[01:29] <daftykins> Sony E3 briefing, hmm
[01:29] <daftykins> this No Man's Sky looks fun
[01:33] <diddledan> hmm, not sure about jupiter ascending. an interesting concept but I think it's more a prelude to a sequal than a movie in it's own right
[01:33] <diddledan> very procedural
[01:34] <diddledan> fun watch if you don't think about it tho
[01:35] <diddledan> it's got some nice music however
[01:37] <daftykins> :>
[01:37] <daftykins> that's on my list
[01:37] <diddledan> next-up methinks will be "kite"
[01:38] <diddledan> ref: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2044801/
[01:53] <diddledan> this looks intriguing: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt3244512/
[06:31] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls
[06:34] <knightwise> morning brobostigon
[06:35] <brobostigon> morning knightwise
[06:35]  * brobostigon has a funeral to go to this morning, so is getting his suit ready.
[06:37]  * knightwise wears a suit allmost every day 
[06:38]  * brobostigon doesnt get to wear one that often. it feels abit strange.
[06:41]  * brobostigon also needs to find out a way, of pushing irssi notification to ubuntu touch in real time.
[06:42] <knightwise> hmm.. still need to go "full ubuntu phone" for a week and see how that works out for me
[06:42] <knightwise> but i'm a bit scared to do so µ
[06:42] <knightwise> I run my company off my phone
[06:45] <brobostigon> similerly, there are some curcial features required, like i mentioned above, most of my communication run through irssi.
[06:45] <brobostigon> crucial*
[06:46] <knightwise> Calendar , mail , contacts
[06:46] <knightwise> those are the three most important ones
[06:46] <brobostigon> yes.
[06:48] <brobostigon> pebble support would be good too, :)
[06:48] <knightwise> + i cant always rely on a data connection. Sometimes i'm abroad
[06:48] <knightwise> then some "offline syncing" would be nice
[06:48] <knightwise> cant always lean on html5 apps
[06:49] <brobostigon> definatly.
[06:50] <knightwise> But i love the battery life. and perhaps the absence of all those (mostly distracting) apps is not such a bad thing after all.
[06:51] <knightwise> Counting down the days untill my Dell XPS gets here
[06:52] <brobostigon> :) hehe
[06:52] <knightwise> been playing on the Surface Pro I use for my meetings; Also not a bad machine
[07:21] <MooDoo> morning all
[07:22] <knightwise> hey MooDoo
[07:22] <brobostigon> morning MooDoo
[07:32] <brobostigon> now heres an idea, integrate xmpp/fb-messenger/hangouts/etc into messaging on ubuntu touch?
[08:07] <diplo> brobostigon, pidgin or jitsi can do that? Then again fb messenger and hangouts don't have public apis anymore ?
[08:07] <brobostigon> diplo: ok, let me see if they have ports to ubuntu touch.
[08:08] <diplo> I've seen people talking about it, that was a few weeks/month ago
[08:08] <diplo> But not seen any code
[08:08] <brobostigon> ok,
[08:15] <awilkins> diplo, Google chat still works for me from bitlbee (which I think is using XMPP)
[08:18] <awilkins> Although I'm told this is because there is a bridge from Google Talk to Hangouts
[08:30] <davmor2> Morning all
[08:55] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Fresh Veggies Day! 😃
[08:55] <MartijnVdS> ewww veggies
[08:56] <JamesTait> Funny that I just spent an hour in the garden.
[09:02] <davmor2> JamesTait: sunbathing isn't anything to do with fresh veg, nor is a water fight with the kids :P
[09:03] <JamesTait> Awww. :(
[09:06] <MartijnVdS> 🍆
[09:07] <popey> Happy birthday AlanBell
[09:11] <davmor2> Hippo Birdy Indeed Mr Bell :)
[09:16] <SuperMatt> http://devopsreactions.tumblr.com/post/121661216099/the-new-kernel-is-here
[09:25] <foobarry> SuperMatt: every post on that tumbler is brilliant
[09:26] <foobarry> http://devopsreactions.tumblr.com/post/118933329057/bash-ls-command-not-found
[09:35] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[09:41] <SuperMatt> foobarry: I've had that one. not fun.
[09:42] <SuperMatt> it generally means that someone has done something remarkably messy
[09:43] <SuperMatt> as someone did the other day "mv / /home"
[09:45] <directhex> http://www.kotaku.co.uk/2015/06/16/ouyas-been-bought-out-by-razer
[09:46] <popey> indeed
[09:46] <davmor2> bigcalm: hey dude, how's life
[09:46] <bigcalm> Hi davmor2. Today it is noisey. Workmen are installing a pod of 6 desks at our office
[09:47] <davmor2> bigcalm: you expanding or something?
[09:47] <bigcalm> davmor2: looks like it
[09:47] <bigcalm> Hotdesking I believe
[09:49] <foobarry> what do lego call it?
[09:49] <foobarry> found some of that programme a bit :-|
[09:50] <foobarry> i suppose when you hire fans it can get rather cult-ish (google, lego, apple, etc)
[09:51] <foobarry> and then when you control staff begaviour...
[09:57] <foobarry> directhex: before you bin your touchpad..i heard 5.x is out for it
[09:57] <directhex> ebayed that ages ago
[09:57] <foobarry> heh
[09:57] <foobarry> get anything for it?
[09:57] <foobarry> mine has damaged case where i replaced the screen
[09:58] <foobarry> and is really slow for some reason
[11:19] <neeetz> I get this error everytime Processing was halted because there were too many errors. E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) , looks like there is some python package reoved from the system
[11:28] <directhex> neeetz: sounds like an issue with your package database. fixable, but hard to do remotely. if you can pastebin *complete* messages, and obey instructions *precisely*, it can be fixed
[11:30] <neeetz> directhex:  http://paste.ubuntu.com/11724293/
[11:31] <directhex> hm. python-minimal missing
[11:32] <directhex> 14.04
[11:32] <directhex> 32 or 64 bit?
[11:33] <neeetz> directhex:  64
[11:33] <directhex> download http://es.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/p/python-defaults/python-minimal_2.7.5-5ubuntu3_amd64.deb and try installing it with "dpkg -i python-minimal_2.7.5-5ubuntu3_amd64.deb"
[11:34] <neeetz> directhex:  dpkg won't work
[11:35] <directhex> remember what i said about complete messages?
[11:36] <neeetz> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11724293/
[11:36] <neeetz> directhex:  i posted it
[11:36] <neeetz> :/
[11:36] <neeetz> directhex:  when i run dpkg
[11:36] <directhex> that's the output from "dpkg -i python-minimal_2.7.5-5ubuntu3_amd64.deb" ?
[11:37] <directhex> because to me, something beginning "Reading package lists... Done" is output from apt, not dpkg
[11:43] <neeetz> directhex:  done
[11:43] <neeetz> directhex:  i did dpkg , it installed
[11:44] <neeetz> directhex:  but when i do apt-get update , same error
[11:45] <directhex> update or upgrade?
[11:46] <directhex> i'm going to go and do my exercise in about 5 minutes. you have until then before i disappear for an hour
[11:48] <knightwise> damn. I just upgraded mps-youtube on my raspberry and now i'm getting a bunch of errors :(
[11:49] <knightwise> http://pastebin.com/iKkiv9wS
[11:49] <popey> maybe install python-requests
[11:50] <knightwise> giving it a try
[11:51] <knightwise> nope :( same error
[11:51] <knightwise> hmm. i did the upgrade via pip install so .. it should work
[11:53] <popey> oh, no idea then
[11:53] <popey> you probably need to pip install some other nonsense then
[11:54] <knightwise> hmmm.. i'll check again.
[12:02] <knightwise> Found it. Needed to install newer version of pip
[12:03] <knightwise> pip-3.2 instead of "regular" pip
[14:05] <diddledan> quiet in here today
[14:06]  * zmoylan-pi waters the tumbleweed and listens to coyotes in distance...
[14:08] <diddledan> so I want a 4k display
[14:08] <diddledan> :-p
[14:08] <diddledan> hidpi ftw
[14:10] <zmoylan-pi> then get mame running and play space invaders in 4k...
[14:12] <diddledan> does mame do upscaling?
[14:13] <zmoylan-pi> it's not about the res it's about doing something silly to annoy others :-P
[14:13] <diddledan> lol
[14:13] <zmoylan-pi> make sure to point out the dolby system... :-D
[14:14] <diddledan> dolby +adlib
[14:14] <diddledan> i.e. adlib card emulation ouput on a dolby surround system
[14:15] <zmoylan-pi> bonus points for getting zx spectrum games running on that rig... :-)
[14:52] <daftykins> just unboxed a Lenovo X1 carbon :O
[14:53] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/sh/e83vhve5shdm93f/AADzIc9NZrlUiK-Oer-nBlkCa?dl=
[14:53] <diddledan> win7?
[14:53] <daftykins> yeah it shipped with a downgrade
[14:53] <daftykins> Lenovo won't ship to us down here, so i had to go to dabs - they and most etailers seem to sell the win7 downgrade models
[14:54] <diddledan> well that's silly
[14:54] <diddledan> win8.1 is the new shiny :-p
[14:54] <daftykins> it's a turd and business knows it
[14:54] <diplo> Anyone tried Win10 preview ?
[14:54] <daftykins> but it will be better for this machine, given this is one of the WQHD models :o
[14:54] <daftykins> diplo: yep been using it for a long time
[14:55] <daftykins> been through 3 or 4 builds
[14:55] <diddledan> I'm on it right now
[14:55] <diddledan> I've been using it since the first release
[14:56] <diplo> Just debating whether to get the upgrade on work laptop or just leave it on 7
[14:56] <daftykins> no point taking action now, it'll be available for a year
[14:57] <daftykins> i suspect the upgrade installs will cause some drama for some :)
[14:57] <diddledan> and rtm will be out in 6 weeks
[15:03] <shauno> anyone in / overly familiar with southampton?
[15:06] <diplo> Not overly but can drive around it and through parts of it.. if you want street names no
[15:06] <diplo> :)
[15:07] <daftykins> :D
[15:07] <daftykins> i've flown in a few times over the years!
[15:07] <shauno> trying to figure my chances of getting from the airport to hamble in ~30 minutes
[15:07] <daftykins> well the train station is right beside, if that's any good to you
[15:07] <shauno> so mostly "how bad is the m27 at 10am on a friday"
[15:08] <shauno> yeah I was looking at that, but the train out from there is every 20 minutes
[15:08] <shauno> so it could be perfect, or I could be quite late, depending on which end of "every 20 minutes" I hit
[15:09] <diplo> shauno: M27 is fine at that sort of time imo
[15:09] <diplo> Any time between 7:30~ and 9 it's awful
[15:09] <shauno> hm.  I may chance it then
[15:10] <shauno> trying to decide if a taxi that morning will be quick enough, or if I have to arrive the night before and find somewhere to crash.  and it's close
[15:13] <ging> is there a way to get newer intel graphic driver on ubuntu 14.04 without upgrading to 14.10 ?
[15:14] <diddledan> why?
[15:14] <diddledan> you can install the HWE
[15:14] <diddledan> that's about it
[15:14] <ging> there is some drm problem which keeps shutting down the screen on my laptop
[15:17] <diddledan> drm as in digital restrictions management?
[15:17] <daftykins> ging: have you confirmed it's resolved in a newer mainline kernel?
[15:18] <ging> daftykins: no am just hoping new drivers would fix it
[15:18] <daftykins> ging: well that's what you'd get by throwing a newer kernel on to test :)
[15:18] <daftykins> !mainline
[15:18] <daftykins> maybe do a backup, try one... see if it solves anything
[15:20] <ging> daftykins: i've done nothing, it's a standard install
[15:21] <ging> there was a tool from intel which installs the latest drivers, except for some reason they only do it for the lastest distro
[15:21] <diddledan> DON'T DO THAT
[15:21] <ging> they have withdrawn the 14.04 one
[15:22] <diddledan> hardware drivers direct from the manufacturer invariably mess-up ubuntu - only use drivers provided by the ubuntu repos
[15:25] <daftykins> ging: never run any of those intel installers :P
[15:27] <directhex> i know who writes the intel installer
[15:27] <directhex> he's a good dev
[15:29] <ging> do you know why they revoke the old ones?
[15:30] <ging> seems a bit odd, unless they become redundant because the latest working driver gets build in
[15:32] <daftykins> directhex: does that change it being wise to apply to an ubuntu installation?
[15:32] <directhex> it should be harmless if it's not helpful
[15:33] <directhex> ging: bingo
[15:33] <daftykins> just gets peoples systems into a mess when trying to help in #ubuntu
[15:38] <diplo> https://letsencrypt.org/2015/06/16/lets-encrypt-launch-schedule.html
[15:41] <TwistedLucidity> diplo: Woo!
[15:43] <diddledan> nice that "A cross-signature from IdenTrust will be in place for general availability, so that our certificates will validate automatically for the vast majority of consumers." - means they don't need to wait for beaurocracy of the various browsers
[15:51] <bujji> how i can build my won distro?
[15:52] <directhex> if you need to ask...
[15:52] <diddledan> bujji: www.linuxfromscratch.com
[15:52] <diddledan> or maybe .org
[15:52] <bujji> .com is not working
[15:53] <diddledan> if you mean "spin of ubuntu" then that's not creating your own distro
[15:53] <bujji> spin of ubunntu ?
[15:53] <directhex> diddledan: is steamos a distro? where's the line?
[15:54] <directhex> bujji: what do you *actually* want to achieve, exactly?
[15:54] <diddledan> directhex: I guess the line is if you're providing custom packages or not
[15:54] <directhex> diddledan: add one PPA to the defaults, you count as a distro?
[15:54] <diddledan> directhex: no
[15:55] <bujji> directhex:how i can build my own distro.?
[15:55] <directhex> bujji: what do you think that actually means?
[15:55] <directhex> bujji: what is your understanding of what a distro is, and what it contains?
[15:56] <directhex> and in what way do you want to deviate from what already exists?
[15:57] <bujji> directhex:how i can build this ubuntu dtribuion
[15:58] <directhex> what would you like to do to ubuntu? add things? remove things? change existing things?
[15:58] <diddledan> directhex: I think the line is somewhat blurry - I suggest that the difference between spin and distro is 1) philosophical and personal, 2) dependant on how much you change from a base distro if you're subclassing
[15:58] <shauno> LFS actually isn't a bad suggestion for bujji I think
[15:59] <diddledan> shauno: \o/
[15:59] <directhex> shauno: you don't know that. they haven't made it even slightly clear what they want to achieve
[15:59] <diddledan> directhex: he's a regular offender
[15:59] <bashrc> Donald Trump running for president, apparently
[15:59] <shauno> I've been talking to him on and off for days now.  I'm pretty convinced he's not actually trying to achieve anything, just trying to understand as much as he can
[16:00] <diddledan> at least this time it's actually on-topic rather than random financial questions
[16:00] <daftykins> lol.
[16:00] <daftykins> i missed those
[16:01] <bujji> diddledan:offender..am  did anything wrong?
[16:01] <diddledan> bujji: no, it's just a turn-of-phrase
[16:04] <bujji> shauno:yes,i am knowing things...if i know then  can apply..you people already did some of the things you can suggest me the way to achieve ))
[16:09] <bujji> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9K-iUJgFhWA
[16:13] <daftykins> and off he goes
[16:18] <directhex> "what exactly are you trying to achieve" is *such* a hard question for beginners @_@
[16:19] <shauno> I genuinely thing he's not trying to achieve anything
[16:20] <shauno> we spent *hours* going over hardlinks and symlinks without the slightest hint of practical application
[16:20] <diddledan> I suggest that sometimes it's important to work out what you can get away with not knowing
[16:21] <diddledan> i.e. I've never looked at kernel development because I don't need to know about it
[16:22] <diddledan> that "i.e." would probably read better as an "e.g." :-)
[17:18] <brobostigon> ok, question, form my research, messaging in ubuntu touch uses telepathy, so why not just add the telepathy xmpp modules, could work?
[17:26] <diddledan> could you try rephrasing that?
[17:29] <brobostigon> sudo aptitude install telepathy-gabble
[17:31] <davmor2> brobostigon: are you in the right window or are you losing the arguement with yourself ;)
[17:32] <brobostigon> davmor2: wouldnt that work though, because if messaging picks up on telepathy, adding that, would give it that ability?
[17:34] <davmor2> brobostigon: we have no idea what you want to do. Yes you can add it you then need a client to use it ie empathy, then you need to talk to accounts to use it which means you need to install accounts-gabble or something like that
[17:35] <davmor2> the telepathy stuff is just backend
[17:36] <diddledan> I'm surprised xmpp isn't availble in empathy already
[17:36] <diddledan> afaict it should be default
[17:37] <davmor2> brobostigon: APT-Manual-Installed: yes on apt show telepathy-gabble
[17:37] <brobostigon> davmor2: good point, i am aiming for xmpp to show, ie, you add an xmpp acount like the other, and then messages from said xmpp to show in messages.
[17:37] <davmor2> brobostigon: so open empathy
[17:37] <brobostigon> others*
[17:37] <davmor2> brobostigon: add your account and done
[17:38] <davmor2> brobostigon: it's installed by default
[17:38] <davmor2> brobostigon: right next :)
[17:38] <brobostigon> davmor2: so i can run empathy on ubuntu touch?
[17:38] <davmor2> brobostigon: you said nothing about ubuntu touch
[17:39] <brobostigon> 17:18:34 < brobostigon> ok, question, form my research, messaging in ubuntu touch uses telepathy, so why not  just add the telepathy xmpp modules, could work?
[17:39] <brobostigon> i did,
[17:39] <ali1234> it was literally the first line ^
[17:39] <davmor2> brobostigon: oh sorry my mistake misread it
[17:39] <brobostigon> davmor2: no worries.
[17:40] <davmor2> brobostigon: no you would still need a client.  there is no chat client
[17:40] <ali1234> so a more interesting question, is can we rip the excellent skype/empathy libraries from an N900 and use those on ubuntu touch?
[17:40] <davmor2> ali1234: possibly
[17:40] <brobostigon> davmor2: thats what i am trying to solve, and make it consistant with the rest of the messaging.
[17:41] <ali1234> in theory that's the whole point of empathy
[17:41] <ali1234> makes all the different chat services appear in one place
[17:41] <davmor2> brobostigon: so theoretically it's possible
[17:42] <brobostigon> davmor2: thats what i thought, and am thinking of ways to achieve it.
[17:43] <ali1234> wait
[17:43] <ali1234> i'm getting them mixed up
[17:43] <ali1234> telepathy is the lib, empathy is the ui?
[17:43] <diddledan> ali1234: yes
[17:43] <ali1234> so does ubuntu touch have a telepathy UI by default?
[17:44] <brobostigon> because, it would be better, to not have a seperate xmpp client, but have everything consistantly together, rather than to seperate apps for the same job.
[17:44] <ali1234> maybe empathy, maybe something else?
[17:46] <diddledan> grr @ putin - gonna ADD 40 additional nuclear ballistics
[17:47]  * brobostigon is making a list, of issues he needs to file.
[17:50]  * brobostigon likes making lists.
[17:51]  * diddledan adds brobostigon to "the list"
[17:51] <diddledan> (people I'm going to murdorise)
[17:51] <diddledan> :-p
[17:51]  * brobostigon is all sad now, he dont want to be murdered.
[17:51] <diddledan> well it serves you right for making lists :-D
[17:52] <brobostigon> eh, :)
[17:52] <diddledan> everyone who makes lists gets on my list of people to bump-off
[17:52] <brobostigon> does that include david cameron?
[17:52] <diddledan> defo
[17:52]  * brobostigon approves.
[17:53] <diddledan> he's the worst list-maker
[17:53] <shauno> just make sure to put yourself at the bottom of your own list.  if you're at the top it doesn't work so well
[17:53] <diddledan> oh.
[17:53] <diddledan> hmm.
[17:53] <diddledan> dammit.
[17:54] <diddledan> ffs. der spiegel is reporting that websites are responsible for insults made by their users
[17:55] <daftykins> :/
[17:55] <diddledan> http://www.spiegel.de/netzwelt/netzpolitik/gerichtshof-urteilt-zu-beleidigungen-in-nutzerforen-a-1039058.html
[17:55] <daftykins> that's ridiculous
[17:55] <diddledan> it's also germany that's insisting that copyright means that if I want to link to der spiegel I've got to pay der spiegel for the privilege
[17:56] <diddledan> so I owe them monies for the link I just popped above
[17:57] <diddledan> o_O graham clueless is suggesting emoji passwords as a solution to someone guessing your password
[17:58] <diddledan> (beware, I am about to owe someone else monies for linking!): http://www.tripwire.com/state-of-security/security-data-protection/could-emoji-passwords-be-safer-for-online-bank-users/
[18:01]  * knightwise thinks what the emoji for "piece of sh*t-pizza" would look like
[18:02] <diddledan> surely that's just a combo of the "pizza slice" emoji with the "pile of poo" emoji?
[18:03] <shauno> 💩🍕?
[18:03] <diddledan> >.<
[18:03] <diddledan> I can't read that
[18:03] <diddledan> windows ftl
[18:03] <shauno> that's okay.  you have no functional requirement to read my passwords :)
[18:04] <shauno> (and emoji passwords don't need some fantastic tech someone has to announce.  just handle utf properly)
[18:05] <intrbiz> i'd be interested if by people constructing a story would introduce a statistical bias and thus weakness
[18:05] <diddledan> I really don't understand why websites and such don't just pass the raw data into the encyprtion routines instead of insisting that they be valid ascii
[18:06] <shauno> my theory is the harder systems try to be clever, the harder they go wrong
[18:06] <shauno> like claiming my 22-digit passwords aren't secure because they don't contain letters.  or worse, that they're too long
[18:06] <intrbiz> shauno: isn't that just restating systems theory
[18:07] <diddledan> I hate those systems that claim for a secure password I must not use symbols and be less than 15 characters
[18:09] <intrbiz> cough verified by visa
[18:10] <intrbiz> banning non-alphanumerics irritates me the most
[18:10] <MartijnVdS> 7-bit ASCII only!
[18:11] <davmor2> ali1234: telepathy and mission-control are on the phone and desktop by default
[18:12] <davmor2> brobostigon: in theory you could include telepathy-gable and make a basic chat client window that talks to it
[18:13] <brobostigon> davmor2: thats what i had in mind as well.
[18:43] <davmor2> brobostigon: there is talk of adding functions to the messaging app as a kinda all in one chat client and the same for telepathy-sofiasip and the dialer app but I have no idea how far off that is
[18:44] <brobostigon> davmor2: thats an interesting idea.
[19:03] <brobostigon> davmor2: do us normals humans, have a chance to look at all this?
[19:04] <brobostigon> normal*
[19:04] <Azelphur> Hey folks, I created /etc/init/deluged.conf and now sudo service deluged start says unrecognized service, any ideas?
[19:04] <Azelphur> is there something Ihave to do to make upstart aware of it?
[19:04] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: yes... I think so
[19:05] <MartijnVdS> but I'm on a systemd machine atm so I can't really check
[20:31] <diddledan_> chris evans is the jeremy clarkson replacement?
[20:31] <daftykins> *entire
[20:32] <brobostigon> yep.
[20:32] <brobostigon> apparently.
[20:36] <awilkins_> WELCOME TO GINGER TOPGEAR
[20:41] <brobostigon> lolx v.x~
[20:41] <brobostigon> ~ = infinate.
[20:58] <daftykins> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11727205/ - what's making grub-mkconfig trip up on each of the functions within /etc/default/grub ? http://paste.ubuntu.com/11727153/
[20:59] <daftykins> (i refer to line 27's return code 127)
[21:26] <diddledan_> daftykins: what's in /etc/default/grub?
[21:26] <diddledan_> daftykins: it should be bash script
[21:26] <daftykins> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11727153/
[21:26] <daftykins> this apparently :S
[21:26] <diddledan_> yeah that looks wrong
[21:27] <diddledan_> hang on, let me boot an ubuntu
[21:27] <daftykins> yeah somehow this user has had the file substitute the normal looking 'grub'
[21:28] <diddledan_> somehow being they either did something wrong or followed incorrect advice
[21:28] <diddledan_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11727334/
[21:28] <diddledan_> that's mine
[21:29] <daftykins> *nod* gonna throw in a default and run sudo update-grub i think
[21:37] <diddledan> dangit
[21:37] <daftykins> diddledan: yep replace and update-grub sorted it
[21:37] <daftykins> diddledan: Lenovo X1 Carbon clean install - https://www.dropbox.com/s/ddj93shalr5m9v5/IMG_20150616_223246.jpg?dl=0
[21:37] <daftykins> :D
[21:38] <diddledan> jaybers
[22:39] <diddledan> hmm: http://www.novatech.co.uk/products/monitors/4kuhdmonitors/210-acok.html
[22:41] <daftykins> if it's TN - don't touch, if it's IPS - go ahead
[22:41] <daftykins> ah hit spec page
[22:41] <diddledan> TN?
[22:41] <daftykins> yep that's TN, that'll suck
[22:41] <daftykins> Twisted Neumatic, a type of LCD
[22:42] <daftykins> they're the ones where the colours invert very quickly at different viewing angles
[22:42] <daftykins> so they're only good when looking straight on
[22:42] <daftykins> In Plane Switching (IPS) are way better from all angles
[23:07] <daftykins> heh was just looking up videos of this French telco to find out how you pronounce it
[23:07] <daftykins> off the islands here you can sometimes see "FR Bouygues"
[23:08] <ali1234> "bogeys"
[23:08] <daftykins> no :P
[23:08] <daftykins> though that's what a client was claiming XD
[23:09] <ali1234> yes, but it annoys them
[23:09] <daftykins> seems they just say 'Bwee'