[00:01] <shauno> the unladen european diddledan?
[00:01] <daftykins> :D
[00:03] <shauno> I should be in bed, but my butt and the couch are getting on so well, it seems like a shame to split them up
[00:05] <shauno> I was out on that bloody contaption again.  it doesn't seem to be working, I'm still fat
[00:05] <daftykins> :)
[00:06] <daftykins> annoying not getting instant results isn't it :/
[00:06] <daftykins> tell you what though, post hospital i could do maybe 5 pushups, now i can hit 19 or 20 back to back
[00:06] <shauno> yeah.  I think I need a faster processor
[00:06] <daftykins> collapse immediately after though :D
[00:07] <shauno> I had a really silly planning error today though
[00:07] <shauno> I cycled until I hurt.  and then turned around and cycled home again :/
[00:07] <daftykins> hehehe
[00:08] <shauno> I honestly thought I was cleverer than that
[00:09] <daftykins> well at least you can say you fought through the pain!
[00:10] <shauno> it was more of a whine than a fight :/
[00:11] <daftykins> a whimper!
[03:34] <mapps> hi all:)
[03:39] <zmoylan-pi> o/
[04:41] <mapps> hmmm
[04:41] <mapps> sundays are good
[04:41] <mapps> silicon valley and american odysey
[07:06] <MooDoo> hello all
[07:06] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[07:08] <MooDoo> how are you brobostigon ?
[07:09] <brobostigon> not too bad, all loved up, and you?
[07:11]  * brobostigon is back together with his ex fiance.
[07:15] <bujji> my load avg for 15m is 10.44 what should i do
[07:16] <bujji> intrbiz:hello
[07:16] <popey> bujji: why is that a problem?
[07:17] <bujji> i dont know..no zombie
[07:18] <popey> no, I'm asking why you're concerned about it
[07:19] <bujji> load avg is greater 4 and all
[07:19] <popey> so the box was busy.
[07:19] <popey> what's the 1m and 5m load average?
[07:20] <popey> maybe you had a cron job running on the hour which has now finished.
[07:20] <bujji> 3.45 5.34 8.34
[07:20] <popey> so it's something that's passed then
[07:22] <bujji> how can i  identify?
[07:23] <popey> well, those processes have now ended or calmed down
[07:23] <popey> It's not necessarily a problem.
[07:23] <bujji> does cronjob will take heavy load on the syatem.
[07:23] <popey> Depends what your cron jobs do
[07:25] <bujji> before that ,i did set cronjob for every minute delete text files in specified location.
[07:25] <SuperMatt> load can be so many things
[07:25] <SuperMatt> is there high io on the box?
[07:26] <popey> it was high ~15 minutes ago, things may have changed since then
[07:28] <bujji> SuperMatt:few can you list?
[07:28] <popey> leave "vmstat 5" running
[07:28] <popey> look at the "wa" column
[07:29] <popey> https://www.linode.com/docs/uptime/monitoring/use-vmstat-to-monitor-system-performance
[07:31] <bujji> popey:for every 5 seconds virtual memory status
[07:33] <popey> yup
[07:33] <popey> top and vmstat are useful for identifying problems when a machine is busy
[07:35] <SuperMatt> if top is taking a long time to load though, just reboot ;)
[07:35] <SuperMatt> also, iotop is quite good
[07:35] <bujji> if which value increasing  the sytem get problem
[07:36] <popey> eh?
[07:36] <directhex> one of the things that contributes to a high load average is "iowait", i.e. the cpu not doing anything because it's waiting on slow disk activity.
[07:37] <directhex> if "iostat" shows a high iowait percentage, then that's the issue - basically only fixable by replacing spinning rust with SSDs
[07:39] <popey> or moving work
[07:39] <bujji> directhex:how can i observe these tings in vmstat and make it things normal
[07:39] <bujji> things*
[07:40] <directhex> second to last column, iirc?
[07:40] <SuperMatt> also, type "free -m". If the swap usage is anything above 0, you're simply using too much memory
[07:40] <directhex> yes, the "wa" column, second to last, is iowait.
[07:40] <directhex> and SuperMatt isn't wrong, you really don't want to be using swap
[07:41] <SuperMatt> I have to tell our cloud customers off all the time for hitting swap
[07:42] <bujji> wa 0
[07:42] <knightwise> morning everyone
[07:42] <SuperMatt> I'm going to be very pedantic here, and employ an old techie staple:
[07:42] <SuperMatt> Have you tried turning it off an on again?
[07:43] <brobostigon> morning knightwise
[07:43] <SuperMatt> if the problem persists, you have a hardware issue, if it goes then it's all software
[07:43] <bujji> SuperMatt:me  on/off
[07:44] <bujji> SuperMatt:okey
[07:45] <bujji> SuperMatt:how can i delete specific job in crontab -l
[07:45] <SuperMatt> of course, if it's a production server, you may not wish to reboot
[07:45] <SuperMatt> run crontab -e and put a # at the start of the line
[07:46] <bujji> SuperMatt:that means its a comment right..if i want to remove that one
[07:46] <SuperMatt> yes, just comment it out - at least that means you won't lose it forever
[07:47] <bujji> sed will work for that?
[07:48] <bujji> beacuse i dont find any option for removing specific line.
[07:50] <bujji> SuperMatt:i may not wish to reboot,what all the thins i need to do apart from reboot.
[07:51] <SuperMatt> wait, you're using cron -e and you're struggling?
[07:52] <SuperMatt> https://www.rackspace.com/knowledge_center/article/multi-user-task-scheduling-with-crontab
[07:52] <SuperMatt> you run crontab -e, and then it will load the editor of your choice (nano, by default), and then you put a # at the start of the line
[07:53] <SuperMatt> bujji: what is your first language, out of interest?
[07:56] <davmor2> Morning all
[07:59] <brobostigon> morning davmor2
[08:00] <bujji> SuperMatt:regional here
[08:02] <bujji> SuperMatt:nice at atq,i got
[08:03] <bujji> SuperMatt:hindi language
[08:10] <davmor2> http://speedof.me/show.php?img=150614180933-86825.png not too bad :)
[08:11] <TheGeek> mornin
[08:12]  * Laney swears
[08:13] <Laney> can't get my mortgage calculator spreadsheet to give the same numbers that I get on the statement
[08:13] <SuperMatt> the answer is "more than it really should be"
[08:14] <Laney> it's like £4 out
[08:14] <Laney> but over 24 years 5 months that will probably amount to a big difference :P
[08:15] <bujji> SuperMatt:bye
[08:15] <bujji> bye
[09:02] <baas_> how to make one service as system start up(on reboot) using script....like  (service httpd start)
[09:05] <popey> baas_: what version of ubuntu?
[09:05] <baas_> :14
[09:06] <popey> thats not a version number I recognise
[09:07] <zmoylan-pi> it was released in smarch? :-P
[09:07] <popey> Septober I think.
[09:07] <baas_> 13.04
[09:07] <popey> I remember a Viz calendar had an extra month
[09:07] <davmor2> Laney: are you taking a yearly amount dividing it by 365 and timesing it by the number of days in the month or are you taking the yearly amount and diving it by 12?  as there are closer to 13 months in 4 weekly payments
[09:07] <popey> baas_: 13.04 is no longer supported
[09:08] <Laney> davmor2: I'm trying to compound the interest daily
[09:08] <Laney> I have the balance on two dates and I'm trying to come up with a calculation that makes the second number match up
[09:08] <baas_> give me any idea to doing that one.
[09:09] <foobarry> are you including leap days
[09:09] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Monday, and happy Nature Photography Day! 😃
[09:09] <davmor2> Laney: then you would need to know how the bank round up?  ie does 12.32 become 12.32, 12.33, 12, 12.40 or 12.35 etc
[09:09] <davmor2> that could be the difference
[09:09] <Laney> don't know!
[09:10] <popey> baas_: http://askubuntu.com/questions/9382/how-can-i-configure-a-service-to-run-at-startup
[09:10] <shauno> perhaps your bank are lying.
[09:10] <popey> NO WAI!
[09:11] <shauno> only half-kidding .. I think if I couldn't figure out how to make my numbers match theirs, I'd ask them
[09:11] <knightwise> nature photography day : Is that "public snapchat" day ?
[09:11] <Laney> It might be that I don't know exactly when the payments are applied
[09:11] <davmor2> shauno: you are confusing banks with layers, Banks will always try to rip you off, but only marginally, Lawyers will try to rip your arm off and beat you with the soggy end and then charge you for the privilege
[09:12] <Laney> so I have to calculate interest up to some mid point and then subtract the payment, then calculate it for the rest
[09:12] <davmor2> theres a w in there too
[09:12] <JamesTait> knightwise, it's every day for me, pretty much. 😉
[09:12] <Laney> I made an overpayment on the 1st but didn't get a letter until the 11th
[09:12] <shauno> hm.  my bank do all of that but beat me with the soggy end.  I think they've figured out that the more I forget they exist, the more they can get away with
[09:12] <Laney> who knows when it actually got applied to the account
[09:13] <davmor2> Laney: check your statement
[09:14] <Laney> this is all the info I have
[09:14] <Laney> they have no online system either :(
[09:16] <foobarry> i think my mortgage accoutn is in credit
[09:16] <foobarry> not sure if i get interest
[09:16] <Laney> what does it mean for a mortgage to be in credit?
[09:16] <Laney> doesn't it just end?
[09:16] <foobarry> i overpayed a bit
[09:17] <foobarry> they kept the account open. i'm not sure. but i don't have to do anything with title deeds if the account is open
[09:17] <foobarry> and i could borrow aagainst my house easily without poening a new mortagage
[09:24] <baas_> foobarry: all is well
[09:28] <ne2k> I wanted to p2v a remote a server to logged into it and remounted the root filesystem readonly so that I could get a consistent image. Unfortunately, I got logged out and now cannot log in again. ssh takes my password and then just immediately closes the connection. is there any way I can recover this remotely or am I going to have to make a trip to the server?
[10:06] <baas_> ne2k:rsync
[10:06] <ne2k> baas_, how is this an answer to my question?
[10:07] <foobarry> doesn't soudn promising ne2k
[10:08] <MooDoo> ne2k: not a vm i'm gussing?
[10:08] <baas_> it syncroniize data of two folders
[10:08] <baas_> nfs?
[10:09] <MooDoo> baas_: he can't login to the box, what's nfs and rsync got to do with anything
[10:10] <baas_> does he have any key?
[10:13] <baas_> ne2k:execute a remote command what you want to do(it will execute and come out)
[10:13] <ne2k> baas_, it does not
[10:14] <baas_> you told that ssh takes my password?
[10:14] <shauno> have you tried ssh -vvvv to see what the last few things it complains about are?
[10:15] <ne2k> shauno, yes, it says "sending passowrd packet, waiting for reply" and then "connection closed"
[10:15] <baas_> ne2k:ssh <ip> <your task>
[10:16] <MooDoo> there isn't an exit command in your .bash_profile is there?
[10:16] <ne2k> baas_, ssh user@host, ssh user@host "echo blah", ssh -T user@host "echo blah" all have the same effects -- password is taken, then immediately connection is closed
[10:16] <MooDoo> ne2k: http://askubuntu.com/questions/349631/why-is-my-ssh-connection-dropping-immediately-after-i-enter-my-password
[10:17] <ne2k> MooDoo, I have read that, this is different. I don't get the MoTD
[10:17] <MooDoo> ah ok
[10:17] <baas_> ne2k:did you set any firewalls
[10:17] <ne2k> baas_, have you reboot the modem router?
[10:18] <shauno> yeah, if you don't get "Authentication succeeded (password)" after sending password packet, sending different commands isn't going to help
[10:19] <baas_> ne2k:no
[10:19] <shauno> you should get that, then channel new session, and then the command/shell become relevant
[10:20] <ne2k> baas_, you need to reboot teh modem router and then you can try again ok?
[10:20] <baas_> ne2k:okey))
[10:21] <shauno> I suspect it needs to write to /var or /tmp or something and you've ro'd a little more than you needed to
[10:23] <shauno> I'm not willing to try right now, since this box is in germany heh, but not being able to write to eg, /var/log/secure may be enough to confuse it
[10:23] <shauno> or wherever utmp goes these days
[10:27] <ne2k> righto, it's fubared, I'll need to power cycle. fairy nuff
[10:27] <diplo> I believe it's secure too
[10:41] <shauno> well, it's secure now ;)
[10:41] <shauno> quick, schedule audits while it's impossible to login
[11:15] <diddledan_> morning
[11:17] <shauno> wasn't me
[11:17] <diddledan_> something broke then?
[12:36] <knightwise> Yeeey ! XPS13 should arrive later on this week.
[12:36] <diddledan_> ooh
[12:36] <diddledan_> you finally succumbed?
[12:40] <Myrtti> http://www.uniqlo.com/uk/store/list/basic/femobile/uut/moomin
[12:41] <knightwise> diddledan_: i ded :) ordered it about a week ago.
[12:41] <knightwise> the HD version , I5
[12:41] <knightwise> not the QHD one
[12:41] <knightwise> no touchscreen
[12:43] <zmoylan-pi> that will keep the screen cleaner :-)
[12:44] <knightwise> zmoylan-pi: and i don't "realy" need it.
[12:45] <knightwise> Ubuntu and touch .. it aint quite there yet. and I for one am not willing to run into a bunch of terrible scaling issues from a bunch of legacy apps
[12:53] <knightwise> Currently using the surface pro 3 to take with me on meetings and stuff. The xps will make a great companion device
[12:54] <zmoylan-pi> i just use a phone with qwerty keyboard, currently a second hand symbian e5 i got for €50
[12:59] <diddledan_> zmoylan-pi: yeah, but you're still using VHS thinking it's God's Gift
[13:00] <zmoylan-pi> i do keep meaning to recycle my vhs and dvd players.  no tv since 2009 or so
[13:03] <zmoylan-pi> but it is a region free dvd player and i do have one dvd box set that is region 1... :-)
[13:15] <davmor2> Charley says meow meow meow..meow meow meow.
[13:16] <diddledan_> charlie bit me!
[13:16] <zmoylan-pi> reply for charley. *bark*
[13:19] <davmor2> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q5sCKCN6Uw4
[13:26] <diddledan_> davmor2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vrJjcCnd9O0
[13:27] <davmor2> diddledan_: you need help
[13:27] <diddledan_> :-p
[13:33] <davmor2> popey: admit it you want one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gs8Ze4g6wec
[16:53] <popey> directhex: you watching the e3 stream on youtube? is it pausing for you every so often?
[16:53] <directhex> yeah. really janky
[16:54] <popey> ok
[16:55] <daftykins> xbox event?
[16:55]  * daftykins is watching
[17:25] <popey> cuphead looks amazing
[17:26] <daftykins> does :>
[17:26] <daftykins> neat style
[17:35] <popey> yeah, really looks authentically old
[17:36] <popey> oooh
[17:36] <popey> the RARE bit
[17:37] <popey> knight lore!
[17:51] <popey> my son will love to see that minecraft demo
[17:53] <davmor2> popey: just start saying I know something you don't know until he cracks
[17:54] <daftykins> evil!
[17:54] <diddledan> what am I missing?
[17:56] <popey> youtube.com/e3
[17:56] <davmor2> daftykins: You have to train your kids that the real world sucks :)
[17:57] <davmor2> daftykins: the single role of parents is to prepare their kids for the eventual flight from the nest
[17:58] <davmor2> popey: more important have you got OTA4 yet?
[17:58] <diddledan> that look skeery
[17:58] <popey> no :(
[18:03] <popey> wonder how they're doing the 360 on xbone compatibility
[18:03] <popey> dynamic recompilation? full system emulation?
[18:05] <daftykins> that's what interests me
[18:05] <daftykins> a very moany friend was going on about "boo hoo why can't we play 360 titles" a while back and i tried to explain architecture differences, but hrmm
[18:05] <diddledan> cloud acceleration :-p
[18:06] <diddledan> OMGZOR FLUFFY CLOUDS!
[18:07] <popey> I wonder if it's cloud based
[18:07] <daftykins> well it said it'd support retail discs, so hrmm
[18:07] <popey> maybe just for checking license
[18:08] <popey> he did say it was only 100 or so games at launch
[18:08] <popey> and that there's zero effort, publishers just flip a switch
[18:08] <popey> which makes me think it's in the cloud and not local.
[18:08] <daftykins> time'll tell
[18:08] <daftykins> quite a lot of time to wait, too
[18:09] <popey> heh
[18:10] <daftykins> i wonder how big the Windows 10 base for the xbox one will be to download, too
[18:10] <daftykins> would rather a disc image download really :>
[18:13] <directhex> there was a list of ~100 for xbox original on 360 too
[18:13] <directhex> whitelist
[18:38] <brobostigon> has anyone got a nexus 4 with ubuntu touch, who can confirm something for me please.
[18:39] <popey> wassup?
[18:40] <popey> I don't have a nexus but I may know the answer anyway
[18:41] <brobostigon> with gps and network location on, things like the nearby and weather scopes and other location elements, arent picking up the correct location.
[18:42] <popey> even after pull-down refresh
[18:42] <popey> ?
[18:42] <brobostigon> yes.
[18:42] <sebsebsebb> hi from Sweden
[18:43] <davmor2> brobostigon: open the browser and goto maps.google.com what location does it give you?
[18:43] <brobostigon> one moment davmor2
[18:45] <brobostigon> davmor2: it says, maps could not determine your location.
[18:47] <davmor2> brobostigon: that'll be why, You obviously don't have here maps agps so you will need to get an initial fix at a guess, that can take up to 15 minutes
[18:47] <brobostigon> davmor2: so what do i do?
[18:50] <davmor2> brobostigon: go outside or prop it up at the window. Open terminal app and type "powerd-cli display on" then open a mapping app or leave google maps open and eventually it will get a gps fix
[18:51] <brobostigon> davmor2: ok, thank you.
[18:51] <davmor2> brobostigon: but keep the mapping app in the foreground till you get a fix
[18:52] <awilkins> Doesn't it have agps?
[18:52] <diddledan> random, but related, the here-maps thingy that ubuntu contracted a while back (agps et al) - is that from the nokia that microsoft did or didn't buy?
[18:52] <awilkins> That's usually a lot quicker than 15 minutes
[18:53] <davmor2> awilkins: the commercial phones do the nexus device don't
[18:53] <diddledan> i.e. which of the two nokias is the contract with
[18:53] <awilkins> davmor2, I thought the "assisted" part was in software?
[18:53] <brobostigon> davmor2: does it need to be ran as root?
[18:53] <davmor2> awilkins: it's the contract with here
[18:53] <awilkins> Ah
[18:54] <awilkins> Is it standard?
[18:54] <davmor2> brobostigon: maybe
[18:54] <awilkins> When I had an N900
[18:54] <brobostigon> davmor2: ok,
[18:54] <davmor2> brobostigon: it's been a while
[18:54] <awilkins> They killed the AGPS coordinate server for the N900
[18:54] <brobostigon> davmor2: ok, ty.
[18:54] <awilkins> But you could reconfigure it to the main Nokia one
[18:54] <diddledan> noone?
[18:55] <davmor2> diddledan: the bit not owned by MS
[18:55] <diddledan> aah
[18:55] <diddledan> the "real" nokia :-0p
[18:56] <diddledan> I believe ms are rebranding away from the nokia name per the agreement they signed when they bought the mobile business
[18:56] <diddledan> also I believe the "real" nokia are soon allowed to re-enter the mobile handset market
[18:56] <awilkins> Would something similar to this work on the Ubuntu phone ? http://www.littlegreenrobot.co.uk/hackerzone/make-your-phone-get-a-gps-lock-quicker/
[19:09] <ali1234> i doubt that works anywhere
[19:09] <ali1234> those instructions are stupid
[19:16] <popey> davmor2: showed sam the minecraft hololens video - he now wants a hololens :)
[19:17] <davmor2> popey: foolish mortal your soul is mine
[19:17] <popey> hah
[19:20] <brobostigon> davmor2: is powerd-cli meant to output anything?
[19:20] <davmor2> brobostigon: no it just keeps the screen active so you don't have to keep tapping it
[19:21] <brobostigon> davmor2: ah i see.
[19:22] <davmor2> brobostigon: if you don't the battery saving kicks in and turns off gps when the screen blanks and you have to start again from scratch, the same is true if the mapping app isn't in the foreground
[19:22] <brobostigon> davmor2: interesting, i see,
[19:25] <diddledan> turning off gps when the screen is blank sounds like a bug to me
[19:26] <diddledan> that's akin to turning off gsm because it's in your pocket
[19:26] <MartijnVdS> sounds like powersaving to me
[19:26] <davmor2> diddledan: if the screen is off you are not using gps right
[19:27] <MartijnVdS> davmor2: maybe you have the thing in your pocket, and are using audio-only walking navigation?
[19:27] <diddledan> davmor2: I want gps to retain accurate position information ready for my usage. I don't want to wait 15 minutes for a lock because I just turned off the screen 5 minutes ago
[19:29] <davmor2> diddledan: once you have an initial fix it is pretty quick, but it is designed for battery saving and agps which gets you an acurrate fix by the time the app is open on the whole
[19:30] <diddledan> davmor2: if it's turning off the gps system then I will lose the initial fix
[19:30] <davmor2> diddledan: it keeps the data it's just the hardware it turns off
[19:31] <diddledan> davmor2: and while the hardware's turned off I move 5 miles. now my fix is 5 miles out of date
[19:31] <davmor2> diddledan: the issue comes if you reboot then you have to start again
[19:31] <davmor2> diddledan: and? don't use a nexus device then
[19:32] <diddledan> so your answer to "it doesn't do this right" is "well don't bother then"
[19:33] <diddledan> or rather "don't try then#"
[19:33] <awilkins> I even have the screen off when I use GPS in the car sometimes
[19:33] <davmor2> diddledan: it does do it right, it just there is no agps that is not something we can do anything about
[19:34] <awilkins> Voice directions good enough, and the 3D rendering and backlight are enough to push the power consumption over what the charger can squeeze into it - so my battery actually discharges
[19:34] <diddledan> davmor2: my in-car gps navigation devices doesn't have agps and that manages fine
[19:34] <awilkins> Plus it gets really warm (Nexus 4 without the heat spreader mod)
[19:34] <awilkins> diddledan, Suspect the dedicated units have a much larger antenna tuned specifically for GPS
[19:36] <diddledan> awilkins: I think it's more likely that they don't randomly reset things
[19:37] <ali1234> why is there no a-gps?
[19:38] <davmor2> ali1234: there is on the commercial products, it's under contract with here maps
[19:39] <davmor2> diddledan: there difference is turn off hardware and have a battery that lasts days or leave it all on and have a battery that last 4-8 hours. we went with the former.
[19:39] <MartijnVdS> PWM it :P
[19:40] <ali1234> i thought a-gps was provided by the mobile network?
[19:41] <davmor2> ali1234: no,  google has its own, ms uses nokia and apple uses apple maps.
[19:42] <davmor2> ali1234: the agps providers know where the towers are
[19:43] <ali1234> knowing where the towers are isn't useful, that's not what a-gps is
[19:44] <davmor2> anyway I'm off enjoy your evenings
[19:44] <ali1234> a-gps is just a faster way to get the almanac without having to wait 12 minutes to receive it from the satellite
[19:46] <diddledan> TBH I don't get why the almanac needs to be downloaded every time myself
[19:46] <diddledan> I guess the satellites aren't truly static?
[19:46] <ali1234> because of satellite drift and ionosphere disturbances
[19:47] <ali1234> the satellites aren't even kind of static, they're not geosynchronous
[19:47] <diddledan> oh?
[19:47] <diddledan> I figured they were
[19:47]  * diddledan googles gps
[19:47] <ali1234> the almanic is like 30kb, but it takes ages to receive it from space
[19:51] <diddledan> gps-iiiA is being planned for service "from2016". hmm /me clicks wiki link
[19:54] <awilkins> Must be like downloading software via Ceefax adapter
[19:56] <awilkins> You'd think any old almanac would work though ; are there not open sources of it online?
[19:57] <awilkins> Or is the bit to download it just left out of that version of the software?
[19:57] <MartijnVdS> awilkins: old almanac data gets useless *fast*
[19:57] <MartijnVdS> as in, a few days
[19:58] <awilkins> Yeah, but is this data no good : http://www.navcen.uscg.gov/?pageName=gpsAlmanacs
[19:59] <MartijnVdS> awilkins: you'd need specs of the hardware to know how to tell it about that data
[19:59]  * awilkins grows at proprietary firmware
[19:59] <awilkins> *growls
[19:59] <MartijnVdS> grows, eh ;)
[20:00] <awilkins> I unequivocally state that I do not have a fetish for any GPS receiver
[20:00] <awilkins> (GLONASS on the other hand.... sweet sweet GLONASS)....
[20:00] <MartijnVdS> :P
[20:01] <MartijnVdS> what about Galileo?
[20:01] <awilkins> Are there actually any receivers that work on it yet?
[20:01] <MartijnVdS> nah they don't even have 1/3 of the network up
[20:02] <MartijnVdS> they're supposed to have enough for basic positioning soon though
[20:04] <MartijnVdS> http://download.esa.int/docs/Galileo_IOV_Launch/FOC_factsheet_20111003.pdf
[20:12] <Myrtti> And this my friends, is the reason I keep my passwords in Keepass2 instead of LastPass.
[20:12] <Myrtti> ho-hum
[20:19] <daftykins> Myrtti: what is? :)
[20:19] <shauno> ali1234: any advice on finding optical mice that'll work with the amiga?
[20:21] <popey> Myrtti: wool related game on http://youtube.com/e3 now!
[20:21] <Myrtti> daftykins: lastpass was hacked
[20:23] <daftykins> heh nice
[20:23] <daftykins> haven't looked at my news feeds today
[20:27] <ali1234> shauno: best bet is to by or build a ps/2 to busmouse converter
[20:28] <shauno> I've tried three different adaptors :/
[20:28] <shauno> mouse just doesn't light up at all
[20:29] <ali1234> optical mouse probably needs more power
[20:30] <shauno> hm.  I wonder if I can bust out the kynar without frying anything
[20:37] <diddledan> Myrtti: :-o
[20:37]  * diddledan googles
[20:44] <shauno> hm, yeah.  pinouts.ru says that port is max 50mA.  the mouse has 100 written on its bottom
[20:44] <diddledan> their password reset system is broke
[21:25] <shauno> hm.  tried jumping the 5v on the mouseport (50mA) to the 5v on the floppy port (250mA).  still nada.
[21:28] <daftykins> are you fully power cycling the machine between tries?
[21:33] <shauno> heh, yes
[21:34] <shauno> like killing the psu before I poke wires in it :)
[21:34] <diddledan> shauno: I got el capitan installed
[21:34] <shauno> diddledan: sorry
[21:34] <shauno> I thought I told you not to?
[21:34] <diddledan> the most obvious change I noticed is new beachball :-p
[21:34] <shauno> yes!  it's now flat
[21:35] <shauno> learn to love the new beachball.  you'll be looking at it a lot :/
[21:35] <diddledan> lol
[21:36] <shauno> I beta'd all the things.  total regret.  it's not a good first round
[21:36] <diddledan> :-(
[21:36] <shauno> I got the "south atlantic ocean" bug on my watch
[21:36] <diddledan> ooh?
[21:36] <diddledan> I don't know what that is
[21:37] <shauno> if the gps fix isn't good enough it's meant to keep using the last known
[21:37] <shauno> it now goes to 0,0
[21:37] <diddledan> oops
[21:37] <shauno> so half the time my weather is for the 'south atlantic ocean'
[21:37] <zmoylan-pi> windy with a chance of penguins...
[21:37] <diddledan> TUX FTW!
[21:37]  * zmoylan-pi taps barometer...
[21:38] <daftykins> shauno: in the PSU o0
[21:38] <zmoylan-pi> so just how of course does google think you're going to get on your yacht? :-P
[21:38] <shauno> on the plus side, I did manage over 75,000km on my bike this weekend
[21:38] <daftykins> shauno: how is it, down there?
[21:38] <zleap> hi
[21:39] <zleap> does anyone know what size sd card ubuntu mate needs for the Pi2 (or ideal size)
[21:39] <shauno> 4gb or moar
[21:39] <zleap> ok
[21:39] <zmoylan-pi> moar is better
[21:40] <zleap> so 8 is fine
[21:40] <zleap> thanks
[21:40] <zleap> same for snappy i take it
[21:40] <zmoylan-pi> the longer it's running the more updates which will take space plus your files
[21:40] <shauno> I tend to stick <64 just because I don't know if the pi does sdxc cards yet
[21:40] <shauno> it may, it may not, I've not needed more than 32 to care yet
[21:40] <zleap> ok
[21:41] <zleap> i have sent a message to the list asking if anyone can come to the torbay tech jam and talk about snappy core
[21:41] <zleap> at some point
[21:41] <zmoylan-pi> my original pi b running raspian on 4gb card is down to half a gig free...
[21:42] <shauno> daftykins: not wires in the psu, no.  but I do make sure the psu is off before I poke things anywhere
[21:42] <daftykins> :)
[21:42] <zleap> i know there is an alternate raspbian that can fit in something like 512
[21:42] <shauno> I've solder a wire to the 5v pin on the adaptor, and shoved it in the floppy port
[21:42] <zleap> as it is seriosly cut down
[21:43] <shauno> lessbian is about 750
[21:43] <shauno> (and have fun googling that)
[21:43] <zleap> lol
[21:43]  * diddledan sniggers
[21:44] <zleap> hmm i have a pic of my local ladies rugby team,  that would make apt desktop wallpaper
[21:45] <zleap> so is class 4 or 10 more suitable
[21:45] <zleap> for the pi
[21:45] <zleap> well pi2
[21:45] <daftykins> the faster the better
[21:45] <zleap> ok
[21:46] <zleap> we are getting 3x pi 2s donated to the tech jam
[21:55] <zleap> these prices are crazy,  same product different prices and where they have said it is for a specific phone / tablet they charge more
[21:57] <daftykins> you definitely want to stick to known brands and not be too cheap, lots of fakes out there
[21:57] <zleap> like kingston
[21:57] <zleap> they seem pretty good so far
[21:58] <daftykins> yeah or sandisk etc
[21:58] <zleap> ok
[21:59] <zleap>  http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B0036V9AGU
[21:59] <zleap> seems pretty good
[21:59] <zleap> 16b class 10 for 4.75
[21:59] <zleap> gb
[22:01] <daftykins> yip
[22:01] <daftykins> GB ;]
[22:02] <zleap> yeah
[22:03] <zleap> daftykins: so does that look good ?
[22:04] <zleap> ok also found info on lessbian,  barebones jessie for servers but it should be fine for other stuff too
[22:04] <zleap> like install python or just X + Scratch
[22:05] <shauno> I'd just stick with raspbian to be honest, unless there's a genuine need for it
[22:07] <daftykins> zleap: yep, should be legit from amazon direct
[22:07] <daftykins> (no funky marketplace sellers)
[22:09] <zleap> hmm
[22:09] <zleap> looking at the lessbian site
[22:09] <zleap> To setup wifi, edit the wpa_supplicant.conf file in /boot directory (also editable from windows)
[22:09] <zleap> i thought the wpa_supplicant was in /etc
[22:09] <zleap> not /boot
[22:12] <shauno> usually.  I think they've misplaced it intentionally so you can set it up without needing access
[22:13] <shauno> ie, write the card under windows, edit the wifi config under windows, then stick it in a pi and be ready to roll
[22:13] <zleap> sounds like a good plan
[22:13] <zleap> i guess it can actually be anywhere so long as a path environment variable can point to it
[22:16] <shauno> I think that's why I prefer to stick with raspbian; you'll match up better with the billion tutorials for things online
[22:16] <zmoylan-pi> it's optimised for the hardware
[22:17] <zleap> raspbian is fine but if all you want to do is stick pi in a robot and use python there is a lot of disk overhead or use for say datalogging
[22:17] <zleap> you need that extra space i guess
[22:17] <zleap> it is just nce to have options
[22:18] <zleap> i wonder if there is a command line tool to set up wpa_config