[07:17] <Kilos> morning all
[07:18] <Cryterion> morning
[07:18] <Kilos> ha not hiding today
[07:19] <Cryterion> lol. on phone atm anyway. so no script running
[07:19] <Kilos> lol
[11:38] <georgelappies> hi all
[11:39] <Kilos> hi georgelappies  
[11:45] <georgelappies> hi Kilos, how are you doing
[11:45] <Kilos> good ty and you?
[11:46] <georgelappies> good thanks :)
[13:36] <inetpro> #PowerAlert: Eskom will implement #load_shedding stage 1 from 17h00 to 22h00 today.
[13:50] <MaNI> lovely
[13:58] <inetpro> MaNI: you can say that again
[13:58] <Kilos> ai!
[13:59] <MaNI> nothing like some sunday afternoon load shedding to prepare you for the week ahead
[14:00] <Kilos> lol
[14:21] <squish102> "Minister of Public Enterprises Lynne Brown ruled out the privatisation of basic services - such as the provision of electricity and water - and said load shedding will continue for three more years."
[14:21] <squish102> only three more years and then it will be better
[14:21] <squish102> there is hope
[14:25] <Kilos> lol
[14:26] <georgelappies> squish102, that is based on the assumption that Eskom will get stations like Medupi and Kuseli up and running though in time...
[14:28] <inetpro> I have my doubts
[14:29] <inetpro> but at the same time I think in two or three years time things will look totally different
[14:29] <inetpro> more and more people and businesses will be off the grid by that time
[14:29] <Kilos> they first have to get permission from the forefathers to carry on
[14:30] <inetpro> we might even end up not needing those power stations
[14:30] <Kilos> why?
[14:30] <inetpro> Kilos: the more people doing threir own thing the less power is needed
[14:31] <inetpro> their*
[14:31] <Kilos> lol
[14:31] <Kilos> too expensive
[14:31] <inetpro> the costs are starting to balance out
[14:32] <Kilos> those battery systems for a household are R36k
[14:32] <inetpro> it's a long term investment
[14:32] <Kilos> i wonder how long those batteries will last
[14:40] <inetpro> people are doing it without a doubt 
[14:45] <georgelappies> Nuclear power is the most sane long term, cheapest solution
[14:45] <georgelappies> the reactors just needs to be maintained
[14:46] <inetpro> georgelappies: only a matter of time
[14:46] <georgelappies> other sources, especially solar in SA is an option for the *rich*
[14:47] <inetpro> only a matter of time until we get to extract energy from the sun more effeciently
[14:47] <georgelappies> yeah have plenty of nuclear waste disposal sites in old mined out deep level gold mines
[14:48] <inetpro> efficiently as well
[14:49] <georgelappies> inetpro, the problem is that you cannot install a device in a living area (squatter camp) where the cost of the solar device is 10 times the value of everything in a 2km radius of it
[14:50] <georgelappies> we (people who can make plans to get of the grid by solar, generators etc) are not the majority who require electricity
[14:50] <inetpro> good point
[14:51] <georgelappies> major users of electricity is first and foremost industry
[14:51] <georgelappies> smelting ovens and other big factories use an order of magnitude more electricity than the suburbs
[14:52] <inetpro> the answer really lies in private sector feeding into the grid
[14:52] <georgelappies> here were I live, Secunda. The Sasol plant has two power stations 1.5km from each other, owned and operated by Sasol just to provide steam and electricity for the rest of units in the factory
[14:53] <georgelappies> exactly, it needs to de monopolized 
[14:54] <inetpro> I just wish the polution factor could be addressed as soon as possible
[14:54] <georgelappies> problem is that the government owns Eskom and stand to loose to much if Eskom is ever listed on the JSE
[14:55] <georgelappies> yeah, pollution is a big problem, especially for fossil fuel plants
[14:56] <georgelappies> nuclear if maintained properly is actually the *cleanest* 
[14:56] <georgelappies> only thing is if nuclear f's out, it f's big time, like Chernobyl and that site in Japan
[14:57] <Kilos> yip you need skilled peeps to run nuke plants
[14:58] <inetpro> oh and we need so many more customer service-oriented people
[15:00] <georgelappies> check this link for efficiency of nuclear fuel: https://www.euronuclear.org/info/encyclopedia/f/fuelcomparison.htm
[15:01] <Kilos> nuke power is the answer
[15:01] <georgelappies> currently we (SA) produce 18% of the total Uranium consumed in the world annually: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uranium_in_Africa
[15:01] <Kilos> koeberg has been running fine for many years
[15:02] <georgelappies> it is a by product of our deep level mining as the gold ore contains Uranium and Plutonium
[15:03] <georgelappies> so, we have enough of the stuff to power SA for thousands of years into future
[15:04] <Kilos> yeah well if they keep on planning we could have 6 nuke plants going by 2050
[15:04] <Kilos> but i wont see that
[15:05] <inetpro> how long does it take to build a plant?
[15:05] <Kilos> i think 5 years
[15:06] <inetpro> quicker to do it in minetest :-)
[15:06] <Kilos> every thing must be done according to the book, no cutting corners by cutting on cement or so
[15:07] <Kilos> yeah but that took a while too to get to that stage
[15:09] <georgelappies> building (site work, excluding the front engineering) in a first world country is about 5-7 years. We will probably by existing IP from China so there will be no front end engineering required, however building it here will be more like 8-10 years unless the Chinese build it
[15:16] <inetpro> Kilos: @CityTshwane Stage 1 #LoadShedding to be implemented from 17:00 scheduled groups are: 11, 15, 9, 10 & 16
[15:17] <Kilos> oh my
[15:18] <Kilos> so if im in one of those groups it can happen anytime between now and 10 pm
[15:19] <Kilos> thnks inetpro  
[15:23] <Kilos> hopefully this week i get to go buy a soldering iron in sandton
[15:24] <Kilos> then i can repair an asrock h61m-vs3 motherboard
[15:48] <inetpro> uh!
[15:49] <inetpro> magespawn's gridwatch is lekker confused
[15:50] <Kilos> what gridwatch
[15:50] <inetpro> sending me alerts of loadshedding beeing suspended only to tell me the next moment that it's been implemented on stage 1 again
[15:50] <inetpro> Kilos: android loadshedding app
[15:50] <Kilos> ai!
[15:50] <inetpro> from news24
[15:51] <Kilos> i see this http://www.tshwane.gov.za/sites/Departments/Public-works-and-infrastructure/Pages/Load-Shedding.aspx
[15:51] <Kilos> does that show only area 15 and 16 will be shed tonight
[15:53] <inetpro> Kilos: look at the table for stage 1
[15:53] <inetpro> and focus on the last column (Sun 2 & 4)
[15:54] <inetpro> today is the 2nd Sunday of the month
[15:55] <inetpro> in other words according to that, it should just be areas 15, 9 and 11
[15:55] <Kilos> i see this http://pasteboard.co/1dEIdwMI.png
[15:56] <inetpro> yikes!
[15:57] <Kilos> terrible
[15:57] <Kilos> thats part of why i can never find it
[15:58] <inetpro> yep, they really need to learn to put stuff in proper HTML rather relying on proprietary technologies
[15:59] <inetpro> still you should be able to read that
[15:59] <Kilos> i can but is where shedding is there where the red arrow is
[15:59] <inetpro> no, that has nothing to do with it
[15:59] <Kilos> oh my
[16:00] <inetpro> that is pointing to the scrollbar
[16:00] <Kilos> eish
[16:00] <inetpro> not supposed to be inside the table
[16:00] <Kilos> but then the 2nd sunday is only area 16 right?
[16:01] <inetpro> oom Kilos. look at the tme as well on the left
[16:01] <inetpro> time*
[16:02] <Kilos> oh so 9 and 11 still to be shed tonight
[16:02] <inetpro> yebo yes
[16:03] <Kilos> ty inetpro  now just to find what area
[16:03] <inetpro> \o/ 
[16:03] <inetpro> nou verstaan hy 
[16:03] <Kilos> ja dankie man
[16:03] <inetpro> :-)
[16:04] <inetpro> and if it's stage two you look at the next table
[16:04] <Kilos> ya that can work if i know what area they class this as
[16:04] <inetpro> and when it is Monday you look in the Mon column :-)
[16:05] <Kilos> got that ty
[16:10] <inetpro> Kilos: maybe you should tweet @CityTshwane and attach that table of yours so they can be aware of the poorly formatted page on your browser
[16:10] <Kilos> lol
[16:10] <inetpro> attach that image of yours*
[16:10] <Kilos> who gets to fix things
[16:11] <inetpro> if nobody tells them they may not get to know it
[16:13] <Kilos> must i say please fix it
[16:13] <inetpro> just got yet another notice from gridwatch, "Eskom has suspended load shedding" only to be followed by, "ALERT! Eskom has started Stage 1 load shedding"
[16:13] <inetpro> ai!
[16:14] <Kilos> ai!
[16:15] <Kilos> i closed all the tswane stuff now, those changing pics waste data
[16:17] <MaNI> damn missed half the power plant talk thanks to eskom :p
[16:18] <Kilos> aw
[16:28] <inetpro> Kilos: I see you tweeted
[16:29] <Kilos> haha
[16:29] <inetpro> Kilos: only problem is, they will never know it
[16:29] <Kilos> why?
[16:29] <inetpro> you should include @CityTshwane in your tweet
[16:29] <Kilos> ai!
[16:30] <Kilos> ill tweet again from their site
[16:31] <Kilos> eish no copy paste there
[16:32] <Kilos> ha
[16:32] <Kilos> ctrl+v works
[16:33] <Kilos> inetpro  do you see that one?
[16:35] <inetpro> Kilos: much better thanks
[16:36] <Kilos> yw
[16:37] <Kilos> will they get you to fix it?
[16:40] <Kilos> wow fly is becoming quite a chef
[16:42] <Kilos> hi Cryterion  
[16:42] <Kilos> ai!
[16:42] <Kilos> wb Cryterion  
[16:42] <Kilos> what are you breaking
[16:45] <Kilos> oi
[16:45] <Cryterion--> hmm. hi. tks
[16:54] <inetpro> ai!
[17:13] <Kilos> inetpro  @sharpeys thank you for bringing that to our attention we will get it fixed.
[17:14] <inetpro> Kilos: you see, it works
[17:14] <Kilos> ya
[17:15]  * inetpro has noticed city of johburg also being very active on twitter
[17:16] <Kilos> eish and i dont like twitter at all
[17:18] <inetpro> @CityofJoburgZA has 99.7K followers
[17:19] <Kilos> wow
[17:24] <inetpro> you don't get to those kind of numbers without a bit of effort
[17:25] <Kilos> i dont like the numbers, i try to keep mine down
[17:25] <Kilos> most peeps brag with all their followers
[17:25] <Kilos> drives me nuts
[17:25] <inetpro> haha, you really don't need those numbers :-)
[17:41]  * superfly is already in bed
[17:41] <Kilos> keep warm superfly  you sick?
[17:41] <superfly> Kilos: just tired. been a long weekend
[17:41] <Kilos> then have a good rest
[17:54] <inetpro> ai!
[17:54] <Kilos> wat
[17:55] <inetpro> eskom loadshedding site is broken http://loadshedding.eskom.co.za/
[17:55] <Kilos> lol
[17:58] <inetpro> wb smile
[18:00] <smile> hi! :D
[18:06] <smile> inetpro: honeymoon in trinidad
[18:06] <smile> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rTyj0d_XZO8
[18:06] <smile> it's a ridiculous music video
[18:06] <smile> :D
[18:10] <smile> Cryterion: hi! :D
[18:16] <Cryterion> Hi
[18:26] <Kilos> inetpro  you here?
[18:26] <Kilos> we still got power
[18:28] <inetpro> Kilos: yes 
[18:29] <inetpro> at least I think I am still here 
[18:30] <Kilos> lol
[18:30] <Kilos> so im not section 15 or 9
[18:31] <inetpro> time will tell 
[18:32] <Kilos> they must get it right or ill tweet them sick
[18:36] <Kilos> there is a remix for schools and colleges called malinux
[18:36] <Kilos> http://phillw.net/isos/bento-ubuntu-remix/
[18:36] <Kilos> dont know if our schools could use it
[18:36] <Kilos> 2.7g iso
[18:42] <georgelappies> night all
[19:31] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[19:31] <Kilos> sleep warm
[19:31] <inetpro> hmm... 
[19:31] <Kilos> what
[19:31] <inetpro> good night oom Kilos 
[19:32] <Kilos> night my pro
[21:07] <smile> Slaapwel
[22:50] <magespawn> good evening
[22:50] <magespawn> hallo