[00:00] <Jordan_U> gt8ost4l: Please pastebin the exact output from running "nm-tool", whatever that output might be.
[00:00] <gt8ost4l> dont you think that would be a waste of time and server space
[00:01] <Jordan_U> gt8ost4l: If it's a single line then feel free to post it in the channel.
[00:01] <nicomachus> this luks partition is showing up as 999GB / 931GB on testdisk. :/
[00:02] <gt8ost4l> nm-tool: command not found
[00:03] <kostkon> !find nm-tool
[00:03] <Jordan_U> gt8ost4l: Sorry, I didn't realize that command had been depricated.
[00:04] <gt8ost4l> so how do i install the drivers there 2 sys and 2 inf
[00:04] <Bashing-om> Jordan_U: Also : minimal install : The program 'nm-tool' is currently not installed. You can install it by typing:
[00:04] <Bashing-om> sudo apt-get install network-manager
[00:05] <Jordan_U> gt8ost4l: Please pastebin the output of "nmcli dev list".
[00:07] <Jordan_U> gt8ost4l: You already have the drivers for your wireless card installed (ath9k). You do *not* want to install NDISWrapper. Would you trust those facts if they were confirmed by others in the channel as well as me?
[00:07] <gt8ost4l> yep
[00:08] <Bashing-om> gt8ost4l: Confirmed. Jordan_U is most respected and has all 2,000 peeps complete confidence .
[00:31] <lovelinux> any idea on how to install the new version of Nemo
[00:34] <Semiarty> hello, I am using 14.04.2 Ubuntu server and for some reason when I try to shut it down, it goes off completely and then starts again, I used sudo shutdown -h now
[00:34] <Semiarty> anyone knows a fix for this or why is the reason that this is happening?
[00:35] <x4Dx5A> Semiarty: take a look at http://askubuntu.com/questions/452750/reboot-after-shutdown-ubuntu-14-04-also-12-04-dell-latitude-e7440
[00:36] <hplc> is it just me, or does IRC have an earthquake??
[00:40] <Semiarty> thanks a lot x4Dx5A, it worked
[00:42] <x4Dx5A> Semiarty: no problem
[00:44] <hplc> in standard ubuntu desktop 14.04, i lost the left-side pillar with app-launchers in an accident, how to fix that? what pkg is it?
[00:49] <karlthane> Have laptop with uefi, went I it boots it gives error or no bootloader found, laptop will shut down. When I manually enter the boot menu, I have option for Ubuntu that then boots up normally. Any suggestions on how to get it to boot without having to manually select from bios boot menu?
[00:50] <uio> Hullo - I am told by a website than I need to install Java. Is there an alternative to this? Iced tea something.... ? thanks
[00:51] <Botanic> I am trying to setup 2 gateways so that traffic goes out the interface associated with what it comes in on, i got that part to work however traffic from the host itself doesnt seem to work, if anyone has any ideas http://pastebin.ca/3025024
[00:52] <ubuntu173> uio: There is open source java, if you're not aware.
[00:53] <Garlotch> hey guys, I just downloaded and installed gmod on my ubuntu MATE os. The shortcut on my desktop however, doesn't have the gmod icon, but rather the steam icon. Is there any way to ammend this? Thanks.
[00:53] <uio> ubuntu173: Cool. Was not aware.
[00:56] <ubuntu173> Garlotch: If you right click the icons properties than the steam ican you can replace it with what you want.
[00:57] <docmur> does anyone know how to restore from backuppc?  I had an old hard disk with some images that were compilef from backuppc, I moved those folders to a new server, now I want to extract them folders so I view them, how do you go about this?
[00:58] <chaotix> hey
[00:58] <chaotix> i am looking for documentation for packaging web pages as "ubuntu web apps" using the ubuntu browser
[00:59] <Garlotch> ubuntu173: I don't see that option.
[01:00] <ubuntu173> Garlotch: Is it that you don't know where the icons you might want are, you have to navigate to them to change.
[01:00] <Garlotch> ubuntu173: under the shortcut's properties, there is Basic and Permissions. Basic has Name, Description, command and Comment. and permission you can imagine doesn't have an option to change the icon either.
[01:00] <Garlotch> ....there's a shortcut on my desktop that i want the icon changed..
[01:01] <Bashing-om> docmur: Are you asking how to mount a file system from the install and access the mounted file system ?
[01:01] <chaotix> Garlotch, open the shortcut with gedit, and after "icon" direct to the path you want for the icon, or you can also...
[01:01] <ubuntu173> Garlotch: Ah, are you right clicking the desktop icon, this may be a "mate issue" I'm not really up on the DE.
[01:02] <Garlotch> :/
[01:02] <Garlotch> should i go to #ubuntu-mate and ask them?
[01:02] <Garlotch> chaotix: gedit eh? Is that cmd?
[01:03] <Garlotch> ohhh ok, thanks Chaotix, got it. Solved! :)
[01:03] <Garlotch> cheers.
[01:05] <iepupp> how to configure 'Use this connection only for resources on its network' without using GUI?
[01:10] <iepupp> i disabled the network manager GUI from /etc/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.conf.
[01:10] <chaotix> join #ubuntu-offtopic
[01:10] <chaotix> oops
[01:11] <Jordan_U> iepupp: I would understand "Use thie connection only for resources on its network" to mean "Don't consider this ethernet as a route for any networks other than its own". The main way that a connection ends up having a route for another network than its own, is by having a gateway on that network, advertising itself as such via DHCP. Is that the case for you?
[01:14] <felix__29> Hi, does anybody else have problems getting to the login screen with 14.04?
[01:15] <iepupp> yeah, I just want to configure it from CLI or config file i donot want to use GUI as i disabled it from from /etc/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.conf
[01:17] <felix__29> well, for me it just doesn't wanna let me login after a cold start
[01:17] <felix__29> usually works on the second or third attempt though
[01:19] <iepupp> I have two interfaces setted up with DHCP (eth0 , eth1) by default it routes from eth0 i wanted to route the traffic to eth1 so inorder to achive this i checked 'Use this(eth0) connection only for resources on its network'
[01:20] <felix__29> so you're saying ubuntu is just not able to boot cleanly?
[01:20] <vastkahuna> How do I get hulu to play in ubuntu?
[01:20] <x4Dx5A> vastkahuna: browser with flash?
[01:21] <mint> hello
[01:21] <vastkahuna> I have both firefox and chrome and neither will do it
[01:21] <Guest84446> we are anounymous
[01:22] <x4Dx5A> vastkahuna: but is flash installed and enabled in either browser?
[01:22] <vastkahuna> I'm trying to watch videos on comcast and they use hulu
[01:22] <vastkahuna> Yes I believe it is
[01:22] <ivan_on_trac> In ubuntu 10. I have 02 users. User1 is normal. User2 is very slow. a simple command "clear".It is very slow.
[01:24] <kostkon> vastkahuna, http://www.hulu.com/help/articles/166380
[01:24] <x4Dx5A> vastkahuna: if you open ff and go to about:plugins do you see libflashplayer.so in the list?
[01:24] <Jordan_U> ivan_on_trac: Have you only tested this slowness in a GUI environment, or does it happen with ttys or "su - user2" as well?
[01:25] <ivan_on_trac> Jordan_U: Text environment. No GUI.
[01:25] <x4Dx5A> vastkahuna: also make sure if you have a plugin like noscript installed that it isn't blocking flash or javascript for hulu.com
[01:25] <kostkon> vastkahuna, in theory, it should be working in both browsers.
[01:25] <vastkahuna> Yes
[01:26] <kostkon> vastkahuna, chrome even comes with built-in flash support
[01:26] <Jordan_U> ivan_on_trac: If you run "su user2" from being logged in as user1, do you see the same slowdown? What about with "su -user2" (note the '-')?
[01:26] <Jordan_U> ivan_on_trac: Sorry, that second command should have been "su - user2".
[01:27] <ivan_on_trac> Jordan_U: same thing. It is slow.
[01:27] <vastkahuna> In firefox it won't play at all, in chrome the ads that play before the video play just fine but when the video is supposed to start it just doesn't
[01:28] <jaydemir> hello all
[01:28] <vastkahuna> I'm wondering if they just don't support linux?
[01:28] <x4Dx5A> vastkahuna: any chance there is a web filter on your network blocking hulu?
[01:28] <Jordan_U> ivan_on_trac: Does top show anything in particular eating up a lot of CPU or RAM?
[01:28] <kostkon> vastkahuna, if you right click on the video, do you see the flash version text in the menu that appears
[01:29] <ivan_on_trac> Jordan_U: su - user2 - was also slow.
[01:30] <jaydemir> Anyone here knowledgeable on the various desktop distros and releases and all that?
[01:30] <bazhang> jaydemir, ##linux
[01:30] <OerHeks> jaydemir, as long as it is ubuntu, you can ask here
[01:30] <Jordan_U> jaydemir: This channel is for Ubuntu support only. If you have questions about other distributions please join ##linux.
[01:31] <jaydemir> got you
[01:31] <felix__29> I have a question about Ubuntu: does anybody else have problems getting to the login screen with 14.04?
[01:31] <ivan_on_trac> Jordan_U: the "top" did not show anything relevant.
[01:31] <jaydemir> I'm running xfce desktop installed via crouton on chrome os, I'm assuming it is some form of ubuntu
[01:32] <vastkahuna> When I right click on the video I don't see any mention of flash, whether it's enabled or not
[01:32] <Jordan_U> ivan_on_trac: What about "su user2 -c dash"?
[01:32] <co_o> hi guys, why are gnome apps broken on ubuntu? almost anything gnome- is broken, gnome-music, gnome-weather, gnome-clocks etc
[01:33] <x4Dx5A> vastkahuna: go to http://www.adobe.com/software/flash/about/ and see what the page does
[01:33] <jaydemir> co_o what hardware are you running it on?
[01:33] <x4Dx5A> if flash is working properly it should show an animation on the top of the page
[01:33] <co_o> jaydemir, does it matter?
[01:34] <jaydemir> if its running an ARM processor it does from what I'm told
[01:34] <co_o> ah no.. it's an old amd x2 something + nvidia desktop
[01:35] <co_o> the apps are broken.. run gnome-weather for example
[01:35] <co_o> pff.. never mind
[01:35] <vastkahuna> It did some graphical display of their logo and now it's just showing what sytems it's available for
[01:36] <jaydemir> installing gweather now, gonna try it out
[01:36] <x4Dx5A> vastkahuna: well that means flash is installed and working
[01:36] <vastkahuna> And it just told me I have the up to date version
[01:36] <ivan_on_trac> Jordan_U: I solved! I removed the .bash_profile of the home.
[01:38] <jaydemir> co_o yeah, I click it and no response
[01:38] <co_o> yeah
[01:38] <kostkon> vastkahuna, do videos play on the hulu website, if you have direct access to those that is
[01:38] <co_o> lots of them are so broken it's not even funny :D
[01:38] <jaydemir> running xfce-desktop on acer C720 chromebook if it helps
[01:38] <co_o> thanks jaydemir :D
[01:39] <co_o> going out for a drink. bye
[01:39] <vastkahuna> Yes, I just played a clip they have for Jurassic World
[01:40] <x4Dx5A> vastkahuna: if you login and try a different video does it work?
[01:40] <OerHeks> vastkahuna, maybe you need this client http://itsfoss.com/install-hulu-desktop-app-ubuntu-linux/
[01:40] <Jordan_U> ivan_on_trac: What was in it that was causing things to be so slow?
[01:40] <kostkon> vastkahuna, blame your isp then i guess. what about full movies?
[01:41] <Techspectre> Is there still an advantage to upgrading via a clean install versus Ubuntu's upgrade feature?
[01:41] <x4Dx5A> OerHeks: hulu labs does have a hulu desktop but vastkahuna's browsers should still be able to play the videos without it
[01:42] <vastkahuna> Just general tv content, it's actually on comcast and they use hulu
[01:43] <ivan_on_trac> Jordan_U: In ".bash_profile" I had nothing beyond the default.
[01:44] <kostkon> vastkahuna, so actually the problem is that you cannot play the hulu videos embedded in the comcast's website
[01:44] <ivan_on_trac> Jordan_U: That same user. I had the .bashrc and .bash_profile
[01:44] <kostkon> vastkahuna, is that it?
[01:44] <vastkahuna> Yes that is my issue
[01:46] <kostkon> vastkahuna, are you using any kind of ad blockers, video downloaders or fliters, etc you could disable or any other assortment of browser plugins
[01:46] <x4Dx5A> vastkahuna: do you login to the comcast site with your comcast account or do you login with your hulu account?
[01:46] <jaydemir> anyone use mupen64?
[01:47] <x4Dx5A> vastkahuna: if comcast makes you login with hulu and you have noscript installed it might block the cross site request
[01:47] <vastkahuna> I'm not using any of those, unless comcast is and I don't know the answer to that
[01:48] <Jordan_U> vastkahuna: What happens when you try to play a Hulu video?
[01:49] <Jordan_U> !screenshot | vastkahuna
[01:51] <vastkahuna> I just log in at comcast and click a video and it plays no problem, if I'm on a windows machine. On linux it was giving me a message stating that I need to update flash but I know now thatis upto date and now it doesn't give me any message it just doesn't play
[01:52] <kostkon> vastkahuna, try clearing your cookies for the website
[01:52] <vastkahuna> I did that already and it made no difference
[01:53] <Jordan_U> vastkahuna: In chrome, please open a new incognito window and visite http://www.hulu.com/test-videos , from there try to play one of the test videos, without logging in.
[01:56] <vastkahuna> Videos play fine there
[01:57] <Jordan_U> vastkahuna: OK. I'm not sure what you mean when you talk about logging in via comcast, but maybe the site you're using uses a slightly different player than is used with Hulu normally. To see if it's just incognito mode that's fixing things, try logging in how you normally would in that incognito window and see if  you can watch any shows.
[01:59] <juniorsa> Hi - I am installing 14.04 server and I want to install raid1 - I can't make the raid device bootable - in all the docs it says to make it bootable - any suggestions?
[02:00] <Jordan_U> juniorsa: What docs are you referring to specifically? "make it bootable" is not a very meaninfull instruction.
[02:00] <vastkahuna> I tried incognito and normally, same results. Logging in on comcast with your comcast email to prove you have an account with them so you can watch on computer or away from home
[02:02] <juniorsa> Jordan_U: maybe not all the docs :) I just watched a video and it said it there - is it not necessary?
[02:04] <Jordan_U> juniorsa: "Make it bootable" is an essentially meaningless statement, especially when referring to a RAID array. You definitely need to have a bootloader installed, but that's true with or without RAID. I would stick to official documentation rather than youtube videos.
[02:04] <juniorsa> Jordan_U: ok will do - I'm continuing with the install ...
[02:04] <juniorsa> I will install grub at the end
[02:09] <juniorsa> "Unable to install GRUB in /dev/sda  when trying to install Grub boot loader on hard drive
[02:11] <Jordan_U> juniorsa: Is this mdraid or fakeraid? Are you making an array of member drives, or member partitions? What partition table type (GPT vs msdos) is used on these drives?
[02:12] <juniorsa> Jordan_U: mdraid - 2 3TB drives - 1 raid for swap and 1 raid for the rest of the available space with the /
[02:12] <juniorsa> Jordan_U: how do I check the partition type now?
[02:13] <Jordan_U> juniorsa: If they're 3 TiB then I would hope they use GPT, or you'd only be able to use 2 of your 3 TiB. Did you create a BIOS boot Partition on each of the drives?
[02:13] <juniorsa> no I didn't is that necessary?
[02:14] <juniorsa> where do I choose gpt?
[02:14] <mgolisch> when creating the partition table
[02:14] <mgolisch> i think mbr is limited to 1.5tb or so
[02:14] <Jordan_U> juniorsa: By default Ubuntu's installer will use whatever partition table type is already on the drive. Unless you changed it, your drives came with GPT.
[02:15] <mgolisch> dont remember id always go with gpt unless some os you boot doenst support it
[02:15] <juniorsa> ok I'll start over with a new partition table
[02:16] <Jordan_U> juniorsa: You do however need to create the BIOS Boot Partitions yourself, if you want to be able to boot from these drives on a BIOS based system. If you want to be able to boot via UEFI you'll need an EFI System Partition instead.
[02:16] <victomina> hi
[02:16] <juniorsa> ok is the bios boot parition something new?
[02:18] <Jordan_U> juniorsa: It's not very new, but as GPT formatted drives have become more common people have needed to know about it more frequently than they previously did.
[02:18] <juniorsa> how big should the bios boot partition be?
[02:19] <Jordan_U> juniorsa: 1 MiB.
[02:19] <juniorsa> ok I'll do that now
[02:19] <Jordan_U> juniorsa: And ideally the BBPs should be the first partition on each drive.
[02:19] <Tony_> hi all, I met a problem on 14.04 about indicator-messages.
[02:20] <Jordan_U> juniorsa: https://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/html_node/BIOS-installation.html
[02:20] <Tony_> after minimize xchat, when I resume the xchat from indicator-messages.
[02:20] <Jordan_U> juniorsa: Is your computer in fact BIOS based rather than UEFI based?
[02:20] <Tony_> it always boot new one.
[02:20] <Tony_> Jordan_U, could you help me ?
[02:21] <juniorsa> Jordan_U: yes it is bios based
[02:21] <Tony_> juniorsa, and you ?
[02:21] <Jordan_U> Tony_: No.
[02:22] <juniorsa> Tony_: I'm not sure I can help - I'm having problems of my own :)
[02:24] <Tony__> Tony_, test.
[02:25] <Thesaurus> I'm on 14.04 and my '/boot' is too full to update, what should I delete from here without breaking anything
[02:26] <Jordan_U> Thesaurus: "sudo apt-get autoremove" should remove old kernels. Check the list of things it's going to remove first though, especially if it's long.
[02:26] <Bashing-om> Thesaurus: If it is not at 100% capacity, try terminal command ' sudo apt-get autoremove ' to remove old kernels and free up disk space ,
[02:26] <OerHeks> Tony_, xchat is rather old and no longer maintained by it's main developer, try hexchat
[02:26] <Thesaurus> thank you guys
[02:27] <Tony__> OerHeks, thank you.
[02:36] <Tony__> OerHeks, hi,  I installed the hexchat, I can not fond icon in the tray yet. maybe there are some trouble with my config ?
[02:37] <xangua> In Unity? did you install hexchat indicator package¿ Tony_
[02:38] <Tony__> xangua, It is Unity. okay, I will try to install indicator package at first. ;)
[02:41] <Tony__> xangua, could I install it by apt-get ?
[02:43] <cmanns> could anybody direct me where to ask about automated re-building of packages. Packages are already built for older version of ubuntu (12.04 or so)
[02:43] <juniorsa> Jordan_U: when I create a partition table on the drives there is no option for GPT or msdos - is there a way to make sure I am creating a GPT one?
[02:43] <Tony__> I can not find the icon of hexchat in the Unity Systray on 14.04.
[02:48] <ubuntu115> Tony__: Were it me I would restart the DE or logout than in as a start.
[02:51] <vastkahuna> I just installed hulu desktop and it crashes when I attempt to launch it. Anyone know how to fix this?
  I haven't install hexchat indicator.
[02:53] <bpsizemore_> uit
[02:53] <victomina> i'm for valdemort...are you ther
[02:53] <victomina> there
[02:54] <ablest1980> how i clean my system
[02:54] <ablest1980> sudo clean thing
[02:55] <ubuntu115> Tony__: Hexchat every timen I've installed loads everything you need, where is this install from?
[02:56] <Tony__> ubuntu115,  okay, I will try to restart Ubuntu. ;)
[02:56] <ablest1980> whats the command?
[02:57] <ubuntu115> vastkahuna: Has been not supported for awhile, there is a hulu gui that looks like a browser in the repos "unity-webbapps-hulu-player" might be worth a try.
[02:58] <vastkahuna> So look for that in ubuntu software center?
[02:59] <ubuntu115> vastkahuna: Sure or an apt-get install
[03:00] <ubuntu115> vastkahuna: Seeing your troubles, I loaded that desktop crashes here, did not pursue a fix though, very far anyway
[03:01] <Jordan_U> juniorsa: I'm sure that debian installer defaults to GPT for such large drives, but I couldn't tell you how to create a BIOS Boot Partition from d-i. For how to do so manually see: https://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/html_node/BIOS-installation.html
[03:02] <ablest1980> someone help me
[03:02] <vastkahuna> I tried to install that from the terminal and it replied unable to locate package
[03:02] <ubuntu115> ablest1980: might start here, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UsingTheTerminal
[03:02] <Tony__> ubuntu115,  after I reboot my computer, I can not fond the icon of hexchat in the SysTray.
[03:02] <ablest1980> whats that cmd bleachbit uses to clean sys
[03:03] <ablest1980> ok ty
[03:03] <ubuntu115> Tony__: Does it launch if you run hexchat in the terminal?
[03:04] <Turnip_Green> So fun question for the evening.  I am about to so some upgrades to my machine.  One is a R9 270 video card and eventually dual cards setup with crossfire.  Anyway is there any reason to stick to the open source drivers or is the hassle of AMD drivers worthwhile?
[03:04] <Tony__> I can launch it well, but I can minimize it.
[03:04] <Bashing-om> ablest1980: General houseclean: ' sudo apt-get update ; sudo apt-get upgrade ; sudo apt-get clean ; sudo apt-get autoclean ; sudo apt-get autoremove ; sudo apt-get -f install . all there is to it .
[03:05] <Tony__> ubuntu115, the problem is that I can not minimize it.
[03:05] <ablest1980> ty bashing
[03:06] <ablest1980> XD
[03:06] <Bashing-om> ablest1980: np . keep on keep'n on .
[03:07] <ablest1980> ok
[03:07] <ubuntu115> Tony__: Ah, but with no icon it's gone, without a command anyway sounds like. I'm not sure exactly, should be a done deal.
[03:07] <ubuntu115> ah cannot minimizw, missed that Tony__ my mistake
[03:08] <juniorsa> Jordan_U: so I got the GPT done and install completed without incident but the system won't boot - I get into grub rescue now :( so close - I can boot from the cd in rescue a system and I am at a prompt :)
[03:08] <Bashing-om> Turnip_Green: R9 series and ATI cards see: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2244700 ; http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2278589 .
[03:09] <Jordan_U> juniorsa: Ubuntu's installer probably only installed grub's boot sector to the MBR of one of your drives. Try changing the boot order in your BIOS, then once booted into Ubuntu run "sudo dpkg-reconfigure grub-pc" to configure Ubuntu to always install grub's boot sector to both drives' MBR.
[03:10] <Turnip_Green> Thank you Bashing-om, guess I've got some reading to do.
[03:11] <Bashing-om> Turnip_Green: Yeah, deep waters, I am not sure that crossfire has support .
[03:12] <juniorsa> Jordan_U: it is asking me if I should keep the configuration file for grub or use the package maintainer's version
[03:12] <rjsalts> I don't get it, if I write an upstart script with a pre-start script which does VAR=$(stuff) export VAR and then exec /path/to/program $VAR why is $VAR not being set up in pre-start?
[03:12] <JinjaNinja> Any reason why adobe flash plugin doesn't work on web apps that I pin to my launcher? (Example, youtube)
[03:13] <Turnip_Green> I've read the it does with the AMD drivers.  But deep waters none the less.  Then throw in the crossover stuff I'm toying with right now and I've got boat loads of fun.
[03:13] <vastkahuna> Does anyone know what I need to get videos to play on comcast's website, they use hulu
[03:13] <Jordan_U> juniorsa: Use the package maintainer's version.
[03:13] <rjsalts> oh, that's ugly
[03:14] <Hatycat> SO it is it at all possible to get the dash to search youtube in Ubuntu 15.04? (unity 8)
[03:14] <Jordan_U> juniorsa: When it gets to the point of asking you about install devices be sure that both "sda" and "sdb" have '*'s next to them. You select a device with space bar, and continue on to the next question with Enter.
[03:14] <Tony__> hi body, which one IRC client can works well on the Ubuntu 14.04 64bit ?
[03:15] <Bashing-om> Turnip_Green: Well, On the bright side, You are having fun, and having fun and still not going to jail .
[03:15] <Tony__> which one do you guys use now ?
[03:15] <juniorsa> I still get error: disk `mduuid/ae376c598c768beedb5b2dd79d73e694` not found - entering rescue mode -- grub rescue>
[03:15] <hero100> xchat
[03:15] <Hatycat> Tony__: I use weechat
[03:15] <Hatycat> but a bunch work
[03:15] <juniorsa> Jordan_U: yes I did select both drives and it successfully installed without errors - still won't boot
[03:16] <Jordan_U> !bootinfo | juniorsa
[03:16] <Tony__> Hatycat, can it minimize in tray ?
[03:16] <Tony__> Unity.
[03:16] <Turnip_Green> Bashing-om the fun would most certainly stop in jail.  Try to avoid such places, they don't agree with me.
[03:17] <ytre> tony use hexchat
[03:18] <Tony__> hero100, Hatycat, ytre, I tried xchat and hexchat, but I can not be minimize in SysTray(Ubuntu 14.04 64bit Unity).
[03:18] <Bashing-om> Turnip_Green: In all my experience, I have never known of anyone going to jail working to get graphics drivers working ! OH joy !
[03:18] <Hatycat> Tony__: weechat is just a terminal client, so yeah use hexchat I use it on windows its great
[03:18] <Hatycat> hmm maybe use weechat than?
[03:18] <Hatycat> again its just a terminal client tho
[03:19] <Turnip_Green> Bashing-om true story.  It is a rare occurrence, but the world of a frustrated geek can be turbulent.
[03:20] <Tony__> Hatycat, okay, thank you for your advice. ;P
[03:21] <pz3Gull> Hello, World! @Tony__, I've just started to use IRC and "irssi" client looks good.
[03:22] <Tony__> pz3Gull, why you guys don't you client with GUI ?   : |
[03:23] <Tony__> pz3Gull, without GUI, I can not works fine.  ;P
[03:29] <pz3Gull> @Tony__, GUI or not GUI, that is the question! But it depends of each one ;)
[03:29] <shachaf> I upgraded Ubuntu from 14.04 to 15.04. Now when I run Chromium, it takes it a long time to render when I switch to a window (i.e. I see a line moving down the screen as it paints the window). I'm using nvidia proprietary drivers but in Intel mode, at 3200x1800. No other program (including Google Chrome) seems to do it. Has anyone else seen this problem?
[03:30] <Razzdoll> I have an issue/problem if I may. I installed World of Warcraft, and it runs, but when I start it, it does not display text correctly. Its yellow and white blocks with a mix of arabic looking language. My version is 1.7 (wine), running ubuntu 15.04. I asked in #winehq, just thought I'd ask in here too because of me running ubuntu
[03:31] <Tony__> pz3Gull, haha. How humorous you are.
[03:31] <juniorsa> Jordan_U: http://paste.ubuntu.com/11699936/
[03:48] <Razzdoll> brb
[04:16] <drone_> I am looking for AMD AM1 graphics driver. The recommended driver seems to have a lot of lag when playing flash and videos
[04:17] <lotuspsychje> drone_: ubuntu version please?
[04:18] <drone_> 15
[04:18] <lotuspsychje> drone_: did you try switch from additional drivers section?
[04:18] <drone_> yes
[04:19] <drone_> i also try fglrx driver
[04:19] <lotuspsychje> drone_: and effect not good?
[04:19] <drone_> same problem..videos have lots of lag
[04:19] <drone_> i saved all my money to put together this machine to use linux for the summer :)
[04:19] <lotuspsychje> drone_: whats your card chipset mate?
[04:20] <lotuspsychje> drone_: you can check with sudo lshw -C video
[04:21] <drone_> PCI (sysfs)
[04:21] <drone_> Radeon HD 8400
[04:22] <lotuspsychje> drone_: did you test same on 14.04?
[04:22] <drone_> 14.04 was ok...since i upgraded to 15
[04:22] <lotuspsychje> drone_: you upgraded or fresh install?
[04:22] <drone_> i started having problems
[04:22] <drone_> fresh install
[04:23] <lotuspsychje> drone_: maybe go back to LTS for more stable experience?
[04:23] <drone_> didnt know you could upgrade :(
[04:23] <lotuspsychje> drone_: no, you did fine mate not reccomended to upgrade lts to non-lts
[04:24] <lotuspsychje> drone_: did you enable internet+updates+3rd party software during setup?
[04:24] <drone_> yeah...i did :(
[04:24] <lotuspsychje> hmm ok
[04:24] <drone_> its weird though...i didnt use the same driver when it was in 14
[04:24] <drone_> i meant i USE the same driver
[04:25] <lotuspsychje> drone_: can you remember wich modules?
[04:25] <lotuspsychje> drone_: you can see with sudo lshw -C video behind driver
[04:25] <drone_> it was fglrx-updates
[04:25] <drone_> it was proprietary driver...not sure if they did anything funny to it
[04:26] <lotuspsychje> drone_: but you tested them all you said right
[04:26] <drone_> yeah.. i tested them all ....same result
[04:26] <drone_> <---pulling hair out
[04:26] <lotuspsychje> drone_: in most cases the driver ubuntu chooses works best
[04:26] <lotuspsychje> drone_: if you cant get it straight on vivid, try back to 14.04 perhaps?
[04:26] <drone_> errr the xorg driver didnt perform that well imo
[04:27] <lotuspsychje> drone_: what errors did you experience?
[04:27] <drone_> there wasnt any error...it just seems slower in Vivid
[04:28] <lotuspsychje> drone_: some amd/ati card suffer xorg-video bugs, maybe would be wise you dig out your logs
[04:28] <lotuspsychje> drone_: syslog and dmesg
[04:28] <drone_> so you think it's best to stick with xorg driver?
[04:28] <lotuspsychje> drone_: in most cases its wise to use the driver ubuntu chooses, if you choose inetrnet+updates during install yes
[04:29] <lotuspsychje> drone_: then after that, digout your logs to check whats wrong
[04:29] <lotuspsychje> drone_: maybe its something else lagging?
[04:29] <drone_> reason why i switched driver because the recommended driver wasnt performing well
[04:29] <lotuspsychje> drone_: overall system lag, or just games?
[04:30] <drone_> chrome, firefox ... games is fine
[04:30] <lotuspsychje> hmm
[04:30] <drone_> maybe it's chrome and firefox :(
[04:30] <lotuspsychje> drone_: that doesnt make any sense, maybe your system speed lags and not vidoe driver
[04:31] <lotuspsychje> drone_: try a few things: install preload, tweak unwanted systemd services,clean system with bleachbit
[04:31] <lotuspsychje> drone_: see if that can speed up things
[04:31] <lotuspsychje> !info preload | drone_
[04:32] <drone_> is that on ubuntu sw center?
[04:32] <lotuspsychje> drone_: and check your logs, very important to find your exact issue
[04:32] <drone_> i know bleachit is
[04:32] <lotuspsychje> drone_: everything in repos should also show software centre
[04:33] <drone_> aite let me try that ! thank you
[04:33] <lotuspsychje> drone_: install chromium-browser to speed up aswell
[04:33] <shibly> Mobile3
[04:33] <drone_> yes i do have chromium...
[04:34] <lotuspsychje> drone_: does your dash lag on you also?
[04:34] <drone_> dash seems fine
[04:35] <lotuspsychje> drone_: i think its not a video issue then
[04:35] <lotuspsychje> drone_: something else must be slowdown your system check syslog and dmesg
[04:36] <drone_> so ..sudo preload.. then i am done right :)
[04:37] <lotuspsychje> drone_: no just install that and reboot
[04:37] <lotuspsychje> drone_: its a boost service
[04:37] <drone_> aite.. brb rebooting
[04:42] <lotuspsychje> drone_: wb
[04:43] <drone_> ahhh seems like that did it
[04:43] <drone_> dont know what preload does... but it fixes the problem for now
[04:43]  * EriC^^ thought it was the bot at first
[04:43] <lotuspsychje> :p
[04:43] <EriC^^> i was like, i woke up too early today, obviously
[04:44] <drone_> i say 30% improvement
[04:44] <lotuspsychje> drone_: you can pastebin your syslog and dmesg if you like
[04:44] <lotuspsychje> drone_: maybe ill find something usefull
[04:44] <lotuspsychje> drone_: clean out with bleachbit meanwhile
[04:44] <drone_> how do i get to syslog?
[04:44] <lotuspsychje> drone_:/var/log/syslog
[04:44] <drone_> ah ok
[04:45] <lotuspsychje> drone_: or use the log viewer icon from dash
[04:46] <drone_> syslog is a wall of text....omg
[04:47] <drone_> how can you tell if there's any problem when looking at syslog ?
[04:47] <lotuspsychje> drone_: hunting for errors
[04:48] <lotuspsychje> drone_: unusual things, kernel panic,firmware bugs,etc
[04:48] <lotuspsychje> drone_: modules not loading correctly
[04:48] <drone_> there must be a million lines of text..how do you know ?
[04:48] <lotuspsychje> drone_: pastebin it mate :p
[04:51] <henryweismann> hi anyone around?
[04:51] <drone_> ah.. i need pro version to use pastebin
[04:52] <lotuspsychje> drone_: pasteubuntu
[04:52] <drone_> oh! :)
[04:53] <lotuspsychje> !ask | henryweismann
[04:53] <drone_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11700277/
[04:53] <lotuspsychje> ok give me a min
[04:54] <drone_> you probably need days
[04:55] <henryweismann> ok, thanks, i didnt realize people were already talking, the last channled i was in was dead,  im looking for paid support for ubuntu, someone in north America reachable by phone preferred to do remote support, i may have several different needs over the course of a year or however long, looking for long term help on an hourly basis, right now the pressing issue is a slow boot time, i already used the boot time image tool tha
[04:57] <pureland> hhh
[04:58] <lotuspsychje> drone_: some acpi errors and efi
[04:58] <xangua> henryweismann: for paid support contact Canonical
[04:58] <lotuspsychje> drone_: do you dualboot or singleboot?
[04:58] <drone_> not sure i know what that means
[04:58] <henryweismann> no i need it for one computer
[04:58] <drone_> dual boot... i have debian running on the second harddriver
[04:58] <henryweismann> they only offer 5 computers or more
[04:58] <drone_> harddrive
[04:58] <henryweismann> they did away with paid support for individuals
[04:58] <lotuspsychje> drone_: you disabled secureboot and fast boot from bios?
[04:59] <drone_> hm.. not sure !
[04:59] <lotuspsychje> drone_: your system is uefi?
[04:59] <drone_> yes
[04:59] <drone_> should i just use legacy?
[05:00] <lotuspsychje> drone_: dronebox kernel: [    0.000000] ACPI BIOS Warning (bug): O
[05:00] <lotuspsychje> drone_: maybe also try a no_acpi boot
[05:00] <drone_> but i thought SSD needs that to run faster?
[05:01] <lotuspsychje> drone_: secureboot and fastboot is to turnoff windows stuff
[05:01] <lotuspsychje> drone_: also make sure bios is set to AHCI instead of IDE for ssd
[05:01] <henryweismann> lotuspsychje: they only offer 5 computers or more, they did away with paid support for individuals
[05:01] <drone_> ok will do....
[05:01] <drone_> anything else before i boot into bios
[05:02] <lotuspsychje> drone_: F6 at grub to try the no_acpi boot
[05:02] <drone_> ok. btw should i run bleachit as root?
[05:02] <lotuspsychje> drone_: best use the the normal bleachbit icon
[05:03] <lotuspsychje> drone_: not very reccomended to run things as root
[05:03] <drone_> ok...rebooting brb
[05:04] <xangua> Price per desktop per year 				USD $105                  Standard
[05:07] <henryweismann>  xangua: yeah i went to the next step and it required 5 desktops minimial
[05:11] <drone_> so....!
[05:11] <lotuspsychje> drone_: wb
[05:11] <lotuspsychje> drone_: found weird efi errors in your syslog
[05:12] <lotuspsychje> drone_: never seen those before
[05:12] <drone_> oh oh! what is it now? :)
[05:12] <henryweismann> ok well maybe I will try my local lug
[05:13] <drone_> btw what does preload do?
[05:13] <lotuspsychje> drone_: preloading stuff, to boost things
[05:14] <henryweismann> this is my thread http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2267518&p=13237759#post13237759
[05:14] <drone_> you need to run it only once?
[05:14] <lotuspsychje> drone_: its installed as service now
[05:14] <lotuspsychje> drone_: every time you boot
[05:14] <drone_> ah ! i see
[05:15] <lotuspsychje> drone_: have to go now bbl
[05:15] <drone_> thanks a ton..
[05:15] <lotuspsychje> np
[05:15] <drone_>  /bow /salute
[05:17] <OerHeks> henryweismann, so did you do that e2fsck ? as the log suggests and a post too ?  142.982951] EXT4-fs (sdb1): warning: maximal mount count reached, running e2fsck is recommended
[05:18] <henryweismann> OerHeks:  no I did not understand what I was doing, I don't like just changing things on my system without knowing what it does to some degree
[05:20] <henryweismann> OerHeks: so i guess it has to do with my connected usb drive?
[05:20] <Tony> Messaginmenu can not maximize the XChat. it alway launch new one.
[05:20] <Tony> who has same issue ?
[05:21] <OerHeks> henryweismann, if that is the device with sdb1, yes
[05:22] <henryweismann> OerHeks: well to test that was the issue i disconnected the drive and rebooted and did not see it make the boot time better, but perhaps thats not a good test?
[05:23] <henryweismann> OerHeks: I just am wary of  making system changes until i can verify it is the issue, or be sure that the change is no big deal
[05:24] <henryweismann> OerHeks: but perhaps it is needed, i think i tried doing it but it didnt help
[05:24] <henryweismann> OerHeks: it was a while ago so i forget what i did
[05:27] <henryweismann> OerHeks: i guess e2fsck is only a disk check so its fine to run, i guess my issue was it didnt work
[05:27] <henryweismann> OerHeks: sorry i gave up back when i posted and have not returned to it until now
[05:28] <henryweismann> OerHeks: hold on, forget to tell you if it was sdb1
[05:29] <henryweismann> OerHeks: yes sdb1 and it is my usb drive
[05:32] <henryweismann> OerHeks: i have a new problem with that drive now too, once i added it to fstab (because it would never mount on reboot) it now created "Weismann Backup1" when I have aksed it to mount at "Weismann Backup"
[05:33] <OerHeks> good, you give answers on your own questions. fix them.
[05:35] <henryweismann> i guess i could continue with the forum post
[05:36] <henryweismann> i never did reply
[05:36] <henryweismann> i got frustated, would rather find a company offering support for 1 ubuntu computer
[05:36] <henryweismann> annual price, hourly price, i dont care
[05:36] <henryweismann> i run my business on this machine
[05:37] <henryweismann> makes me consider going back to windows, which i really dont want to do
[05:38] <OerHeks> the root of your issue is the way you mount it, i think
[05:38] <henryweismann> oh yeah?
[05:38] <Ben64> henryweismann: why pay for support? support is free in this channel
[05:38] <OerHeks> any mountpointname with a space in it is crazy.
[05:38] <henryweismann> well i can give you the line in fstab
[05:39] <OerHeks> 2. you already said you put a different name in fstab than te mountpointname
[05:39] <OerHeks> 3 that is why fsck cannot run the partition, it cannot find it, and that is what you see in the log
[05:40] <OerHeks> so fix the name, in fstab and mountpoint, and when you reboot it fill find that sdb1 fine. maybe you do not need to run fsck afterall
[05:40] <henryweismann> well i added the mount months after i had this problem i think, but wierd now i check my fstab and it is different fromt he last time ai looked?, perhaps the ubuntu upgrade changed it?
[05:41] <OerHeks> No, upgrade does not change mountpoints, it is user error.
[05:41] <OerHeks> ( name with spaces, ughh)
[05:42] <henryweismann> wierd because i thought i told it to mount at a certain folder name but thats not in fstab
[05:42] <henryweismann> http://pastebin.com/Fj64xeZk
[05:42] <henryweismann> yeah i know, i should probably change that
[05:42] <henryweismann> i named the drive a long time ago
[05:43] <hero100> Tony, I has the same issue with xchat.
[05:44] <Tony> hero100, have you fixed it ?
[05:44] <Tony> ;)
[05:45] <jr_> Can I install usb on the same flashdrive I'm using to initiate the installation process?
[05:46] <EriC^^> henryweismann: is that a ext4 partition?
[05:46] <hero100> no, just avoid to minimize it tray
[05:46] <henryweismann> yes it says it is
[05:46] <EriC^^> henryweismann: type sudo blkid /dev/sda3
[05:47] <henryweismann> Eric^^:/dev/sda3: UUID="ffb7b6fa-513f-47f1-b7aa-20e7ecec2ef9" TYPE="ext4"
[05:47] <EriC^^> ok
[05:53] <henryweismann> i wonder if bootwait will help?
[05:53] <Tony> hero100, ping.
[05:53] <EriC^^> henryweismann: what's your problem?
[05:54] <guppy_> maybe someone can help me, im on lubuntu 15.04 and have installed fglrx from AMD prop. deb (15.05 version from site) after this my laptop monitor doesn't have the backlight turned on properly when X starts up.
[05:54] <henryweismann> well the problem is a slow boot
[05:55] <aavrug> Hello everyone
[05:55] <henryweismann> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2267518&p=13237759#post13237759
[05:55] <EriC^^> henryweismann: type dmesg | nc termbin.com 9999
[05:55] <jpmh2> I have a bluetooth headset.  It connects perferctly to my phone.  When I connect it to  ubuntu 12.4 I get the message that it is connected sucessful;ly.  Now how do I listen through it
[05:55] <aavrug> How to upgrade only PHP version for my current ubuntu?
[05:56] <henryweismann> http://termbin.com/7oxg cool didnt know about that
[05:56] <blackroot> jpmh2: guess you have to change the playback device in sound settings
[05:56] <henryweismann> i have a bootchart in that uubyuntu thread as well but it is old
[05:57] <Tony> I have the same behavior like this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xchat-gnome/+bug/1168876
[05:57] <jpmh2> blackroot: I went to pulse audio control - whic I usually use and the headset does not show there - I guess I should have added that
[05:57] <Tony> who can help me ?
[05:58] <Tony> 14.04
[05:58] <guppy_> anyone who has experience with backlight issues after fglrx installation ?
[05:58] <aavrug> Can anyone help me with that?
[06:00] <henryweismann> i see this 17.365508] init: plymouth-upstart-bridge main process (288) terminated with status 1 not sure what it means but before it is 7 and then its 17
[06:01] <henryweismann> oh that might be after boot
[06:01] <henryweismann> are those seconds or minutes before the .
[06:02] <EriC^^> henryweismann: seconds
[06:02] <blackroot> jpmh2: oh.. then i don't know
[06:02] <blackroot> never tried it
[06:02] <henryweismann> ok then i see two big jumps
[06:02] <henryweismann> 7.721844] logitech-djdevice 0003:046D:C52B.0005: input,hidraw2: USB HID v1.11 Keyboard [Logitech Unifying Device. Wireless PID:4004] on usb-0000:00:14.0-1.3:2 [   17.365508] init: plymouth-upstart-bridge main process (288) terminated with status 1
[06:02] <henryweismann> 95.376666] init: plymouth-stop pre-start process (3717) terminated with status 1 [  153.698920] EXT4-fs (sdb1): mounted filesystem with ordered data mode. Opts: (null)
[06:03] <EriC^^> !paste | henryweismann
[06:03] <henryweismann> maybe my wireless mouse/keyboard?
[06:03] <EriC^^> henryweismann: how long does it take to boot?
[06:03] <henryweismann> thank you bot
[06:04] <henryweismann> Eric^^: about 2 min to get to the login screen then another 2 min after i login to see anything
[06:05] <EriC^^> henryweismann: did you try checking the hdd's healthy?
[06:05] <EriC^^> *health
[06:06] <henryweismann> no i did not, how should i do this?
[06:06] <EriC^^> sudo apt-get install smartmontools && sudo smartctl -a /dev/sda | nc termbin.com 9999
[06:06] <henryweismann> ive been using the drive with no problems
[06:06] <EriC^^> henryweismann: i don't know if it could be the problem, just seems odd it does it after logging in too
[06:07] <EriC^^> henryweismann: did you check top to see if the cpu is being used a lot ?
[06:07] <EriC^^> henryweismann: open a tty, and type top, then login and see if some process is hanging or something is using up the cpu or something
[06:08] <henryweismann> well after 4 min everything is fine
[06:08] <EriC^^> henryweismann: also you can check the /var/log/Xorg.0.log log
[06:08] <henryweismann> well what do you take away from dmesg
[06:09] <EriC^^> henryweismann: i don't know seems to hang at times i guess, not sure
[06:12] <anonimouse> Hello I am experiancing audio problems. Can anyone help me?
[06:12] <henryweismann> what is plymouth
[06:12] <henryweismann> sboth long pauses seem to be related to that
[06:12] <EriC^^> henryweismann: at the end it's pretty huge
[06:13] <EriC^^> goes from 95 to 153 then 225
[06:13] <henryweismann> yeah i see that
[06:13] <henryweismann> both related to the plymouth thing
[06:13] <EriC^^> it also segfaults
[06:13] <henryweismann> im thinking possible my wireless mouse and leyboard?
[06:13] <EriC^^> what's everpad?
[06:13] <henryweismann> haha i have no clue, guessing
[06:13] <anonimouse> Hello can anyone help me?
[06:14] <henryweismann> everpad is a notepad client for evernote
[06:14] <henryweismann> i note program that syncs with evernote
[06:14] <bojan> Hi i want to permanently mount NFS sharing on client computer...??Can anyone tell me how to mount that and the syntax of fstab entry...I want to mount /mnt which ip is 192.168.1.6
[06:15] <EriC^^> henryweismann: when you boot did you try pressing esc? or booting without quiet splash?
[06:15] <henryweismann> anonimouse: apparanty in irc it is proper etiquete to just ask your question and not ask to ask a question, im not very familiar with irc too
[06:16] <EriC^^> henryweismann: it might show what it's hanging at, like waiting for etc. etc.
[06:16] <henryweismann> no id dint
[06:16] <henryweismann> so i press esc?
[06:16] <EriC^^> yeah, or hold shift when the pc boots, and when you get grub press e
[06:16] <henryweismann> how can i boot without quit splash
[06:17] <EriC^^> and go to the line that says linux /boot/vmlinuz .... and remove the quiet splash , then press ctrl+x
[06:17] <henryweismann> ok cool, i dont mind if it always shows me whats going on
[06:17] <EriC^^> that's just a one time thing
[06:18] <EriC^^> ( unless you modify it to show always )
[06:19] <EriC^^> henryweismann: i mean unless you modify it in /etc/default/grub and update-grub
[06:19] <anonimouse> I have a dual boot with win 8.1 and ubuntu 14.04.1 . Yesterday when i used windows and i came back. I couldnt hear any audio from video files. After going through internet i saw that my default sound card is HDMI. I changed it in VLC so now I can hear sound in video files. But from yesterday online videos doesnt buffer. It keeps looping first 3 seconds and stops.
[06:21] <anonimouse> My alsa mixer looks weird with 3 square(Not rectangular bars) all saying OO
[06:22] <aavrug> Any help with upgrading php version?
[06:22] <bojan> anonimouse:Update flash player in browser
[06:22] <bojan> Hi i want to permanently mount NFS sharing on client computer...??Can anyone tell me how to mount that and the syntax of fstab entry...I want to mount /mnt which ip is 192.168.1.6
[06:23] <EriC^^> henryweismann: still there?
[06:23] <anonimouse> Yes
[06:23] <henryweismann> yeah sorry got caught up reading  http://askubuntu.com/questions/33416/how-do-i-disable-the-boot-splash-screen-and-only-show-kernel-and-boot-text-inst
[06:24] <EriC^^> henryweismann: ok, if you want you could add plymouth:debug as well
[06:24] <lotuspsychje> !nfs | bojan
[06:24] <lotuspsychje> !sound | anonimouse
[06:27] <henryweismann> ok i think plymouth:debug is best to run once
[06:27] <EriC^^> henryweismann: yeah
[06:27] <henryweismann> il follow the steps at boot time
[06:28] <henryweismann> anything else in /etc/default/grub i should do to make sure i see all boot msgs?
[06:29] <EriC^^> henryweismann: you could add verbose
[06:29] <henryweismann> should id do that at boot time though
[06:29] <henryweismann> i mean things is should set for always
[06:29] <EriC^^> henryweismann: this might be of help https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Boot_debugging#Light_Debug
[06:30] <henryweismann> dont want to slow it down anymore, except when on purpose to get info
[06:30] <henryweismann> haha insane debug
[06:30] <EriC^^> henryweismann: just remove quiet splash if you want
[06:31] <EriC^^> from /etc/default/grub , and use verbose and plymouth:debug to see what's going on
[06:31] <EriC^^> as a one time thing
[06:33] <henryweismann> removing plymouth-theme-ubuntu-text then will reboot and run plymouth and verbose debug at boot time
[06:33] <EriC^^> you mean the package?
[06:33] <anonimouse> henryweismann My computer pass all the test in that. My problem is listed accurately (with images) in http://itsfoss.com/fix-sound-ubuntu-1404/  . But i cant understand the two lines of the new files.
[06:33] <henryweismann> yes removing the package as suggested by that ask ubuntu answer
[06:34] <EriC^^> henryweismann: there's no need to remove the package
[06:34] <EriC^^> just remove quiet splash
[06:34] <henryweismann> oh ok, it said make sure it wasnt installed
[06:40] <Afdla> If anyone knows about Adminer, why could it be that my theme setting doesn't update? I put the adminer.css next to the adminer.php in /usr/share/adminer/
[06:40] <henryweismann>  EriC^^:: BRB, going to reboot
[06:40] <EriC^^> ok
[06:43] <TheMessiah> a wise man once said
[06:44] <TheMessiah> "I got hoes from all Ova! I call em staff........BAZHANGA"
[06:44] <TheMessiah> : D
[06:44] <lotuspsychje> !ot | TheMessiah
[06:44] <TheMessiah> "I got hoes from all Ova! I call em staff........BAZHANGA"
[06:44] <lotuspsychje> DJones: tnx and good morning :p
[06:44] <DJones> No probs
[06:47] <shahar> hello
[06:47] <lotuspsychje> shahar: welcome, how can we help you?
[06:48] <shahar> My first time on IRC
[06:48] <tux_> oo
[06:48] <nexia> welcome to the land of the dead
[06:48] <shahar> yeah
[06:48] <nexia> er, the living :p
[06:48] <lotuspsychje> shahar: you have joined an ubuntu support channel, to solve issues
[06:49] <nexia> ^
[06:49] <NIGhtGERald> any way to speed up Ubuntu load time and make it as fast as windows 8?
[06:49] <lotuspsychje> !info preload | NIGhtGERald
[06:49] <shahar> You want to use uniy?
[06:50] <NIGhtGERald> thank you!
[06:50] <lotuspsychje> NIGhtGERald: wich version do you use?
[06:50] <shahar> unity
[06:50] <NIGhtGERald> what's a unit?
[06:50] <NIGhtGERald> I'm using 15
[06:50] <shahar> which desktop enviroment?
[06:50] <shahar> maybe you should use Lubuntu or Xubuntu if your PC is old
[06:51] <lotuspsychje> NIGhtGERald: bleachbit can cleanout your system to work faster also
[06:51] <NIGhtGERald> thanks :)
[06:51] <lotuspsychje> NIGhtGERald: and use lightweight packages for daily use
[06:51] <Equinoxdawg> Is there anything overly complicated about upgrading a VPS from Ubuntu 14.04 to 14.10?
[06:51] <NIGhtGERald> my laptop has a 4gb vram 860m
[06:51] <lotuspsychje> Equinoxdawg: 14.10 is end of life mate
[06:52] <NIGhtGERald> my laptop has 16gb ddr3 ram
[06:52] <EllieGoulding> windows 8 is cached in ram, that's probably why it appears faster
[06:52] <EllieGoulding> install peload
[06:52] <xangua> it will be end of life in a couple of weeks
[06:52] <NIGhtGERald> the processor is a 2.5 ghz has well
[06:52] <EllieGoulding> sudo apt-get install preload
[06:52] <NIGhtGERald> haswell
[06:52] <EllieGoulding> it'll cache your programs in ram so it'll load like a second or two faster
[06:53] <Equinoxdawg> lotuspsychje: so what version should I use (specifics don't matter, latest etc is fine)?
[06:53] <EriC^^> Equinoxdawg: why upgrade? 14.04 is pretty good
[06:53] <lotuspsychje> Equinoxdawg: depends your needs mate you want stable LTS or non-lts?
[06:53] <EllieGoulding> yea use 14.04, long term support
[06:53] <Equinoxdawg> Thanks, I'll stick with 14.04 then. ;)
[07:02] <hower> Hello
[07:02] <lotuspsychje> hower: welcome, what can we do for you
[07:03] <hower> No Thanks
[07:09] <henryweismann> Eric^^: still there?
[07:11] <henryweismann> http://termbin.com/ozlx
[07:11] <ws2k3> how can i force quit a pid when kill -9 does not work?
[07:13] <henryweismann> dmesg http://termbin.com/6gh9 and plymouth debug http://termbin.com/ozlx
[07:22] <lotuspsychje> henryweismann: what was your issue exactly?
[07:23] <henryweismann> i was talking to eric^^ before, basically im having a slow boot, takes 2 minutes to boot to login screen then another 2 min after login
[07:24] <lotuspsychje> henryweismann: wich ubuntu version?
[07:25] <henryweismann> my post http://ubuntuforums.org/search.php?searchid=7850518 ubuntu 14.04 lts
[07:26] <henryweismann> dmesg http://termbin.com/6gh9 and plymouth debug http://termbin.com/ozlx
[07:26] <lotuspsychje> henryweismann: wrong forum url
[07:26] <henryweismann> oh
[07:26] <lotuspsychje> henryweismann: your dmesg shows acpi warnings, did you try a no_acpi boot yet?
[07:26] <henryweismann> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2267518&p=13237961#post13237961
[07:27] <henryweismann> lotuspsychje: what does no acpi do?
[07:27] <lotuspsychje> henryweismann: bypass acpi problems
[07:27] <lotuspsychje> henryweismann: some systems need that to boot properly
[07:28] <lotuspsychje> henryweismann: worth a try in your case
[07:28] <henryweismann> lotuspsychje: haha thats a good answer, ok will add it, do i do it to / or the usb drive?
[07:28] <lotuspsychje> henryweismann: you can load that from grub F6
[07:28] <henryweismann> oh ok temporaraly
[07:28] <lotuspsychje> sure just to test
[07:28] <henryweismann> ok
[07:28] <henryweismann> ok brb, rebooting
[07:28] <harishkrupo> henryweismann, check the /var/log/boot.log file
[07:29] <harishkrupo> henryweismann, you can find the services and daemons that started while boot, which generally is the reason for slow start up
[07:29] <henryweismann> http://termbin.com/r5d0
[07:31] <henryweismann> http://termbin.com/r5d0 (var/log/boot.log)
[07:31] <henryweismann> harishkrupo: see anything in there?
[07:34] <harishkrupo> they seem ok
[07:34] <henryweismann> http://termbin.com/6gh9 i have two points in dmesg whre its many seconds between the next mesg
[07:35] <henryweismann> [    6.511366] hub 4-1.4.4:1.0: 4 ports detected [   11.466049] init: plymouth-upstart-bridge main process (286) terminated with status 1
[07:35] <henryweismann> and
[07:35] <henryweismann> [   97.746201] EXT4-fs (sdb1): mounted filesystem with ordered data mode. Opts: (null) [  166.944527] SyncThread[4940]: segfault at 4 ip 00007f3310e7bd80 sp 00007f330588c5b8 error 6 in libdbus-1.so.3.7.6[7f3310e58000+44000]
[07:35] <henryweismann> [   68.035387] init: plymouth-stop pre-start process (2281) terminated with status 1 [   76.003561] type=1400 audit(1434092493.031:79): apparmor="STATUS" operation="profile_replace" profile="unconfined" name="/usr/lib/cups/backend/cups-pdf" pid=4045 comm="apparmor_parser" [   76.003568] type=1400 audit(1434092493.031:80): apparmor="STATUS" operation="profile_replace" profile="unconfined" name="/usr/sbin/cupsd" pid=4045 comm="
[07:35] <henryweismann> sorry i should have pastbin that
[07:35] <harishkrupo> when you boot your system and as soon as the splash screen comes press the up arrow on the keyboard it will show the services which are being started you can know which service is taking long time
[07:36] <henryweismann> ok so thats better then dmesg?
[07:36] <lotuspsychje> henryweismann: yeah F1 verbose boot
[07:36] <henryweismann> i added verbose boot
[07:36] <lotuspsychje> henryweismann: quiet splash off?
[07:36] <henryweismann> yes
[07:36] <lotuspsychje> henryweismann: so where does it hang?
[07:37] <henryweismann> well the same points in dmesg, but for the services i did not notice any long hangs, but i cant see after the loggin comes up, and i think the big hand is during loggin
[07:37] <Frantique> hello all
[07:38] <henryweismann> is there a log?
[07:38] <henryweismann> or no seconds on services
[07:38] <lotuspsychje> henryweismann: there is a lightdm log
[07:39] <Frantique> does anyone knows why the reviewing of commercial softwares (updating to newer versions) is so slow?
[07:40] <lotuspsychje> Frantique: of wich package are we speaking?
[07:40] <henryweismann> http://termbin.com/fcs7
[07:41] <henryweismann> http://termbin.com/fcs7 (lightdm.log)
[07:42] <Frantique> lotuspsychje: about desktop apps published through developer.ubuntu.com
[07:42] <lotuspsychje> Frantique: maybe a question for #ubuntu-devel?
[07:42] <Frantique> ouch, wrong channel, thanks ;)
[07:43] <zzzdeb> hello, anyone can give me some directions in creating a deb package with sleep time at install?
[07:43] <lotuspsychje> henryweismann: its going wrong at the end of the log: [+285.11s] DEBUG: User /org/freedesktop/Accounts/User1000 changed
[07:43] <lotuspsychje> !deb | zzzdeb
[07:44] <zzzdeb> i know how to install a deb file, i want to create one that makes a sleep at install time
[07:44] <lotuspsychje> henryweismann: did you try creating a new user?
[07:44] <zzzdeb> so let`s say install time will take 60 seconds longer
[07:45] <lotuspsychje> zzzdeb: a delay?
[07:45] <henryweismann> i vaguely remember creating a new user for some reason
[07:45] <zzzdeb> lotuspsychje: yes
[07:45] <lotuspsychje> henryweismann: try create a new user and login from there, see if it goes faster
[07:45] <henryweismann> lol how do i create a new user?
[07:46] <henryweismann> can i delete this user later?
[07:46] <lotuspsychje> henryweismann: sure
[07:46] <henryweismann> i see user accounts
[07:46] <lotuspsychje> zzzdeb: dont know mate, ask in #ubuntu-devel perhaps?
[07:47] <zzzdeb> ok, thanks
[07:48] <henryweismann> brb
[08:00] <k1l_> !away | bastiben_away
[08:01] <AliGeyikDotCom> Hi there
[08:02] <AliGeyikDotCom> I have 169G free at my /home but I can not create a .qcow2 image over 24G, virt-manager says I only have 24G available space, can anybody help me?
[08:03] <k1l_> AliGeyikDotCom: is that a virtual system?
[08:03] <AliGeyikDotCom> kvm on my notebook
[08:11] <mikubuntu> anybody have any experience or luck installing ubuntu touch to a tablet? i have a vodafone smarttab 7" (SRF77) would like to know if its possible.
[08:12] <bazhang> mikubuntu, #ubuntu-touch for that
[08:12] <mikubuntu> bazhang: cool
[08:25] <KettleWork> I have some files where the timestamp is messed up - it's year 60056! I can touch these files to fix the problem. These files may appear in a folder but I have files there I do not want to touch as their dates are correct. Is there any way to find only these files where the date are messed up?
[08:26] <EriC^^> KettleWork: man find
[08:27] <EriC^^> KettleWork: then find ......... -exec touch '{}' \;
[08:29] <EriC^^> KettleWork: check which options you can use to get those files with find
[08:37] <KettleWork> EriC^^, thanks, so -exec touch '{}' \; means "touch %file%" on all found files?
[08:37] <EriC^^> yes
[08:37] <EriC^^> KettleWork: test without the -exec first
[08:40] <pyios> how do I use boost.python3 in ubuntu ?
[08:42] <vladoski> hello guys, how can I know my GTK version?
[08:46] <leetking> hello, i want to know what is meaning that 'LIST_POSTION1' and 'LIST_POSITION2' from linux kernel file 'list.h'
[08:47] <usered> hey guys anyone here?
[08:47] <usered> im having some trouble booting
[08:48] <usered> so windows 7 wont let me load properly after i changed my motherboard
[08:48] <usered> any ideas?
[08:48] <EriC^^> usered: does ubuntu boot?
[08:48] <usered> yes
[08:49] <usered> i can get that working
[08:49] <EriC^^> usered: type sudo update-grub
[08:49] <usered> i dont have to do a windows repair iso?
[08:49] <usered> ive tried the iso like 4 times and it doesnt work
[08:50] <usered> and ive updated the grub in this tux thing
[08:52] <ryan_> I thought changing the motherboard voided the licence.
[08:52] <emh_> I have random keyboard input lag (usb keyboard), sometimes keypressed or keyreleaseeeeeeeeeeeee doesn't get registered. I have no idea where to start searching to fix this...
[08:53] <es_> hi all, anyone knows how to enable ssh access to user created with the --system flag? ssh deny it even if I've added my client pub key to the authorized_keys . user was created with the --shell and --home option as wel
[08:54] <EriC^^> es_: what's the permissions of the file ~/.ssh/authorized_keys ?
[08:55] <es_> EriC^^: rw r r
[08:55] <Unhammer> should be rw - -
[08:55] <Unhammer> also the ~/.ssh dir should be rwx - -
[08:55] <Unhammer> 700
[08:55] <es_> ok thanks trying now
[08:59] <ReZa> salam, i would like to install my usb modem huawei smartax MT810 on ubuntu 15.04 i am using it on mac..please help.?
[08:59] <zertyu> hi there
[08:59] <ReZa> vpi 8 vci 35
[08:59] <ReZa> i am living Madagascar island
[08:59] <ReZa> hi zertyu
[09:00] <ReZa> i speak french malagasy english gujrati
[09:00] <ReZa> and little bit arabic
[09:00] <ReZa> :-)
[09:01] <zertyu> just shutup
[09:01] <zertyu> your mouth smelling bad
[09:01] <zertyu> :)
[09:03] <edition> the kubuntu channel seems inactive, and I cannot currently find a solution to a problem.
[09:03] <es_> EriC^^: Unhammer  permission are now set correctly but still ask for password... Maybe you know how to change back that system user to be a normal user. I just need a simple way to enable ssh access in order to use git
[09:03] <EriC^^> es_: is there an empty line in the authorized_keys file?
[09:04] <EriC^^> es_: you can use ssh -vvv to debug the problem
[09:04] <es_> EriC^^: nope it terminates with the key line no carriage return
[09:05] <Guest92371> quit
[09:07] <Zeurt> bonjour, es-ce qu'il est possible de modifier le type de hash utilisé lors d'une identification ? j'aimerai utiliser crypt
[09:08] <Zeurt> wrong chat ...
[09:08] <es_> EriC^^: can I pm you? I can't find what's wrong and why is failing back to password authoriztion and deny even that
[09:09] <Unhammer> es_ what did ssh -vvv tell you?
[09:10] <es_> Unhammer: EriC^^  http://www.pasteall.org/58921
[09:11] <EriC^^> es_: it's better to talk here as somebody else can pitch in too
[09:11] <Lothario> i cannot remove a directory as root, i get permission denied
[09:11] <Lothario> or operation not permitted
[09:11] <Lothario> rm: cannot remove ‘home.bad/admin/conf/mail’: Permission denied
[09:12] <Lothario> any idea what is wrong/
[09:12] <Lothario> the permissions are 777
[09:12] <Lothario> i did a chmod -R 777 on /home.bad
[09:12] <EriC^^> Lothario: can you type cd home.bad/amid/conf ?
[09:12] <EriC^^> Lothario: ah, as root
[09:13] <es_> Lothario: did you use rm -rf dir?
[09:13] <EriC^^> missed that
[09:13] <Lothario> ./  ../
[09:13] <Lothario> db1:/home.bad/admin/conf/dns# pwd
[09:13] <Lothario> /home.bad/admin/conf/dns
[09:13] <Lothario> i can enter the directory
[09:13] <Lothario> i just cannot create, rename, or remove
[09:13] <ReZa> And if Allah had destroyed men for their iniquity, He would not leave on the earth a single creature, but He respites them till an appointed time; so when their doom will come they shall not be able to delay (it) an hour nor can they bring (it) on (before its time).
[09:13] <EriC^^> Lothario: try lsattr /path/to/file
[09:13] <Lothario> there re no files
[09:14] <Lothario> only 3 empty directories
[09:14] <EriC^^> lsattr
[09:14] <Lothario> db1:/home.bad/admin/conf/dns# lsattr /home.bad
[09:14] <Lothario> -------------e-- /home.bad/admin
[09:14] <EriC^^> do it on mail
[09:14] <Unhammer> es_,  debug3: Could not load "/home/es/.ssh/id_rsa" as a RSA1 public key
[09:14] <Lothario> db1:/home.bad/admin/conf/dns# lsattr /home.bad/admin/conf/mail
[09:14] <Lothario> db1:/home.bad/admin/conf/dns#
[09:14] <Lothario> nothing
[09:15] <k1l_> KaLiF: leave that religious statements out of #ubuntu please
[09:15] <leetking> hello, what is meaning that two macro 'LIST_POSITION1' and 'LIST_POSITION2' in kernel? why don't use NULL?
[09:16] <EriC^^> Lothario: what does stat /path/to/file say? use stat /path/to/file | nc termbin.com 9999
[09:16] <Lothario> there are no files, only 3 empty directories
[09:17] <es_> Unhammer: weird it's there (client side) and my other regular account on that same server works so I don't know what's wrong...
[09:17] <Lothario> http://termbin.com/d0e9
[09:17] <Lothario> 04:17 < Lothario> http://termbin.com/d0e9
[09:18] <Lothario> http://termbin.com/d0e9
[09:18] <Lothario> oops
[09:18] <Unhammer> es_,  you can pubkey ssh into other machines right?
[09:19] <Lothario> never seen this before, must be a way to remove /home.bad
[09:19] <es_> Unhammer: yeah my other regular account works correctly
[09:20] <Unhammer> so you can ssh into another account on that machine?
[09:20] <es_> Unhammer: ciao was created with the system flag and I can login
[09:20] <es_> can't*
[09:21] <es_> Unhammer: sure
[09:21] <es_> my other accaount works with pubkeys regulary
[09:21] <huwenfeng> dear friends: any one could give answer to this question?
[09:21] <huwenfeng> http://serverfault.com/questions/169295/kickstarting-an-ubuntu-server-10-04-installation-dhcp-fails
[09:21] <huwenfeng> in pxe installation, if the dhcp failed for some reason, like tempority network congestion, it will prompt the Configure TCP/IP screen. How can I prevent this screen from showing up? just let the system keep trying to dhcp to get the address?
[09:22] <Lothario> anybody have any ideas?
[09:23] <Unhammer> what happens if you log in as ciao@vita, then mv ~ciao/.ssh ~ciao/.ssh.backup; sudo cp -r ~es/.ssh ~ciao/.ssh; sudo chown -R ciao:ciao ~/.ssh
[09:23] <Unhammer> ?
[09:23] <cfhowlett> !server | huwenfeng perhaps the server channel knows
[09:24] <llutz> Lothario: that's a vserver using vesta control panel?
[09:25] <Lothario> aws
[09:25] <Lothario> i dont use cpanal
[09:26] <OerHeks> huwenfeng, 10.04 is EOL, dead. use a supported version, like 12.04 or better 14.04 lts
[09:27] <OerHeks> !10.04
[09:27] <Lothario> i hate mir
[09:27] <OerHeks> Lothario, nice, but there is no mir standard in ubuntu
[09:27] <KettleWork> How can I touch a file hundreds of years into the future?
[09:27] <es_> Unhammer: can't login as 'ciao', but anyway I got what you are saying. I've recreated with ssh-keygen as ciao user a new key pair and .ssh dir got created. authorized keys file got copied from the working account and I run chown snd checked permission... I don't know but probably the fact that was created with the system flag has other not obvious implication
[09:28] <TJ-> KettleWork: You can't
[09:28] <es_> Unhammer: maybe you know how to revert it to be a normal user?
[09:29] <KettleWork> TJ-, can I set the modified date to the future in any other way? I will be dealing with files that I later can find looking for modified time of +10000 years, but I have no example files to verify my script on
[09:29] <TJ-> KettleWork: The current unix time value will wrap in around 2038 I seem to recall; there's an effort to increase the number of bits used to extend it
[09:29] <Lothario> so can anyone help me remove /home.bad?
[09:30] <TJ-> Lothario: the file-system is read/write? "/home/" is writeable by the user?
[09:30] <Unhammer> es_,  I don't, although from "man useradd" I don't see the difference apart from it having a low UID/GID, no aging and that you have to use -m to create a home (which i suppose you  must have :)
[09:31] <Lothario> yes
[09:31] <Lothario> i did a chmod 777 /home.bad
[09:31] <Lothario> chown -R root.root
[09:31] <Lothario> as root, it will not remove
[09:32] <Unhammer> es_,  you can of course change uid/gid with usermod but it'd be _really_ odd if that had an effect
[09:32] <TJ-> Lothario: I misread the path, so let me re-ask: Is "/"  writeable by the user?
[09:32] <Lothario> yes
[09:32] <Lothario> db1:/home.bad/admin/conf# cd /
[09:32] <Lothario> db1:/# touch hi
[09:32] <Lothario> db1:/#
[09:33] <Unhammer>  ~ciao  is readable to ssh, right? (not sure how that works with encrypted homes etc)
[09:33] <Unhammer> *to sshd
[09:33] <Lothario> rmdb1:/# rm -rf home.bad
[09:33] <Lothario> rm: cannot remove ‘home.bad/admin/conf/mail’: Permission denied
[09:33] <ImJune> my mousepad was working again last night... sigh
[09:33] <ImJune> I may give up
[09:33] <Lothario> mail is a directory with perms 777 owner root
[09:33] <KettleWork> TJ-, I managed to touch it into the future! Like so: touch -d "$(date -r messages.txt) + 1000 years" messages.txt
[09:34] <TJ-> Lothario: but what about "/home.bad/admin/conf" ?
[09:34] <ImJune> this is not mystery hardware its an intel controller I dunno why they can't get this stable
[09:34] <Lothario> same
[09:34] <Lothario> all owned by root
[09:34] <Lothario> perms 777
[09:34] <ImJune> most popular end user linux distro out there yet this does not work
[09:34] <ImJune> pft
[09:34] <TJ-> KettleWork: but the datestamp will wrap around at 2038 and so reading it won't give the value you expect it to
[09:35] <KettleWork> TJ-, statting the file gives me the year 3220 at the moment. The important thing is that the file is messed up datewise and that I later find it with find . -newermt "100 years"
[09:35] <Lothario> cant rename any of the dirs, TJ-
[09:35] <Lothario> but i can rename or move /home.bad
[09:35] <alias_neo> Hi everyone
[09:35] <TJ-> Lothario: can you show us :pastebinit <(find /home.bad -ls)"
[09:36] <Lothario> TJ http://termbin.com/qn4c
[09:37] <EriC^^> Lothario: does touch /home.bad/something work?
[09:38] <alias_neo> I@m having an issue with my PCIe NIC not coming up early enough to be detected by libvirt when its starting my VMs, is there someplace or somehow I can modify the load order to get it to come up earlier? My two onboard nics come up just fine and early enough
[09:38] <Lothario> not in the directories that i can't remove
[09:38] <TJ-> Lothario: what release of Ubuntu is it on?
[09:38] <EriC^^> try to lsattr those dirs
[09:38] <Lothario> wait, yes i can create files in those dirs
[09:39] <Lothario> lsattr returns nothing
[09:40] <mikubuntu> TJ-: good morning. (don't worry -- no technical problems) .. lol
[09:40] <Lothario> what should i chattr them to?
[09:40] <TJ-> Lothario: try: "strace -e trace=file rm /home.bad/admin/conf/mail" and check the messages immediately before the access denied result
[09:41] <Lothario> it says EACCESS Permission denied
[09:42] <Lothario> : Permission denied
[09:42] <Lothario> newfstatat(4, "web", {st_mode=S_IFDIR|0777, st_size=4096, ...}, AT_SYMLINK_NOFOLLOW) = 0
[09:42] <TJ-> Lothario: You have confirmed that no process has a file handle open for "/home.bad/admin/conf/mail/" ?
[09:42] <Lothario> openat(4, "web", O_RDONLY|O_NOCTTY|O_NONBLOCK|O_DIRECTORY|O_NOFOLLOW) = 3
[09:42] <Lothario> nope
[09:42] <Lothario> i renamed the directory
[09:42] <Lothario> and rebooted
[09:44] <Lothario> can i use e2fs
[09:44] <Lothario> to remove it?
[09:44] <es_> Unhammer: mmm I think it depends on some settings on my sshd config... I'm investigating . I'm now able to get it typing the password and using the AllowUsers directive but it shoulnd't be necessary. I don't understand looks more like a bug then a feature
[09:44] <TJ-> Lothario: Try "ls -l /proc/{1..9}*/fd/ | grep 'home\.bad'
[09:45] <maniraj> i
[09:45] <Lothario> it wouldnt match 1..9
[09:45] <maniraj> Hello
[09:46] <Lothario> ok it did with bash
[09:46] <Lothario> root@db1:/home.bad/admin# ls -l /proc/{1..9}*/fd/ | grep 'home\.bad'
[09:46] <Lothario> root@db1:/home.bad/admin#
[09:46] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[09:46] <Lothario> nothin
[09:46] <maniraj> hw r u
[09:46] <Lothario> doesnt match home either
[09:46] <TJ-> Lothario: what release is that? what shell are you using?
[09:46] <Lothario> ubuntu 14.10, i switched to bash
[09:47] <TJ-> Lothario: OK, so no process has a handle to anything in /home.bad/ ... that's good to know
[09:47] <Lothario> er, 14.04
[09:47] <Lothario> correct, nothing has it open
[09:47] <TJ-> Lothario: right, so the only things it can be are extended ACLs
[09:47] <Lothario> so its an ACL
[09:48] <TJ-> Lothario: You've done "facl /home.bad/admin/conf/mail"  ?
[09:48] <Lothario> db1:/# lsattr home.bad
[09:48] <Lothario> -------------e-- home.bad/admin
[09:49] <EriC^^> Lothario: try getfacl home.bad/admin/conf/mail
[09:49] <Lothario> i dont have facl instaelled
[09:49] <Lothario> user::rwx
[09:49] <Lothario> group::rwx
[09:49] <Lothario> other::rwx
[09:50] <TJ-> Lothario: The problem is more like to be in the directory parent that contains "mail" since that is where the "mail" entry has to be deleted from
[09:50] <philluminati> I can't get this bash statement to work: echo -e "this!\nis!\nawesome!"
[09:50] <philluminati> I either get "event not found" errors from the exclamation points, or I get \! in the output
[09:50] <TJ-> philluminati: escape the !
[09:51] <TJ-> philluminati: otherwise the shell will evaluate the ! itself
[09:51] <Lothario> TJ: can i use e2fsprogs to remove it?
[09:51] <philluminati> TJ: If I escape it.. the escaped character appears in the output
[09:51] <TJ-> philluminati: you're probably using the shell's built-in echo, not /bin/echo
[09:52] <philluminati> ahhh...
[09:52] <philluminati> TJ-: still doesn't work: http://pastebin.com/Ut7zDU8f
[09:53] <TJ-> Lothario: that's a package... I'm not aware of a tool in that package other than the *attr tools that will help
[09:53] <llutz> philluminati: echo -e "this"'!'"\nsucks"'!'"\n"
[09:54] <Lothario> hmm
[09:54] <philluminati> X='!' /bin/echo -e "this${X}\nis${X}\nawesome${X}"   #also works
[09:54] <Lothario> it all happened when i untarred a weird package
[09:54] <EriC^^> philluminati: why don't you use printf ?
[09:55] <philluminati> thanks llutz
[09:55] <Lothario> ui give p
[09:55] <llutz> philluminati: have fun counting the quotes :)
[09:55] <Lothario> i dont know what else to do to remove a directory
[09:55] <EriC^^> printf "this!\nis\nawesome\n"
[09:55] <TJ-> philluminati: or echo -e "this! \nis! \nawesome!"
[09:55] <EriC^^> nevermind
[09:56] <philluminati> Don't worry guys.. I will make do with llutz "'"'"' solution
[09:58] <TJ-> philluminati: the cause is that ! is interpreted by the shell as a history expansion command
[09:58] <philluminati> I get that
[09:58] <philluminati> I was just unsure of why escaping it like \! leaked into the output
[09:59] <philluminati> potentially evaluated first
[09:59] <TJ-> philluminati: I don't know, but the man page says it will pass through the literal \ prefix :s
[09:59] <EriC^^> philluminati: hey this works echo -e 'this!\nis'
[10:00] <philluminati> interesting, I thought cause the \n not to be interpreted, but it does
[10:01] <Aklj> hello,world
[10:01] <EriC^^> philluminati: i guess cause -e tells echo to interpret them, but the ' tells bash to lay off
[10:01] <TJ-> philluminati: any reason you have to surround with double-quotes?
[10:01] <philluminati> TJ-: no
[10:02] <philluminati> I've rewritten it now and happy with it. thanks
[10:15] <amitprakash> Hi, i have a partition /dev/xvdf1 mounted at /var/log/uwsgi and at /home/ubuntu/logs .. tar is running on  /home/ubuntu/logs/logfile. When I try to unmount /var/log/uwsgi however, I get a device busy error
[10:15] <amitprakash> How can I unmount the partition only from one location?
[10:23] <amitprakash> okay, fixed that using umount -l
[10:23] <amitprakash> How do I debug a failed init.d service
[10:23] <amitprakash> uwsgi in this case, There are no logfiles in /var/log/uwsgi/
[10:27] <amitprakash> fixed that too, thanks
[10:31] <rtur> What could be the problem if os-prober detects Win7 but update-grub doesn't ? Is there a "enable-os-prober" variable somewhere ?
[10:32] <kokut> Hello, anyone knows if clamv is really necessary? is there a way to check if it has ever found anything in the past year i've had it installed in my system?
[10:32] <EriC^^> rtur: type ls -l /etc/grub.d/*os-prober
[10:34] <rtur> EriC^^: It's there, but I noticed that I currently have legacy grub, am now replacing it with 2. Maybe legacy grub can't use the os-prober script ?
[10:34] <EriC^^> is the script +x ?
[10:35] <EriC^^> rtur: maybe
[10:35] <rtur> EriC^^: Yes. With grub2 it works. Thank you.
[10:35] <EriC^^> no problem
[10:36] <Hannofcart> I have a 64 bit Ubuntu 14.04 LTS 64 bit running on Lenovo Y510P. My computer was not hibernating on battery critical (even though my battery applet does indeed give me a notification about battery critical at 3%). I then tried using laptop-mode-utils as shown here:  http://askubuntu.com/questions/195671/wont-hibernate-when-battery-critical to get it to hibernate at 4% battery. That doesn't work either. Anyone know what could be wrong?
[10:40] <astroboy> do you have swap partition?
[10:41] <chotaz`w> Why does everytime I opena  .deb file from within Chrome or any other web browser, a new isntance of google chrome pops up and re-downloads the file, whereas if I open the .deb from the file manager, it opens the software manager like it should?
[10:43] <Hannofcart> astroboy: were you asking me that? If so, the answer is no. So that's why! Thanks!
[10:43] <astroboy> yes i asked you :)
[10:43] <Hannofcart> :) Thanks
[10:43] <k1l> Hannofcart: you need swap for hibernation (suspend to disk) since the ram needs to be copied somewhere
[10:43] <Hannofcart> That makes sense.
[10:44] <Hannofcart> k11: yes I understand
[10:44] <Hannofcart> thanks
[10:44] <k1l> and with battery critical state it wants to hibernate, since it cant keep the ram alive since there might be no power left.
[10:44] <astroboy> Hannofcart, because we have same problem :'D
[10:45] <k1l> Hannofcart: swap-file might work too if you dont want/have a swap partition
[10:45] <Hannofcart> k1l: Thanks a ton. I was just about to ask you about that.
[10:54] <xyzzy__> hi all
[10:58] <MacroMan> So after several hours playing with xrandr I finally have my quad monitor setup as intended. Phew.
[11:00] <ablest1980> hello is ubuntu 15 out?
[11:01] <bagbiter> 15.04 or 15.10?
[11:01] <ablest1980> any
[11:01] <k1l> !releases | ablest1980
[11:02] <bagbiter> 15.04 has been out for a while now.  15.10 is available on daily builds but wont be released until later october/november
[11:02] <k1l> ablest1980: you are often enough in here to know the release numbering and the release schedule
[11:02] <ablest1980> ok
[11:02] <ablest1980> ty and sorry
[11:03] <ImJune> So I have read so much about this problem now with my mousepad on my laptop this is a kernel issue it seems. I guess it is time to delete ubuntu :(
[11:08] <OerHeks> systemd-analyze blame
[11:18] <juniorsa> hi - I've just finished installing my 14.04 LTS server raid1 2 3TB disks the install went without errors but it won't boot here is output of bootinfoscript - can anyone help? http://paste.ubuntu.com/11701433/
[11:26] <popey> juniorsa: this may help. it explains why your array is showing up as /dev/md127 http://askubuntu.com/questions/209702/why-is-my-raid-dev-md1-showing-up-as-dev-md126-is-mdadm-conf-being-ignored
[11:29] <juniorsa> popey:  thanks
[11:29] <juniorsa> I'll read :)
[11:42] <cotalinux> hello, I have ubuntu 14.04 LTS with Unity. I've recently tried mate-desktop running alongside Unity and now I would like to remove Unity and use Mate instead. Is it safe to remove all unity packages from my system?
[11:44] <yorwos> u might remove/break some unity dependent programs but i believe the chances are minimal , even so u will easily find a replacement
[11:44] <yorwos> but if u dont have a hdd space problem u could just have both
[11:45] <cotalinux> yeah I have 120G ssd and space is the main issue
[11:45] <cotalinux> altough I don't think unity takes more than 1GB space
[11:46] <newUbun_usr_nv> is it possible to increase size of my current swap file?!
[11:47] <priyanshu> hi
[11:48] <cotalinux> meh I think I'll do a backup and just install ubuntu mate
[11:50] <newUbun_usr_nv> ?
[11:51] <cotalinux> newUbun_usr_nv: maybe this helps http://askubuntu.com/questions/367331/how-to-increase-the-size-of-linux-swap-partition
[11:52] <esc_type> newUbun_usr_nv: yeah it's possible, you can just make new swap file and swapon it
[11:52] <newUbun_usr_nv> thank u
[11:53] <newUbun_usr_nv> @esc_type u mean create a new bigger swap file n ignore the first?
[11:53] <newUbun_usr_nv> y didn't i think of that?
[11:55] <esc_type> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Swap#Swap_file
[11:58] <newUbun_usr_nv> thanx alot
[12:14] <Mahalo> hola... i got slow booting. just installed ubuntu server 15 on my i5 pc. whats goin on ?
[12:14] <wsdjeg> hello everybody
[12:14] <Mahalo> some text said " journal failed "
[12:15] <wsdjeg> is there anyone use ubuntu 15/04
[12:15] <Mahalo> me... just installed it.
[12:16] <wangshidong> it's very cool
[12:16] <wangshidong> how about the UEFI
[12:19] <OerHeks> !uefi
[12:19] <juniorsa> did I do something wrong during the install - is there a proper way to install my system? http://paste.ubuntu.com/11701433/    -- maybe I can fix it but I would prefer finding a proper procedure and knowing what I did wrong - if anyone knows it would be great 14.04 LTS 2 3TB drives - raid 1 - I did gpt partitions, bios boot parition and then created a swap and then my / - no errors??
[12:24] <BluesKaj> juniorsa, how large is / ?
[12:25] <juniorsa> popey: this is very helpful but when I try and stop md126 it says that "mdadm: cannot get exclusive access to /dev/md126" nokidding as I have it mounted lol - do I need a livecd to do this?
[12:25] <juniorsa> BluesKaj: 3TB
[12:27] <BluesKaj> editing partitions on HDDs is best done from live media , the only way unless you're ssh'd from another pc or some such , juniorsa
[12:29] <juniorsa> BluesKaj: right -I'll do that - There must be a simple way that can be done using the ubuntu installer
[12:29] <BluesKaj> 3TB for / is pretty big and a /home partition would be a good to have
[12:30] <juniorsa> BluesKaj: ok I could do that but I don't think it would change the problem - it seems like the installer is doing something bad and I end up with the md127
[12:32] <BluesKaj> juniorsa, yeah I don't recognize the error , i usually prepartition with gparted first then just use manual partitioning in the installer/ubiquity and set the mount points for / and /home, it's a simpler method
[12:33] <juniorsa> BluesKaj: seems like a waste of an installer :) I think it should work just using the installer don't you?
[12:33] <egor> ощшт
[12:33] <BluesKaj> juniorsa, but that's my personal reference
[12:33] <n5721> exit
[12:34] <BluesKaj> no i don't like an installer doing my partitioning . i prefer to do it with gparted which is simple and straight forward IMO
[12:36] <juniorsa> ok I've booted with knoppix and I am at a # I don't know how to make changes to mdadm :(
[12:37] <gagalicious> how can i tell
[12:38] <gagalicious> if nfs is working? i can telnet 2049 and 111 but i cant mount it
[12:38] <gagalicious> i'm using ubuntu server as the nfs server and a centos client as the nfs client
[12:40] <BluesKaj> juniorsa, dunno much about raid , I just use on HDD for the OS , the others are media and data drives
[12:40] <BluesKaj> one HDD
[12:40] <gagalicious> what's the log file for ubuntu's nfs?
[12:43] <IP92> when installing ubuntu from USB, is there anything specific I should know when installing other than just booting from the USB and proceeding with the normal installation?
[12:44] <Laban> Not really, it will behave same as if it was from Cd.
[12:45] <BluesKaj> !mdadm | juniorsa
[12:45] <BluesKaj> !info mdadm | juniorsa
[12:45] <juniorsa> BluesKaj: I know I'm reading but I can't figure it out
[12:46] <juniorsa> I can mount my md but it won't boot
[12:46] <BluesKaj> juniorsa, sorry, that's not my strong suit for sure
[12:48] <juniorsa> I wonder if anyone else here can help with a 14.04 LTS system that was just installed and won't boot - mdadm issue I think
[12:49] <ioria> juniorsa, you installed the Grub onto the software RAID Partition ?
[12:50] <juniorsa> ioria: I did the install and grub was installed on /dev/sda and /dev/sdb from what I remember that the command showed
[12:51] <ioria> juniorsa, maybe this could help, don't know : http://askubuntu.com/questions/518532/problems-booting-from-software-raid
[12:51] <ioria> juniorsa, go straight to the answer
[12:52] <juniorsa> ioria: guess it's impossible
[12:53] <ioria> juniorsa, i can't argue because i don't use raid, sorry
[12:54] <juniorsa> ioria: thanks anyways - I'll be patient maybe someone else knows
[12:54] <ioria> juniorsa, sure
[12:55] <msa1> hi eveybody
[12:55] <BluesKaj> juniorsa, why do you need such a large space for your OS ?
[12:55] <msa1> how to change Terminal Title , for everytime ??
[12:55] <msa1> not one time
[12:56] <juniorsa> BluesKaj: do you think the problem is related to the size of the hard disk? - this sytem will be used to store backups and I can only put 2 drives in this server it's a 1u
[12:57] <juniorsa> ioria: actually from the script bootinfoscript - it shows sda1 and sdb1 have the grub2's core.img installed so they are not raid partitions
[12:57] <ioria> juniorsa, let me retrieve it
[12:58] <pbx> i broke notify-osd and don't know how to fix it.
[12:58] <pbx> ah, looks like this is my problem. http://askubuntu.com/questions/371020/notify-osd-notifications-appear-unthemed-in-top-left-corner
[12:59] <juniorsa> it looks like in the blkid output section something is mixing up /dev/md/rob:0 -- should be /dev/md0 instead it is /dev/md126 not sure how to fix that - anyone?
[13:02] <esc_type> msa1: change .desktop file that runs terminal
[13:02] <nintendoman64> Hey, does anyone own a K95 RGB?
[13:03] <nintendoman64> was wondering if the LED problem that plagued the non-RGB series was present in the RGB ones.
[13:05] <Hannofcart> k1l: Hi, I pinged before asking about the problem regarding hibernate not working on critical battery. You had pointed out before that it was because there was not swap allocated. I have now allocated swap (and I know its working fine because after reboot on doing swapon -s I get details of swap as expected. Also, system monitor also tells me swap is now available: http://ibin.co/24yzZk075RmQ) ... and yet, no hibernate to disk kicks in. Any further id
[13:05] <Hannofcart> eas?
[13:19] <huma70> #ubuntuusers
[13:19] <huma70> #ubuntu
[13:19] <huma70> hallo
[13:20] <huma70> ich habe mal eine frage zu meiner Grafikkarte...
[13:20] <MarcGuay> Hi folks.  I'm looking for a command line tool to search a website for malware, any suggestions?  ClamAV didn't find it.
[13:21] <bstarek> MarcGuay, search website for malware? please explain
[13:21] <bstarek> huma70, ask you question
[13:22] <bstarek> huma70, ask your question
[13:22] <esc_type> Hannofcart: there are some tweaks if you are hybernating into file
[13:22] <huma70> ich habe auf einer zweiten Partition ubuntu neu installiert. komme eigentlich von Windows. allerdings wird mir in ubuntu nicht meine Grafikkarte (nvidia 960) finden oder so. Alles ist sehr langsam.
[13:22] <MarcGuay> bstarek: I have a website directory which contains some htm files with injected malware.
[13:22] <esc_type> try to read about them
[13:22] <pbx> MarcGuay, this isn't an ubuntu question
[13:22] <Hannofcart> esc_type: ok. googling now. thanks.
[13:22] <MarcGuay> pbx: I'm looking for a command line tool for Ubuntu.  Can you suggest another channel?
[13:22] <pbx> !de|huma70
[13:22] <Isai> Hi, I was installing ubuntu-desktop when I got this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/11701927/
[13:22] <bstarek> MarcGuay, how do you know they are infected?
[13:23] <huma70> danke
[13:23] <bstarek> MarcGuay, you cannot infect html files
[13:23] <huma70> #ubuntu-de
[13:23] <MarcGuay> bstarek: The host reported it and provided an example and googling the code reveals that it's a common malware.
[13:23] <MarcGuay> bstarek: It's javascript.
[13:23] <pbx> MarcGuay, try #web for advice on this
[13:23] <MarcGuay> pbx: Thanks
[13:24] <bstarek> MarcGuay, could post a link to the malware explainantion?
[13:24] <bstarek> MarcGuay, name of the malware, date of creation....
[13:27] <Isai> Anyone?
[13:28] <Deadwing> Can anyone point the way to running a daemon as root on startup under systemd/15.04?
[13:28] <MarcGuay> bstarek: It's very similar to the code in the first textarea here http://ninjafirewall.com/malware/index.php?threat=2013-06-18.01
[13:29] <BluesKaj> Deadwing, you could try sudo systemctl enable nameofdaemon
[13:29] <Sarge123> Does a Ubuntu user believe that telepathy is possible and having experiences with telepathy?
[13:29] <pbx> Isai, i see some discussion of the problem here but no clear fix yet. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/policykit-1/+bug/1447654
[13:30] <Isai> :/
[13:30] <bstarek> MarcGuay, it is XSS (cross site scripting) vulnerability
[13:30] <Deadwing> BluesKaj: Thanks.  I'll look into it now.
[13:30] <esc_type> Deadwing: write .service file and make systemctl enable myservice.service or just systemctl enable if service is alredy written
[13:30] <bstarek> MarcGuay, you need to fix your infected "php" file
[13:31] <bstarek> MarcGuay, you have an unsanitized variable in your code allowing the malware to inject code
[13:32] <bstarek> MarcGuay, if you are wordpress, please update all your plugins.
[13:32] <crypto_guy> hi, the kernel update in U14.04 can cause network problem?
[13:33] <crypto_guy>  kernel update >> apt-get upgrade
[13:36] <Deadwing> BlueKaj:  sudo systemctl enable vlmcsd gives 'invalid argument'.  Trying to get vlmcsd to start from /etc
[13:38] <iepupp> jhow to setup "use this connection only for resources on its network command line" using command line
[13:38] <iepupp> I mean which config file to use to set the above option?
[13:40] <Deadwing> esc_type:  Missed your reply, thanks as well
[13:41] <aaps> j #tkkrlab
[13:42] <MagePsycho> #ini_set('display_errors', 1); —> ini_set('display_errors', 1);
[13:42] <MagePsycho> how to remove # from the above string
[13:42] <MagePsycho> using sed command
[13:43] <cedian_linux> I blocked myself on freenode accidentally by using tor, but I found out it was only on the tor ip's
[13:44] <cedian_linux> But I'm now redownloading my ~/phablet/* files
[13:47] <cedian_linux> what name has mariogrip now?
[13:47] <kopele> hi i got a strange problem with xsane and a network printer
[13:48] <kopele> when i scan a file and attempt to save it every thing freeze
[13:56] <Pici> /36/70
[13:58] <iepupp> does Ubuntu NetworkManager ignores /etc/network/interfaces?
[13:58] <kopele> no i don`t  think so
[13:58] <kopele> just yesturday i have a issue with that :)
[13:59] <iepupp> ok, then what does iface eth0 inet manual in /etc/network/interfaces means?
[14:00] <kopele> it`s a some kind of manual setup
[14:01] <kopele> but there isn`t a static ip subnet and etc.
[14:01] <BluesKaj> iepupp, no it overwrites  the interfaces file, unless you disable NM
[14:05] <BluesKaj> iepupp, this will explain the settings, http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/setting-up-an-network-interfaces-file/
[14:06] <iepupp> Ok , I am trying to configure an interface as auto eth3 iface eth3 inet manual
[14:06] <iepupp> up ip link set dev $IFACE up
[14:06] <iepupp> down ip link set dev $IFACE down , do i need to disable the NM
[14:07] <skinux> If I install PhpMyAdmin via PPA, will that over-write the one installed via repo or would it be an additional installation?
[14:08] <phunyguy> skinux: that depends on what the ppa does, and there is no way of knowing that without the ppa
[14:08] <BluesKaj> iepupp, only if you can't set them up in NM
[14:08] <skinux> Well, the PPA looks old anyway: https://launchpad.net/~nijel/+archive/phpmyadmin
[14:13] <erdea> How do i configure linux for dual displays?
[14:13] <lotuspsychje> !xrandr | erdea
[14:14] <erdea> I have hdmi an hdmi and dvi screen
[14:14] <erdea> Does it matter?
[14:15] <erdea> I have one hdmi screen working (new) and my other screen is dvi (old)
[14:15] <iepupp> BluesKaj, one connection in Ubuntu NM uses an option 'Use this connection for resources on its network'. If I disable NM, How can i configure one interface in interfaces to use this routing option.
[14:15] <lotuspsychje> erdea: normaly the output of the cables dont matter, just needs xrandr config to find second screen
[14:16] <erdea> when i am on the dvi screen the hdmi is disconnected and now i am using the new screen its has great resulution but the old screen with the dvi has shit resulution
[14:17] <lotuspsychje> erdea: read the xrandr link i triggered you mate
[14:17] <erdea> okay
[14:24] <newman> hi team I am trying to install Meteor javascript framework using curl command. if i lose internet connect, can I give the same command and half download software will it continue from their or from the start?
[14:26] <newman> I gave this command right now "curl https://install.meteor.com/ | sh
[14:26] <newman> " and it's downloading the packages now , if i lose the internet connection giving the same command will the download starts from beginning or from where the download broken/
[14:26] <newman> kindly help
[14:26] <MCSH> Hi, I am getting a kernel panic on Ubuntu 15.04 can anyone help me?
[14:27] <lotuspsychje> MCSH: what does the error say exactly?
[14:27] <pbx> newman, try the -C option http://curl.haxx.se/docs/faq.html#How_do_I_tell_curl_to_resume_a_t
[14:28] <MCSH> Fatal exception in interupt
[14:28] <newman> what you mean pbx
[14:28] <newman> curl -C https://install.meteor.com/ | sh
[14:28] <newman>  like this pbx
[14:28] <MCSH> Although the whole system freezes, I've seen this only when I was on tty1 when it freezes
[14:29] <pbx> newman, http://curl.haxx.se/mail/archive-2010-10/0001.html
[14:29] <iepupp_> How do i configure auto eth3 iface eth3 inet manual
[14:29] <iepupp_> up ip link set dev $IFACE up
[14:29] <iepupp_> down ip link set dev $IFACE down using NetworkManager?
[14:30] <pbx> newman, that script is only like 6K
[14:30] <newman> but it wasn't download completley
[14:30] <newman> each time
[14:30] <pbx> newman, well then you have some other problem
[14:31] <pbx> curl isn't going to fix a bad network connection newman . keep trying until you get the whole thing, then pipe it to sh or whatever
[14:31] <newman> ok
[14:31] <MCSH> lotuspsychje Fatal Exception In Interrupt
[14:33] <artms> hidei
[14:42] <herrkin> hwllo
[14:42] <herrkin> hello
[14:42] <herrkin> has anybody had trouble with usb-modswitch?
[14:43] <herrkin> I have 2 modems that I see it opens 3 ports on dmesg but when I try to connect to them bash says they dont exist
[14:44] <herrkin> I had one of the modem working before, when I plugged the second one I dont know what happened, now none of them  work
[14:47] <MCSH> I'm getting Kernel Panic (Fatal Exception In Interrupt) about 30 seconds after I boot 15.04, can anyone help me?
[14:49] <ioria> MCSH, can you select another kernel from grub ?
[14:49] <MCSH> ioria I don't have anyother kernel. after facing the problem I re installed everything and now I'm on a fresh install that doesn't work
[14:50] <buzain> part
[14:51] <ioria> MCSH, do you have exotic hardware ,  wifi network adapter in particular ?
[14:51] <MCSH> ioria , I have Nvidia and Boradcam, both of which have previously caused problems for me
[14:52] <newman> Hi team I tried to install Lighttable following a link, but I'm getting this error http://paste.ubuntu.com/11702477/
[14:52] <moses> so
[14:52] <newman> kindly help
[14:52] <moses> anyone have nvidia drivers
[14:52] <moses> on ubuntu?
[14:53] <ioria> MCSH, do you remember what broadcom ?
[14:54] <newman> anyone here
[14:54] <MCSH> ioria, not exactly but I can look it up in wondows if I figure out how
[14:54] <ioria> MCSH, are you dual boot ?
[14:55] <MCSH> ioria, Broadcom BCM4352HMB 802.11ac 2x2 Wi-Fi Adapter
[14:55] <MCSH> ioria, yes. Though that's not a problem I've had 15.04 for a while now, and before that 14.10
[14:57] <MCSH> newman, have you tried this? http://askubuntu.com/questions/604331/libudev-so-1-not-found-when-trying-to-run-spotify
[14:58] <moses> which nvidia driver should I be using
[14:58] <newman> not yet
[14:58] <newman> will try
[14:58] <catcher> Anyone having a decent experience with a linux native email client connected to an exchange server?
[14:58] <moses> open source?
[14:59] <MCSH> moses, in a terminal run ubunut-drivers devices, it marks one of them as suggested, use that one
[14:59] <newman> I'm getting this error MCSH http://paste.ubuntu.com/11702516/
[14:59] <newman> kindly help
[15:01] <Pici> newman: your error message is cutoff
[15:01] <moses> i picked the reccomended one tyvm you sexy man
[15:01] <newman> which one Pici
[15:01] <Pici> newman: "ln: failed t"
[15:01] <ay92> having problems with telnet
[15:02] <MCSH> moses, yw
[15:02] <ay92> keep having connection refused error when connecting to massinternational.org
[15:03] <Pici> ay92: What are you trying to accomplish?
[15:03] <moses> now that I have it installed how do i change the settings?
[15:03] <newman> kindly check Pici MCSH  http://paste.ubuntu.com/11702531/
[15:04] <ay92> cend step of configuring postfix
[15:04] <Pici> ay92: Are you specifying port 25?
[15:05] <ay92> Picyes
[15:05] <jParkton> ugh postfix
[15:05] <MCSH> newman it failed to installed the package, I'm sorry I have no clue
[15:05] <newman> Pici, any help
[15:06] <Pici> ay92: telnet massinternational.org 25   works for me
[15:06] <newman> I got ubuntu 14.04
[15:06] <MCSH> ioria, any progress? would it help if I install another version of kernel?
[15:07] <ioria> MCSH, sure, als another version of Ubuntu :-P
[15:07] <ay92> ubuntu server 15.04 lts
[15:07] <ioria> MCSH, the erros suggest an hardware issue
[15:07] <ioria> *s
[15:08] <MCSH> ioria I was wondering if moving back to Ubuntu 14.10 would cause any problem if I want to update later since it switched to systemd
[15:08] <ay92> wats de output
[15:08] <Pici> newman: Are you having trouble running lightable from the path it installs to?
[15:08] <newman> yes
[15:08] <Pici> newman: What system architecture are you on? 32 or 64 bit?
[15:08] <newman> not just their it's not even running from place I downloaded it
[15:08] <MCSH> ioria hardware as in I have to change the hardware or just kernel failling to commiunicate with it?
[15:08] <newman> 32 bit
[15:09] <Pici> newman: What do you mean by "its not there"?
[15:09] <newman> I mean Download folder I extracted ..
[15:09] <ioria> MCSH, try with 14.10, then you can do-release-upgrade to 15
[15:09] <MCSH> ioria , will do thanks
[15:09] <newman> I actually got 64 system, but OS I installed was 32 bit ubuntu 14.04 Mate
[15:10] <Pici> newman: Okay, did you extract the contents of the tar.gz file?
[15:10] <newman> yes
[15:10] <Pici> newman: To where?
[15:11] <darthanubis> newman, if its not too late, I'd reinstall with the 64bit version of the OS. The days of 64bit caution have long been over.
[15:11] <ltk> why use 'LIST_POSITON1' or 'LIST_POSITION2', not 'NULL'？
[15:12] <darthanubis> just a Protip
[15:12] <Pici> leetking: methinks you've mistaken this channel for another (this is #ubuntu)
[15:13] <leetking> I don't know other channel.
[15:14] <Pici> leetking: What are you looking for help with?
[15:14] <leetking> about two macro
[15:15] <Pici> leetking: in what software?
[15:16] <leetking> linux kernel file 'list.h', i feel wondring
[15:18] <Pici> leetking: You'd have better luck asking in ##kernel
[15:19] <leetking> Pici: yesterday, i join in channel #kernelnewbies , but nobody repond me
[15:19] <leetking> is the server irc.freenode.net?
[15:19] <Pici> leetking: Yes.
[15:20] <leetking> tks, i try again
[15:23] <Mangled_Packages> I'm stuck in a loop where it won't let me remove a package that depends on another package - it says it removes the package but the broken stuff just keeps lingering around. can anyone help?
[15:24] <Mangled_Packages> things look like this http://i.imgur.com/PMTg71u.png
[15:26] <michaelanhvu> hi
[15:26] <jParkton> wtf are you doin???
[15:26] <darthanubis> Mangled_Packages, did you try apt-get -f install?
[15:26] <jParkton> it says right there "sudo -f install"
[15:27] <jParkton> not sudo apt-get -f uninstall somestuff
[15:27] <Mangled_Packages> that doesn't work either
[15:27] <darthanubis> Mangled_Packages, you didn't give the cmd properly
[15:27] <teward> Mangled_Packages: remove the other packages?
[15:28] <eydaimon> how is Mir coming? Is it part of unbuntu yet?
[15:28] <darthanubis> it's "sudo apt-get -f install"
[15:28] <darthanubis> eydaimon, no
[15:28] <eydaimon> darthanubis: is there an eta or something?
[15:28] <Mangled_Packages> dpkg: error processing archive /var/cache/apt/archives/weechat-core_0.4.2-3_i386.deb (--unpack):  trying to overwrite '/usr/share/locale/ru/LC_MESSAGES/weechat.mo', which is also in package weechat-devel-core 1.3-1~dev20150612 dpkg-deb: error: subprocess paste was killed by signal (Broken pipe)
[15:28] <darthanubis> eydaimon, maybe 16.04
[15:29] <eydaimon> thanks
[15:29] <darthanubis> np
[15:29] <jParkton> sudo apt-get purge weechat*
[15:31] <Mangled_Packages> ooh, PURGE. that souds lovely. . . . . and I thik it worked!
[15:31] <Mangled_Packages> thank you so much
[15:31] <Mangled_Packages> everything - remove, install, and the "repair" that ubuntu's GUI package manager offered to use, were all butting their heads against the same weird dependency crap
[15:33] <jParkton> Mangled_Packages: that is because you were trying to uninstall weechat but the weechat developer module and I assume others you installed would not let you
[15:33] <jParkton> it takes time, you will get it
[15:34] <Mangled_Packages> I am saving that "purge" command in a very honored place in my brain :)
[15:34] <Mangled_Packages> sometimes total destruction is the only way!
[15:38] <jParkton> you should follow it up with apt-get autoremove
[15:38] <jParkton> that will clean up most junk
[15:39] <M_angled> roger that
[15:53] <orion> http://www.ubuntu.com/usn/usn-2635-1/ <-- this is wrong!
[15:53] <orion> "USN-2635-1: Linux kernel (Utopic HWE) vulnerabilities" ... "A security issue affects these releases of Ubuntu and its derivatives: Ubuntu 14.04 LTS"
[15:53] <orion> 14.04 == Trusty, not Utopic
[15:55] <timtimtim> hey guys, was wondering if anyone had advice on a good out-of-the-box web server i could use for hosting and testing web projects in development
[15:55] <mawels> Hi everyone
[15:57] <mawels> Is that flood?
[16:01] <tgm4883> timtimtim: apache?
[16:02] <Fr3d3r1c> salut
[16:02] <mawels> Has anyone sucseed setting up vga passthroug in kvm?
[16:02] <Fr3d3r1c> j'aimerai pouvoir travailler sur un lien symbolique
[16:02] <Fr3d3r1c> mais je ne pense pas que ce soit possible
[16:02] <tgm4883> orion: that isn't wrong
[16:02] <jaydemir> hey I could use some help. I'm running xfce-desktop trusty and I tried to install UNetBootin. When I open it, I just get a blank interface. any idea why?
[16:03] <compdoc> mawels, never needed it. You have two video cards in the host?
[16:03] <tgm4883> orion: it's a bug in the hardware enablement stack that was backported to 14.04
[16:03] <tgm4883> jaydemir: try opening it from a terminal and seeing if you get error messages
[16:04] <mawels> Compdoc i do, i have a integrated intel hd 2000  and a dedicated hd7850
[16:04] <jaydemir> how would I do that?
[16:04] <tgm4883> jaydemir: open up a teminal and typr 'unetbootin' (which I'm assuming is the binary name
[16:04] <compdoc> mawels, the video card you want to pass cannot be used by the host in any way. at least thats my understanding
[16:05] <mawels> Ok but when i pass the dedicated vga, wich is not in use, my system hangs
[16:07] <shome> Is anyone here familiar with shadowprotect ?
[16:07] <jaydemir> getting a command not found
[16:07] <mawels> I will try again may be i missed something
[16:07] <meta-system> hi here
[16:07] <meta-system> need some help about installing vivid with debootstrap
[16:08] <jaydemir> wait I got it to work in the terminal. same thing. It asks for a password when it opens and doesnt load
[16:08] <cybrNaut> ":": Keep a package at its current version. Unlike hold, this will not prevent future upgrades. <== what good is that?
[16:09] <johnsmith> test
[16:09] <meta-system> cybrNaut: prevent upgrade you don't want
[16:10] <meta-system> like when gimp change interface when 2.8 comming
[16:10] <meta-system> prevent gtk/qt version changement
[16:10] <meta-system> or gcc, etc...
[16:10] <cybrNaut> meta-system: are you saying it blocks the *next* upgrade only?
[16:10] <meta-system> cybrNaut: "Keep a package at its current version"
[16:10] <johnsmith> #ubuntu-discuss
[16:10] <meta-system> for all next upgrade
[16:11] <cybrNaut> meta-system: the interesting bit is: "this will not prevent future upgrades."
[16:11] <cybrNaut> it's a contradiction
[16:11] <meta-system> cybrNaut: but you can have dependencies problems with other packages
[16:12] <meta-system> sorry, effectively
[16:12] <meta-system> cybrNaut: prevent upgrade package if you think next version is not enough stable for you
[16:13] <meta-system> or if a dependencie is not enough stable
[16:13] <cybrNaut> meta-system: isn't it pointless to block the next version, but not the version after the next?
[16:14] <cybrNaut> the version after the next is likely to have the same changes as the next
[16:14] <meta-system> cybrNaut: it seems
[16:15] <meta-system> cybrNaut: for example, if you don't want rev version
[16:15] <meta-system> but jump directly to next version
[16:16] <xangua> rev version?
[16:16] <meta-system> revised
[16:17] <meta-system> for example, actual linux git kernel 4.1-rc7 <<< rc7 is revision 7
[16:19] <meta-system> example : gcc-4.9-20140406-0ubuntu1 of trusty repos
[16:19] <meta-system> is 4.9 04/04/2014 revised version
[16:19] <meta-system> *06
[16:19] <xangua> !latest
[16:20] <meta-system> exactly what I said...
[16:21] <xangua> if you want to have the latest for all/any software all the time, maybe Ubuntu is not the distro for you
[16:24] <kuba7447> fedora
[16:29] <cybrNaut> if i manually install a package that later becomes market "obsolete" in aptitude, what's the best way to keep it?
[16:29] <cybrNaut> should I put a hold on it?
[16:29] <funkt> Hello! I need some help with my dual monitor. Upon booting up my laptop this morning with connected monitor. Ubuntu has decided to remove any known configuration of my previous moitor in nvidia display settings and lock itself to a crappy low res which I cannot change. I have tried restoring, bios, terminal commands, xrandr, articles etc etc and I cannot seem to get anywhere has anyone here got any ideas on how I could fix this again?
[16:29] <cybrNaut> technically, i do not intend to hold back the version
[16:33] <Ints> Hey, I just installed ubuntu on another computer, did a complete new install, with deleting the old documents. now after booting I get invalid partition table
[16:38] <afradin> hello guys
[16:38] <afradin> how are you ?
[16:38] <afradin> BOU
[16:45] <cybrNaut> Ints: not sure how that happened, if you tool the simple path of letting the installer partition your drive using a canned layout
[16:45] <cybrNaut> Ints: try reinstalling.. perhaps another distro, like Mint
[16:50] <Ints> cybrNaut: I just had mint, thought I'd try ubuntu. But I found a fix. had to go to bios settings and set the boot sequence to UEFI instead of legacy boot
[16:54] <annoyingquestion> hey guys i have a question
[16:54] <annoyingquestion> in the "apt-get update -qq" what does the -qq mean?
[16:54] <meta-system> xangua: effectively, I principaly use funtoo
[16:55] <acz32> annoyingquestion: man apt-get
[16:55] <angular_mike_> annoyingquestion: `-qq` supresses logging output
[16:56] <angular_mike_> annoyingquestion: `-q` would also do that but to lesser extent
[16:56] <angular_mike_> annoyingquestion: you can learn more by reading `man apt-get`
[16:56] <annoyingquestion> thank you!
[16:57] <lotuspsychje> angular_mike_: did you fix your issue from yeserday?
[16:57] <angular_mike_> lotuspsychje: which one?
[16:57] <lotuspsychje> angular_mike_: not sure again :p
[16:57] <angular_mike_> lotuspsychje: the one where my desktop environment was being messed up and gnome-terminal uninstalled?
[16:58] <lotuspsychje> angular_mike_: cant recall that1
[16:58] <angular_mike_> lotuspsychje: reinstalling the gnome-terminal as well as ubuntu-desktop seems to fix it every time
[16:58] <lotuspsychje> angular_mike_: ok great
[16:59] <angular_mike_> by the way, #vbox people kinda scoffed at the notion of using ubuntu-specific version of virtualbox
[16:59] <angular_mike_> lotuspsychje: still not completely sure what causes it
[17:08] <linuxson> anyone help me with some info on how to run a script file automatically every time my pc starts up?
[17:09] <lotuspsychje> !cron | linuxson
[17:10] <linuxson> thanx lotus....will have a look
[17:10] <narkman> hey guys. what if i preload a 1gb ram? is good or take damage?
[17:11] <lotuspsychje> narkman: wanna install a new ram bank?
[17:11] <narkman> yes!
[17:11] <lotuspsychje> narkman: and your question is?
[17:12] <narkman> is not that
[17:12] <narkman> just if i preload the low gb ram. is good or bat?
[17:12] <narkman> bad*
[17:12] <lotuspsychje> narkman: not sure if i understand you mate
[17:12] <narkman> wait i have bad engl
[17:13] <narkman> i feel you
[17:13] <narkman> do you know preload?
[17:13] <narkman> \
[17:13] <lotuspsychje> narkman: the package preload?
[17:13] <M_angled>  weechat-plugins : Depends: libperl5.14 (>= 5.14.2) but it is not installable                    Depends: libv8-3.8.9.20 but it is not installable
[17:14] <lotuspsychje> !info preload | narkman
[17:14] <M_angled> just to doublecheck, I attempted to apt install those, but they are indeed not installable, heh
[17:14] <narkman> fro more speed?
[17:14] <narkman> for*
[17:14] <M_angled> suggestions welcome if anyone knows about libperl or libv8?
[17:14] <lotuspsychje> narkman: you can install that safely
[17:15] <narkman> ok ty man
[17:15] <lotuspsychje> narkman: doesnt matter if you have low or large ram
[17:15] <narkman> ok
[17:15] <narkman> is just for a neetbook
[17:15] <lotuspsychje> narkman: after reboot it will pre-load your packages to boost up a little
[17:15] <narkman> i have biger with 16gb ram
[17:16] <lotuspsychje> M_angled: try apt-cache search packagename to check out whats avalaible for you
[17:16] <ctjctj> I'm having a problem with update-grub duplicating the contents of menu.lst.  Method: rm /boot/grub/menu.lst; update-grub -y; edit groot=(hd0);update-grub;  At the end I have the contents duplicated.  14.04lts
[17:16] <trism> M_angled: which ubuntu version is this?
[17:17] <M_angled> 14.04 lte
[17:17] <trism> M_angled: what is: apt-cache policy weechat-plugins; because that is the wrong perl dep for 14.04 (I get libperl5.18
[17:18] <M_angled> weechat is an irc client I'm trying to set up. I did things wrong so I had to remove it, and I think an apt cleanup operation I did removed the "no longer necessary" perl, and maybe ruby too
[17:19] <MCSH> ctjctj run sudo gedit /boot/grub/grub.cfg and manually remove it
[17:19] <ctjctj> Looking MCSH, thanks.
[17:19] <trism> M_angled: I know what weechat is, I want to see the output of that command above in a pastebin, but I'm saying that is the wrong perl lib as a dep which is why I am curious, it should be libperl5.18 not libperl5.14
[17:20] <M_angled> ohhh I see
[17:20] <M_angled> ok
[17:20] <MCSH> Ctjctj no problem, ask if you needed help with modifying config
[17:21] <lotuspsychje> MCSH: you been able to solve your issue mate?
[17:21] <ctjctj> There is no such file.  I hope you don't mind if I use "emacs -nw" instead of gedit.
[17:22] <MCSH> lotuspsychje I installed 14.04 and I'm updating it to see if it works :-) no problem so far on 14.04
[17:22] <lotuspsychje> !yay | MCSH
[17:22] <Azjo> Hi, im doing a dd image from ubuntu live to my windows smb share. however it is only going at 2.0mb? can i speed this up?
[17:22] <Azjo> nvm.. it decided to speed up now
[17:23] <MCSH> Thanks :-)
[17:23] <ctjctj> MCSH, that doesn't seem to be helpful.  man update-grub says run it once, edit the options in menu.lst, the run update-grub again.
[17:23] <M_angled> trism: http://pastebin.com/CmX3zPap
[17:23] <M_angled> I'm on x86 fwiw
[17:24] <MCSH> ctjctj sorry in that case, editing /boot/grub/grub.cfg would be the same though
[17:24] <MCSH> ctjctj are you using legacy grub or grub2?
[17:25] <ctjctj> Let me check with apt-cache
[17:25] <MCSH> ctjctj menu.lst is for legacy I believe
[17:25] <trism> M_angled: that's fine, I see you added an external weechat repo, but it seems you added the wrong one, if you don't want to use the repo version it seems like the right repo line is: deb https://weechat.org/ubuntu trusty main
[17:25] <yank> Greetings
[17:25] <lotuspsychje> ctjctj: what are you trying to edit exactly?
[17:26] <lotuspsychje> yank: hello, how can we help you
[17:26] <ctjctj> MCSH, Version: 0.97-29ubuntu66.  Required for linode py-grub which is required for iscsi and quotas
[17:26] <trism> M_angled: you added the wheezy one, probably just have to fix it in your /etc/apt/sources.list and rerun: sudo apt-get update;
[17:26] <yank> I am having some login problems with ubuntu 14.04.
[17:26] <pbx> my volume buttons stopped working. they appear to be set just as they always have in keyboard settings.  what might i have done? only significant system change today i know of was removing durst (notification daemon from i3)
[17:26] <lotuspsychje> yank: can you describe
[17:26] <MCSH> ctjctj yes that's legacy edit /boot/menu.lst
[17:26] <lotuspsychje> !sound | pbx
[17:27] <ctjctj> Found the error.
[17:28] <Azjo> err. my dd copy to share folder is apparently going at 7.0mb now but it looks like it is going slowly? 1mb a second??
[17:28] <yank> Suddenly, since yesterday, I am unable to login. After I try to, it just launches the desktop (no icons) for 3 seconds, flashes and sends me back to the login screen. I am able to login through guest account.
[17:28] <ctjctj> if you run update-grub -y; modify menu.lst; update-grub you get two copies.  If instead you run update-grub -y;update-grub; modify; update-grub; it works.
[17:28] <Guest47326> hello
[17:28] <darthanubis> hello
[17:28] <lotuspsychje> yank: did you try make a new user?
[17:29] <linuxson> anybody here worked with cygwin before?
[17:29] <Guest47326> krun
[17:29] <lotuspsychje> linuxson: try the #cigwin channel
[17:29] <Azjo> anyone with great knowledge of dd copy thru smb share??
[17:29] <linuxson> cool
[17:29] <lotuspsychje> linuxson: #cygwin sorry
[17:30] <yank> lotuspsychje: No but I have deleted .Xauthority (with a backup), reinstalled xorg and made unity default settings.
[17:30] <M_angled> hm, I did actually want 'wheezy" because I'm superstitious about using the same program version as the majoirity ;) but if trusty will work and wheezy will be a hassle, I'll give it a shot
[17:30] <M_angled> attempting to install from new repo now
[17:30] <yank> (through unity-tweak-tools)
[17:30] <lotuspsychje> yank: maybe try grub recoverymode with a shell, and make a new user?
[17:30] <yank> I can login on tty
[17:30] <trism> M_angled: well the versions are all the same, the difference is they build against different libs
[17:31] <M_angled> ah, ok. I thought I was using a slightly older program version by using wheezy
[17:31] <lotuspsychje> yank: checkout lightdm.log maybe to see whats going on?
[17:31] <M_angled> looks like it's working, thanks :)
[17:31] <lotuspsychje> !cookie | trism
[17:31] <yank> lotuspsychje: Okay, one second...
[17:31] <ctjctj> yank, I have the exact same issue on some older hardware after I yanked the dead nvidia board.  Xorg works for the login screen but fails to allow you to log in.  Including a brand new user.
[17:32] <pbx> lotuspsychje, thanks, but all those settings are normal-looking, as before (and the troubleshooting stuff is all "i have no sound" which is not my problem; my system simply isn't reacting to the HW keys)
[17:32] <lotuspsychje> pbx: anything relevant in syslog or dmesg about it?
[17:33] <ghosty_> bonsoir quelqu'un conai le # tag d'ubuntu quebec
[17:33] <lotuspsychje> !fr | ghosty_
[17:33] <ghosty_> merci
[17:35] <yank> lotuspsychje: I don't understand it at all.. Should I pastebin ?
[17:35] <He4dShOt_noteboo> hello
[17:35] <lotuspsychje> yank: sure ill take a look at your lightdm.log
[17:36] <He4dShOt_laptop> is it normal that while my laptop is locked the fn+f[1-12] are still accessible?
[17:36] <EriC^^> yeah
[17:37] <He4dShOt_laptop> is there a way I cant disable them while is locked?
[17:37] <yank> lotuspsychje: http://paste.ubuntu.com/11703233/
[17:37] <Guest80666> After installing Ubuntu, I get the error "no boot disk has been detected or the disk has failed" Here is my boot repair paste: http://paste.ubuntu.com/11703197
[17:37] <lotuspsychje> lemme look
[17:37] <He4dShOt_laptop> *can
[17:39] <lotuspsychje> yank: sounds like this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lightdm/+bug/1288903
[17:40] <pbx> lotuspsychje, not sure what i'm looking for but nothing obvious seen in syslog or dmesg, nor action in syslog when i hit the keys.
[17:40] <lotuspsychje> yank: a lot of time shows in lightdm log: User /org/freedesktop/Accounts/User1000 changed
[17:41] <ctjctj> Yank, lotuspsychje THANK YOU!  Brings that system back to life.  MY lady will be happy about that.
[17:41] <lotuspsychje> pbx: can you try a realtime tail -f /var/log/syslog and tail -f /var/log/dmesg
[17:41] <yank> lotuspsychje: Unfortunately I can't access that link since I'm on tty
[17:41] <ctjctj> yank: short answer: apt-get install ubuntu-session
[17:41] <lotuspsychje> yank: did you clean install or upgrade?
[17:42] <yank> clean install
[17:42] <yank> Oh, I have seen that too
[17:42] <yank> May I try to reinstall ubuntu session ?
[17:42] <ctjctj> yank, that's what the bug he referenced suggests.
[17:42] <yank> oh, ok
[17:43] <yank> because I already tried to install it and it said it was already installed
[17:43] <yank> will reinstall it this time
[17:43] <ctjctj> One other thing in there: I fixed this by installing unity-greeter and manually editing /etc/lightdm/lighdm.conf (greeter-session was empty for some reason, I had to set it to "unity-greeter").
[17:43] <pbx> lotuspsychje, yeah, nothing in either when i hit the keys
[17:44] <Scraak> After installing Ubuntu, I get the error "no boot disk has been detected or the disk has failed" Here is my boot repair paste: http://paste.ubuntu.com/11703197
[17:44] <ctjctj> Scraak, sounds like grub was not installed.
[17:45] <yank> ctjctj: I do not even have a lightdm.conf file O.O
[17:45] <yank> will reinstall it
[17:45] <ctjctj> Try with just the ubuntu-session install first.
[17:46] <ctjctj> I'm just reading the web page for you.  I know what it is like to be stuck in the cli with no gui.  (about the time I start web browsing with my phone)
[17:46] <Scraak> ctj, how do install grub? I'm pretty new to linux
[17:46] <yank> should I restart ?
[17:46] <ctjctj> if everything is absolutely wonderful "sudo update-grub"
[17:47] <ctjctj> Yank, you might be able to do "sudo service lightdm restart"
[17:47] <ctjctj> If not you can use the M$ fix.
[17:47] <MCSH> ctjctj I doubt that would work; Scraak do you have an ubuntu disk/flash drive?
[17:47] <Scraak> yeah i have it on disk
[17:48] <MCSH> Can you boot it live?
[17:48] <Scraak> yeah, it's what i'm doing rn
[17:48] <yank> ctjctj: Reinstalled ubuntu-session, restart lightdm service, didn't work
[17:48] <TJ-> Scraak: "no boot disk has been detected or the disk has failed" comes from the PC's BIOS/Firmware. It is possible the problem is simply the boot device order setting
[17:48] <yank> ctjctj: Should I try to reinstall lightdm aswell ?
[17:49] <ctjctj> yank, I don't think that is required.
[17:49] <yank> Then what should I do ? I still not being able to login
[17:49] <Scraak> TJ-: Which device should be booted first, then?
[17:50] <ctjctj> yank, I'm looking at my configurations for an answer for you.
[17:50] <yank> ctjctj: Oh, thank you very much
[17:50] <TJ-> Scraak: The device that Ubuntu is installed to - sometimes this happens after the install media is removed if the boot order was changed to do that. Some PCs can remove devices from the boot order list rather than just shuffling the list order
[17:51] <TJ-> Scraak: That's the very first thing I'd investigate in this situation since the error comes from the firmware, not the boot loader or OS
[17:51] <Scraak> TJ-:Yeah, the problem starts after ubuntu is done installing and it tells me to remove any installation device
[17:52] <ctjctj> yank, got to bounce to a different/older box.
[17:52] <TJ-> Scraak: And to complicate matters, modern systems are often UEFI and have a BIOS boot compatibility mode called 'legacy' or CSM (Compatibility Support Module). Which is required depends very much on whether the installer booted in UEFI or BIOS mode since it'll install for that boot mode, too
[17:53] <Scraak> TJ_: I'm certain it booted and installed in UEFI
[17:53] <TJ-> Scraak: Your boot info seems to indicate a UEFI installation on sda
[17:53] <yank> lotuspsychje: So, any thoughs ?
[17:54] <Scraak> TJ-: Okay, does that mean I have to change something?
[17:54] <yank> ctjctj: What I didn't understand sorry ?
[17:55] <ctjctj> I'm at the office right now. My office box is running 15.04.  I can't find anything about a greeter in my config files.  So I went to my home box running 14.10 and checked there.  No greeter there either.
[17:55] <yank> oh
[17:55] <TJ-> Scraak: Now, with UEFI there's one other important issue. The PC firmware keeps, in non-volatile memory, the boot entries and the boot order. Looking at your boot info output, the listing produced by efibootmgr shows the boot order "BootOrder: 0001,0002,000A,000B,0006,0007,000C,0000" and that 0000 (last) is the Ubuntu entry... so all those other devices will be tried first. That also makes me think you need to alter the boot order in the Firmware setup so Ubuntu (
[17:55] <TJ-> 0000) appears first
[17:56] <TJ-> Scraak: (line 472 of your pastebin)
[17:56] <yank> Well just in case, I have no xorg.conf on etc/X11 neither lightdm.conf on etc/lightdm
[17:56] <Scraak> TJ-: Alright, but I've tried to manually boot it from ubuntu and it's had the same error
[17:56] <TJ-> Scraak: OK ... let me read some more of your boot-info, in detail this time
[17:57] <ctjctj> yank: about 4 years ago xorg.conf became optional.  The detection routines got good enough that the defaults were good.
[17:57] <yank> Oh
[17:57] <ctjctj> What type of video card do you have?
[17:57] <yank> me ?
[17:57] <yank> intel gma 3150
[17:57] <yank> I want to use this computer as workstation
[17:58] <TJ-> Scraak: line 707 indicates the boot order has been fixed
[17:58] <TJ-> Scraak: Aha!!
[17:59] <Scraak> I haven't changed anything yet so I don't know why that is
[18:00] <Aurax0r> hi there
[18:00] <TJ-> Scraak: Both the outputs from efibootmgr for the Boot000 (Ubuntu) entry have faulty paths - unless there's something wrong with how boot-info captures the output of efibootmgr. On the first (line 473) there is no path to the EFI executable... and on the 2nd (line 708) the path is missing the path separator slashes
[18:00] <Scraak> TJ-: Okay, how do I fix it?
[18:01] <TJ-> Scraak: That looks to me like Firmware bug... those used to be quite common... can you tell us the exact make/model of the PC motherboard and the firmware version ?
[18:02] <Scraak> TJ-: Okay, I'm looking it up
[18:03] <TJ-> Scraak: This might give it you: "grep DMI /var/log/dmesg"
[18:03] <ctjctj> yank, strings /usr/sbin/lightdm | grep lightdm takes us to /usr/share/lightdm/lightdm.conf.d where you can find examples for /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf
[18:04] <ctjctj> 50-ubuntu.conf says use user-session=ubuntu which would require ubuntu-session
[18:04] <Scraak> TJ-: Okay it's Hewlett-Packard 500-c60/2B05, BIOS 80.10 01/10/2014
[18:04] <TJ-> yank: Have you investigated the logs in "/var/log/lightdm/" for clues?
[18:06] <yank> TJ-: Yes but I know knothing about these things...
[18:07] <Scraak> TJ-: Would giving FAT32 a 'boot' flag in gparted fix the problem?
[18:07] <ctjctj> TJ-, He put out a pastbin.  looks like X server got signal 10
[18:08] <ctjctj> [+175.65s] DEBUG: Got signal 10 from process 3035
[18:08] <ctjctj> TJ-, http://paste.ubuntu.com/11703233/
[18:08] <TJ-> Scraak: No; this is totally an firmware bug issue - path is incorrect in the boot menu
[18:09] <TJ-> Scraak: I am trying to navigate the HP support site to discover any BIOS updates but the site goes round in circles!
[18:10] <TJ-> yank: ctjctj Have you checked/removed "/home/$USER/.Xauthority" in case it is corrupt?
[18:10] <yank> TJ-: Yes, will do that again...
[18:11] <IP92> anyone using spotify's web player? Can you login using the facebook ID?
[18:12] <TJ-> yank: Shouldn't need to do it again - there's a rare bug where that file gets created owned by 'root' user so when a user logs in it doesn't have permission to delete and replace that file, so the user session aborts back to the login greeter
[18:12] <nils_> can I get systemd to put out some visual feedback when I stop/start/restart/reload services?
[18:12] <yank> so I should chown the file to me ?
[18:13] <Scraak> TJ-:I found the page where you download updates for my exact PC, but there is nothing listed. http://support.hp.com/us-en/drivers/selfservice/hp-pavilion-500-c00-desktop-pc-series/6528309/model/6529878#Z7_3054ICK0K8UDA0AQC11TA930O2
[18:13] <TJ-> yank: It should already be owned by your user, if not, that is a problem
[18:14] <yank> yeah it stills not working
[18:14] <TJ-> Scraak: OK but if you select Windows OS and Win 7 there's a BIOS update listed 80.20 Rev A) issued June 9th 2015
[18:15] <ctjctj> Yank, I'm sorry but nothing more I can do for you from here.  I can't even get my remote hands (lady) to do things on the broken box.
[18:15] <footer> Hi. I have my hard drive encrypted with the option ubuntu gives on installation. Now laptops motherboard is dead. Willl i be able to retrive the data back given i have only password of sudo
[18:16] <TJ-> Scraak: I'd try that first if you know how to apply it, then redo the boot info repair in case the path holds correctly. From what I've told you, you know now what to look for in that boot-info output to determine if the path issue is fixed or not
[18:16] <nils_> footer: are you using ecryptfs then?
[18:16] <nils_> footer: the option should be named something like "encrypt user home directories"
[18:16] <yank> ctjctj: Thanks anyway :)
[18:16] <TJ-> footer: Do you mean user home encrypted, or full disk encryption? Either way, changing the motherboard won't affect being able to unlock encrypted volumes
[18:16] <footer> Yess i guess so, it puts keys in .private in hone i guess
[18:16] <nils_> footer: in any case, if the mainboard dies your data is probably still safe as long as you have all the credentials
[18:16] <yank> I may end up reinstalling
[18:17] <yank> replacing it with arch
[18:17] <nils_> footer: should work with your normal user password
[18:17] <footer> Nils_ yes that home directory encryption
[18:17] <yank> Im just lazy
[18:17] <nils_> yank: I prefer the term efficient ;)
[18:17] <footer> Nils, thanks you very much
[18:18] <yank> Well, bye guys, thanks for the help! I really appreciate it.
[18:18] <jackarg> hi there quick question, I'm trying to open minecraft.jar with openjdk java 7 except the option doesn't show up when right clicking, only the "archive manager" does. The file is set as executable. help?
[18:19] <Scraak> TJ-: How do I apply the update in Ubuntu? I've been using the "Try before installing" mode
[18:19] <footer> Tj, thanks you too
[18:19] <TJ-> Scraak: I think you have to use the HP recovery tools, or Windows, but you'll have to read the HP documents on that.
[18:20] <TJ-> Scraak: The details for that update hint that it may fix this, too: "- Improved security of UEFI code and variables."
[18:20] <MCSH> jackarg create a file next to it like this: java -jar FILENAME
[18:21] <MCSH> jackarg make this file executable and run it
[18:21] <Scraak> TJ-:Okay, I'm going to be gone for a while, doing this
[18:22] <jackarg> MCSH: where filename is .. ?
[18:22] <MCSH> Jackarg minecraft file, I think it should be minecraft.jar
[18:24] <jackarg> MCSH: not sure if I'm doing this right, I typed "java -jar minecraft.jar" in my home folder where the actual jar is and got this: "Error: Unable to access jarfile minecraft.jar"
[18:24] <es_> Unhammer: if you are still reading this it turned out to be a pemission problem on the home directory being group writable makes ssh not accepting public keys authentication
[18:25] <MCSH> Where is minecraft.jar? same folder?
[18:25] <Scraak> TJ-: AHAA!!! I just fixed it in the strangest way possible! I launched system recovery, and Ubuntu just, launched!
[18:25] <MCSH> Scraak congratz!
[18:26] <MCSH> Jackarg that's basically correct,  the only problem is that it can't locate the minecraft.jar file, make sure you spelled it correctly,  it's on the same folder, etc
[18:27] <TJ-> Scraak: Fab. Can you show us what "pastebinit <(sudo efibootmgr -v)" now reports?
[18:28] <jackarg> MCSH: ah, forgot about it being case sensitive. all is good, thanks a bunch. i have to do this every time i'd like to run the game now?
[18:28] <ctjctj> jackarg, you might be able to right click on the jar file and select "java" to open it.
[18:28] <MCSH> Jackarg no just execute this file
[18:29] <Scraak> TJ-: Yeah I'm trying to install it and it's not letting my type in my password, like it's not accepting input in the terminal
[18:30] <jackarg> ctjctj: that's the problem, i don't have the option
[18:30] <jackarg> MCSH: don't see any new file created
[18:30] <TJ-> jackarg: Is there an "Open with..." option?
[18:31] <MCSH> Jackarg simply put that command in a new document
[18:31] <MCSH> And mark that as executable
[18:31] <jackarg> MCSH: right.
[18:31] <jackarg> TJ-: yes and java is not an available alternative
[18:36] <cotalinux> Hello, I've set up LXC with LAMP and everything is working nicely. Now I would like to link a folder (www) from the host to the LXC. I've tried with ln -s but it doesn't seem to be working. Does anyone have any ideas how I can do this?
[18:38] <trism> cotalinux: http://askubuntu.com/questions/610513/share-a-folder-between-host-and-ubuntu-lxc-container
[18:38] <khalsa> hi
[18:40] <uporot> khalsa: hi
[18:46] <pbx> my volume keys stopped having any effect, any ideas? all relevant settings (sound, keyboard) seem correct and the same as they have been. sound works normally otherwise, this is clearly an input issue
[18:52] <Tekkkz> Hello. I have a problem launching minecraft, everytime at startup its following error: https://bpaste.net/show/bc8a17065991 how to fix that?
[18:53] <r-a-x> i am able to connect to wifi but unable to access internet, I am able to ping website by ip but not by name, and i experience 80% packet loss
[18:53] <kuba7447> Tekkkz, are you using openJDK ???
[18:54] <Tekkkz> kuba7447, yeah i think so – how to figure that out?
[18:54] <kuba7447> tekkkz , i had the same problem a day ago, i fix it
[18:55] <Tekkkz> kuba7447, how?
[18:55] <kuba7447> you have to download oracle's JDK, give me a sec and i will give you the link
[18:58] <Tekkkz> kuba7447, sure, thanks
[18:59] <brainwash_> Tekkkz: this user was able to resolve the problem http://www.minecraftforum.net/forums/support/unmodified-minecraft-client/2440292-minecraft-boot-trap-error
[19:00] <kuba7447> http://www.google.ie/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CCEQFjAAahUKEwiiyeyK64rGAhWHXRQKHXMPAF4&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.howtogeek.com%2F198476%2Fhow-to-install-minecraft-on-ubuntu-or-any-other-linux-distribution%2F&ei=0St7VeKcFYe7UfOegPAF&usg=AFQjCNHdSnr3X3cyU_1XEUhJd0p5Gcmp8g&bvm=bv.95515949,d.d24
[19:00] <brainwash_> uhm.. that's a long link
[19:00] <kuba7447> tekkkz, http://www.howtogeek.com/198476/how-to-install-minecraft-on-ubuntu-or-any-other-linux-distribution/
[19:00] <kuba7447> it didnt load properly
[19:01] <Tekkkz> ahh ok thanks, brainwash_ 's worked, but thx for your help too, kuba7447
[19:01] <kuba7447> here, tekkkz, http://www.howtogeek.com/198476/how-to-install-minecraft-on-ubuntu-or-any-other-linux-distribution/
[19:01] <brainwash_> great :)
[19:02] <kuba7447> tekkkz, install oracle's jdk anyway, performance increase...
[19:02] <brainwash_> he left already
[19:02] <brainwash_> he/she
[19:02] <kuba7447> ok
[19:06] <xentity1x> Hi can someone help me figure out why I get a blank screen when I boot into discretre graphics mode with my thinkpad w530. I'm running ubuntu 14.10 with an nvidia quadro k2000m.
[19:07] <kuba7447> xentity1x, what driver are you using ?
[19:08] <Blackport> hi, I have problem with ati acceleration in my version of ubuntu, I have hybrid graphic Intel/Amd
[19:09] <xentity1x> kuba7447, I've tried a few. Most recently I tried the nouveau driver. I also tried nvidia-304 (proprietary) and nvidia-331 (proprietary)
[19:09] <lotuspsychje> xentity1x: does that card use optimus?
[19:11] <xentity1x> lotuspsychje>, yes I've gotten it to work with bumblebee, but I want to also be able to use discrete mode because using dual monitors with bumblebee is difficult
[19:11] <lotuspsychje> xentity1x: bumblebee is outdated, use nvidia-optimus instead
[19:11] <xentity1x> kuba7447, I'm not sure the best driver to use.
[19:12] <lotuspsychje> !info nvidia-prime | xentity1x can you check this package?
, thanks i tried googling that but I can't find any info. Can you direct me to a guide?
[19:14] <Blackport> Hi Again, I have problem with ati acceleration on my laptop I have hybrid graphic Intel/Amd. My laptop was freezing for while ;/
, i installed the package but I dont know how to use it
[19:15] <lotuspsychje> xentity1x: if you sure your card uses optimus technology, then sudo apt-get install nvidia-prime
[19:15] <lotuspsychje> xentity1x: reboot after, and start nvidia-settings, to enable performance mode to use your nvidia card
, ok brb
[19:17] <lotuspsychje> Blackport: anything usefull to see in your syslog or dmesg?
[19:19] <lotuspsychje> xentity1x: found nvidia-settings from dash?
[19:19] <Blackport> When I'm writing vainfo in terminal I don't see amd card, only information about Intel integrate card . I didn't check syslog
[19:19] <lost> hello all
, ok so i did that. This is what nvidia-settings looks like for me http://i.imgur.com/3esUt0u.png
[19:20] <lotuspsychje> Blackport: can you switch the card to amd from bios?
[19:20] <lost> anyone have exp with uefi and ubuntu?
[19:20] <lotuspsychje> xentity1x: what about application profiles
, it doesnt show any programs on that screen
[19:21] <Blackport> lotuspsychje: nope ;/  I have asus k53sk laptop  so  they blocked this option in bios
[19:21] <xentity1x> it's just a blank list
[19:21] <lotuspsychje> xentity1x: no profile to edit?
[19:22] <lost> i have some boot issues becuase i installed in legacy mode but i need it in uefi and need the efi file i think but im actually pretty new to linux
[19:22] <lotuspsychje> xentity1x: should look like this: http://www.phoronix.net/image.php?id=nvidia_prime_ubuntu1404&image=nvidia_optimus_prime1_med
[19:22] <xentity1x> http://imgur.com/CNHPsIb
,http://imgur.com/CNHPsIb
[19:23] <lotuspsychje> xentity1x: wich drive do you have loaded right now? maybe try a switch from additional drivers?
[19:24] <lotuspsychje> !uefi | lost
[19:24] <xentity1x> <lotuspsychje im using nouevaeu right now
[19:24] <lotuspsychje> xentity1x: try another maybe, to see if that influence nvidia-settings
[19:25] <xentity1x> <lotuspsychje any idea how to figure out the best driver for your grpahics card?
[19:25] <dacorr_> trial an error until one of the nvidia drivers work
 i see a few listed under additional drivers
[19:26] <lotuspsychje> xentity1x: ubuntu should normaly choose best driver by default, if you enabled internet + updates
[19:26] <dacorr_>  think 340 worked but my onboard intel is still complaining
 i tried reinstalling nvidia-current
[19:29] <pbx> i solved my volume-keys-no-work problem.  it was some detritus from installing i3.  removed all i3 packages and rebooted and we're in business again
now im using nvidia-304 proprietary. The gpu still isnt showing up on nvidia settings
[19:30] <lotuspsychje> !yay | xen
[19:30] <lotuspsychje> xentity1x: might need a reboot
 ok brb
[19:31] <lotuspsychje> pbx: so i3 messed up unity?
[19:31] <pbx> lotuspsychje, yeah, subtly
[19:31] <lotuspsychje> pbx: ok tnx for feedback, good to know
[19:32] <Stoner19> hello all
[19:32] <Stoner19> is server the same as desktop, just without the GUI?
[19:32] <lotuspsychje> !server | Stoner19
[19:33] <Stoner19> thank you. I wasn't sure if there were additional packages included in server or if it was just designed to be command prompt only but with same packages as desktop
[19:34] <lotuspsychje> Stoner19: server is non-gui indeed, with other needs then desktop
[19:34] <Stoner19> thank you very much
[19:34] <lotuspsychje> Stoner19: do you want to install ubuntu server?
[19:35] <Stoner19> yes, that is likely what I'll be using. Going to wipe an old macbook to install it on
[19:38] <mach20x> Should I update to 15.04 from 14.10 I have been having troubles with the graphics, it would seem
[19:39] <SchrodingersScat> mach20x: eventually you'll want to make a move anyway
[19:41] <mach20x> "The move" you mean
[19:41] <SchrodingersScat> if you wait too long you'll be headed off to 16.04 before you know it :)
[19:42] <lotuspsychje> mach20x: 14.10 is almost end of life, the move means you will have to update soon anyway
[19:44] <mach20x> I'm doing the upgrade as we speak
[19:44] <lotuspsychje> mach20x: good choice
[19:45] <lost> im using 15.04 now
[19:45] <lost> but i have dual boot for 14.04 also
[19:46] <lost> but i have some boot issues because of uefi with a layer of bios
[19:46] <mach20x> I just got a new modem installed, the Ethernet port fried during a lightning storm on the old one, I think that port was starting to go anyways
, okay got it!
[19:48] <lotuspsychje> xentity1x: how did you fix mate?
, I had to install the nvidia-331 drivers.
[19:48] <fellayaboy> is it possible to run a gui program without a desktop environment?
[19:48] <mach20x> I might have got some bad packages as a result of the failing Ethernet port on the old modem
, now any idea how to get it to detect my second monitor connected to the vga port
[19:48] <xentity1x> ?
[19:49] <lotuspsychje> !xrandr | xentity1x
, this is the output of xrandr http://pastebin.com/zqahRfQS
[19:50] <mach20x> That maybe why it was crashing. EriC^^  has the lowdown on the output of my machine with regards to that problem
, Its not detecting the vga connection
[19:50] <lotuspsychje> xentity1x: you need to config xrandr, read the link mate
[19:51] <lotuspsychje> fellayaboy: if the package is also for terminal, you can run it
[19:52] <mach20x> Has there been any updates to the open source drivers in Ubuntu for my 4650 ati graphics cards (am doing variety)
[19:52] <fellayaboy> lotuspsychje: well yeah but what about x applications like firefox or calculator libreoffice…is it possible to run the command and load the gui app without the desktop environment?
[19:52] <mach20x> AMD not am
[19:53] <lotuspsychje> fellayaboy: not sure what you wanna achieve with this?
[19:53] <fellayaboy> or to somehow load a very very light weight desktop environment the moment it runs
[19:53] <lotuspsychje> !windowmanagers | fellayaboy
[19:54] <lotuspsychje> !info blackbox | fellayaboy
[19:54] <fellayaboy> hmm blackbo
[19:54] <fellayaboy> let me check that out
[19:55] <fellayaboy> i also wanted to run gui apps off of an ssh server… i tried it to do it but some gui apps dont work while others do..but at least i wnted to try doing it locally…
[19:55] <lotuspsychje> fellayaboy: e17 (enlightment) is also cool
[19:55] <mach20x> fellayaboy:  are you running a chroot environment on a single core on a phone or something?
[19:55] <fellayaboy> raspberry pi
[19:56] <fellayaboy> ubuntu-mate…i had another ubuntu before where it was just the command line no deskto environment before i plan to do the same with this one
[19:56] <lotuspsychje> fellayaboy: you can also ssh X
[19:56] <mach20x> Ah OK, I figured it was something with very limited resources
[19:57] <fellayaboy> i use to run gui apps using ssh -X …some apps run the gui fine on the client but not most
[19:57] <fellayaboy> simple apps like gedit would work
[19:58] <fellayaboy> guys thanks for all your help
[19:59] <fellayaboy> lotuspsychje:  enlightment looks awesome tahnks for sharing that
[19:59] <Peret> The 'avahi daemon' is installed in Ubuntu by default. Are there security risks if I am using public networks (Free WiFi, ...)?
[19:59] <lotuspsychje> fellayaboy: no sweat mate
[20:00] <lotuspsychje> Peret: public wifi's are always a risk mate
[20:00] <lotuspsychje> Peret: they can sniff out passwords
, okay so I tried turning on vga1 with xrandr --output VGA1 --right-of LVDS1
[20:01] <Peret> lotuspsychje: Yes, I know. But what could others do if I have the avahi daemon installed? Could you tell me some examples for possible attacks?
, that doesnt seem to work
[20:01] <lotuspsychje> xentity1x: not sure about that man, sorry dont got 2 screens here
, okay thanks
[20:03] <lotuspsychje> Peret: not sure for avahi, but public wifi's are always a risk
[20:04] <lotuspsychje> Peret: if you keep your system up to date, security risks will lower
[20:10] <Z3> Hi ! If I buy BQ Aquaris E5 Ubuntu edition, when "docking mode" or convergence is finished will be available too in this phone?
[20:10] <Ev0luti0n_> Hi folks.
[20:10] <xentity1x> can anyone help me figure out how to add a second monitor with xrandr?
[20:10] <brainwash_> !hi
[20:10] <Z3> I want to use it as a desktop pc when convergence is ready
[20:10] <lotuspsychje> !touch | Z3
[20:11] <Z3> lotuspsychje ok, thank you
[20:13] <Ev0luti0n_> Is there any hidden panel, where the power management features can be controled on Ubuntu?
[20:14] <Ev0luti0n_> thoroughly searched the system settings, in hopes of finding how to enable bluetooth over battery, but found nothing. Unity tweaker has nothing as well...
[20:14] <lotuspsychje> Ev0luti0n_: dconf-editor has power management options
[20:14] <lotuspsychje> !info dconf-editor | Ev0luti0n_
[20:14] <Ev0luti0n_> thanks!
[20:15] <Ev0luti0n_> Not being a complete newb, i do have a question. How am i able to find these not so obvious things? I mean, in windows you have "config .ini files, registry editing"... in linux, i just feel lost in certain situations.
[20:16] <mach20x> I'm running my system on a TV with 1080p but the drivers I have won't recognize the hdmi converter. Should I load the propriety drivers for my graphics cards? Will that solve this issue?
[20:17] <lotuspsychje> Ev0luti0n_: well dconf editor is a bit like a registry
[20:18] <lotuspsychje> Ev0luti0n_: of course, there are plenty of nice packages also to make your life easier
[20:18] <Ev0luti0n_> installing it already from the sources.
[20:19] <Ev0luti0n_> What i am trying to say is that, "one sort of is capable of finding the solution through the windows guy for a problem that arises", while on linux, if i don't search the web, i am not capable of arranging a solution; ever. loll
[20:20] <lotuspsychje> Ev0luti0n_: whats your issue exactly?
[20:20] <Ev0luti0n_> there is always a myriad of commands, string combinations, packages, dpkg, extracting from archives
[20:20] <Ev0luti0n_> you name it.
[20:20] <lotuspsychje> !info arandr | xentity1x can this help?
[20:20] <Ev0luti0n_> As for now, nothing more. Just a newb ranting. Thanks lotuspsychje
[20:26] <mach20x> I guess I'll just have to try it and find out
[20:27] <tgm4883> mach20x: I'd say just try it. You could also just hand configure xorg.conf
[20:28] <mach20x> What would I do with xorg.conf now?
[20:29] <tgm4883> well you could hand configure it so the settings match what your TV can do, you'll need to set the ignore EDID flag
[20:29] <sting3r> anyone know any replacement for remastersys or reconstructor
[20:30] <tgm4883> mach20x: if the settings aren't getting picked up automatically, then that would be the way to do it manually
[20:30] <sting3r> running ubuntu 15.04
[20:30] <ptrz> how do I get to a terminal from the login prompt?
[20:30] <mach20x> Great, I'll keep that in mind!
[20:30] <ptrz> (the Unity login prompt)
[20:30] <ptrz> it's giving me the "failed to start session" error
[20:31] <tgm4883> ptrz: ctrl+alt+F1
[20:31] <ptrz> and I'm pretty proficient as a sysadmin, but I'm not getting a grub option and I can't get any information at all about what's actually going on
[20:31] <ptrz> tgm4883: ah, thanks. I really think there should be a menu option for that
[20:32] <ptrz> cause from what I could tell, I was logged out and was going to have to boot to a recovery USB
[20:32] <sting3r> need a good app too replace remastersys or reconstructor
[20:32] <tgm4883> ptrz: I... you don't need to do that often, and that's the case for any linux distro out there.
[20:32] <mach20x> I'm not getting any signal to the hdmi as it is set now with a converter for the dvi
[20:34] <dmrq> ahoy
[20:35] <hugegreenbug> sting3r: try my script: github.com/distroshare/distroshare-ubuntu-imager
[20:35] <ptrz> tgm4883: what's the case?
[20:36] <sting3r> thx
[20:36] <tgm4883> ptrz: any linux distro you try would do the same for ctrl+alt+F1
[20:36] <ptrz> tgm4883: anyway, I'm seeing two errors in syslog. one about dnsmasq that I think I recognize, and one about systemd not being able to open the usb descriptor file or something like that
[20:37] <ptrz> I upgraded and dist-upgraded and rebooted. checking back now to see whether it worked
[20:40] <roothy>  /msg NickServ VERIFY REGISTER roothy owgruqshujny
[20:42] <jParkton> nope
[20:42] <dionysus69> hey guys
[20:43] <dionysus69> I am following this tutorial
[20:43] <dionysus69> I am told to install tigervnc on centos, is tigervnc "default" for ubuntu for the same reasons it is for centos?
[20:46] <tgm4883> I'm not sure I understand the question
[20:47] <Peret> Can sombody explain me why ntpd opens port 123 by default although I only want to sync the time?
[20:48] <compdoc> beacuse thats the NTP port?
[20:49] <jParkton> :O
[20:49] <swair>  i'm compiling kernel 3.16 gcc versions are 5 and 4.8, i've set CC=/usr/bin/gcc-4.8 still i get this error: fatal error: linux/compiler-gcc5.h: No such file or directory. anu ideas?
[20:49] <jParkton> looks like the script you are trying to compile is looking for => v5
[20:50] <swair> its the Makefile for kernel. i set CC=/usr/bin/gcc-4.8
[20:50] <swair> so it should not look for the gcc5 header right?
[20:51] <hugegreenbug> Peret: ntpd is also a server, not just a client to sync the time. AFAIK
[20:51] <Peret> compdoc: But why not only send a ntp request to the server and get the answer? Why have the port be open all the time?
[20:51] <dionysus69> so if I want to install vnc server or client on ubuntu, what would I install? I guess there are several forks
[20:51] <mach20x> Should I replace /etc/nginx/nginx.conf  ?
[20:52] <hugegreenbug> Peret: If configured correctly, other clients could sync the time from your ntpd daemon
[20:52] <mach20x> From 14.10 to 15.04
[20:52] <Peret> hugegreenbug: Isn't there a possibility so that I use the program only as client?
[20:54] <hugegreenbug> Peret: I think by default it is setup to only be a client, but it still opens that port. You can check the ntp config file
[20:55] <hugegreenbug> Peret: I think it is in /etc/ntp or something
[20:58] <ELITEZ-CRYPTO> http://worldhacker.org
[21:02] <jParkton> man his site is so crappy
[21:02] <jParkton> pitiful engrish
[21:02] <OliPicard> Hi everyone, I'm trying to create a init.d script that can run the following command on boot su kippo -c /home/kippo/kippo/start.sh any ideas on how to do this?
[21:02] <OliPicard> I just need the script to run on boot fire up and that's it.
[21:02] <teward> OliPicard: perhaps put it at the end of /etc/rc.local
[21:03] <mcphail> or add it to kippo's crontab
[21:03] <teward> which is called during boot
[21:03] <teward> mcphail: he'll need pidfile checking or such but that's another option
[21:03] <teward> mcphail: if he only wants it to run once at boot then /etc/rc.local is probably what he needs
[21:03] <mcphail> teward: crontab accepts @reboot as a time
[21:03] <teward> provided the process is disowned after starting and forked to the background
[21:04] <teward> mcphail: oh really?  cool
[21:04] <mcphail> yes, it is handy
[21:04] <teward> mcphail: he could still use /etc/rc.local if he wants, whichever works :P
[21:04] <mcphail> agreed :)
[21:05] <lasers> Is there a good GTK update manager for those running on different window manager?
[21:06] <OliPicard> teward: So I can input the command I mentioned above in /rc.local or should I just run kippo -c /home/kippo/kippo/start.sh
[21:07] <teward> OliPicard: you should still run the entire command you mentioned above, or put it in the crontab for the user kippo.  Either works, in my opinion.
[21:07] <OliPicard> teward: Alrighty so I've gone ahead and done this
[21:07] <OliPicard> su kippo -c /home/kippo/kippo/start.sh & including the and on the end so it's not going into an infinite loop
[21:09] <Myrth> hello, during `aptitude upgrade`, /boot got full and can't linux-server installation crashed. i've cleaned old files, but now i can't install or upgrade kernel because it says: "Internal Error: Could not find image (/boot/vmlinuz-3.2.0-85-generic-pae)"
[21:09] <Myrth> how can i force it to install the newest kernel? thanks
[21:10] <Scunizi> I have a lot of entries in .bash_aliases. Is there a way to list what's listed in there via cli? Prehaps creating another alias with a cat command?
[21:10] <OliPicard> sweet it's working! :)
[21:10] <dionysus69> how do I connect to a vnc server ?
[21:10] <OliPicard> Thank you everyone!
[21:10] <dionysus69> what package do I need to install ?
[21:10] <compdoc> the client?
[21:11] <dionysus69> its called vnc-client? its not real, tight or tiger? just vnc?
[21:12] <compdoc> no, do you want a client to connect to an existing vnc server, or do you want to run a vnc server so you can connect?
[21:13] <dionysus69> I am connecting to already running vnc
[21:13] <Scunizi> dionysus69: If you're trying to do a remote desktop connection with graphics you might consider using Teamviewer
[21:14] <dionysus69> i partially answered my question, i found out remmina has vnc support, but there are two options, vnc- incoming connections or vnc - virtual network computing?
[21:14] <dionysus69> Scunizi: teamviewer on linux is buggy from my experience, vnc has better reputation in my mind
[21:15] <uhci_> i guess this is what you need OliPicard https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuBootupHowto
[21:15] <OliPicard> uhci_: Thanks :)
[21:16] <OliPicard> uhci_: I had a quick look at https://www.raspberrypi.org/documentation/linux/usage/rc-local.md
[21:19] <courrier> Hey guys do you know a PDF viewer that is able to switch slides automatically and infinitely restarts from the first when it ends? Evince has not this feature, and I would like to avoid converting my pdf in many pictures ^^
[21:20] <kokut> courrier: why not just press the home button
[21:25] <courrier> kokut: I don't wanna press anything, it's for a show, my pdf will autonomously browse slides on a TV in background
[21:26] <mcphail> courrier: not sure about any software for automatic progression of PDF slides, but very easy to convert to images if you have software which can rotate those
[21:27] <kokut> courrier: use another presentation software
[21:28] <Pifa> hey there
[21:28] <Pifa> anyone can assist with sftp server set up ?
[21:29] <courrier> kokut: I know that, but my question is "what presentation software?"
[21:29] <SchrodingersScat> !ask | Pifa: I'm guessing there's some caveats to that?
[21:32] <mach20x> Upgrade install of 15.04 finds me with no sound. How may I fix this.
[21:42] <snake0> hey does anyone know how to force install a packge like http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=libre2-dev on trusty
[21:43] <snake0> i tried to build from source but i had issues with it
[21:44] <Guest50732> ?
[21:45] <Guest50732> ahloa
[21:51] <snake0> nm got it working
[21:51] <snake0> NO THANKS TO YOU FAGS AMIRITE
[21:52] <compdoc> no
[22:09] <jParkton> takes one to know one, amiright
[22:09] <jParkton> yuss
[22:10] <thiede> hi
[22:10] <thiede> good night
[22:13] <thiede> NVIDIA Corporation MCP61 Ethernet (rev a2)
[22:13] <thiede> dont get ip
[22:13] <thiede> what problem ?
[22:49] <xisall> :-D
[22:49] <syadnom> hi all.  anyone using btrfs on u14.04s x64 and seeing the misreported available space?
[22:50] <syadnom> I have 4x 4TB drives in a raid1 setup, showing 15T available when it should be 7~8TB available
[22:54] <erik__> Hello All!
[22:55] <reisio> 'lo erik
[22:55] <xisall> Hiii, i Have a question, Which disto is the best on a Macbook 2009
[22:56] <ubuntu717> hola alguien habla español
[22:56] <ubuntu717> alguien lee aca?
[22:56] <ubuntu717> holas
[22:56] <ubuntu717> alo
[22:56] <ubuntu717> alguien despierto
[22:56] <pingpingpong> Alo
[22:56] <ubuntu717> pingpingpong: hola
[22:57] <pingpingpong> Italiano?
[22:57] <ubuntu717> español
[22:57] <xisall> hola ubuntu 717!!!!!
[22:57] <ubuntu717> espñol
[22:57] <user__> holla
[22:57] <ubuntu717> xisall: hola
[22:57] <pingpingpong> Indendo un pochito
[22:57] <ubuntu717> xisall:
[22:57] <ubuntu717> user__: hola
[22:57] <ubuntu717> alguno sabe algo de pulseaudio
[22:58] <xisall> no ni idea!!
[22:58] <ubuntu717> instale pulseaudio y ahora quede sin sonido
[22:58] <pingpingpong> No :/
[22:58] <DalekSec> !es | ubuntu717
[22:58] <user__> Perque buscas coisanas del ubuntu?
[22:59] <user__> Ubuntu no presta
[23:01] <reactormonk> I have something listening on port 8443, but netstat -tulpn doesn't list me a PID, neither does fuser. Any other way to figure out what's listening?
[23:02] <EriC^^> reactormonk: try lsof -i
[23:02] <reactormonk> EriC^^, or try it as root.
[23:02] <EriC^^> no need for root
[23:02] <reactormonk> netstat told me the PID as root.
[23:03] <EriC^^> oh ok, cool
[23:03] <Bray90820> What's a good way to remotely update ubuntu
[23:04] <reisio> Bray90820: via commands
[23:04] <Oog> using sed how do i get it to actually use a \
[23:04] <reisio> Oog: \\
[23:04] <Oog>  echo `echo $EB_APP_CURRENT_DIR | sed s/"\/"/"\/"/g`
[23:04] <Bray90820> reisio: do you mean through the terminal
[23:05] <EriC^^> Bray90820: run sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade in a screen session
[23:05] <reisio> Oog: escape it like anything else you need to escape
[23:05] <reisio> Bray90820: yes, over ssh
[23:05] <Oog> reisio: i tried that it doesnt work it doesnt do anything. $EB_APP_CURRENT_DIR=/var/app/current i need to get it to \/var\/app\/current
[23:05] <EriC^^> Bray90820: use screen
[23:05] <Oog> echo `echo $EB_APP_CURRENT_DIR | sed s/"\/"/"\\\/"/g` results in /var/app/current
[23:05] <reactormonk> how do I ask which package a file belongs to?
[23:05] <Bray90820> EriC^^: It's a server that I don't have a screen connected to
[23:06] <syadnom> Bray90820, I suggest using screen or tmux on a remote session though, that way if you get disconnected your session doesn't die
[23:06] <EriC^^> Oog: those echo's are a little redundant
[23:06] <reisio> Oog: you said \ not / :p
[23:06] <reisio> Oog: sed can use most any delimiter, I prefer @ when not using /
[23:06] <EriC^^> Bray90820: screen is something that lets you leave the session but it continues, and you can attach to it later
[23:07] <EriC^^> !info screen
[23:07] <reisio> sed 's@foo/bar@baz/qux@g
[23:07] <Oog> there we go! simple thanks
[23:07] <Bray90820> EriC^^: When you say screen your not talking about connecting a monitor to it right?
[23:07] <reisio> with a trailling ' of course :P
[23:07] <reisio> doing that a lot lately
[23:08] <EriC^^> Bray90820: no
[23:08]  * reisio was food poisoned this morning, blames that
[23:10] <Kion> for some reason after upgrading to 15.04, whenever I try to print, my printing dialog takes ages, anybody has a similar problem?
[23:10] <Kion> Or a solution?
[23:11] <syadnom> Bray90820, it's a program that virtualizes your terminal.  You can ssh in and connect to 'screen', which has a number of persistant terminal sessions.
[23:12] <Bray90820> syadnom: Is it basically RDP from a terminal?
[23:12] <syadnom> so you could connect at home, then close your ssh program, go to another location and connect back up to the very same session
[23:12] <syadnom> Bray90820, I wouldn't say 'basically', but that might be a fair analogy
[23:12] <Bray90820> Like screen sharing for just the terminal right?
[23:13] <syadnom> Bray90820, but it's only for a terminal session, it's not a GUI interface
[23:13] <Bray90820> I know there is no GUI
[23:14] <Bray90820> Would this work with ubuntu as the server and OSX as the client
[23:14] <EriC^^> Bray90820: it's like a session manager for the terminal, like a container for the session, you can run something in screen, detach and then close the terminal and leave it running, then later ssh back in and attach to it
[23:14] <reisio> Bray90820: ssh works to and from any OS
[23:14] <EriC^^> Bray90820: so if your internet goes down or something it would continue for instance
[23:15] <reisio> Bray90820: screen does as well
[23:15] <reisio> but screen isn't client-server, it's just client
[23:15] <Bray90820> so it's just an SSH session?
[23:15] <reisio> you have a screen for each OS you want to use screen on, whereas with ssh you have a client for one and a server for the other
[23:15] <reisio> yeah it's just an ssh session
[23:15] <reisio> that you run screen from
[23:15] <reisio> remotely, from ssh
[23:15] <reisio> screen is just an app like any other
[23:15] <reisio> only super useful :D
[23:16] <syadnom> screen is for POSIX OS's, so linux, OSX, *BSD etc.  You can connect from about anything because you are just telnet or ssh'ing in and executing the screen program.
[23:17] <Bray90820> Spesifically for "sudo apt-get update" would you think I should stick with teamviewer or move to screens
[23:18] <syadnom> Bray90820, teamviewer? why would you use that?
[23:18] <EriC^^> just use screen, also update only updates the list of packages, it doesn't actually upgrade any packages
[23:18] <syadnom> Bray90820, ssh in, run screen (look at the docs for how to use it) and win!
[23:18] <Bray90820> syadnom: I am using teamviewer for some gui stuff that can'r be done in the terminal
[23:19] <reisio> eh, Windows is POSIX, too
[23:19] <reisio> if you mean Unixy, say Unixy
[23:19] <syadnom> Bray90820, 'can't be done in terminal' I dont understand this ;)
[23:20] <reisio> heh
[23:20] <Bray90820> syadnom: Haha Setting up some mythtv recordings
[23:20] <syadnom> reisio, windows is NOT posix compliant.  You can run cygwin on top to have a posix layer, but windows is certainly not
[23:20] <reisio> syadnom: it is
[23:20] <reisio> it's just crap is all
[23:20] <reisio> POSIX doesn't guarantee non-crapness
[23:20] <reisio> Unix does that :p
[23:20] <reisio> well free Unix, mostly
[23:22] <zykotick9> reisio: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/POSIX#POSIX_for_Windows windows is NOT posix...
[23:22] <syadnom> zykotick9, you beat me! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_POSIX_subsystem
[23:22] <syadnom> windows is not POSIX
[23:22] <zykotick9> syadnom: :)
[23:22] <Rodrigo5244> Windows have win32_api instead of POSIX.
[23:23] <EriC^^> windows is only POS
[23:23] <EriC^^> without the IX
[23:23] <reisio> zykotick9: didn't say it was
[23:23] <zykotick9> EriC^^: that's not Point Of Sale I'm assuming ;)
[23:23] <EriC^^> zykotick9: lol :P
[23:23] <syadnom> haha definitely not Point of Sale
[23:23] <xisall1> Hello, I have a question, Which distro is the best on a mac 2009
[23:23]  * syadnom harps on windows while running win8 :/
[23:23] <reisio> xisall1: whichever you're most familiar with
[23:24] <reisio> syadnom: probably why they have separate names, windows & posix
[23:24] <syadnom> reisio, not really sure how the names come into play :/
[23:24] <xisall1> thanks
[23:25] <syadnom> There is no 'POSIX' OS, just POSIX compliant OS's
[23:25] <reisio> that's how it comes into play
[23:26] <syadnom> anyway, back to the point of bringing it up, porting between POSIX os's is much easier so screen and tmux etc can be ported to various POSIX os's pretty easily, and so that's where it runs
[23:26] <syadnom> there were even screen ports to beOS
[23:27] <syadnom> and current screen and tmux is ported to HaikuOS.
[23:27] <reisio> even easier between Unix OSes :p
[23:27] <reisio> not that POSIX isn't a super cool name for a thing
[23:28] <syadnom> reisio, which unix os's are you talking about?
[23:29] <syadnom> posix compatability is the key commonality, it means standard interfaces.  if you wanted a multi-posix platform compatability for your app, you'd target posix, not unix convensions.  linux for instance doesn't use a ton of unix convensions, it uses posix convensions.
[23:30] <syadnom> and so unix command line
[23:30] <reisio> syadnom: Unix ones
[23:30] <reisio> no, POSIX is just a thing invented long after Unix OSes
[23:30] <reisio> Unix is the commonality
[23:31] <syadnom> reisio, no it's not.
[23:31] <reisio> yup
[23:31] <syadnom> no, linux isn't unix, so there is no 'unix' there to target
[23:31] <OerHeks> LoLz
[23:31] <reisio> I'll take the word of a Unix co-creator of some random IRC person's :p
[23:31] <reisio> s/of some/over some/
[23:32] <syadnom> reisio, haha, post that word here for all the read
[23:32] <reisio> um, sure
[23:32] <lost> anyone know about uefi?
[23:32] <reisio> lost: what about it
[23:32] <syadnom> cause you are wrong, so I want to you let everyone know your incorrect source
[23:33] <OerHeks> reisio +1
[23:33] <lost> i have a hp envy m6 and it was originally a windows comp but i installed ubuntu and it has some boot issues i think it has somthing to do with uefi
[23:33] <reisio> syadnom: not sure how I can be wrong about a verified quote, but I'll find it if you like
[23:33] <EriC^^> lost: what issues?
[23:33] <syadnom> lost, probably say your issue, might be a better path to follow
[23:34] <syadnom> reisio, yes please
[23:35] <lost> well ubuntu is installed in legacy mode because it was giving problems like black sceen booting but now it just glitches on boot even sometimes from the login sceen it does it too
[23:35] <syadnom> lost, hmmm, does it boot up though and you just lose video?  can you ssh in to the box?
[23:36] <syadnom> lost, can you clarify 'on boot', it sounds as if you are mixing up the system boot with the X initialization.
[23:36] <lost> it doesnt lose video like pixle glitches and it does boot and i actually only been using linux for about a year so ssh is somthing ive never done
[23:37] <reisio> syadnom: 4th response: http://www.linuxfocus.org/English/July1999/article79.html
[23:37] <EriC^^> lost: type lspci -k | grep -A2 VGA and paste here
[23:37] <reisio> and 5th
[23:37] <reisio> and in general throughout
[23:38] <lost> type it in terminal?
[23:38] <EriC^^> yeah
[23:38] <reisio> also it's just apparent... GNU was always meant to be a Unix clone, that's what it is
[23:38] <reisio> even if it weren't meant to be, it still is :p
[23:38] <lost> what does that do?
[23:38] <kuba7447> can i make unity games on linux?
[23:38] <EriC^^> lost: tells us your graphics card and driver in use
[23:39] <syadnom> reisio, Ritchie is an old unix dev, but he is grouping non-unixes with unix as if they are the same and they are not.
[23:39] <lost> lost@lost-hp-envy-m6:~$ lspci -k | grep -A2 VGA
[23:39] <lost> 00:01.0 VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Trinity [Radeon HD 7660G]
[23:39] <lost> 	Subsystem: Hewlett-Packard Company Device 18a6
[23:39] <lost> 	Kernel driver in use: radeon
[23:39] <lost> lost@lost-hp-envy-m6:~$
[23:39] <reisio> kuba7447: maybe not so simply
[23:39] <reisio> syadnom: I think this brings us back to: I give his word more credit than yours :p
[23:39] <reisio> not that it matters, it's apparent, heh
[23:39] <kuba7447> not so simple?
[23:40] <syadnom> reisio, except that you are using a reference that doesn't apply.
[23:40] <reisio> "Starting this Thanksgiving I am going to write a complete Unix-compatible software system" — original GNU announcement
[23:40] <reisio> syadnom: sure it does
[23:40] <syadnom> reisio, that article is BIG on generalization, and doesn't mention posix even once
[23:40] <reisio> kuba7447: I don't believe unity3d specifically targets GNU/Linux, so yeah, not as simple as for some OSes
[23:41] <reisio> syadnom: why would it, I just got done saying posix is irrelevant :p
[23:41] <kuba7447> will unity be natively supported on linux?
[23:41] <reisio> if you want proof that it's irrelevant, Windows supports it and Windows still bites
[23:41] <syadnom> reisio, posix is relevant, it is why the gnu toolchain works on linux.
[23:41] <reisio> kuba7447: you're talking about unity3d, yes?
[23:41] <kuba7447> unity sdk
[23:41] <syadnom> the gnu toolchain was written for posix compliance, and very spcifically NOT unix
[23:41] <reisio> syadnom: gnu predates posix
[23:41] <OerHeks> kuba7447, if you want unity game engine, no: osx and windows only
[23:42] <OerHeks> http://unity3d.com/get-unity
[23:42] <syadnom> stallman was writing a toolchain for a non-unix OS
[23:42] <kuba7447> that sucks :(
[23:42] <kuba7447> is blender good?
[23:42] <reisio> what do you expect from a proprietary engine
[23:42] <reisio> kuba7447: yes, it's grand
[23:42] <reisio> syadnom: he was writing a toolchain for an OS he wouldn't get sued over
[23:42] <reisio> naturally it would not be "Unix", merely Unix
[23:42] <syadnom> reisio, sure.  and it wasn't unix
[23:43] <reisio> wasn't it? :p
[23:43] <syadnom> reisio, certainly not
[23:43] <reisio> is a clone the same entity as what it was cloned from?
[23:43] <reisio> no, but also yes :p
[23:43] <lost> because im so new to linux where could i learn more im super ambitious about learning everything linux  any recommendations where i could learn more about terminal just all linux
[23:43] <reisio> lost: ##linux in general
[23:43] <kuba7447> will Microsoft sue reactOS ?
[23:43] <syadnom> reisio, no, hurd isn't a unix, linux isn't a unix
[23:43] <lost> yes
[23:43] <reisio> kuba7447: didn't they already?
[23:43] <kuba7447> did they? lol
[23:43] <reisio> I'm sure they threatened to, at least
[23:44] <reisio> syadnom: indeed, hurd is a kernel
[23:44] <reisio> Unix is an OS
[23:44] <reisio> I know reactos did a huge audit to avoid that
[23:44] <syadnom> reisio, ok, so I'll clarify.  GNU/Hurd and GNU/Linux are not unixes
[23:44] <reisio> Microsoft makes more from suing people making money
[23:44] <kuba7447> same with apple
[23:45] <reisio> syadnom: sure they are
[23:45] <syadnom> they are not
[23:45] <reisio> syadnom: sure they are
[23:45] <zykotick9> syadnom: i'd say they are unix-like...
[23:45] <lost> i just wanna learn how to use linux more fluently
[23:45] <reisio> by the very act of using the word "UnixES", you verify that Unix is not a single thing
[23:45] <reisio> so just give it a rest :p
[23:45] <syadnom> zykotick9, they are unix-like, but they are not unix
[23:45] <kuba7447> i wanted to try reactOS but why should i?
[23:45] <reisio> kuba7447: I can't think of a reason
[23:45] <reisio> kuba7447: severe boredom?
[23:46] <OerHeks> !terminal | lost
[23:46] <kuba7447> maybe
[23:46] <syadnom> reisio, I (nor linus) ever use unixes to describe linux
[23:46] <zykotick9> syadnom: they are not direct decendents of unix no.
[23:46] <reisio> syadnom: because Linux is a kernel
[23:46] <reisio> and Unix is an OS...
[23:46] <le_pig> lol...
[23:46] <syadnom> gnu/linux, which is generally referred to as linux :/
[23:46] <kuba7447> hurd will fail, its too much behind
[23:46] <lost> oerheks ty
[23:46] <syadnom> unless you are stallman and you have a hard on for the gnu part
[23:47] <lost> hey you guys watched the show Mr Robot?
[23:47] <reisio> right, but I'm sure Linus, having created Linux, which is a kernel, unlike you perhaps(? :p), knows it's a kernel and not an OS
[23:47] <syadnom> kuba7447, hurd wont fail, you have to exist to fail lol
[23:47] <reisio> lost: nope, good?
[23:47] <kuba7447> linux > hurd
[23:47] <syadnom> reisio, linux is a kernel, gnu is a non-unix toolchain.  GNU/Linux is not unix, it's unix-like
[23:47] <lost> yes i thought so
[23:47] <reisio> I bookmarked it a few weeks back
[23:47] <reisio> lost: cool
[23:48] <reisio> kuba7447: certainly fatter :p
[23:48] <reisio> syadnom: you're so cute :p
[23:48] <kuba7447> i dont understand why someone should call linux gnu/linux
[23:48] <reisio> kuba7447: 'Unix' is simpler
[23:48] <syadnom> kuba7447, because stallman hates us all, thats why
[23:48] <reisio> but if you were distinguishing between one Unix and another, GNU/Linux is useful
[23:48] <reisio> because GNU is about 900% of the OS, and Linux is about 0.5%
[23:48] <syadnom> reisio, unix isn't simpler, linux isn't unix so it's completely untrue
[23:48] <syadnom> to use reactos as an example, reactos isn't windows.
[23:48] <reisio> if you want to see how awful the OS is with Linux and without GNU, you need only try using Android
[23:49] <reisio> no it's not windows, it's just windows
[23:49] <syadnom> lol
[23:49] <lost> reisio: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JpxvvnWvffM
[23:49] <kuba7447> i respect stallman but if a user want to use proprietary software....
[23:49] <reisio> kuba7447: yes?
[23:49] <reisio> it's that user's choice, that's the beauty of free software
[23:49] <kuba7447> gnu is 8% of the os, linux is about 10%
[23:49] <reisio> lost: oh wow, on youtube
[23:50] <syadnom> stallman is the Al Gore of software.  so headstrong for 'free' that he chases everyone else off
[23:50] <reisio> kuba7447: nope
[23:50] <reisio> yes, annoying Stallman who created the OS you're using :p
[23:50] <syadnom> kuba7447, where did you get those numbers?  made up or is there an article you read?
[23:50] <lost> yeah i was surprised too
[23:50] <kuba7447> so ironic how stallman fights for freedom but forbids to use proprietary software
[23:50] <reisio> lost: this is just in time, I ran out of eps of the series I was watching
[23:51] <reisio> kuba7447: since he's not in charge of everyone, and knows this, it's irrelevant
[23:51] <reisio> lost: weekly, oy
[23:51] <syadnom> stallmans crew did a good job on a lot of those utilites for sure, but they guy has taken it way too far.
[23:51] <zykotick9> kuba7447: actually, stallman argues against the creators of non-free sofware, NOT the users (who are victims)
[23:51] <lost> reisio: theres only 1 epi of this but its good
[23:51] <reisio> lost: yeah, I couldn't watch Breaking Bad originally because a week is too long
[23:51] <reisio> I'll watch the first ep, though :)
[23:52] <lost> reisio: i concur
[23:52] <reisio> so usa is putting its shows on youtube now or what?
[23:52] <kuba7447> we all want linux to be successful , i prefer open software but there is nothing wrong with using propiatery software
[23:52] <lost> reisio: its definitely worth watching i loved it
[23:53] <syadnom> kuba7447, linux is wildly successful is it not?
[23:53] <kuba7447> 1.5% of desktops, ehhhhh
[23:53] <syadnom> unless you mean you want *linux to dethrone Windows
[23:53] <reisio> lost: :)
[23:53] <OerHeks> bug 1
[23:53] <reisio> yes, you _can_ use proprietary software and only waste your own time
[23:54] <reisio> though if you're in a position of power you can waste many other people's :p
[23:54] <syadnom> I think the fundamental problem with *linux (in regards to replacing Windows) is that it's appropraite to put the * in front of it.  which linux do you want to win??
[23:54] <lost> reisio: i dont think there putting there shows on youtube but i think they just trying to get more publicity
[23:54] <reisio> no particular distro needs to win
[23:54] <reisio> lost: hrmrmrmrmrm
[23:55] <lost> reisio:but im glad they did
[23:55] <syadnom> if you write a software package, you have to either package it for a bunch of distros (filesystem layouts, init scripts blah blah) or hope it's hot enough that someone else packages it for you :/
[23:55] <kuba7447> i hate how fedora dosent allow you to use propiatery software, but there is always korora
[23:55] <reisio> where 'hot enough' means a useful contribution at all
[23:55] <reisio> that's right, only useful contributions are appreciated :p
[23:55] <reisio> 't'was ever thus
[23:56] <syadnom> I don't have a problem with proprietary software, I have a problem with proprietary formats.
[23:56] <kuba7447> formats?
[23:56] <syadnom> file formats
[23:56] <lost> EriC^^: do you know how to install ubuntu in uefi mode?
[23:57] <kuba7447> for example?
[23:57] <EriC^^> lost: yeha
[23:57] <EriC^^> *yeah
[23:57] <syadnom> the trap isn't in using proprietary software, it's in being bound to that software with a file format that cannot be used with something else
[23:57] <EriC^^> lost: is windows booting right now?
[23:57] <syadnom> docx, xlsx for example
[23:57] <syadnom> rely on reverse engineering a format and then the format evolves intentionally to thwart compatability
[23:58] <lost> EriC^^: even tho i have it installed in legacy mode right now how could i do it while i have it already installed and do i have to have a efi file or somthing like that?
[23:58] <syadnom> another one is the quickbooks database format
[23:58] <EriC^^> lost: windows and ubuntu both need to be installed in either legacy mode or uefi
[23:58] <syadnom> you are all but trapped on quickbooks :/
[23:58] <EriC^^> lost: you can't have 1 in uefi and 1 in legacy, it'll be hell
[23:58] <kuba7447> what happened to wayland?
[23:59] <syadnom> kuba7447, its still limping along
[23:59] <lost> EriC^^: i removed windows but i wanna get ubuntu to uefi and remove it from legacy and thats why i asked it in that context
[23:59] <kuba7447> so , we wont see wayland for a long time?