[01:29] Sony E3 briefing, hmm [01:29] this No Man's Sky looks fun [01:33] hmm, not sure about jupiter ascending. an interesting concept but I think it's more a prelude to a sequal than a movie in it's own right [01:33] very procedural [01:34] fun watch if you don't think about it tho [01:35] it's got some nice music however [01:37] :> [01:37] that's on my list [01:37] next-up methinks will be "kite" [01:38] ref: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2044801/ [01:53] this looks intriguing: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt3244512/ === zmoylan-1i is now known as zmoylan-pi [06:31] morning boys and girls [06:34] morning brobostigon [06:35] morning knightwise [06:35] * brobostigon has a funeral to go to this morning, so is getting his suit ready. [06:37] * knightwise wears a suit allmost every day [06:38] * brobostigon doesnt get to wear one that often. it feels abit strange. [06:41] * brobostigon also needs to find out a way, of pushing irssi notification to ubuntu touch in real time. [06:42] hmm.. still need to go "full ubuntu phone" for a week and see how that works out for me [06:42] but i'm a bit scared to do so µ [06:42] I run my company off my phone [06:45] similerly, there are some curcial features required, like i mentioned above, most of my communication run through irssi. [06:45] crucial* [06:46] Calendar , mail , contacts [06:46] those are the three most important ones [06:46] yes. [06:48] pebble support would be good too, :) [06:48] + i cant always rely on a data connection. Sometimes i'm abroad [06:48] then some "offline syncing" would be nice [06:48] cant always lean on html5 apps [06:49] definatly. [06:50] But i love the battery life. and perhaps the absence of all those (mostly distracting) apps is not such a bad thing after all. [06:51] Counting down the days untill my Dell XPS gets here [06:52] :) hehe [06:52] been playing on the Surface Pro I use for my meetings; Also not a bad machine [07:21] morning all [07:22] hey MooDoo [07:22] morning MooDoo [07:32] now heres an idea, integrate xmpp/fb-messenger/hangouts/etc into messaging on ubuntu touch? === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte [08:07] brobostigon, pidgin or jitsi can do that? Then again fb messenger and hangouts don't have public apis anymore ? [08:07] diplo: ok, let me see if they have ports to ubuntu touch. [08:08] I've seen people talking about it, that was a few weeks/month ago [08:08] But not seen any code [08:08] ok, [08:15] diplo, Google chat still works for me from bitlbee (which I think is using XMPP) [08:18] Although I'm told this is because there is a bridge from Google Talk to Hangouts [08:30] Morning all [08:55] Good morning all; happy Fresh Veggies Day! 😃 [08:55] ewww veggies [08:56] Funny that I just spent an hour in the garden. [09:02] JamesTait: sunbathing isn't anything to do with fresh veg, nor is a water fight with the kids :P [09:03] Awww. :( [09:06] 🍆 [09:07] Happy birthday AlanBell [09:11] Hippo Birdy Indeed Mr Bell :) [09:16] http://devopsreactions.tumblr.com/post/121661216099/the-new-kernel-is-here [09:25] SuperMatt: every post on that tumbler is brilliant [09:26] http://devopsreactions.tumblr.com/post/118933329057/bash-ls-command-not-found [09:35] Good morning peeps :) [09:41] foobarry: I've had that one. not fun. [09:42] it generally means that someone has done something remarkably messy [09:43] as someone did the other day "mv / /home" [09:45] http://www.kotaku.co.uk/2015/06/16/ouyas-been-bought-out-by-razer [09:46] indeed [09:46] bigcalm: hey dude, how's life [09:46] Hi davmor2. Today it is noisey. Workmen are installing a pod of 6 desks at our office [09:47] bigcalm: you expanding or something? [09:47] davmor2: looks like it [09:47] Hotdesking I believe [09:49] what do lego call it? [09:49] found some of that programme a bit :-| [09:50] i suppose when you hire fans it can get rather cult-ish (google, lego, apple, etc) [09:51] and then when you control staff begaviour... [09:57] directhex: before you bin your touchpad..i heard 5.x is out for it [09:57] ebayed that ages ago [09:57] heh [09:57] get anything for it? [09:57] mine has damaged case where i replaced the screen [09:58] and is really slow for some reason [11:19] I get this error everytime Processing was halted because there were too many errors. E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) , looks like there is some python package reoved from the system [11:28] neeetz: sounds like an issue with your package database. fixable, but hard to do remotely. if you can pastebin *complete* messages, and obey instructions *precisely*, it can be fixed [11:30] directhex: http://paste.ubuntu.com/11724293/ [11:31] hm. python-minimal missing [11:32] 14.04 [11:32] 32 or 64 bit? [11:33] directhex: 64 [11:33] download http://es.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/p/python-defaults/python-minimal_2.7.5-5ubuntu3_amd64.deb and try installing it with "dpkg -i python-minimal_2.7.5-5ubuntu3_amd64.deb" [11:34] directhex: dpkg won't work [11:35] remember what i said about complete messages? [11:36] http://paste.ubuntu.com/11724293/ [11:36] directhex: i posted it [11:36] :/ [11:36] directhex: when i run dpkg [11:36] that's the output from "dpkg -i python-minimal_2.7.5-5ubuntu3_amd64.deb" ? [11:37] because to me, something beginning "Reading package lists... Done" is output from apt, not dpkg [11:43] directhex: done [11:43] directhex: i did dpkg , it installed [11:44] directhex: but when i do apt-get update , same error [11:45] update or upgrade? [11:46] i'm going to go and do my exercise in about 5 minutes. you have until then before i disappear for an hour [11:48] damn. I just upgraded mps-youtube on my raspberry and now i'm getting a bunch of errors :( [11:49] http://pastebin.com/iKkiv9wS [11:49] maybe install python-requests [11:50] giving it a try [11:51] nope :( same error [11:51] hmm. i did the upgrade via pip install so .. it should work [11:53] oh, no idea then [11:53] you probably need to pip install some other nonsense then [11:54] hmmm.. i'll check again. [12:02] Found it. Needed to install newer version of pip [12:03] pip-3.2 instead of "regular" pip === alan_g is now known as alan_g|lunch === alan_g|lunch is now known as alan_g [14:05] quiet in here today [14:06] * zmoylan-pi waters the tumbleweed and listens to coyotes in distance... [14:08] so I want a 4k display [14:08] :-p [14:08] hidpi ftw [14:10] then get mame running and play space invaders in 4k... [14:12] does mame do upscaling? [14:13] it's not about the res it's about doing something silly to annoy others :-P [14:13] lol [14:13] make sure to point out the dolby system... :-D [14:14] dolby +adlib [14:14] i.e. adlib card emulation ouput on a dolby surround system [14:15] bonus points for getting zx spectrum games running on that rig... :-) [14:52] just unboxed a Lenovo X1 carbon :O [14:53] https://www.dropbox.com/sh/e83vhve5shdm93f/AADzIc9NZrlUiK-Oer-nBlkCa?dl= [14:53] win7? [14:53] yeah it shipped with a downgrade [14:53] Lenovo won't ship to us down here, so i had to go to dabs - they and most etailers seem to sell the win7 downgrade models [14:54] well that's silly [14:54] win8.1 is the new shiny :-p [14:54] it's a turd and business knows it [14:54] Anyone tried Win10 preview ? [14:54] but it will be better for this machine, given this is one of the WQHD models :o [14:54] diplo: yep been using it for a long time [14:55] been through 3 or 4 builds [14:55] I'm on it right now [14:55] I've been using it since the first release [14:56] Just debating whether to get the upgrade on work laptop or just leave it on 7 [14:56] no point taking action now, it'll be available for a year [14:57] i suspect the upgrade installs will cause some drama for some :) [14:57] and rtm will be out in 6 weeks [15:03] anyone in / overly familiar with southampton? [15:06] Not overly but can drive around it and through parts of it.. if you want street names no [15:06] :) [15:07] :D [15:07] i've flown in a few times over the years! [15:07] trying to figure my chances of getting from the airport to hamble in ~30 minutes [15:07] well the train station is right beside, if that's any good to you [15:07] so mostly "how bad is the m27 at 10am on a friday" [15:08] yeah I was looking at that, but the train out from there is every 20 minutes [15:08] so it could be perfect, or I could be quite late, depending on which end of "every 20 minutes" I hit [15:09] shauno: M27 is fine at that sort of time imo [15:09] Any time between 7:30~ and 9 it's awful [15:09] hm. I may chance it then [15:10] trying to decide if a taxi that morning will be quick enough, or if I have to arrive the night before and find somewhere to crash. and it's close [15:13] is there a way to get newer intel graphic driver on ubuntu 14.04 without upgrading to 14.10 ? [15:14] why? [15:14] you can install the HWE [15:14] that's about it [15:14] there is some drm problem which keeps shutting down the screen on my laptop [15:17] drm as in digital restrictions management? [15:17] ging: have you confirmed it's resolved in a newer mainline kernel? [15:18] daftykins: no am just hoping new drivers would fix it [15:18] ging: well that's what you'd get by throwing a newer kernel on to test :) [15:18] !mainline [15:18] The kernel team supply continuous mainline kernel builds which can be useful for tracking down issues or testing recent changes in the Linux kernel. More information is available at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/MainlineBuilds [15:18] maybe do a backup, try one... see if it solves anything [15:20] daftykins: i've done nothing, it's a standard install [15:21] there was a tool from intel which installs the latest drivers, except for some reason they only do it for the lastest distro [15:21] DON'T DO THAT [15:21] they have withdrawn the 14.04 one [15:22] hardware drivers direct from the manufacturer invariably mess-up ubuntu - only use drivers provided by the ubuntu repos [15:25] ging: never run any of those intel installers :P [15:27] i know who writes the intel installer [15:27] he's a good dev [15:29] do you know why they revoke the old ones? [15:30] seems a bit odd, unless they become redundant because the latest working driver gets build in [15:32] directhex: does that change it being wise to apply to an ubuntu installation? [15:32] it should be harmless if it's not helpful [15:33] ging: bingo [15:33] just gets peoples systems into a mess when trying to help in #ubuntu [15:38] https://letsencrypt.org/2015/06/16/lets-encrypt-launch-schedule.html [15:41] diplo: Woo! [15:43] nice that "A cross-signature from IdenTrust will be in place for general availability, so that our certificates will validate automatically for the vast majority of consumers." - means they don't need to wait for beaurocracy of the various browsers [15:51] how i can build my won distro? [15:52] if you need to ask... [15:52] bujji: www.linuxfromscratch.com [15:52] or maybe .org [15:52] .com is not working [15:53] if you mean "spin of ubuntu" then that's not creating your own distro [15:53] spin of ubunntu ? [15:53] diddledan: is steamos a distro? where's the line? [15:54] bujji: what do you *actually* want to achieve, exactly? [15:54] directhex: I guess the line is if you're providing custom packages or not [15:54] diddledan: add one PPA to the defaults, you count as a distro? [15:54] directhex: no [15:55] directhex:how i can build my own distro.? [15:55] bujji: what do you think that actually means? [15:55] bujji: what is your understanding of what a distro is, and what it contains? [15:56] and in what way do you want to deviate from what already exists? [15:57] directhex:how i can build this ubuntu dtribuion [15:58] what would you like to do to ubuntu? add things? remove things? change existing things? [15:58] directhex: I think the line is somewhat blurry - I suggest that the difference between spin and distro is 1) philosophical and personal, 2) dependant on how much you change from a base distro if you're subclassing [15:58] LFS actually isn't a bad suggestion for bujji I think [15:59] shauno: \o/ [15:59] shauno: you don't know that. they haven't made it even slightly clear what they want to achieve [15:59] directhex: he's a regular offender [15:59] Donald Trump running for president, apparently [15:59] I've been talking to him on and off for days now. I'm pretty convinced he's not actually trying to achieve anything, just trying to understand as much as he can [16:00] at least this time it's actually on-topic rather than random financial questions [16:00] lol. [16:00] i missed those [16:01] diddledan:offender..am did anything wrong? [16:01] bujji: no, it's just a turn-of-phrase [16:04] shauno:yes,i am knowing things...if i know then can apply..you people already did some of the things you can suggest me the way to achieve )) [16:09] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9K-iUJgFhWA [16:13] and off he goes [16:18] "what exactly are you trying to achieve" is *such* a hard question for beginners @_@ [16:19] I genuinely thing he's not trying to achieve anything [16:20] we spent *hours* going over hardlinks and symlinks without the slightest hint of practical application [16:20] I suggest that sometimes it's important to work out what you can get away with not knowing [16:21] i.e. I've never looked at kernel development because I don't need to know about it [16:22] that "i.e." would probably read better as an "e.g." :-) === alan_g is now known as alan_g|EOD [17:18] ok, question, form my research, messaging in ubuntu touch uses telepathy, so why not just add the telepathy xmpp modules, could work? [17:26] could you try rephrasing that? [17:29] sudo aptitude install telepathy-gabble [17:31] brobostigon: are you in the right window or are you losing the arguement with yourself ;) [17:32] davmor2: wouldnt that work though, because if messaging picks up on telepathy, adding that, would give it that ability? [17:34] brobostigon: we have no idea what you want to do. Yes you can add it you then need a client to use it ie empathy, then you need to talk to accounts to use it which means you need to install accounts-gabble or something like that [17:35] the telepathy stuff is just backend [17:36] I'm surprised xmpp isn't availble in empathy already [17:36] afaict it should be default [17:37] brobostigon: APT-Manual-Installed: yes on apt show telepathy-gabble [17:37] davmor2: good point, i am aiming for xmpp to show, ie, you add an xmpp acount like the other, and then messages from said xmpp to show in messages. [17:37] brobostigon: so open empathy [17:37] others* [17:37] brobostigon: add your account and done [17:38] brobostigon: it's installed by default [17:38] brobostigon: right next :) [17:38] davmor2: so i can run empathy on ubuntu touch? [17:38] brobostigon: you said nothing about ubuntu touch [17:39] 17:18:34 < brobostigon> ok, question, form my research, messaging in ubuntu touch uses telepathy, so why not just add the telepathy xmpp modules, could work? [17:39] i did, [17:39] it was literally the first line ^ [17:39] brobostigon: oh sorry my mistake misread it [17:39] davmor2: no worries. [17:40] brobostigon: no you would still need a client. there is no chat client [17:40] so a more interesting question, is can we rip the excellent skype/empathy libraries from an N900 and use those on ubuntu touch? [17:40] ali1234: possibly [17:40] davmor2: thats what i am trying to solve, and make it consistant with the rest of the messaging. [17:41] in theory that's the whole point of empathy [17:41] makes all the different chat services appear in one place [17:41] brobostigon: so theoretically it's possible [17:42] davmor2: thats what i thought, and am thinking of ways to achieve it. [17:43] wait [17:43] i'm getting them mixed up [17:43] telepathy is the lib, empathy is the ui? [17:43] ali1234: yes [17:43] so does ubuntu touch have a telepathy UI by default? [17:44] because, it would be better, to not have a seperate xmpp client, but have everything consistantly together, rather than to seperate apps for the same job. [17:44] maybe empathy, maybe something else? [17:46] grr @ putin - gonna ADD 40 additional nuclear ballistics [17:47] * brobostigon is making a list, of issues he needs to file. [17:50] * brobostigon likes making lists. [17:51] * diddledan adds brobostigon to "the list" [17:51] (people I'm going to murdorise) [17:51] :-p [17:51] * brobostigon is all sad now, he dont want to be murdered. [17:51] well it serves you right for making lists :-D [17:52] eh, :) [17:52] everyone who makes lists gets on my list of people to bump-off [17:52] does that include david cameron? [17:52] defo [17:52] * brobostigon approves. [17:53] he's the worst list-maker [17:53] just make sure to put yourself at the bottom of your own list. if you're at the top it doesn't work so well [17:53] oh. [17:53] hmm. [17:53] dammit. [17:54] ffs. der spiegel is reporting that websites are responsible for insults made by their users [17:55] :/ [17:55] http://www.spiegel.de/netzwelt/netzpolitik/gerichtshof-urteilt-zu-beleidigungen-in-nutzerforen-a-1039058.html [17:55] that's ridiculous [17:55] it's also germany that's insisting that copyright means that if I want to link to der spiegel I've got to pay der spiegel for the privilege [17:56] so I owe them monies for the link I just popped above [17:57] o_O graham clueless is suggesting emoji passwords as a solution to someone guessing your password [17:58] (beware, I am about to owe someone else monies for linking!): http://www.tripwire.com/state-of-security/security-data-protection/could-emoji-passwords-be-safer-for-online-bank-users/ === hamitron_ is now known as hamitron [18:01] * knightwise thinks what the emoji for "piece of sh*t-pizza" would look like [18:02] surely that's just a combo of the "pizza slice" emoji with the "pile of poo" emoji? [18:03] 💩🍕? [18:03] >.< [18:03] I can't read that [18:03] windows ftl [18:03] that's okay. you have no functional requirement to read my passwords :) [18:04] (and emoji passwords don't need some fantastic tech someone has to announce. just handle utf properly) [18:05] i'd be interested if by people constructing a story would introduce a statistical bias and thus weakness [18:05] I really don't understand why websites and such don't just pass the raw data into the encyprtion routines instead of insisting that they be valid ascii [18:06] my theory is the harder systems try to be clever, the harder they go wrong [18:06] like claiming my 22-digit passwords aren't secure because they don't contain letters. or worse, that they're too long [18:06] shauno: isn't that just restating systems theory [18:07] I hate those systems that claim for a secure password I must not use symbols and be less than 15 characters [18:09] cough verified by visa [18:10] banning non-alphanumerics irritates me the most [18:10] 7-bit ASCII only! [18:11] ali1234: telepathy and mission-control are on the phone and desktop by default [18:12] brobostigon: in theory you could include telepathy-gable and make a basic chat client window that talks to it [18:13] davmor2: thats what i had in mind as well. [18:43] brobostigon: there is talk of adding functions to the messaging app as a kinda all in one chat client and the same for telepathy-sofiasip and the dialer app but I have no idea how far off that is [18:44] davmor2: thats an interesting idea. [19:03] davmor2: do us normals humans, have a chance to look at all this? [19:04] normal* [19:04] Hey folks, I created /etc/init/deluged.conf and now sudo service deluged start says unrecognized service, any ideas? [19:04] is there something Ihave to do to make upstart aware of it? [19:04] Azelphur: yes... I think so [19:05] but I'm on a systemd machine atm so I can't really check === Azelphur is now known as `Azelphur === `Azelphur is now known as Azelphur [20:31] chris evans is the jeremy clarkson replacement? [20:31] *entire [20:32] yep. [20:32] apparently. [20:36] WELCOME TO GINGER TOPGEAR [20:41] lolx v.x~ [20:41] ~ = infinate. [20:58] http://paste.ubuntu.com/11727205/ - what's making grub-mkconfig trip up on each of the functions within /etc/default/grub ? http://paste.ubuntu.com/11727153/ [20:59] (i refer to line 27's return code 127) [21:26] daftykins: what's in /etc/default/grub? [21:26] daftykins: it should be bash script [21:26] http://paste.ubuntu.com/11727153/ [21:26] this apparently :S [21:26] yeah that looks wrong [21:27] hang on, let me boot an ubuntu [21:27] yeah somehow this user has had the file substitute the normal looking 'grub' [21:28] somehow being they either did something wrong or followed incorrect advice [21:28] http://paste.ubuntu.com/11727334/ [21:28] that's mine [21:29] *nod* gonna throw in a default and run sudo update-grub i think [21:37] dangit [21:37] diddledan: yep replace and update-grub sorted it [21:37] diddledan: Lenovo X1 Carbon clean install - https://www.dropbox.com/s/ddj93shalr5m9v5/IMG_20150616_223246.jpg?dl=0 [21:37] :D [21:38] jaybers [22:39] hmm: http://www.novatech.co.uk/products/monitors/4kuhdmonitors/210-acok.html [22:41] if it's TN - don't touch, if it's IPS - go ahead [22:41] ah hit spec page [22:41] TN? [22:41] yep that's TN, that'll suck [22:41] Twisted Neumatic, a type of LCD [22:42] they're the ones where the colours invert very quickly at different viewing angles [22:42] so they're only good when looking straight on [22:42] In Plane Switching (IPS) are way better from all angles === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away [23:07] heh was just looking up videos of this French telco to find out how you pronounce it [23:07] off the islands here you can sometimes see "FR Bouygues" [23:08] "bogeys" [23:08] no :P [23:08] though that's what a client was claiming XD [23:09] yes, but it annoys them [23:09] seems they just say 'Bwee'