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daftykinsSony E3 briefing, hmm01:29
daftykinsthis No Man's Sky looks fun01:29
diddledanhmm, not sure about jupiter ascending. an interesting concept but I think it's more a prelude to a sequal than a movie in it's own right01:33
diddledanvery procedural01:33
diddledanfun watch if you don't think about it tho01:34
diddledanit's got some nice music however01:35
daftykins:>01:37
daftykinsthat's on my list01:37
diddledannext-up methinks will be "kite"01:37
diddledanref: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2044801/01:38
diddledanthis looks intriguing: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt3244512/01:53
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brobostigonmorning boys and girls06:31
knightwisemorning brobostigon06:34
brobostigonmorning knightwise06:35
* brobostigon has a funeral to go to this morning, so is getting his suit ready.06:35
* knightwise wears a suit allmost every day 06:37
* brobostigon doesnt get to wear one that often. it feels abit strange.06:38
* brobostigon also needs to find out a way, of pushing irssi notification to ubuntu touch in real time.06:41
knightwisehmm.. still need to go "full ubuntu phone" for a week and see how that works out for me06:42
knightwisebut i'm a bit scared to do so ยต06:42
knightwiseI run my company off my phone06:42
brobostigonsimilerly, there are some curcial features required, like i mentioned above, most of my communication run through irssi.06:45
brobostigoncrucial*06:45
knightwiseCalendar , mail , contacts06:46
knightwisethose are the three most important ones06:46
brobostigonyes.06:46
brobostigonpebble support would be good too, :)06:48
knightwise+ i cant always rely on a data connection. Sometimes i'm abroad06:48
knightwisethen some "offline syncing" would be nice06:48
knightwisecant always lean on html5 apps06:48
brobostigondefinatly.06:49
knightwiseBut i love the battery life. and perhaps the absence of all those (mostly distracting) apps is not such a bad thing after all.06:50
knightwiseCounting down the days untill my Dell XPS gets here06:51
brobostigon:) hehe06:52
knightwisebeen playing on the Surface Pro I use for my meetings; Also not a bad machine06:52
MooDoomorning all07:21
knightwisehey MooDoo07:22
brobostigonmorning MooDoo07:22
brobostigonnow heres an idea, integrate xmpp/fb-messenger/hangouts/etc into messaging on ubuntu touch?07:32
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diplobrobostigon, pidgin or jitsi can do that? Then again fb messenger and hangouts don't have public apis anymore ?08:07
brobostigondiplo: ok, let me see if they have ports to ubuntu touch.08:07
diploI've seen people talking about it, that was a few weeks/month ago08:08
diploBut not seen any code08:08
brobostigonok,08:08
awilkinsdiplo, Google chat still works for me from bitlbee (which I think is using XMPP)08:15
awilkinsAlthough I'm told this is because there is a bridge from Google Talk to Hangouts08:18
davmor2Morning all08:30
JamesTaitGood morning all; happy Fresh Veggies Day! ๐Ÿ˜ƒ08:55
MartijnVdSewww veggies08:55
JamesTaitFunny that I just spent an hour in the garden.08:56
davmor2JamesTait: sunbathing isn't anything to do with fresh veg, nor is a water fight with the kids :P09:02
JamesTaitAwww. :(09:03
MartijnVdS๐Ÿ†09:06
popeyHappy birthday AlanBell09:07
davmor2Hippo Birdy Indeed Mr Bell :)09:11
SuperMatthttp://devopsreactions.tumblr.com/post/121661216099/the-new-kernel-is-here09:16
foobarrySuperMatt: every post on that tumbler is brilliant09:25
foobarryhttp://devopsreactions.tumblr.com/post/118933329057/bash-ls-command-not-found09:26
bigcalmGood morning peeps :)09:35
SuperMattfoobarry: I've had that one. not fun.09:41
SuperMattit generally means that someone has done something remarkably messy09:42
SuperMattas someone did the other day "mv / /home"09:43
directhexhttp://www.kotaku.co.uk/2015/06/16/ouyas-been-bought-out-by-razer09:45
popeyindeed09:46
davmor2bigcalm: hey dude, how's life09:46
bigcalmHi davmor2. Today it is noisey. Workmen are installing a pod of 6 desks at our office09:46
davmor2bigcalm: you expanding or something?09:47
bigcalmdavmor2: looks like it09:47
bigcalmHotdesking I believe09:47
foobarrywhat do lego call it?09:49
foobarryfound some of that programme a bit :-|09:49
foobarryi suppose when you hire fans it can get rather cult-ish (google, lego, apple, etc)09:50
foobarryand then when you control staff begaviour...09:51
foobarrydirecthex: before you bin your touchpad..i heard 5.x is out for it09:57
directhexebayed that ages ago09:57
foobarryheh09:57
foobarryget anything for it?09:57
foobarrymine has damaged case where i replaced the screen09:57
foobarryand is really slow for some reason09:58
neeetzI get this error everytime Processing was halted because there were too many errors. E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) , looks like there is some python package reoved from the system11:19
directhexneeetz: sounds like an issue with your package database. fixable, but hard to do remotely. if you can pastebin *complete* messages, and obey instructions *precisely*, it can be fixed11:28
neeetzdirecthex:  http://paste.ubuntu.com/11724293/11:30
directhexhm. python-minimal missing11:31
directhex14.0411:32
directhex32 or 64 bit?11:32
neeetzdirecthex:  6411:33
directhexdownload http://es.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/p/python-defaults/python-minimal_2.7.5-5ubuntu3_amd64.deb and try installing it with "dpkg -i python-minimal_2.7.5-5ubuntu3_amd64.deb"11:33
neeetzdirecthex:  dpkg won't work11:34
directhexremember what i said about complete messages?11:35
neeetzhttp://paste.ubuntu.com/11724293/11:36
neeetzdirecthex:  i posted it11:36
neeetz:/11:36
neeetzdirecthex:  when i run dpkg11:36
directhexthat's the output from "dpkg -i python-minimal_2.7.5-5ubuntu3_amd64.deb" ?11:36
directhexbecause to me, something beginning "Reading package lists... Done" is output from apt, not dpkg11:37
neeetzdirecthex:  done11:43
neeetzdirecthex:  i did dpkg , it installed11:43
neeetzdirecthex:  but when i do apt-get update , same error11:44
directhexupdate or upgrade?11:45
directhexi'm going to go and do my exercise in about 5 minutes. you have until then before i disappear for an hour11:46
knightwisedamn. I just upgraded mps-youtube on my raspberry and now i'm getting a bunch of errors :(11:48
knightwisehttp://pastebin.com/iKkiv9wS11:49
popeymaybe install python-requests11:49
knightwisegiving it a try11:50
knightwisenope :( same error11:51
knightwisehmm. i did the upgrade via pip install so .. it should work11:51
popeyoh, no idea then11:53
popeyyou probably need to pip install some other nonsense then11:53
knightwisehmmm.. i'll check again.11:54
knightwiseFound it. Needed to install newer version of pip12:02
knightwisepip-3.2 instead of "regular" pip12:03
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diddledanquiet in here today14:05
* zmoylan-pi waters the tumbleweed and listens to coyotes in distance...14:06
diddledanso I want a 4k display14:08
diddledan:-p14:08
diddledanhidpi ftw14:08
zmoylan-pithen get mame running and play space invaders in 4k...14:10
diddledandoes mame do upscaling?14:12
zmoylan-piit's not about the res it's about doing something silly to annoy others :-P14:13
diddledanlol14:13
zmoylan-pimake sure to point out the dolby system... :-D14:13
diddledandolby +adlib14:14
diddledani.e. adlib card emulation ouput on a dolby surround system14:14
zmoylan-pibonus points for getting zx spectrum games running on that rig... :-)14:15
daftykinsjust unboxed a Lenovo X1 carbon :O14:52
daftykinshttps://www.dropbox.com/sh/e83vhve5shdm93f/AADzIc9NZrlUiK-Oer-nBlkCa?dl=14:53
diddledanwin7?14:53
daftykinsyeah it shipped with a downgrade14:53
daftykinsLenovo won't ship to us down here, so i had to go to dabs - they and most etailers seem to sell the win7 downgrade models14:53
diddledanwell that's silly14:54
diddledanwin8.1 is the new shiny :-p14:54
daftykinsit's a turd and business knows it14:54
diploAnyone tried Win10 preview ?14:54
daftykinsbut it will be better for this machine, given this is one of the WQHD models :o14:54
daftykinsdiplo: yep been using it for a long time14:54
daftykinsbeen through 3 or 4 builds14:55
diddledanI'm on it right now14:55
diddledanI've been using it since the first release14:55
diploJust debating whether to get the upgrade on work laptop or just leave it on 714:56
daftykinsno point taking action now, it'll be available for a year14:56
daftykinsi suspect the upgrade installs will cause some drama for some :)14:57
diddledanand rtm will be out in 6 weeks14:57
shaunoanyone in / overly familiar with southampton?15:03
diploNot overly but can drive around it and through parts of it.. if you want street names no15:06
diplo:)15:06
daftykins:D15:07
daftykinsi've flown in a few times over the years!15:07
shaunotrying to figure my chances of getting from the airport to hamble in ~30 minutes15:07
daftykinswell the train station is right beside, if that's any good to you15:07
shaunoso mostly "how bad is the m27 at 10am on a friday"15:07
shaunoyeah I was looking at that, but the train out from there is every 20 minutes15:08
shaunoso it could be perfect, or I could be quite late, depending on which end of "every 20 minutes" I hit15:08
diploshauno: M27 is fine at that sort of time imo15:09
diploAny time between 7:30~ and 9 it's awful15:09
shaunohm.  I may chance it then15:09
shaunotrying to decide if a taxi that morning will be quick enough, or if I have to arrive the night before and find somewhere to crash.  and it's close15:10
gingis there a way to get newer intel graphic driver on ubuntu 14.04 without upgrading to 14.10 ?15:13
diddledanwhy?15:14
diddledanyou can install the HWE15:14
diddledanthat's about it15:14
gingthere is some drm problem which keeps shutting down the screen on my laptop15:14
diddledandrm as in digital restrictions management?15:17
daftykinsging: have you confirmed it's resolved in a newer mainline kernel?15:17
gingdaftykins: no am just hoping new drivers would fix it15:18
daftykinsging: well that's what you'd get by throwing a newer kernel on to test :)15:18
daftykins!mainline15:18
lubotu3The kernel team supply continuous mainline kernel builds which can be useful for tracking down issues or testing recent changes in the Linux kernel. More information is available at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/MainlineBuilds15:18
daftykinsmaybe do a backup, try one... see if it solves anything15:18
gingdaftykins: i've done nothing, it's a standard install15:20
gingthere was a tool from intel which installs the latest drivers, except for some reason they only do it for the lastest distro15:21
diddledanDON'T DO THAT15:21
gingthey have withdrawn the 14.04 one15:21
diddledanhardware drivers direct from the manufacturer invariably mess-up ubuntu - only use drivers provided by the ubuntu repos15:22
daftykinsging: never run any of those intel installers :P15:25
directhexi know who writes the intel installer15:27
directhexhe's a good dev15:27
gingdo you know why they revoke the old ones?15:29
gingseems a bit odd, unless they become redundant because the latest working driver gets build in15:30
daftykinsdirecthex: does that change it being wise to apply to an ubuntu installation?15:32
directhexit should be harmless if it's not helpful15:32
directhexging: bingo15:33
daftykinsjust gets peoples systems into a mess when trying to help in #ubuntu15:33
diplohttps://letsencrypt.org/2015/06/16/lets-encrypt-launch-schedule.html15:38
TwistedLuciditydiplo: Woo!15:41
diddledannice that "A cross-signature from IdenTrust will be in place for general availability, so that our certificates will validate automatically for the vast majority of consumers." - means they don't need to wait for beaurocracy of the various browsers15:43
bujjihow i can build my won distro?15:51
directhexif you need to ask...15:52
diddledanbujji: www.linuxfromscratch.com15:52
diddledanor maybe .org15:52
bujji.com is not working15:52
diddledanif you mean "spin of ubuntu" then that's not creating your own distro15:53
bujjispin of ubunntu ?15:53
directhexdiddledan: is steamos a distro? where's the line?15:53
directhexbujji: what do you *actually* want to achieve, exactly?15:54
diddledandirecthex: I guess the line is if you're providing custom packages or not15:54
directhexdiddledan: add one PPA to the defaults, you count as a distro?15:54
diddledandirecthex: no15:54
bujjidirecthex:how i can build my own distro.?15:55
directhexbujji: what do you think that actually means?15:55
directhexbujji: what is your understanding of what a distro is, and what it contains?15:55
directhexand in what way do you want to deviate from what already exists?15:56
bujjidirecthex:how i can build this ubuntu dtribuion15:57
directhexwhat would you like to do to ubuntu? add things? remove things? change existing things?15:58
diddledandirecthex: I think the line is somewhat blurry - I suggest that the difference between spin and distro is 1) philosophical and personal, 2) dependant on how much you change from a base distro if you're subclassing15:58
shaunoLFS actually isn't a bad suggestion for bujji I think15:58
diddledanshauno: \o/15:59
directhexshauno: you don't know that. they haven't made it even slightly clear what they want to achieve15:59
diddledandirecthex: he's a regular offender15:59
bashrcDonald Trump running for president, apparently15:59
shaunoI've been talking to him on and off for days now.  I'm pretty convinced he's not actually trying to achieve anything, just trying to understand as much as he can15:59
diddledanat least this time it's actually on-topic rather than random financial questions16:00
daftykinslol.16:00
daftykinsi missed those16:00
bujjididdledan:offender..am  did anything wrong?16:01
diddledanbujji: no, it's just a turn-of-phrase16:01
bujjishauno:yes,i am knowing things...if i know then  can apply..you people already did some of the things you can suggest me the way to achieve ))16:04
bujjihttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9K-iUJgFhWA16:09
daftykinsand off he goes16:13
directhex"what exactly are you trying to achieve" is *such* a hard question for beginners @_@16:18
shaunoI genuinely thing he's not trying to achieve anything16:19
shaunowe spent *hours* going over hardlinks and symlinks without the slightest hint of practical application16:20
diddledanI suggest that sometimes it's important to work out what you can get away with not knowing16:20
diddledani.e. I've never looked at kernel development because I don't need to know about it16:21
diddledanthat "i.e." would probably read better as an "e.g." :-)16:22
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brobostigonok, question, form my research, messaging in ubuntu touch uses telepathy, so why not just add the telepathy xmpp modules, could work?17:18
diddledancould you try rephrasing that?17:26
brobostigonsudo aptitude install telepathy-gabble17:29
davmor2brobostigon: are you in the right window or are you losing the arguement with yourself ;)17:31
brobostigondavmor2: wouldnt that work though, because if messaging picks up on telepathy, adding that, would give it that ability?17:32
davmor2brobostigon: we have no idea what you want to do. Yes you can add it you then need a client to use it ie empathy, then you need to talk to accounts to use it which means you need to install accounts-gabble or something like that17:34
davmor2the telepathy stuff is just backend17:35
diddledanI'm surprised xmpp isn't availble in empathy already17:36
diddledanafaict it should be default17:36
davmor2brobostigon: APT-Manual-Installed: yes on apt show telepathy-gabble17:37
brobostigondavmor2: good point, i am aiming for xmpp to show, ie, you add an xmpp acount like the other, and then messages from said xmpp to show in messages.17:37
davmor2brobostigon: so open empathy17:37
brobostigonothers*17:37
davmor2brobostigon: add your account and done17:37
davmor2brobostigon: it's installed by default17:38
davmor2brobostigon: right next :)17:38
brobostigondavmor2: so i can run empathy on ubuntu touch?17:38
davmor2brobostigon: you said nothing about ubuntu touch17:38
brobostigon17:18:34 < brobostigon> ok, question, form my research, messaging in ubuntu touch uses telepathy, so why not  just add the telepathy xmpp modules, could work?17:39
brobostigoni did,17:39
ali1234it was literally the first line ^17:39
davmor2brobostigon: oh sorry my mistake misread it17:39
brobostigondavmor2: no worries.17:39
davmor2brobostigon: no you would still need a client.  there is no chat client17:40
ali1234so a more interesting question, is can we rip the excellent skype/empathy libraries from an N900 and use those on ubuntu touch?17:40
davmor2ali1234: possibly17:40
brobostigondavmor2: thats what i am trying to solve, and make it consistant with the rest of the messaging.17:40
ali1234in theory that's the whole point of empathy17:41
ali1234makes all the different chat services appear in one place17:41
davmor2brobostigon: so theoretically it's possible17:41
brobostigondavmor2: thats what i thought, and am thinking of ways to achieve it.17:42
ali1234wait17:43
ali1234i'm getting them mixed up17:43
ali1234telepathy is the lib, empathy is the ui?17:43
diddledanali1234: yes17:43
ali1234so does ubuntu touch have a telepathy UI by default?17:43
brobostigonbecause, it would be better, to not have a seperate xmpp client, but have everything consistantly together, rather than to seperate apps for the same job.17:44
ali1234maybe empathy, maybe something else?17:44
diddledangrr @ putin - gonna ADD 40 additional nuclear ballistics17:46
* brobostigon is making a list, of issues he needs to file.17:47
* brobostigon likes making lists.17:50
* diddledan adds brobostigon to "the list"17:51
diddledan(people I'm going to murdorise)17:51
diddledan:-p17:51
* brobostigon is all sad now, he dont want to be murdered.17:51
diddledanwell it serves you right for making lists :-D17:51
brobostigoneh, :)17:52
diddledaneveryone who makes lists gets on my list of people to bump-off17:52
brobostigondoes that include david cameron?17:52
diddledandefo17:52
* brobostigon approves.17:52
diddledanhe's the worst list-maker17:53
shaunojust make sure to put yourself at the bottom of your own list.  if you're at the top it doesn't work so well17:53
diddledanoh.17:53
diddledanhmm.17:53
diddledandammit.17:53
diddledanffs. der spiegel is reporting that websites are responsible for insults made by their users17:54
daftykins:/17:55
diddledanhttp://www.spiegel.de/netzwelt/netzpolitik/gerichtshof-urteilt-zu-beleidigungen-in-nutzerforen-a-1039058.html17:55
daftykinsthat's ridiculous17:55
diddledanit's also germany that's insisting that copyright means that if I want to link to der spiegel I've got to pay der spiegel for the privilege17:55
diddledanso I owe them monies for the link I just popped above17:56
diddledano_O graham clueless is suggesting emoji passwords as a solution to someone guessing your password17:57
diddledan(beware, I am about to owe someone else monies for linking!): http://www.tripwire.com/state-of-security/security-data-protection/could-emoji-passwords-be-safer-for-online-bank-users/17:58
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* knightwise thinks what the emoji for "piece of sh*t-pizza" would look like18:01
diddledansurely that's just a combo of the "pizza slice" emoji with the "pile of poo" emoji?18:02
shauno๐Ÿ’ฉ๐Ÿ•?18:03
diddledan>.<18:03
diddledanI can't read that18:03
diddledanwindows ftl18:03
shaunothat's okay.  you have no functional requirement to read my passwords :)18:03
shauno(and emoji passwords don't need some fantastic tech someone has to announce.  just handle utf properly)18:04
intrbizi'd be interested if by people constructing a story would introduce a statistical bias and thus weakness18:05
diddledanI really don't understand why websites and such don't just pass the raw data into the encyprtion routines instead of insisting that they be valid ascii18:05
shaunomy theory is the harder systems try to be clever, the harder they go wrong18:06
shaunolike claiming my 22-digit passwords aren't secure because they don't contain letters.  or worse, that they're too long18:06
intrbizshauno: isn't that just restating systems theory18:06
diddledanI hate those systems that claim for a secure password I must not use symbols and be less than 15 characters18:07
intrbizcough verified by visa18:09
intrbizbanning non-alphanumerics irritates me the most18:10
MartijnVdS7-bit ASCII only!18:10
davmor2ali1234: telepathy and mission-control are on the phone and desktop by default18:11
davmor2brobostigon: in theory you could include telepathy-gable and make a basic chat client window that talks to it18:12
brobostigondavmor2: thats what i had in mind as well.18:13
davmor2brobostigon: there is talk of adding functions to the messaging app as a kinda all in one chat client and the same for telepathy-sofiasip and the dialer app but I have no idea how far off that is18:43
brobostigondavmor2: thats an interesting idea.18:44
brobostigondavmor2: do us normals humans, have a chance to look at all this?19:03
brobostigonnormal*19:04
AzelphurHey folks, I created /etc/init/deluged.conf and now sudo service deluged start says unrecognized service, any ideas?19:04
Azelphuris there something Ihave to do to make upstart aware of it?19:04
MartijnVdSAzelphur: yes... I think so19:04
MartijnVdSbut I'm on a systemd machine atm so I can't really check19:05
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diddledan_chris evans is the jeremy clarkson replacement?20:31
daftykins*entire20:31
brobostigonyep.20:32
brobostigonapparently.20:32
awilkins_WELCOME TO GINGER TOPGEAR20:36
brobostigonlolx v.x~20:41
brobostigon~ = infinate.20:41
daftykinshttp://paste.ubuntu.com/11727205/ - what's making grub-mkconfig trip up on each of the functions within /etc/default/grub ? http://paste.ubuntu.com/11727153/20:58
daftykins(i refer to line 27's return code 127)20:59
diddledan_daftykins: what's in /etc/default/grub?21:26
diddledan_daftykins: it should be bash script21:26
daftykinshttp://paste.ubuntu.com/11727153/21:26
daftykinsthis apparently :S21:26
diddledan_yeah that looks wrong21:26
diddledan_hang on, let me boot an ubuntu21:27
daftykinsyeah somehow this user has had the file substitute the normal looking 'grub'21:27
diddledan_somehow being they either did something wrong or followed incorrect advice21:28
diddledan_http://paste.ubuntu.com/11727334/21:28
diddledan_that's mine21:28
daftykins*nod* gonna throw in a default and run sudo update-grub i think21:29
diddledandangit21:37
daftykinsdiddledan: yep replace and update-grub sorted it21:37
daftykinsdiddledan: Lenovo X1 Carbon clean install - https://www.dropbox.com/s/ddj93shalr5m9v5/IMG_20150616_223246.jpg?dl=021:37
daftykins:D21:37
diddledanjaybers21:38
diddledanhmm: http://www.novatech.co.uk/products/monitors/4kuhdmonitors/210-acok.html22:39
daftykinsif it's TN - don't touch, if it's IPS - go ahead22:41
daftykinsah hit spec page22:41
diddledanTN?22:41
daftykinsyep that's TN, that'll suck22:41
daftykinsTwisted Neumatic, a type of LCD22:41
daftykinsthey're the ones where the colours invert very quickly at different viewing angles22:42
daftykinsso they're only good when looking straight on22:42
daftykinsIn Plane Switching (IPS) are way better from all angles22:42
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daftykinsheh was just looking up videos of this French telco to find out how you pronounce it23:07
daftykinsoff the islands here you can sometimes see "FR Bouygues"23:07
ali1234"bogeys"23:08
daftykinsno :P23:08
daftykinsthough that's what a client was claiming XD23:08
ali1234yes, but it annoys them23:09
daftykinsseems they just say 'Bwee'23:09

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