[05:19] <pitti> Good morning
[06:22] <didrocks> good morning
[06:25] <pitti> hey didrocks
[06:27] <didrocks> hey pitti
[08:05] <Laney> hey hey HEY!
[08:05] <pitti> hey Laney, how are you?
[08:05] <Laney> hey pitti, doing good thanks
[08:06] <Laney> I've been hacking an invading vine back this morning
[08:06] <Laney> you?
[08:06] <didrocks> morning Laney!
[08:07] <seb128> good morning desktopers
[08:07] <pitti> Laney: heh -- I regularly do this with ivy
[08:07] <pitti> quite well indeed, had a nice weekend with lots of sun, BBQ with 9 guests, table tennis, etc
[08:07] <pitti> I didn't look at my computer at all
[08:07] <didrocks> re seb128
[08:07] <pitti> ça va seb128 !
[08:08] <seb128> pitti, bien ! et toi ?
[08:08] <seb128> quite a good w.e here, tried padel tennis on saturday, that's fun
[08:09] <seb128> we also had people over for coffee and some others for dinner yesterday
[08:09] <seb128> did a bbq as well ;-)
[08:09] <pitti> summer rocks!
[08:09] <seb128> yeah
[08:09] <pitti> err -- l'été est grand !
[08:10] <Laney> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fallopia_baldschuanica I think it is is this
[08:10] <Laney> it comes over from the place behind
[08:10] <Laney> hey didrocks & seb128
[08:10] <seb128> hey Laney
[11:44] <Sweet5hark> larsu, desrt, seb128, other gnome hackers: this might possibly be interesting somewhat of interest to you wrt native gtk3 rendering libreoffice stuff: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/GSoC-Integrating-LO-with-GNOME-WR-3-td4151574.html
[11:45] <Sweet5hark> (or something to hint other gnome guys at, that might find it interesting)
[11:45] <seb128> Sweet5hark, nice
[11:47] <seb128> Sweet5hark, do you know what integration with gnome-documents it's refering to?
[11:48] <larsu> Sweet5hark: yeah I read about this some time back. Nice that it is happening!
[11:48] <seb128> oh, a larsu
[11:48] <seb128> larsu, hey ;-)
[11:48] <larsu> hi seb128 :)
[11:49] <Laney> hola amigo
[11:49] <Sweet5hark> seb128: abstract of the GSOC "Today, GNOME Documents spawns LibreOffice via a rather unreliable  unoconv command-line that converts documents to PDF. It is not only  unreliable but also the results are not good, for example, spreadsheet  rendering results are quite bad.   With this project, we would be improving the existing libreofficekit  based gtk tiled renderer, which would, then, be a very good replacement  of the unreliable unoco
[11:50] <Sweet5hark> As GSOCs go, I didnt want to make too much noise about that too early, but the student seems to make good progress.
[11:51] <desrt> so it's a gtk-based library for rendering libreoffice docs?
[11:51] <seb128> Sweet5hark, k
[11:51] <desrt> sounds pretty cool :)
[11:53] <Sweet5hark> desrt: libreofficekit is a general API for rendering a part/a view of anything libreoffice can read. This GSOC is glueing that to gnome documents.
[11:56] <desrt> in any case, good morning, all
[11:56] <desrt> ottawa was lovely
[11:57] <seb128> hey desrt
[11:57] <desrt> i was oddly popular
[11:57] <didrocks> good morning desrt
[11:59] <desrt> hi seb and didrocks :)
[12:01] <larsu> hi desrt
[12:01] <larsu> what's canadian pizza?
[12:01] <desrt> usually that's just a set of toppings, like 'hawaiian' or so
[12:01] <desrt> usually involves pepperoni, green peppers and mushrooms
[12:02] <larsu> weird. We walked by a place yesterday that purports to sell canadian pizza
[12:02] <larsu> should have looked at their menu
[12:02] <desrt> huh
[12:02] <desrt> didn't know that it was a "thing"
[12:02] <larsu> me neither
[12:02] <desrt> maybe they just make it in a style that's very similar to what you'd find here
[12:02] <desrt> like a pizza pizza copy or something
[12:03] <larsu> this is their website: http://ron-telesky.de/
[12:03] <desrt> (which is probably the most distinctly canadian pizza company around... most of the others are either american chains, or very clearly copying one american style or another)
[12:03] <desrt> oh.  of course.
[12:04] <desrt> canadian pizza is pizza eaten while looking at a large picture of a caribou
[12:04] <larsu> https://goo.gl/maps/zW9ll
[12:04] <larsu> also drank a sam adams. in berlin. can you imagine?!?
[12:04] <desrt> cool :)
[12:04] <larsu> (faina had a moosehead and disliked)
[12:04] <desrt> little bit of north american love going on over there
[12:05] <desrt> that's too bad
[12:05] <desrt> moosehead is best to drink outdoors on hot summers days
[12:05] <larsu> I don't like it either
[12:05] <larsu> but she compared it to carlsberg
[12:05] <desrt> it doesn't really work in other contexts
[12:05] <larsu> which on her scale might as well have compare it to ... you know ... stale water
[12:05] <desrt> ouch
[12:06] <larsu> *compared
[12:06] <desrt> it's not my favourite, by any means, but i believe it has a place, and in the correct place i gladly accept it if offered.  i've even purchased it before.
[12:06] <larsu> "even" lol
[12:07]  * Sweet5hark just kicked off a libreoffice-4.4.4~rc2 build.
[12:07] <desrt> well, after such a description it feels like the sort of admission that may cause you two to think less of me :)
[12:07] <desrt> answer me: what time of day was it when you drank this, and were you outside, and what was the temperature?
[12:08] <larsu> desrt: don't worry about that. We don't judge people by their taste in beer
[12:08] <larsu> or anything, for that matter
[12:08] <larsu> desrt: 4:30pm, yes, warm
[12:08] <desrt> well then you don't understand canadian pizza
[12:08] <larsu> HAHA
[12:08] <desrt> an important cultural aspect is to make fun of the "dirty water" americans drink and call it beer :)
[12:09] <larsu> well, she's never had to endure that kind of beer
[12:09] <desrt> i mean, if it wasn't for piss-quality american beer to talk about, i'm not sure canada would have a culture at all
[12:09] <larsu> you could apologize for even more things
[12:10] <desrt> this meme is starting to get slightly annoying
[12:11] <desrt> mostly because it's newish
[12:11] <desrt> and it's suddenly everywhere
[12:11] <larsu> sorry
[12:11] <desrt> perfect.  absolutely perfect.
[12:11] <larsu> ;)
[12:11] <larsu> it's not that new. It was strong when I was in Toronto, tooo
[12:11] <desrt> ya... it's like a past-5-years sort of thing
[12:12] <desrt> so it's at the phase where newspapers are printing articles about it
[12:12] <larsu> that's a couple of centuries in internet-time
[12:12] <desrt> newspapers.  they have to go out and kill a tree before they can print stuff.  give them a chance.  :)
[12:12] <larsu> heh
[12:57] <ochosi> Sweet5hark: ping
[13:54] <dgadomski> hey seb128, one thing still wonders me about the gvfs-related issue we talked about the other day
[13:54] <seb128> hey dgadomski
[13:55] <dgadomski> seb128: if a user mounts a samba share via nautilus I can see it only available at /run/user/<uid>/gvfs, should I expect it also be visible in /etc/mtab somehow?
[14:00] <seb128> dgadomski, I don't know how fuse works and if mtab reflects fuse mounts, maybe pitti can help you
[14:02] <dgadomski> seb128: thanks, I'll try to find out more about it, hopefully pitti will have a minute to discuss this
[14:02] <seb128> you have a mtab entry for  /run/user/<uid>/gvfs it seems
[14:02] <Sweet5hark> ochosi: pong
[14:03] <seb128> dgadomski, it doesn't seem to have lines for specific mounts, I guess it's under the gvfs entry
[14:03] <dgadomski> seb128: that's right, but not for individual shares mounted -- there's just one gvfsd-fuse filesystem mounted incorporating all filesystems mounted e.g. with nautlius
[14:03] <seb128> right
[14:07] <seb128> dobey, mvo, could you merge https://code.launchpad.net/~seb128/software-center/gtk-has-icon and https://code.launchpad.net/~seb128/software-center/gtkgrid-deprecated-nrow for me? I uploaded to wily but I don't have commit rights to the vcs to push the changes there
[14:08] <mvo> seb128: the icon fix looks SRU worthy even, wdyt?
[14:08] <seb128> mvo, I did a SRU with the 2 changes
[14:08] <mvo> seb128: \o/
[14:08] <seb128> the review fix was worth a SRU as well I think ;-)
[14:09] <mvo> seb128: indeed
[14:09] <dobey> seb128: i'll deal with it
[14:09] <seb128> dobey, mvo, thanks
[14:09] <mvo> aiui there is tarmac runnig and merging the s-c branches, probably needs two votes instead of one?
[14:10] <dobey> mvo: no, i think the tarmac is not running any more. i'm going to just get the branches set up to land via ci train instead
[14:10] <mvo> aha, ok
[14:10] <dobey> as soon as i finish with the current thing i'm working on
[14:35] <Laney> greyback_: yo, do you know if anyone is working on https://code.launchpad.net/~mir-team/platform-api/delete-deprecations/+merge/254170 atm? seems stalled
[14:35]  * Laney is working on gstreamer and it is blocked on bug #1458681 but can't fix platform-api due to ftbfs
[14:36] <greyback_> Laney: I know of nobody working on that. platform-api only touched by people who need something from it :)
[14:36]  * Laney just needs it to not be broken :P
[14:36] <greyback_> I'm surprised it is broken
[14:37] <greyback_> platform-api is failing to build right now?
[14:37]  * greyback_ tries
[14:37] <Laney> some MirEvent thing has gone away
[14:37] <greyback_> Laney: wily or vivid+overlay?
[14:37] <Laney> wily
[14:38] <greyback_> ok
[14:39] <Laney> I didn't check that MP fixes it but the description/commit message sounded good :)
[14:42] <greyback_> Laney: it fails on vivid+overlay too. how the heck did mir land breaking it?
[14:42] <Laney> I doubt anyone tests building reverse-build-deps
[14:43] <Laney> but this wasn't an ABI break requiring rebuild?
[14:43] <greyback_> I would have expected it to be
[14:44] <Laney> I don't see platform-api in the ppa
[14:55] <greyback_> Laney: ok that delete-deprecations branch builds on vivid+overlay, but fails on wily. I'll investigate why & get back to you
[14:55] <Laney> greyback_: thanks!
[15:22] <seb128> bah, long story short, I don't have my gpg/ssh key working with me, any change somebody could commit/upload http://paste.ubuntu.com/11719947/ (lp:~ubuntu-core-dev/ubuntu-seeds/ubuntu-touch.wily) for me :-/
[15:22] <seb128> chance*
[15:23] <seb128> I would like to see that published/online for the next cdimage build
[15:24] <seb128> didrocks, Laney? ^ anyone wanting a beer added to their tap for that? ;-)
[15:24] <Laney> tab
[15:24] <Laney> and ok, can you give a commit message too?
[15:24] <seb128> hum
[15:24] <larsu> beer?
[15:25] <seb128> Laney, "install the needed grub packages on the snappy personnal images"
[15:25] <Laney> thx
[15:25] <seb128> thank *you*!
[15:27]  * Laney wonders how seb128 ended up without his keys ;-)
[15:28] <larsu> it's a long story...
[15:28] <seb128> I'm on my touch inspiron config
[15:28] <Laney> it involves going for a lunchtime wine
[15:28] <seb128> but I lended the laptop to a friend over the w.e so I did clean out some sensitive things from it
[15:28] <Laney> and falling in a canal ...
[15:28] <seb128> lol
[15:29] <seb128> and I forgot I had them cleaned out :p
[15:29] <seb128> didn't restore that
[15:29] <didrocks> ah, Laney saw beer and beated me to it!
[15:29] <seb128> you drink-o-olics!
[15:29] <didrocks> well, seems Laney is even more than I :)
[15:29] <didrocks> *breaking news*
[15:29]  * larsu listens and sips from his tea
[15:30] <seb128> but for the record
[15:30] <seb128> http://design.canonical.com/wp-content/uploads/photo_2015-06-09_09-31-54.jpg
[15:30] <Laney> speaking of wine...
[15:30] <Laney> HAHA yes, I bet that is it
[15:30] <seb128> never had so many bottle of wine open next to me
[15:30] <didrocks> cool dude in the back!
[15:30] <seb128> didrocks is the master
[15:30] <seb128> you tasted them all right?
[15:30] <didrocks> yep!
[15:30] <seb128> ;-)
[15:30] <larsu> how many?
[15:30] <didrocks> we were 12 for the record
[15:30] <didrocks> 15 bottles IIRC
[15:31] <larsu> nie
[15:31] <larsu> *nice
[15:31] <didrocks> started at 6, finished at 3am
[15:31] <Laney> those guys get good sprints
[15:31] <seb128> srly?!
[15:31] <larsu> and then went out for a beer?
[15:31] <seb128> lol
[15:31] <didrocks> larsu: some did
[15:31]  * Laney had to catch fish in hyde park last time because they didn't feed me
[15:31]  * didrocks won't give names
[15:31] <larsu> didrocks: of course :)
[15:31] <larsu> Germans.
[15:31] <didrocks> Laney: ahah
[15:31] <didrocks> larsu: this involved a German indeed
[15:31] <larsu> haha
[15:31] <larsu> nice guess
[15:32] <didrocks> wasn't too risky :p
[15:32] <seb128> that's why you had the friday off right? ;-)
[15:32] <didrocks> ahah, even not! I was one of the first to get up on Thursday
[15:33] <didrocks> no hangover, what'soever
[15:33] <didrocks> because most of the bottles were good wines
[15:33] <seb128> ;-)
[15:33] <didrocks> some other were not bought by frenchies…
[15:33] <larsu> the one time in my life I had a really bad hangover was from red wine
[15:33] <larsu> pretty good one, too
[15:33] <larsu> just *a lot*
[15:34] <didrocks> larsu: most of the bottle's prices started at 20€
[15:34] <didrocks> range from 20-30 I guess
[15:35] <didrocks> oh, btw, in case the French governement sees this, as we are talking about alcohol: « L'alcool est dangereux pour la santé. À consommer avec modération. Pour plus d'information, consulter le site manger/bouger… »
[15:37] <larsu> didrocks: ya. The ones we had that night were in that range as well
[15:37] <larsu> this was on la palma. Fun times.
[15:38] <larsu> didrocks: I always consume in modération
[15:38] <Laney> didrocks: the C+W party at debconf is going to be fun ;-)
[15:38] <Laney> bring your best stuff!
[15:42] <didrocks> heh, yep!
[15:42] <didrocks> C can be "cheese" or "charcuterie" of course :)
[15:42] <Laney> cognac
[15:43] <larsu> cidre
[17:54] <dpm> hi seb128, still around?
[17:56] <seb128> dpm, hey, yes
[17:56] <dpm> hey
[17:56] <dpm> seb128, so after your e-mail, I decided to have a go at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Unity8inLXC to test it first-hand
[17:57] <dpm> seb128, I'm on vivid, and I got stuck at http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/11720763/ - do you have any pointers of what could have gone wrong?
[17:57] <seb128> dpm, oh, nice, I didn't try the lxc version yet, how is that working?
[17:57] <dpm> well ^ :)
[17:57] <seb128> bregma's team is working on that, maybe he or chris can help you
[17:58] <dpm> supposedly it works, as popey managed to get it running
[17:58] <dpm> but he's on wily IIRC
[17:58] <popey> yes, I am
[17:58] <dpm> ok, cool, will ask them then, thanks!
[17:58] <popey> what's not working?
[17:59] <dpm> hi bregma, while trying to get the unity8 session in an LXC container working on a vivid host, I got stuck at http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/11720763/ - do you have any pointers of what could have gone wrong?
[17:59] <dpm> popey, ^
[17:59] <bregma> dpm, you're gonna need ChrisTownsend to help figure that problem out, and he's on vacation until Wednesday
[17:59] <popey> did you do what it says?
[18:00] <dpm> argh
[18:00] <popey> --fix-missing :)
[18:00] <dpm> popey, not sure how to execute that on the container
[18:00] <popey> ah
[18:00] <popey> me either
[18:00] <dpm> ok, thanks bregma
[18:00] <dpm> will try to figure out how to do surgery in the container
[18:01] <bregma> the container is wily, I believe, so maybe there is a version mismatch between what it's getting anbd what it wants to install
[18:01] <dpm> yeah, it downloaded the wily iso at least
[18:02] <bregma> the scripts that adjust the container to use upstart are all Python, so it's got that going for it
[18:03] <bregma> I know a bunch of MPs fixing that whole upstart-version-thing just went in for that project, maybe Chris didn't update his PPA or something?
[18:05] <dpm> bregma, could you point me to the MPs? Happy to manually apply them if it's about just fixing the unity8-lxc-setup script
[18:06] <bregma> dpm, they're all in trunk http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~unity8-desktop-session-team/unity8-preview-lxc/trunk/changes/61?start_revid=61
[18:08] <dpm> thanks
[18:08] <dpm> seems there are no pending MPs, though
[18:08] <bregma> right, they all landed
[18:08]  * dpm checks PPA version
[18:10] <bregma> they all landed *in wily*, looks like the vivid version in the PPA is out of date
[18:10] <dpm> argh
[18:10] <dpm> I guess I can just manually install the wily version on vivid?
[18:10]  * dpm checks content of package
[18:10] <bregma> should be OK
[18:11] <bregma> I believe it's all scripts
[18:12] <dpm> it seems so, yes
[18:12]  * dpm tries
[18:14] <dpm> it installed at least
[18:14] <dpm> now let see if it runs
[18:16] <dpm> finished without errors
[18:16] <dpm> now let's try to log in ;)
[18:16]  * bregma quivers with anticip
[18:16] <bregma> ation
[18:29] <dpm> bregma, it kind of worked. When I logged into the unity8 session, I ended up with a black screen and a working mouse cursor. Any ideas how to debug this?
[18:30] <bregma> dpm, do you have Intel graphics?
[18:32] <dpm> bregma, yeah, with a dual monitor setup, if that makes a difference. FWIW both monitors were working, as in a "clone monitors" setup
[18:33] <bregma> not sure if Mir/Unity8 handles multimonitor yet:  it didn't used to
[18:33] <bregma> may have changed while I wasn't looking
[18:33] <dpm> I guess I can just turn one off or pull the cable
[18:42] <dpm> bregma, hm, with one monitor, it logs into the unity8 session and then throws me back to lightdm, where only the indicators are active (i.e. the session switcher does not react to clicks). Any ideas, or any log file that could help debugging?
[18:43] <bregma> dpm, is that the host lightdm or is it the Unity 8 greeter in the container?
[18:45] <dpm> bregma, not sure I can follow. So here's what I did, if that helps with the answer: 1) Reboot 2) Choose the unity8 session in lightdm 3) screen goes black for a bit 4) I'm being shown the same lightdm as 3), with working indicators and non-working switcher
[18:46] <dpm> actually, 2) should be "choose unity8 session, enter password and hit enter"
[18:47] <bregma> sounds like the hosts's lightdm being displayed, I'd start by checking /var/log/lightdm to see if there are any obvious errors reported
[18:47] <bregma> after that, I'm afraid you really need Chris
[18:48] <bregma> it sounds like the container is shutting down because the compositor has crashed, but I'm really just guessing now
[18:50] <dpm> I can't see anything obvious from the lightdm log: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/11721077/
[18:52] <dpm> bregma, but the compositor log does seem to show a crasher: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/11721087/
[18:53] <bregma> yep, a typical cryptic Mir error message
[18:54] <bregma> I windoer if that's the new problem where required dependencies are missing from Mir?
[18:56] <bregma> mmm, shouldn't be, that was worked around by preseeding the desktop-next ISO
[19:00] <dpm> not sure if that makes a difference, but after the failed attempt to run unity8-lxc-setup from the outdated PPA, I then ran 'unity8-lxc-setup --rebuild-all', as I thought that was the logical step given that the ISO had already been downloaded
[19:01] <bregma> well, I know you can build from an already-downloaded ISO, so that should be OK
[19:01] <bregma> some of use have expensive bandwidth and made that an early requirement
[19:04] <dpm> yeah, it was quite neat not to have to re-download
[19:04] <bregma> Mir guys think maybe the LXC container is missing /dev/shm ... in which case there's yet another new change we'll need to work around
[19:06] <dpm> is there anything I can do to work around it manually if that's the issue?
[19:12] <bregma> dpm, you could try manually bindmounting /dev/shm, but I'm getting out of my depth at this point.
[19:13] <bregma> if that works, it's definitely time to open a bug against unity8-preview-lxc
[19:13] <dpm> bregma, and mine too. Manually starting the LXC container from the host session and using lxc-console seems to show that /dev/shm is there at least
[19:15] <bregma> maybe it's apparmor?
[19:15] <sarnold> dmesg | grep DEN or grep DEN /var/log/syslog
[19:15] <dpm> oh, actually this is the bug: I'm experiencing: https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity8-preview-lxc/+bug/1437900
[19:17] <sarnold> the "anonymous file" mentioned in the one log reminds me strongly of this: http://man7.org/linux/man-pages/man2/memfd_create.2.html
[19:17] <sarnold> .. fo rwhich functionality was added to the linux kernel in 3.17. a strace might fnid out what's going on..
[19:21] <bregma> well, it would be a little disappointing if Mir now requires Linux 4.0 or later, but not entirely unsurprising
[19:22] <ogra_> bregma, cant happen
[19:22] <ogra_> the phones are on 3.4 and the like :)
[19:29] <dpm> bregma, so in case that helps, I manually started the LXC container (it wasn't running before, which seems it failed to autostart) and that seemed to fix the unresponsive lightdm screen. But now I'm back to a black screen with cursor
[19:52] <bunty> hiii