but without any content
[16:24] <Kilos> clean all the contacts
[16:24] <Kilos> dust bugs got you
[16:36] <Kilos> wb MaNI  
[16:38] <MaNI> tx
[16:46] <MaNL> and again :)
[16:46] <Kilos> lol
[16:59] <gremble> Toodles
[17:00] <gremble> See you guys next week
[17:00] <Kilos> ok be good
[17:21] <MaNI> kilos - random question, these old weller soldering stands, any idea what makes a good replacement 'sponge' for them? Nothing I try seems quite right 
[17:22] <Kilos> you can get the sponges
[17:22] <Kilos> but even a wet rag works
[17:23] <Kilos> it has to be a fairly dense sponge
[17:24] <MaNI> I worry that the wrong sponge melts and coats the tip or something, I've heard that melting plastic or whatever with an iron can be really bad for that reason 
[17:24] <Kilos> im going to be getting one of those other pencils for R350
[17:24] <Kilos> use a piece of rag
[17:24] <MaNI> conductive pencil?
[17:24] <Kilos> or your finger
[17:24] <MaNI> haha not putting that anywhere near my finger
[17:24] <Kilos> nono the actualy soldering pencil like the weller one
[17:25] <Kilos> listen
[17:25] <MaNI> ahh
[17:25] <Kilos> wipe your finger over it fast 
[17:25] <Kilos> no burn i promise
[17:25] <Kilos> then another finger
[17:25] <Kilos> for the other side
[17:27] <MaNI> power supply seems to have made it through customs intact at least
[17:27] <Kilos> it seems our skins have a thin coating that must first burn away before you fell pain
[17:27] <Kilos> thats great
[17:28] <MaNI> haha I'll go for the rag rather :p
[17:28] <Kilos> no man
[17:28] <Kilos> i promise it wont burn
[17:28] <Kilos> wipe fast and test
[17:28] <solidity> Why not just use a rag?
[17:28] <MaNI> next time its on I'll get someone elst to try it :p
[17:28] <Kilos> my sponge disappeared years ago with all the moves so thats how i do it
[17:29] <Kilos> a damp rag is fine
[17:29] <Kilos> puck puck puck puck
[17:29] <solidity> If there is some advantage to using your skin over a rag, then sure, but if there is no advantage, just use a rag?
[17:29] <Kilos> too much hassle to wet a rag everytim
[17:29] <Kilos> lol
[17:30] <Kilos> im surrounded by chickens
[17:30] <MaNI> I can spare a few seconds ;)
[17:30] <solidity> For some people: time to wet a rag > burning away bits of skin
[17:30] <Kilos> lol
[17:30] <solidity> bravery and stupidity is often confused, but they are not the same thing :P
[17:31] <solidity> is = are*
[17:31] <MaNI> next thing I can't access any of my bank accounts anymore because my fingerprints are gone
[17:31] <MaNI> maybe if I'm planning a robbery I'll consider
[17:31] <Kilos> lol no man
[17:31] <Kilos> there is no damage
[17:31] <Kilos> nm
[17:32] <Kilos> you can also put lots of solder onthen just throw it off into a bin
[17:32] <Kilos> resin core is best solder for pc board stuff
[17:32] <Kilos> and clean copper
[17:33] <MaNI> no idea what solder I'm using its on a roll thats older than me that I inherited
[17:33] <MaNI> seems to work great though
[17:33] <Kilos> red roll
[17:34] <MaNI> mm no, just a semi translucent white plastic
[17:35] <MaNI> relatively thin, I've got some thicker stuff as well but I never use it not good for most stuff
[17:35] <Kilos> thiiner is better
[17:36] <MaNI> the thickest one has some corrosive stuff on the outside so probably has to be thrown now anyway
[17:37] <Kilos> they make 2 types the acid core is for dirty copper and surfaces that need to be cleaned first
[17:37] <Kilos> resin core is for pc board work
[17:37] <MaNI> guessing the thin is resin core, and the corroded one is acide core
[17:38] <Kilos> i only know the red roles from national solder co.
[17:38] <Kilos> never tried other makes
[17:38] <MaNI> got a can of flux that I have no idea what to do with either - from my understanding its for the soldering iron equivalent of welding or something, not sure how long thats good for though as well so its probably no good
[17:39] <Kilos> lasts forever i think
[17:39] <Kilos> used when soldering tin surfaces
[17:39] <Kilos> what flux is it
[17:40] <Kilos> maybe for gas brazing
[17:41] <MaNI> http://www.retonthenet.co.uk/ekmps/shops/retonthenet/images/vintage-hardware-tin-frys-fry-s-flux-fluxite-soldering-paste-6oz-net-circa-1970s-full-3389-p.jpg
[17:41] <MaNI> looks like that I think
[17:42] <Kilos> you use that stuff if you dont have cored flux solder
[17:42] <Kilos> resin and acid cores are lead with built in flux in the core
[17:42] <MaNI> ahh
[17:43] <Kilos> you could buy lead sticks at a time
[17:43] <MaNI> okay so I'll just carry on not using that then :p
[17:43] <Kilos> for soldering gutters and so on
[17:43] <Kilos> yes
[17:44] <Kilos> some modern things like head phones and mics have some funny coating that you have to burn off with a lighter before you can solder it
[17:51] <MaNI> heh, I mostly just lengthen cables that are too short and replace broken capacitors :/ Got a few 'harder' projects I want to look at if some time frees up but its been years since I did anything more than that
[17:51] <Kilos> ah
[17:53] <MaNI> actually tries to repair a pair of headphones not long ago, but I wrecked the casing beyond repair trying to get it open so gave up on that one :p
[17:53] <Kilos> lol
[17:56] <MaNI> they don't make it easy to get into things :p
[17:57] <Kilos> nope all modern things clip together and you can break them before you find where they clip together
[17:57] <Kilos> big pain in my life
[17:58] <MaNI> they used to have all sorts of devious tricks on old things as well, but because it was metal you could usually figure it out without wrecking it :p
[17:58] <Kilos> lol
[17:59] <Kilos> most old things had screws at least
[17:59] <Kilos> or rivets you could drill out
[19:37] <MaNI> mantech/rs-electronics/rabtron - does anybody know any other large electronics stores that are worth looking at? 
[19:43] <inetpro> good evening
[19:47] <Cryterion> Mani Electrocomp, AvnetKopp
[19:47] <Cryterion> Depends on what you looking for
[19:49] <inetpro> ai!
[19:49] <Cryterion> Evening inetpro
[19:49] <inetpro> ohi Cryterion
[19:50] <Kilos> loadshedding huh!
[19:50] <Kilos> evening all of ya
[19:50] <inetpro> Kilos: partly yes, but mostly no
[19:50] <Cryterion> Big time, but out the hit zones now
[19:50] <Kilos> well ive just done my bit for the swines
[19:51] <Cryterion> Did my 5 hrs yesterday, and 4 hrs today between home and work
[19:51] <inetpro> we were down from 16:00 to 18:00
[19:52] <Kilos> now ive forgotten what i was doing
[19:52] <Cryterion> for some reason, at my dad's place, misses all of it atm
[19:52] <Kilos> sshhhhh dont remind them
[19:52] <Cryterion> they not in this room :)
[19:53] <Kilos> i would just like to see them shed the surroung states the same as they do here
[19:54] <inetpro> surroung states?
[19:54] <Kilos> how come we can supply unshed power to other states
[19:54] <Kilos> lesotho etc
[19:55] <solidity> Because we are just nice people.
[19:55] <Kilos> oh so its good to starve as long as you give your food to others
[19:56] <inetpro> Kilos: I do not know the details but I think Lesotho is a different case altogether
[19:56] <Kilos> different case?
[19:56] <inetpro> Kilos: as far as I'm aware there's some kind of an agreement with the highlands project
[19:56] <Kilos> oh we get water from their dam
[19:56] <inetpro> a win win situation
[19:57] <Kilos> and we supply petrol cheaper than we can get here
[19:57] <Kilos> hi smile
[19:59] <smile> Hoi. :)
[19:59] <inetpro> wb smile
[19:59] <smile> Dank :)
[20:02] <Kilos> ohi superfly  
[20:03] <Kilos> we min here tonight
[20:03] <superfly> hi
[20:03] <inetpro> hi superfly
[20:03] <inetpro> Kilos: we are here
[20:04] <Kilos> we?
[20:04] <Kilos> ek en jy en vlieg
[20:04] <inetpro> Kilos: you are the most important of them all
[20:04] <Kilos> nono
[20:04] <inetpro> even smile
[20:05] <Kilos> well as long as we can hold it all together i suppose all is good
[20:05] <inetpro> stop counting the numbers, just keep moving with or without
[20:05] <Kilos> i want to see 50 peeps here man
[20:07] <inetpro> keep dreaming oom, just don't forget to move while dreaming
[20:07] <Kilos> hahaha
[20:07] <Kilos> it will happen
[20:07] <Kilos> ill invite all the yanks here
[20:07] <Kilos> uhok crash kid split
[20:08] <inetpro> no need to cook the books like the bean counters
[20:08] <Kilos> lol
[20:08] <Kilos> you well goosie?
[20:08]  * inetpro is all good thank you
[20:08] <inetpro> it's weekened after all
[20:09] <Kilos> nono you overdo things weekends
[20:09] <Cryterion> hmm, yeah normally
[20:09] <smile> When is it your birthday? :)
[20:10] <Kilos> whose?
[20:12] <inetpro> wb cocooncrash
[20:13] <Kilos> cocooncrash  wb
[20:13] <smile> Yours!
[20:13] <smile> :)
[20:13] <Kilos> meeting night
[20:13] <Kilos> we can have a party meeting
[20:14] <Kilos> then i could be your grandfather
[20:14] <inetpro> good idea
[20:15] <Kilos> hahaha joking man
[20:15] <Kilos> too much work to have parties
[20:16] <Kilos> superfly  by the end of next month you will show on the map
[20:17]  * inetpro wants to add agenda item: Celebrating Kilos' Birthday
[20:17] <Kilos> nee man
[20:18] <inetpro> smile: you have any ideas how we can make that into an interesting event?
[20:19] <smile> Virtual balloons!
[20:19] <Kilos> lol
[20:26] <MaNI> Cryterion, trying to find 7.4(5) mm and 6.5(4.4) mm DC jacks
[20:27] <Kilos> jacks?
[20:27] <Cryterion> Mantech or Electrocomp will prob be your best bet
[20:28] <Cryterion> What area are you in MaNI
[20:28] <MaNI> capetown
[20:28] <MaNI> mantech don't have on the site at that size, but maybe its worth talking to them
[20:29] <Kilos> one of the radio shops
[20:29] <Kilos> i dont know if you have communica there
[20:29] <Kilos> hamrad
[20:30] <Cryterion> try electrocomp 021 905 7123
[20:30] <Cryterion> http://www.electrocompgroup.co.za/index.php?route=information/contact
[20:30] <MaNI> ahh yes communica thats the other name I was looking for and couldn't remember
[20:30] <Kilos> http://www.africanadvice.com/1163862/Electronic_Equipment_And_Components/Cape_Town/Hamrad_Electronics_(PTY)_Ltd/
[20:30] <Cryterion> Communica is in pretoria though
[20:31] <Cryterion> no, cp, my bad
[20:31] <Kilos> communica is in pta as well
[20:31] <Cryterion> They do alot specilized connectors yes
[20:33] <Kilos> MaNI  while you there get a can of servisol or spanjaard lubricating switch cleaner as well
[20:33] <MaNI> everyone seems to have the smaller ones and then it stops just before that size :p
[20:33] <z3r009> sup peeps
[20:33] <MaNI> lol why would I need switch cleaner?
[20:34] <Kilos> hi z3r009  
[20:34] <Cryterion> Kilos's relay switches are running dry, that's why MaNI!
[20:34] <Kilos> because MaNI  it is wonderful for cleaning motherboards and all electronic circuitry
[20:35] <Kilos> it even stops volume controls on radios from scratching while you turn volume up
[20:35] <MaNI> heh
[20:35] <Kilos> cleans all connections
[20:36]  * smile is NaN
[20:36] <Kilos> NaN?
[20:36] <z3r009> Not a Number?'
[20:36] <smile> Not a number
[20:36] <Kilos> not another noob
[20:36] <z3r009> from js?
[20:36] <smile> Lol
[20:36] <smile> Yeah
[20:37]  * smile is not null
[20:37] <z3r009> lol dude
[20:37] <z3r009> Being null is the potential to be anything xD
[20:38] <Kilos> z3r009  he is young like you
[20:38] <Kilos> and in the netherlands
[20:38] <smile> Lol!
[20:38] <smile> Nope!
[20:38] <smile> :'(
[20:39] <z3r009> young grasshopper
[20:39] <smile> Belgium :-D
[20:39] <Kilos> what?
[20:39] <Kilos> oh my
[20:39] <smile> Belgium! :-D :-D
[20:39] <Kilos> did you move?
[20:39] <smile> Nope
[20:39] <Kilos> oh my
[20:39] <Kilos> im getting old
[20:39] <z3r009> I think my friends girlfriend is from there
[20:39] <smile> Its not because I speak dutch i live in NL
[20:40] <smile> :-D
[20:41] <Kilos> z3r009  thats a hard nick
[20:41] <smile> Where do you live?
[20:41] <z3r009> it's just pronounced 009
[20:41] <Kilos> have you joined us on launchpad
[20:41] <z3r009> the z3r0 is just a zero
[20:41] <z3r009> zero zero 9
[20:41] <Kilos> no man i gotta type that
[20:42] <z3r009> lol yea, lot to type
[20:42] <Kilos> not say it
[20:42] <z3r009> i'm in jhb
[20:42] <z3r009> or near jhb i just say jhb coz people rarely know my town
[20:42] <Kilos> have you joined us on launchpad
[20:42] <z3r009> nope i have not
[20:42] <Kilos> why
[20:43] <z3r009> i plead ignorance as my defense
[20:43] <smile> Johannesburg, SA?
[20:43] <z3r009> you mean just getting a launchpad account? or is there a convention?
[20:43] <z3r009> yes, in SA
[20:43] <Kilos> we are ubuntu-za on launchpad
[20:44] <smile> Oki
[20:44] <z3r009> cool, i'll join.
[20:45] <Kilos> i can never find links when i need them
[20:45] <Kilos> and here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam/
[20:45] <Kilos> lol can you do the wiki thing?
[20:46] <Kilos> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-za
[20:51] <inetpro> Kilos: you can always start with the first link in the topic
[20:51] <Kilos> oh my goodness yes, ty for the reminder
[20:52] <Kilos> z3r009  you still here??
[20:52] <inetpro> Kilos: then LoCo Links 
[20:52] <Kilos> where is that
[20:53] <Kilos> see man this is your job inetpro  
[20:53] <inetpro> Kilos: after you've opened the site 
[20:53] <Kilos> tell him not me
[20:53] <inetpro> it's all there, just RTFS
[20:54] <inetpro> Kilos: I tell you so you can remember
[20:54] <Kilos> lol
[20:54] <Kilos> ok in future https://ubuntu-za.org and rtfs
[20:54] <Kilos> hehe
[20:55] <inetpro> lather, rinse, repeat
[20:55] <Kilos> lol
[20:55] <smile> :-O
[21:05] <inetpro> z3r009: you got that?
[21:05] <inetpro> ai!
[21:06] <smile> :-O :-O
[21:06] <smile> One million dollars :-O
[21:06] <smile> :-O
[21:07] <Kilos> he fell asleep
[21:07] <inetpro> smile: only one?
[21:07] <smile> Yeah. Can you give it to me? :-O
[21:09] <inetpro> smile: you'll get there, eventually
[21:09] <Kilos> lol
[21:09] <smile> :-P
[21:09] <inetpro> and when you do it won't be enough
[21:11] <Kilos> weird i open a link and konversations text all went tiny
[21:15] <smile> Slaapwel :)
[21:16] <Kilos> you too smile
[21:16] <inetpro> good night smile
[21:18] <smile> Thanks, you too :)
[21:19] <Kilos> oh my he is using jedirc
[21:20] <Kilos> inetpro  drink julle nog julle eie water?
[21:21] <inetpro> Kilos: why?
[21:21] <Kilos> because
[21:21] <inetpro> city water is good man!
[21:21] <Kilos> ya for bathing in
[21:21] <Kilos> and watering plants
[21:21] <inetpro> for drinking as well
[21:21] <Kilos> nono
[21:22] <inetpro> can you proove otherwise?
[21:22] <inetpro> prove as well
[21:22] <Kilos> well for starters if my sis goes to town and drinks from a tap anywhere she gets sick as a dog
[21:23] <inetpro> who else?
[21:23] <Kilos> but anyway i just asked
[21:23] <Kilos> i only need one
[21:24] <inetpro> can you imagine the number of people that would be sick?
[21:24] <Kilos> nope peeps have grown accustomed to it
[21:24] <inetpro> no, our water is still very very good 
[21:24] <Kilos> ok
[21:25] <Kilos> with or without fluoride added
[21:28] <inetpro> if you don't trust it take a sample to the city council, they will test it for you
[21:28] <Kilos> they are putting the stuff in it man you cant trust them
[21:29] <Kilos> maybe the csir yes
[21:29] <inetpro> they have independant processes in place 
[21:29] <Kilos> nm i drink borehole water
[21:29] <z3r009> sorry about that, i'm back
[21:29] <Kilos> wb z3r009  
[21:31] <z3r009> how did everything switch to water?
[21:31] <z3r009> and I'm with inetpro on this one, water is good.
[21:31] <z3r009> tap water
[21:31] <Kilos> we are waiting for your feedback z3r009  
[21:32] <z3r009> I just clicked on the links, feedback on what though?
[21:33] <Kilos> on when you have completed it
[21:33] <Kilos> we thought you fell asleep
[21:34] <inetpro> z3r009: I guess he just wants to know whether you joined on launchpad yet
[21:35] <inetpro> Kilos: and the quick answer is no
[21:35] <Kilos> lol
[21:36] <Kilos> so why all the why and stuff them
[21:36] <inetpro> the long answer is... he may still be busy... but I don't really know
[21:36] <z3r009> haha, yea, I'm in the process of joining, just searching my email to see if i have an Ubuntu One account
[21:36] <Kilos> oh my we at cross purposes now
[21:38] <inetpro> Kilos: ?
[21:38] <inetpro> cross purposes?
[21:38] <Kilos> i thought you meant no to your water
[21:39] <inetpro> Kilos: no, he has not signed up just yet
[21:39] <inetpro> at least not as a new member
[21:39] <z3r009> ok, signed up
[21:40] <Kilos> see, cross purposes
[21:40] <z3r009> and joined
[21:40] <inetpro> well done zero
[21:40] <Kilos> good lad
[21:40] <Kilos> now the wiki page
[21:41] <inetpro> how did inetpro know that? :-)
[21:41] <Kilos> he watches
[21:41] <z3r009> on it
[21:41] <inetpro> ai!
[21:42] <inetpro> anyway... I'm off
[21:42] <inetpro> good night everyone
[21:43] <z3r009> later
[21:43] <Kilos> night inetpro  sleep tight
[21:44] <Kilos> i should have been in bed 2 hours ago as well
[21:44] <Kilos> sigh
[21:46] <Kilos> night all, sleep tight
[21:46] <Kilos> z3`be good
[21:46] <Kilos> z3r009  
[21:46] <z3r009> I'll be neutral
[21:46] <Kilos> lol
[21:46] <z3r009> no pressure, no responsibilities 
[21:46] <Kilos> see ya tomorrow
[21:47] <Kilos> you can have coffee
[21:47] <z3r009> my data runs out in 10minutes
[21:47] <Kilos> Maaz  coffee on
[21:47]  * Maaz washes some mugs
[21:47] <Kilos> oh my
[21:47] <Kilos> well 4 mins for coffee
[21:47]  * z3r009 pulls mug out of pocket
[21:47] <Kilos> Maaz  coffee for all
[21:47] <Maaz> Come on ya buncha geeks. Rock up with your mugs with the correct amount of sugar added already. Just type in Maaz coffee please
[21:48] <Kilos> z3r009  Just type in Maaz coffee please
[21:48] <z3r009> Maaz coffe pelase
[21:48] <Maaz> z3r009: Sorry...
[21:48] <z3r009> *coffee
[21:48] <Kilos> spelling
[21:49] <z3r009> that was clearly a typo.
[21:49] <Kilos> try again
[21:49] <Kilos> type slow
[21:49] <Kilos> lol
[21:50] <Kilos> Maaz  hurry
[21:50] <Maaz> Making decent coffee is an art Kilos and should never be rushed
[21:50] <z3r009> Maaz coffee please
[21:50] <Maaz> z3r009: Sure
[21:50] <z3r009> Maaz sugar please
[21:50] <Maaz> z3r009: Excuse me?
[21:50] <z3r009> Maaz tea please
[21:50] <Maaz> As soon as the kettle boils z3r009 I will pour boiling water into your cup if you have the tea bag in already
[21:51] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos and z3r009!
[21:51] <Kilos> Maaz  thanks man
[21:51] <Maaz> Kilos It gives me great pleasure to serve a bunch of geeks :-)
[21:51] <Kilos> ok night