[00:00] <platzhirsch> I'll go for 15.04 then, because it's newer
[00:01] <EriC^^> you'll have to upgrade in 7months
[00:01] <[Saint]> In that's your metric, install 15.10 :)
[00:01] <regedit> how can i install a later version of NVIDIA drivers?
[00:01] <[Saint]> EriC^^: he won't /have/ to.
[00:01] <[Saint]> *If that
[00:02] <regedit> the UI shows me 346.59, i'd like 349.12
[00:02] <EriC^^> [Saint]: are you here to argue or help dude?
[00:02] <platzhirsch> Probably there won't be an upgrade but a reinstall if it goes as well as this time
[00:02] <[Saint]> EriC^^: neither, but, if you saw misinformation, wouldn't you stomp on it too?
[00:03] <[Saint]> Is what I said untrue?
[00:03] <OerHeks> platzhirsch, check your VPN vendor, what images are available. usually they stick to LTS
[00:03] <platzhirsch> They offered me 15.04
[00:03] <platzhirsch> guess I'll take the LTS, seems more reasonbale for a server
[00:04] <EriC^^> [Saint]: if he doesn't upgrade he'll be running a server with an eol release
[00:04] <[Saint]> EriC^^: yes, that's true - but it doesn't mean he has to upgrade now does it?
[00:04] <[Saint]> want to? sure. have to? no.
[00:05] <EriC^^> [Saint]: lol
[00:05] <EriC^^> you're being impractical and illogical
[00:05] <EriC^^> and failing at being pedantic
[00:05] <EriC^^> just shut up.
[00:05] <platzhirsch> Calm down
[00:06] <[Saint]> I'm doing nothing but stating a fact hun.
[00:06] <platzhirsch> It's not that important
[00:06] <EriC^^> [Saint]: if you jump out of an airplane there's a 2187329871 chance you will survive
[00:06] <EriC^^> - Fact
[00:07] <platzhirsch> world of wonder
[00:07] <EriC^^> it *could* happen, maybe you have the skull of a superhuman ?
[00:07] <EriC^^> could it not?
[00:07] <bazhang> lets take this elsewhere Please
[00:07]  * [Saint] thinks about how deliciously ironic it is that EriC^^ now seems to be intentionally derailing the conversation and deliberately argumentative.
[00:07] <[Saint]> Well done.
[00:08] <bazhang> back on topic Please
[00:08] <platzhirsch> my machine is up and running with 14.04. Thanks for all the support
[00:08] <platzhirsch> *scares away from bazhang*
[00:08] <bazhang> not the channels for arguments, thats elsewhere
[00:12] <keith_> hello?
[00:12] <keith_> Im new to linux and need some help please
[00:13] <bazhang> !manual | keith_ have a read
[00:13] <Bashing-om> !ask | keith_ All ya got to do is ask :
[00:14] <keith_> Ok thanks. I have a Geforce GTX 970 GPU and have no idea on how to install all the drivers for it
[00:14] <Bashing-om> keith_: Depends, what release are we talking about ?
[00:15] <keith_> its the asus strix
[00:15] <[Saint]> I'm guessing you're not wanting the open drivers?
[00:15] <Bashing-om> keith_: And 14.04 ubuntu running on it ?
[00:16] <keith_> I dont even know lol. I'm just coming from windows so its a little confusing but i want to learn as much as i can
[00:16] <[Saint]> the easy route is System Settings - Software & Updates - Additional Drivers
[00:16] <keith_> I tried that but nothing shows up
[00:16] <keith_> i can try it again
[00:17] <OerHeks> The 343 driver supports that NV970 >> http://www.nvidia.com/download/driverResults.aspx/77844/en-us
[00:17] <Bashing-om> keith_: No problem, we were all new at one time, we get ya up to speed. So we want to know the 'buntu release. post back the output of terminal command 'cat /etc/issue ' . and we see what path we take to install a driver .
[00:18] <cyclonis> im getting unable to install chntpw on ubuntu 14.04
[00:18] <cyclonis> anyone seen this issue before
[00:18] <cyclonis> ?
[00:18] <keith_> elementary OS Freya
[00:18] <bazhang> #elementary keith_
[00:18] <OerHeks> !info chntpw
[00:18] <bazhang> its not supported here keith_
[00:19] <OerHeks> make sure you have universe repo enabled
[00:19] <Bashing-om> keith_: Hate to be the bearr of sad news, but EOS is not ubuntu. Seek support in their channel .
[00:19] <keith_> how do i go about that lol?
[00:19] <keith_> in software center?
[00:19] <EriC^^> keith_: type /join #elementary
[00:19] <Bashing-om> !elementary | keith_
[00:20] <keith_> k thanks guys
[00:20] <Bashing-om> KeithIMyers__: :) install ubuntu, and welcome back .
[00:21] <bazhang> he is gone
[00:21] <Bashing-om> ooopppsss .
[00:22] <convict_> #anonnet
[00:27] <cyclonis> when resetting the windows password do i need to download the desktop version or LTS
[00:27] <cyclonis> ?
[00:28] <f343nce> cyclonis: This a chroot to change the user password?
[00:28] <Bashing-om> cyclonis: Unclear; Do you mean to reset your username password ?
[00:30] <irong33k> hows everyone holding up their summer
[00:31] <f343nce> caffiene here
[00:31] <Nozdormu> Hola
[00:32] <irong33k> como esta ? :)
[00:34] <vlaght> sleep :3
[00:41] <gt8ost4l> anyone know how to save sessions in libre writer
[00:43] <f343nce> gt8ost4l: number of ways, can we have some context?
[00:44] <gt8ost4l> what do you mean by context
[00:44] <gt8ost4l> i just want libre write when i open it to go where i left off
[00:45] <f343nce> gt8ost4l: Than click the last document used
[00:46] <gt8ost4l> i did do that and still the same problem it just goes to the top
[00:47] <SudoMatt> trying to remove unused shortcuts in the sidebar and need to edit a config file.  where can I find ~/.config/user-dirs.dirs?
[00:47] <f343nce> gt8ost4l: what you want than is the cursor where you left it it seems, I think there is a libre channel here as well if needed, not sure myself.
[00:48] <gt8ost4l> is that channel active?
[00:50] <psusi> SudoMatt, asking "where do I find a file that is at this location" is a non question
[00:50] <Bashing-om> SudoMatt: "~/.config/user-dirs.dirs" where " user-dirs ' is the application name of reference .
[00:50] <f343nce> gt8ost4l: Lot of people in #libreoffice just a suggested option.
[00:51] <SudoMatt> Apologies.  for reference, please see askubuntu entry.  https://askubuntu.com/questions/79150/how-to-remove-bookmarks-from-the-nautilus-sidebar
[00:53] <f343nce> SudoMatt: If you want a gui pad run gksudo gedit /your destination
[00:56] <Bashing-om> SudoMatt: What is your end goal that requires to edit a .config file ?? And specific advise may be given .
[01:01] <Alives> whats the proper way to dhclient an ethernet nic in trusty and up now?
[01:02] <Alives> eth0: error fetching interface information: Device not found
[01:03] <jin7>  I create  a desktop file in ~/.local/share/applications. But it doesn't work.    Linux mint 17.1 cinnamon 32-bit.
[01:03] <jin7> only when I move ~/.local/share/applications/myfile.desktop to /usr/share/applications,can it  work.
[01:03] <somsip> !mint | jin7
[01:04] <jin7> OK
[01:04] <_cake> hello!
[01:05] <_cake> I just lost all my data! Do I install ubuntu or arch
[01:05] <Koyaanis> _cake I guess ubuntu.
[01:05] <Koyaanis> Since you alrealy are in the right channel :P
[01:05] <bazhang> its an ubuntu support channel _cake
[01:06] <_cake> I joined both #ubuntu and #archlinux
[01:06] <cyclonis> unable to log into windows after clearing the passwd using ubuntu
[01:06] <cyclonis> live cd
[01:06] <cyclonis> ughhh
[01:06] <bazhang> _cake install one, dont poll
[01:06] <cyclonis> user logon service failed
[01:06] <Koyaanis> Ah, well I like ubuntu, I don't even know arch :p
[01:06] <_cake> thanks bazhang
[01:06] <_cake> 10/10
[01:07] <[Saint]> SudoMatt: did you get it sorted out? There were a few non-answers, and one incorrect one. ~/.config/user-dirs.dirs is the exact path of the file you want, but you probably have your directory view set to not show hidden files and folders, which is the default. You can simply do "gedit ~/.config/user-dirs.dirs" to edit this file.
[01:08] <[Saint]> Or nano, or vi{m}, or whatever editor floats your boat.
[01:09] <[Saint]> SudoMatt: alternatively, you can select the "View" header and then select "Show hidden files"
[01:13] <[Saint]> Hmmmm.
[01:13] <[Saint]> What the? >.>
[01:13] <[Saint]> ~/.ecryptfs/auto-mount isn't present, yet, ~ is still getting automatically decrypted on local login.
[01:14] <[Saint]> bah.
[01:38] <xerox_> !list
[01:41] <SudoMatt> Saint: Sorry for the long delay, went down a rabbit hole learning more about Ubuntu.  I learned that "~/" is a shorthand for the current user's home folder.  Then, I had to learn how to find hidden files.  Once I did that, it was a piece of cake.  Thanks for following up
[01:43] <chegney> anyone used the minecraft server on azure marktplace?
[01:44] <SchrodingersScat> what is azure?
[01:44] <chegney> i cant find how it is being started on boot
[01:44] <OerHeks> Azure is windows cloud.
[01:44] <chegney> microsoft azure
[01:44] <Bashing-om> SudoMatt: :) You do good work .
[01:44] <chegney> its a server runig ubuntu
[01:45] <chegney> cant find where minecraft server is being started
[01:45] <chegney> its not a service
[01:46] <chegney> any ideas where I cood loo>
[01:46] <chegney> look
[01:46] <OerHeks> chegney, what tutorial did you follow for that minecraftserver?
[01:47] <chegney> didn't follow a tutorial, there is already a sere on the marketplace
[01:48] <backbox> hi
[01:48] <OerHeks> I have a slight idea that this is not running on ubuntu, as we do not have marketplace.
[01:49] <chegney> i know, it's teh windows azure marketplace
[01:49] <chegney> but it i an ubuntu vm
[01:49] <chegney> lts 14.04
[01:54] <OerHeks> chegney, i think you need to contact the author of that image, their site says: connect to it using the DNS name (e.g. name.cloudapp.net) of the virtual machine on port 25565. http://azure.microsoft.com/en-us/marketplace/partners/microsoft/minecraftserver/
[01:55] <SudoMatt> Should I install flash on my machine?  I see they stopped supporting Linux and I hear it's buggy/full of security holes.  Can I do without it?
[01:56] <OerHeks> SudoMatt, install restricted extras, it gives adobe-flashplugin installer and codecs and such
[01:56] <OerHeks> i use chrome with build-in pepperflash
[01:57] <xangua> SudoMatt: should or you should not, only you can answer that. Flash for linux will continue to get security updates up until 2017 or you can just (sight) install Google Chrome
[01:57] <SudoMatt> Oh Chrome...how I love/hate thee
[01:59] <B0g4r7> I had one machine where running Flash tended to hang the entire OS.  Then I've had others that were just fine running it.
[02:00] <OerHeks> B0g4r7, results may vary, depending on the GPU/driver
[02:01] <Guest88183> if a laptop is encypted(fully) will it slow down access to those files?
[02:01] <OerHeks> Guest88183, yes. Not sure how to measure the difference, but surely it takes more time
[02:01] <Guest88183> also would logging in and startup time increase aswell?
[02:02] <OerHeks> Guest88183, yes.
[02:02] <Guest88183> ok thanks
[02:03] <B0g4r7> Guest88183, slow down would depend on a number of factors.  If the CPU were fast and mostly idle while the disk was slow, there may be no noticeable difference.  You get the idea.
[02:03] <OerHeks> If it was faster than unencrypted, i would be surprised.
[02:03] <Guest88183> but for a laptop, probably would be difference in the average laptop
[02:03] <B0g4r7> On a laptop you would almost surely have a reduction in battery cycle time.
[02:03] <Guest88183> also would algorithm change tht time needed for boot?
[02:04] <Guest88183> ie stronger encryption will need more time?
[02:04] <B0g4r7> It could.
[02:05] <B0g4r7> Some CPUs have special instructions to accelerate AES operations (Intel AES-NI.)
[02:05] <izinucs> driver management says I'm using Broadcom BCM4313 wireless adaptor and the bcmwl-kernel-source .. the other option is "Processor microcode firmware for IntelCPUs from intel-microcode" . What's my better functioning option?
[02:07] <Guest88183> and when i am encrypting in linux luks would be used right?
[02:07] <OerHeks> izinucs, microcode firmware does not affect working BCM43xx  AFAIK
[02:08] <chegney> yeah that's the site for the server on the marketplace and gives zero information on the configuration
[02:08] <B0g4r7> Guest88183, you would likely use dm-crypt, with or without LUKS.  LUKS will probably make things easier.
[02:08] <chegney> is there a good site that talkes about systemd configuration that would hellp
[02:08] <chegney> me understand where it is being started
[02:08] <Guest88183> thanks, will look into that
[02:08] <izinucs> OerHeks: then I'm confused .. the system is presenting an either or option for the wireless adaptor.
[02:08] <chegney> does't look like it was started by systemctl
[02:09] <OerHeks> chegney, we didn'tprovide that minecraft image, nor can we test it ( without azure) and 14.04 does not come with SystemD
[02:10] <OerHeks> izinucs, BCM43xx driver is appart from microcode.
[02:11] <izinucs> so is microcode for intel video or something else?
[02:12] <OerHeks> izinucs, no, for your CPU
[02:12] <chegney> really? because systemctl is available and that is how sshd is controled
[02:12] <OerHeks> Theer is an AMD version too, if you happen to have an AMD cpu
[02:13] <OerHeks> chegney, that confuses me, and we have no answer to azure images, it is beyond our control and support
[02:13] <doublethinker> hello. i'm having trouble updating with software updater
[02:14] <chegney> not asking you to support, just advice on where things start at boot
[02:14] <izinucs> OerHeks: ok.. I enabled it.
[02:15] <promet> Hi, I need to downgrade a package (ant). I purged the current version, and am trying to use "apt-get install ant=<version_#>, but I can't seem to find the right string for the earlier package. Is there a way to determine this? I've checked repo lists and ant page, for release number but they're pretty convoluted and not resolving.
[02:16] <promet> I had 1.9.4, but it's causing problems and would like to go back to, maybe 1.9.0?
[02:18] <promet> also, while I'm asking, I'd like to "lock" this version so apt-get update, etc. doesn't change it
[02:20] <Bashing-om> promet: 14.04 ' apt-cache show ant ' >> Version: 1.9.3-2build . Will that work for ya ?
[02:20] <OerHeks> https://launchpad.net/ant/+packages
[02:21] <doublethinker> Bashing-om, I'm having the same issue I asked about before
[02:23] <Bashing-om> doublethinker: Let's look: ' sudo apt-get update ; sudo apt-get upgrade ' into the pastebin .
[02:23] <promet> Bashing-om, thank you, let me give that a go
[02:23] <promet> OerHeks, thanks
[02:24] <Bashing-om> !pin | promet
[02:27] <promet> Bashing-om, OerHeks, using "sudo apt-get install ant=1.9.3-2build" I get "E: Version '1.9.3-2build' for 'ant' was not found" is my syntax wrong?
[02:27] <promet> I am on 15.04, btw...
[02:28] <Bashing-om> promet: ' apt-get install ant ' should install version  1.9.3-2build if you are on release 14.04 .
[02:28] <promet> Bashing-om, !pin got you, thanks!
[02:28] <Bashing-om> sudo apt-get install **
[02:28] <promet> Bashing-om, 15.04 actually, am I borked?
[02:28] <OerHeks> promet, you will need to download the package manually, and install it with dpkg -i <package>.deb
[02:29] <promet> OerHeks, roger that, Bashing-om and then !pin it, yes?
[02:30] <doublethinker> Bashing-om, i've run that and then run the software updater again and it still lists the updates
[02:31] <Bashing-om> promet: That will work . I do not see that "ant" is available in 15.04 however . I would not think in that event that pinning to be an issue .
[02:33] <Bashing-om> doublethinker: yeah, but I want to see those outputs to know where the error is ' sudo apt-get update | pastebinit ; sudo apt-get upgrade | pastbinit ' . Then we may have an idea of waht to do .
[02:56] <ordnas> hellu
[03:04] <wafflej0ck> anyone got systemjs with Jasmine, it doesn't seem to be firing the beforeEach calls anymore, not sure what to do
[03:08] <wafflej0ck> ah sorry wrong chat
[03:11] <regedit> is it possible / ok to install latest NVIDIA drivers downloaded diretly from NVIDIA? or is it best to stick to distro provided
[03:12] <Bashing-om> regedit: Nvidia site is not directly supported here, AND can you cope with re-installing the driver each time the kernel and Xorg is updated ?
[03:13] <regedit> must i?
[03:13] <regedit> what is this Driver Manager (in Kubuntu)
[03:14] <Bashing-om> If you install from Nvidia's site, then yes you must. As the driver buildt againt the present kernel will break with the new kernel install .
[03:14] <regedit> hm
[03:14] <Bashing-om> regedit: If you stick with the repo, the system will take care of it .
[03:14] <Guest73405> who
[03:15] <regedit> Bashing-om: i see, thanks for explaining!
[03:16] <Bashing-om> regedit: If you can cope with the breakage, you are welcome to test Nvidia's driver .
[03:28] <xentity1x> can anyone help me figure out why no audio is being sent to my bluetooth speaker
[03:28] <svetlana> because it's connected
[03:39] <JinjaNinja> Are there any patches to fix an error with my AMD processor upon wakeup? Sometimes when I wake up my computer there's like, a command prompt that issues a little error of some sort, then it goes away
[03:43] <vnmsdfsidf> how do I remove gdm and lightdm from ubuntu?
[03:43] <vnmsdfsidf> i dont want any display managers
[03:43] <EriC^> vnmsdfsidf: why?
[03:43] <vnmsdfsidf> EriC^: cause I dont want them
[03:44] <cfhowlett> vnmsdfsidf, ubuntu server has no DM
[03:44] <vnmsdfsidf> i have ubuntu minimal
[03:44] <vnmsdfsidf> when i install xorg it installs gdm and doesnt let me remove
[03:44] <EriC^> vnmsdfsidf: you can boot to text if you want
[03:44] <vnmsdfsidf> when i try to remove gdm it installs lightdm
[03:44] <EriC^> add text to the kernel line in /etc/default/grub
[03:45] <vnmsdfsidf> .....
[03:45] <vnmsdfsidf> how do I remove all display managers?
[03:46] <vnmsdfsidf> well this is disappointing...
[03:47] <cfhowlett> vnmsdfsidf, install ubuntu server.  do not install display manager.  done.
[03:47] <vnmsdfsidf> cfhowlett: 1) i dont want to install ubuntu server 2) I did not explicitly install a display manager
[03:47] <vnmsdfsidf> 3) that doesnt answer my question
[03:50] <bodhi_zazen> vnmsdfsidf, then install ubuntu minimal and only install the packages you need. Removing excessive packages takes longer and is more likely to break ubuntu
[03:50] <mobile3> how to install yum ?
[03:50] <cfhowlett> !yum | mobile3
[03:50] <bodhi_zazen> vnmsdfsidf, If you did not install a display manager, who did ?
[03:51] <vnmsdfsidf> bodhi_zazen: it installs it when you install xorg
[03:51] <bodhi_zazen> mobile3, yum is Fedora < 22 , and yum is depreciated on Fedora 22 +
[03:51] <le_pig> lol
[03:51] <bodhi_zazen> vnmsdfsidf, no it does not
[03:51] <vnmsdfsidf> yes it does
[03:51] <mobile3> ubottu: I don't know about !apt
[03:51] <vnmsdfsidf> thats literally the only package I installed
[03:51] <bodhi_zazen> so remove xorg
[03:51] <vnmsdfsidf> i need xorg
[03:51] <bodhi_zazen> then use xorg
[03:51] <vnmsdfsidf> which part of this is not clear?
[03:51] <mobile3> ubottu: ??
[03:52] <mobile3> bodhi_zazen: I want to install it on ubuntu
[03:52] <cfhowlett> mobile3, wrong distro.  no yum for debian based distros including ubuntu
[03:52] <bodhi_zazen> "I don't want a display manager but I need a display manager" - lol
[03:53] <cfhowlett> mobile3, you can't, it won't work.  if you want/need yum, install redhat or a derivative.
[03:53] <vnmsdfsidf> bodhi_zazen: where did I say I want a display manager?
[03:53] <vnmsdfsidf> bodhi_zazen: is reading really that hard?
[03:53] <mobile3> cfhowlett: actually I want to uninstall nano... I searched and found ... yum remove nano
[03:54] <cfhowlett> vnmsdfsidf, little less attitude goes far to getting assistance.  we're all volunteers here.
[03:54] <cfhowlett> mobile3, sudo apt-get purge nano
[03:54] <vnmsdfsidf> so far all I've gotten is trollish uselessness
[03:54] <vnmsdfsidf> when I asked a simple and straightforward question
[03:54] <vnmsdfsidf> check your own attitude
[03:55] <bodhi_zazen> vnmsdfsidf, why did you install xorg ?
[03:55] <mobile3> sfhowlett:-bash: sudo: command not found
[03:55] <cfhowlett> vnmsdfsidf, so you respond with sarcasm?  yeah, no ...
[03:55] <vnmsdfsidf> bodhi_zazen: that doesnt matter
[03:55] <mobile3> cfhowlett:-bash: sudo: command not found
[03:55] <vnmsdfsidf> cfhowlett: if you have nothing useful to add, then dont say anything
[03:55] <bodhi_zazen> OK, well good luck to you then
[03:56] <vnmsdfsidf> bodhi_zazen: okay, go pretend to not be useless with someone else
[03:56] <bodhi_zazen> If you "vnmsdfsidf> i need xorg" then you have to live with the dependencies
[03:57] <cfhowlett> mobile3, true.  sudo is not a command.  paste the output of lsb_release -a
[03:57] <vnmsdfsidf> gdm is not a xorg dependency in a sane distro
[03:57] <vnmsdfsidf> thats just retarded
[03:57] <vnmsdfsidf> thats like having kde as a dependency for xorg
[03:57] <EriC^> vnmsdfsidf: hey dude ubuntu is made to be used with lightdm/gdm etc.
[03:57] <mobile3> cfhowlett: No LSB modules are available. Distributor ID: Ubuntu Description:    Ubuntu 14.04.1 LTS Release:        14.04 Codename:       trusty
[03:58] <EriC^> take it or leave it or modify it by your own but dont come here asking for support expecting that and then whine about it
[03:58] <bodhi_zazen> vnmsdfsidf, gdm is not a xorg dependency - http://packages.ubuntu.com/wily/xorg
[03:58] <OerHeks> What would one do with Xorg without dm ?
[03:58] <cfhowlett> mobile3, sudo apt-get purge nano
[03:59] <mobile3> cfhowlett: -bash: sudo: command not found
[03:59] <EriC^> mobile3: type echo $PATH
[03:59] <vnmsdfsidf> EriC^: I asked a simple question, is expecting a straight answer too much for your highness?
[03:59] <vnmsdfsidf> EriC^: if you don't know the answer, say 'I don't know.'
[04:00] <EriC^> not highness, i already explained, ubuntu uses lightdm it's made for that, you'r now SUPPOSED to use startx
[04:00] <mobile3> cfhowlett: /usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/games:/usr/local/games
[04:00] <EriC^> get it? now you can use text in the kernel line, and i told you that
[04:00] <EriC^> so that's that, /join ##linux and ask about modifying it if you want
[04:01] <vnmsdfsidf> EriC^: that does not remove the display manager
[04:01] <vnmsdfsidf> get it?
[04:01] <vnmsdfsidf> I'm not trying to modify any code here
[04:01] <vnmsdfsidf> get it?
[04:01] <EriC^> k
[04:01] <EriC^> i get it:P
[04:01] <EriC^> :D
[04:01] <mobile3> cfhowlet: apt-get purge nano
[04:02] <mobile3> it worked
[04:02] <cfhowlett> mobile3, cool.  EriC^ why did the command fail in the first place??
[04:03] <mobile3> I removed sudo
[04:03] <EriC^> mobile3: he's using the root account
[04:03] <EriC^> cfhowlett: ^
[04:03] <Turnip_Green> New question for the evening.  How does one go about setting up a gaming type mouse for Ubuntu?  I'd like to use all the functionality of my fancy new 7 button gaming mouse.
[04:03] <cfhowlett> EriC^, oh no way?  people still use root?  SHAME!
[04:04] <vnmsdfsidf> god
[04:04] <bodhi_zazen> vnmsdfsidf, root@banshee:/# apt-get -s install xorg | grep gdm
[04:04] <bodhi_zazen> root@banshee:/# apt-get -s install xorg | grep lightdm
[04:04] <bodhi_zazen> root@banshee:/#
[04:04] <bodhi_zazen> nope, no gdm or lightdm with xorg
[04:04] <bodhi_zazen> so you must have installed something else
[04:05] <vnmsdfsidf> no
[04:06] <OerHeks> vnmsdfsidf, so what is your goal, displayserver without displaymanager ?
[04:07] <vnmsdfsidf> OerHeks: my goal is to have xorg and not have any display managers for a start
[04:08] <bodhi_zazen> apt-get purge lightdm gdm
[04:08] <vnmsdfsidf> it literally pops up a screen and forces me to select a display manager to use when I try to uninstall one
[04:08] <vnmsdfsidf> cant get much more retarded than that
[04:09] <OerHeks> vnmsdfsidf, well, any desktop relies on a DM, so pick your choise or install ubuntu server and install xorg manually.
[04:09] <OerHeks> vnmsdfsidf, is it retarded?
[04:09] <vnmsdfsidf> OerHeks: not thats just false
[04:10] <vnmsdfsidf> OerHeks: I did install xorg manually
[04:10] <vnmsdfsidf> 'any desktop relies on a DM' - wtf
[04:10] <kunji> The nautilus-dropbox package seems pretty broken on 14.04... keeps asking for root access, the .deb file direct from dropbox is working perfectly.
[04:11] <kunji> vnmsdfsidf: ... is it still a desktop without?  :P
[04:12] <vnmsdfsidf> kunji: yes....
[04:14] <EriC^> vnmsdfsidf: why do you have a problem with using text?
[04:14] <EriC^> what's the big deal?
[04:14] <ghostz> anyone running their linux box in a VM right now?
[04:14] <vnmsdfsidf> EriC^: I know how to use text, and that's not the question I asked
[04:14] <EriC^> vnmsdfsidf: it's not a matter of you knowing, what's the issue?
[04:14] <bodhi_zazen> ghostz, you taking a poll ? ;p
[04:14] <EriC^> you won't even know the dm is there
[04:15] <vnmsdfsidf> yes I will
[04:15] <ghostz> bodhi_zazen just curious how many like myself
[04:15] <vnmsdfsidf> anyway I managed to get it working by forcefully terminating the retarded uninstall procedure before it installed the other dm
[04:16] <vnmsdfsidf> EriC^: the issue is that a dm is installed, and I don't want it to be installed
[04:16] <EriC^> vnmsdfsidf: you probably have dpkg in an unconfigured state right now
[04:16] <EriC^> you can't install anything else unless you do sudo apt-get -f install
[04:16] <vnmsdfsidf> I'm not trying to find a compromise
[04:16] <EriC^> which will install lightdm
[04:16] <vnmsdfsidf> im trying to solve a problem
[04:17] <vnmsdfsidf> EriC^: no, I just installed dwm and it worked
[04:17] <EriC^> ok dpkg -l | awk '$1 ~ /dm$/' returns what?
[04:17] <EriC^> sorry, dpkg -l | awk '$2 ~ /dm$/' returns what?
[04:18] <bodhi_zazen> ghostz, virtualization is popular, I run a few servers virtual, and often I package on a VM
[04:18] <bodhi_zazen> sort of nice to keep development independent of my desktop
[04:19] <EriC^> vnmsdfsidf: anyways, it might reinstall it if you run sudo apt-get -f install , so maybe create a lightdm dummy package, or just manually remove the files or something
[04:19] <bodhi_zazen> vnmsdfsidf, best thing about opensource - if you break it you get to keep both pieces
[04:19] <Hamled> Is LVM2 still the recommended software to use on Ubuntu 14.04, for doing LVM-like stuff
[04:20] <bodhi_zazen> Hamled, lol
[04:20] <ubuntu552> that was funny bodhi_zazen
[04:20] <bodhi_zazen> Hamled, if it is in the repos, it is recommended ;p
[04:20] <Hamled> bodhi_zazen, okay a better question is
[04:20] <Hamled> I have four disks I want to treat as a single volume but I don't really need raid
[04:20] <vnmsdfsidf> EriC^: nah, if I ever see this shit installed again, I'm removing ubuntu and going to a proper distro
[04:21] <Hamled> is lvm2 still the thing to use for that
[04:21] <vnmsdfsidf> EriC^: that command returns nothing btw
[04:21] <bodhi_zazen> Hamled, if you do not want RAID, yes LVM is the way to go
[04:21] <Hamled> thanks
[04:21] <cfhowlett> !guidelines | vnmsdfsidf no profanity per the IRC user guidelines.  thank you.
[04:21] <EriC^> vnmsdfsidf: good, it means the package isn't in dpkg
[04:21] <Hamled> didn't want to go real far into getting it setup and then find out it's been replaced by something elese
[04:22] <bodhi_zazen> Just keep in mind, with LVM it is easy to ADD additional space / volumes
[04:23] <bodhi_zazen> but it is difficult to REMOVE or downsize
[04:23] <Hamled> yah
[04:25] <yourname> what is RAID
[04:25] <cfhowlett> !raid | yourname
[04:25] <moondog> kunji: I experienced a similar issue with the dropbox package on 14.04
[04:26] <moondog> the one from the repo seems broken. grabbing it off the dropbox site worked fine.
[04:28]  * hide4 
[04:41] <mach20x> I tried to reinstall  fglrx , when I used this command sudo amdconfig --adapter=all --initial ...the output was no adapters
[04:44] <mach20x> from the beginning it seems as though I was missing the xorg.conf file I'm currently on a normal boot with the lowest settings for gui 640x480
[04:47] <jonathan_> hey, is this the right room for wifi card support?
[04:48] <cfhowlett> jonathan_, yes.  details.  ask
[04:48] <jonathan_> I'm setting up a desktop for a friend, using a broadcom 4321 card
[04:49] <cfhowlett> !broadcom | jonathan_
[04:49] <jonathan_> I don't have any network connection, so I went with those instructions
[04:50] <jonathan_> I put the tar on the computer, extracted, ran install, and it's showing the network, but it times out on trying to connect
[04:56] <jonathan_> I'll try the sta driver
[05:14] <Xip> Dear Ubuntu friends.. I have a serious question here..
[05:15] <OerHeks> Xip, just ask, wait and see.
[05:17] <easyOnMe> how do I delete a file from a portable hard disk in ubuntu when you are shown a message like this
[05:17] <easyOnMe> Error when getting information for file '/media/erwin/Erwin Novo/html/symfony/vendor/symfony/symfony/src/Symfony/Bundle/FrameworkBundle/Resources/views/FormTable': Input/output error
[05:17] <easyOnMe> thanks in advance
[05:18] <OerHeks> easyOnMe, is that folder there? is that file there? is the filesystem healty ?
[05:18] <easyOnMe> OerHeks: yeah the folder is there
[05:19] <easyOnMe> but i do not know the file system is healthy or not
[05:20] <OerHeks> easyOnMe, what filesystem is it? ntfs, ext4?
[05:22] <dacorr_> Anyone know if Synology Note can be used via ubuntu without having to login to the NAS?
[05:22] <regedit> um, ksystraycmd does not exist?
[05:22] <easyOnMe> ntfs
[05:22] <easyOnMe> OerHeks: ntfs
[05:23] <ghostz> load that thing in windows
[05:23] <ghostz> scan disk, delete
[05:23] <ghostz> or use file "unlocker" to delete
[05:24] <OerHeks> easyOnMe, i would use windows to run a filecheck, or from ubuntu > ntfsfix /dev/sdXX # where sdxx is your external hdd, sdb1 or something like that
[05:25] <easyOnMe> OerHeks: what command will I use on the terminal then
[05:25] <easyOnMe> OerHeks: the name of my external hard disk is Erwin Novo
[05:25] <easyOnMe> and it is currently mounted
[05:26] <OerHeks> easyOnMe, find out what name that partiotion has, sudo fdisk -l  # will tell you
[05:26] <OerHeks> and unmount it before fixing
[05:26] <regedit> hello i have Kubuntu 15.04 with KDE Plasma 5.2.2, any reason ksystraycmd does not exist?
[05:26] <easyOnMe> ok
[05:26] <easyOnMe> give me a sec will do it now
[05:28] <OerHeks> regedit, you might want to ask in #kubuntu too, as it is kubuntu specific.
[05:29] <regedit> OerHeks: or...is it? but yeah thanks, i did ask there too
[05:29] <easyOnMe> OerHeks: http://imgur.com/GE31Tuh
[05:30] <easyOnMe> that is what I got after I type fdisk -l command on the termina
[05:30] <easyOnMe> terminal
[05:30] <easyOnMe> my concern is I do not know which one is the hard disk
[05:30] <liquidee> you should be looking for ntfs one
[05:30] <liquidee> and its the one that has /dev/sdb1 partition in it
[05:31] <liquidee> right?
[05:31] <easyOnMe> liquidee: man I am only using Linux these past few months
[05:31] <easyOnMe> I am really not sure
[05:31] <easyOnMe> sorry newbie here
[05:32] <liquidee> there are two disks listed: sda and sdb
[05:32] <liquidee> and under each, there are partitions listed
[05:32] <liquidee> the first disk, sda, is 320 GB and contains 4 partitions with various linux filesystems
[05:33] <liquidee> the other one is 80GB sdb which contains sdb1 partition with NTFS
[05:33] <easyOnMe> ntfsfix /dev/sdb1
[05:33] <kunji> moondog: I'm not sure if there is an official bug report or not on that...
[05:33] <easyOnMe> I just gave that command on the terminal just now and it says OK
[05:33] <liquidee> try to delete that file now
[05:34] <easyOnMe> liquidee: I still cannot delete
[05:34] <easyOnMe> this is nuts man
[05:34] <easyOnMe> lol
[05:34] <EriC^^> easyOnMe: what file?
[05:34] <kunji> That's what I was about to ask
[05:35] <easyOnMe> liquidee: Error removing file: Directory not empty
[05:35] <liquidee> i guess this one: /media/erwin/Erwin Novo/html/symfony/vendor/symfony/symfony/src/Symfony/Bundle/FrameworkBundle/Resources/views/FormTable
[05:35] <easyOnMe> when I open the folder there is nothing inside it
[05:35] <easyOnMe> when I press CTRL H
[05:35] <easyOnMe> nothing ever shows up
[05:35] <kunji> Sounds exactly like a broken filesystem to me
[05:35] <easyOnMe> kunji: this is an NTFS
[05:36] <easyOnMe> just run ntfsfix command and says OK
[05:36] <EriC^^> easyOnMe: are you using the terminal to remove it?
[05:36] <easyOnMe> no
[05:36] <easyOnMe> GUI
[05:36] <EriC^^> try using the terminal
[05:36] <liquidee> try "sudo rm -rf /media/erwin/Erwin Novo/html/symfony/vendor/symfony/symfony/src/Symfony/Bundle/FrameworkBundle/Resources/views/FormTable"
[05:36] <liquidee> and check if thats the file you want to remove
[05:36] <easyOnMe> I am looking at the current folder inside the external hard disk
[05:36] <xrfang> hi, I try to install vmware-view-client following this post: http://askubuntu.com/questions/486549/how-to-install-vmware-view-client
[05:36] <kunji> easyOnMe: Yeah, which makes it worse because ntfsfix is not very useful, it is not a proper filesystem fixing application.
[05:36] <liquidee> im just guessing :D
[05:36] <xrfang> it does not work (package not found). I am running 15.04.
[05:37] <xrfang> any ideas please?
[05:37] <kunji> easyOnMe: You'll probably need to get some real chkdsk running
[05:37] <easyOnMe> kunji: like?
[05:37] <kunji> easyOnMe: The one included with Windows T.T
[05:37] <OerHeks> easyOnMe,  so if ntfsfix says oke, then there is nothing wrong, you can perform "ntfsfix -d /dev/sdb1 "will clear the dirty bit on an NTFS volume.
[05:38] <easyOnMe> liquidee: didn't work in the terminal
[05:38] <kunji> OerHeks: That should be the case, but he also shouldn't have been able to mount it if only the dirty bit was the problem
[05:38] <EriC^^> easyOnMe: what did it say?
[05:38] <OerHeks> kunji, also true, i recommend windows for these troubles.
[05:39] <liquidee> EriC^^ it might be because he has spaces in the path i pasted - my bad
[05:39] <EriC^^> no problem
[05:39] <kunji> liquidee: I'm pretty sure that's a different error though, isn't that a folder cannot be found/does not exist, something like that?
[05:39] <EriC^^> easyOnMe: open the terminal, type rm -r and drag the dir you want to delete from nautilus to the terminal
[05:39] <MACscr> I have ubuntu trusty running within a xen guest and im trying to upgrade grub from 1 to 2. Any advice on this error? http://pastie.org/pastes/10242424/text
[05:40] <easyOnMe> EriC^^: ok one sec
[05:41] <easyOnMe> EriC^^: this is what I got after following your instructions
[05:41] <easyOnMe> http://imgur.com/hY27I5f
[05:41] <MACscr> its a PVM guest, so it is using its own kernel
[05:42] <liquidee> kunji:  i guess you were right :)
[05:42] <EriC^^> easyOnMe: try it again, make sure there's a ' at the end
[05:43] <easyOnMe> EriC^^: correct
[05:43] <kunji> Eric^^: There is
[05:43] <easyOnMe> that was what I did
[05:43] <easyOnMe> there is
[05:43] <EriC^^> kunji: nah, it took the file as \n\n at the end
[05:43] <EriC^^> easyOnMe: nope, you had to add the ' later
[05:43] <EriC^^> after it said >
[05:44] <OerHeks> easyOnMe, please no space in that line, /media/erwin/Erwin/Novo/etc ....
[05:44] <kunji> Eric^^: It was still ended with the ', he just got some new lines in there :P
[05:44] <EriC^^> kunji: yeah :P
[05:48] <gagalicious> any major difference between ubuntu desktop and ubuntu server other than the server version does not come pre packaged with a gui? i mean deb wise, is it gonna be significant difference? i would like to use the desktop version for some of my server because there's a gui. that's about all. not the server farm production.
[05:48] <OerHeks> gagalicious, no, they use the same repos
[05:50] <liquidee> gagalicious: there should be no problem with using a desktop for server
[05:51] <gagalicious> OerHeks: thanks
[05:51] <gagalicious> liquidee: thanks
[05:52] <gagalicious> i cant believe ubuntu server and desktop use the same repo... that's totally different from the way fedora and centos works.
[05:52] <gagalicious> oh well...
[05:53] <OerHeks> same repo, different package selections
[05:53] <EriC^^> well that's linux, lots of options and different ways to do stuff :>
[06:12] <mobile3> what is the command to restart apache ?
[06:13] <mobile3> it was something like that httpd....
[06:14] <mobile3> what is the command to restart apache ?
[06:15] <Ben64> what version of ubuntu
[06:18] <Tex_Nick> mobile3: try /etc/init.d/apache2 start for later virsions of ubuntu ?
[06:19] <EriC^^> mobile3: sudo service apache2 restart
[06:19] <Ben64> i think the command is different on 15.04+
[06:19] <EriC^^> Ben64: nah, it has a service script that converts the command to a systemd systemctl command
[06:20] <mobile3> Tex_Nick: -bash: /etc/init.d/apache2: No such file or directory
[06:21] <mobile3> EriC^^:apache2: unrecognized service
[06:21] <mobile3> I used this  service httpd restart
[06:22] <mobile3> I don't know whether it worked or not but now I am able to access my website
[06:24] <murcha> have you came across a good backup script for site's files so it shouldn't create daily backup, instead it should only update a backup file.?
[06:27] <nrdb> why does the an 'apt-get purge <package>' ask to do a 'apt-get -f install' first
[06:28] <EriC^^> nrdb: you probably have unmet dependencies
[06:29] <nrdb> EriC^^, so why does doing a purge care about unmet dependencies?  ... I am trying to get rid of something (grub-common in this case)
[06:30] <EriC^^> nrdb: it might purge something that needs to have something else replaced for stability
[06:30] <EriC^^> so it needs to make sure everything is ok before proceeding
[06:31] <EriC^^> (just guessing)
[06:31] <nrdb> I am sure wishing that when a package is held it would say held ... and not get install latter.
[06:45] <Tex_Nick> out of curosity, why is it that nautilus, or any other mainline GUI OS file manager (Apple, Mac) allow a simple directory printout (with options) ?
[06:45] <Tex_Nick> win also ^^^
[06:46] <EriC^^> there's gvfs-tree
[06:48] <Tex_Nick> EriC^^: hmmm ok ... thanks my friend, I'll have a look at it ... tis esay enough to do in terminal ... but would be nice as an option in nautilus
[06:48] <easyOnMe> EriC^^: this is what I got
[06:48] <easyOnMe> http://imgur.com/y0DLPGf
[06:48] <easyOnMe> after you wanted me to delete the extra spaces
[06:49] <EriC^^> easyOnMe: type rm -r , press space, then drag the dir there
[06:49] <easyOnMe> ok one sec
[06:50] <OerHeks> easyOnMe, why a space in that line  /media/erwin Erwin/Novo/etc ....  /media/erwin/Erwin/Novo/etc ....
[06:50] <OerHeks> even a ' does not solve that
[06:50] <easyOnMe> OerHeks: well I did try deleting the space but it is still the same
[06:50] <EriC^^> OerHeks: the dir has a space in it, it's ok though cause of '
[06:51] <OerHeks> ehm ... /media/erwin/Erwin/Novo/etc should work, you miss a /
[06:51] <OerHeks> so rm sees it as 2 folders, no?
[06:51] <EriC^^> OerHeks: nah, the dir actually has a space in it
[06:51] <auronandace_> why not just tab complete it instead?
[06:52] <easyOnMe> EriC^^: I do not know for no reason
[06:52] <Tex_Nick> EriC^^: hmmm gvfs-tree looks like a command line utility ... not a nautilus gui utility ?
[06:52] <easyOnMe> whenever I drag and drop the folder into the terminal
[06:52] <easyOnMe> this is what happens
[06:52] <easyOnMe> http://imgur.com/5AnuALH
[06:52] <EriC^^> Tex_Nick: yes
[06:52] <Tex_Nick> ahhh ok sir
[06:53] <EriC^^> easyOnMe: just type rm -r , press space then drag
[06:53] <EriC^^> and hit enter
[06:54] <easyOnMe> EriC^^: that's what I did
[06:55] <easyOnMe> EriC^^: it keeps on saying no such file or directory
[06:55] <EriC^^> easyOnMe: ok, this is the syntax, rm -r '/path/to file/with spaces/you want to delete'
[06:56] <Ben64> just type it and use tab to complete
[06:56] <Ben64> so much easier
[06:56] <EriC^^> notice a ' at the start of the path, a  ' at the end, and space between rm -r and the '/path' part
[06:56] <EriC^^> Ben64: it's like the longest path in history
[06:56] <easyOnMe> EriC^^: just did but it keeps on saying folder or directory not empty
[06:56] <easyOnMe> I check the folder is empty
[06:56] <EriC^^> easyOnMe: can you paste the output?
[06:56] <easyOnMe> I press CTRL H
[06:56] <easyOnMe> no files shows up
[06:57] <easyOnMe> erwin@erwin-M720SRS:~$ rm -r '/media/erwin/Erwin Novo/html/symfony/vendor/symfony/symfony/src/Symfony/Bundle/FrameworkBundle/Resources/views/Form'
[06:57] <easyOnMe> rm: cannot remove ‘/media/erwin/Erwin Novo/html/symfony/vendor/symfony/symfony/src/Symfony/Bundle/FrameworkBundle/Resources/views/Form’: Directory not empty
[06:57] <easyOnMe> erwin@erwin-M720SRS:~$
[06:57] <liquidee> guys, i think he did it right
[06:57] <EriC^^> yeah this time it was right
[06:57] <liquidee> he did it right last time we talked, but he has some filesystem issues
[06:57] <easyOnMe> my issue here is it claims directory is not empty when it is
[06:58] <easyOnMe> you press CTRL H nothing shows up
[06:58] <EriC^^> easyOnMe: try it with rm -rf this time
[06:58] <easyOnMe> when you do it inside the Form folder
[06:58] <easyOnMe> ok wait
[06:58] <liquidee> try to do "ls -al <this_dir>" and rm -rf <this_dir>
[06:58] <Ben64> rm -r should remove directories that aren't empty
[06:58] <liquidee> ye
[06:58] <liquidee> he had some filesystems issues. this is an ntfs drive
[06:59] <easyOnMe> erwin@erwin-M720SRS:~$ rm -rf '/media/erwin/Erwin Novo/html/symfony/vendor/symfony/symfony/src/Symfony/Bundle/FrameworkBundle/Resources/views/Form'
[06:59] <easyOnMe> rm: cannot remove ‘/media/erwin/Erwin Novo/html/symfony/vendor/symfony/symfony/src/Symfony/Bundle/FrameworkBundle/Resources/views/Form’: Directory not empty
[06:59] <easyOnMe> erwin@erwin-M720SRS:~$
[06:59] <easyOnMe> that is the result even if we force it
[06:59] <easyOnMe> this is nuts
[06:59] <easyOnMe> lol
[06:59] <EriC^^> easyOnMe: try it with sudo, worth a shot
[06:59] <EriC^^> sudo rm -rf
[06:59] <liquidee> lol
[07:00] <EriC^^> i think it know what's wrong
[07:00] <EriC^^> easyOnMe: type alias rm
[07:01] <easyOnMe> EriC^^: and then what
[07:01] <easyOnMe> erwin@erwin-M720SRS:~$ type alias rm
[07:01] <easyOnMe> alias is a shell builtin
[07:01] <easyOnMe> rm is hashed (/bin/rm)
[07:01] <easyOnMe> erwin@erwin-M720SRS:~$
[07:01] <EriC^^> nevermind, i thought it might be aliased to rmdir
[07:01] <easyOnMe> ok
[07:01] <liquidee> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1551719
[07:02] <Ben64> uh, you're supposed to type "alias rm" not "type alias rm"
[07:03] <easyOnMe> liquidee: but I close all nautilus windows alredy
[07:03] <easyOnMe> already
[07:03] <liquidee> try that command
[07:03] <liquidee> mentioned in the thread
[07:04] <easyOnMe> liquidee: you mean the while command
[07:04] <easyOnMe> are you referring to that
[07:04] <liquidee> no
[07:04] <easyOnMe> fuser
[07:04] <EriC^^> this seems interesting https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=185824
[07:04] <EriC^^> says a corruption in filesystem
[07:04] <liquidee> fuser -m <dir>
[07:05] <liquidee> he should do a ntfs check with windows
[07:05] <easyOnMe> liquidee: I just did nothing happens
[07:06] <OerHeks> Why didn't you try to remove it within windows then?
[07:07] <easyOnMe> ok guys
[07:07] <EriC^^> i think you should use windows to repair the filesystem or something
[07:07] <easyOnMe> thanks for all the help
[07:07] <EriC^^> /join ##windows and they should be able to help
[07:07] <easyOnMe> OerHeks: that is why I am using ubuntu because I do not use windows
[07:07] <easyOnMe> anyway
[07:07] <easyOnMe> I will look for a windows laptop
[07:07] <easyOnMe> thanks for all your help
[07:08] <robbix> what's up?
[07:08] <OerHeks> easyOnMe, oh i understood you did a ntfs check from within windows..
[07:09] <easyOnMe> I will once I get my hands on windows
[07:09] <easyOnMe> gtg
[07:09] <easyOnMe> thanks everyone
[07:14] <murcha> is it possible to mound ubuntu's var partition from windows server 2008?
[07:15] <EriC^^> murcha: yeah, you need to install some stuff though, i don't recall the name though
[07:15] <murcha> install in ubuntu?
[07:15] <EriC^^> no, in windows
[07:15] <EriC^^> so you can mount ext partitions
[07:17] <murcha> Ext2Fsd?
[07:17] <EriC^^> i think it's it
[07:17] <murcha> i can access ubuntu thourgh ssh connection.
[07:17] <NicholasC> I've got several Ubuntu VMs on HyperV that randomly enter Read-only FS states. Whilst we're looking for the cause, I need something that automatically reboots the machine and runs fsck -y. I've currently got this up and running via an errors=panic in my fstab, followed by a reboot after kernel panic, but this obviously doesn't have the benefit that errors=remount-ro provides. Is there any way to detect when remount-ro fires and reboot
[07:17] <NicholasC> after it's finished?
[07:36] <stevenmcqueeven> anyone here?
[07:37] <OerHeks> :-)
[07:37] <ESphynx> are people @ Canonical paying attention to LP #1268257 ? :P
[07:37] <ESphynx> people are getting infuriated :P
[07:38] <beeto> hi there
[07:39] <deicider> Hello. When will 3.19. kernel be backported to 14.04?
[07:39] <stevenmcqueeven> I can't get ubuntu to download
[07:39] <stevenmcqueeven> and I need help lol
[07:39] <OerHeks> ESphynx, nvidia 331, isn't that a old version, I thought 340 is current now?
[07:40] <ESphynx> OerHeks: it may be, but it was the latest for a long while and still seems to be what I get by default on 14.04 ?
[07:40] <ESphynx> (aka the LTS)
[07:41] <ESphynx> I may even have 14.10 ...
[07:42] <ESphynx> yeah, 14.10 installed and still what comes up
[07:42] <OerHeks> ESphynx, i would check the driver tool again, and install 340.
[07:43] <ESphynx> OerHeks: wouldn't apt-get upgrade do that for you?
[07:44] <ESphynx> "OerHeks: The device is using the reocmmended driver"
[07:44] <ESphynx> everytime an nVidia user using LTS or 14.10 does an upgrade, nasty cras reports appear.
[07:44] <ESphynx> this has been going on for more than a whole year.
[07:45] <OerHeks> No, apt-get upgrade does nothing with the closed nvidia driver, you have to select it yourself in the drivermenu
[07:46] <ESphynx> OerHeks: it wouldn't make any sense not to select a version known to work better with apt-get upgrade
[07:46] <ESphynx> but as I said above, there's nothing else to select anyways.
[07:47] <ESphynx> as much as I'd like nVidia to give out specs so that we can write good open-source drivers, if the proprietary drivers work better, users should use the proprietary drivers to get their graphics performance
[07:47] <ESphynx> so treating closed driver users as secondclass users is just wrong
[07:47] <OerHeks> ESphynx, oh i see, i am wrong, 340 isn't out for 14.04 .. http://packages.ubuntu.com/source/trusty/misc/
[07:47] <TJ-> ESphynx: crash reports involving nvidia might be to do with a kernel upgrade. If, for example, the systems are using a newer kernel (from the hardware enablement pack) the source of older nvidia version's may fail to build correctly when the DKMS hook is called during kernel installation. I've had to modify the nvidia source a couple of times for nvidia 346 since I use mainline kernels with 14.04
[07:47] <ESphynx> OerHeks: neither is it for 14.10
[07:48] <ESphynx> TJ-: yes that might be waht it is.
[07:48] <ESphynx> but the apparent indifference for more than a year is the issue here.
[07:48] <ESphynx> Both the LTS and 14.10 suffers from thi
[07:48] <Ben64> ESphynx: you just gotta do "sudo dpkg-reconfigure nvidia-331" after updating until they fix the bug
[07:48] <ESphynx> Ben64: i.e. at every update?
[07:48] <TJ-> ESphynx: if that is the cause there should be a very prominent warning from DKMS when the kernel is being installed. That should be caught in the crash report details that are being reported to the user
[07:49] <Ben64> ESphynx: every kernel update, sure
[07:49] <goutham> Hey guys!
[07:49] <ESphynx> Ben64: but why can't there be a way to automate that process and submit that?
[07:49] <goutham> I have accidently rewmoved python2.7
[07:49] <ESphynx> Ubuntu is supposed to be Linux for grandmas.
[07:49] <OerHeks> Ben64 +1  .. the header says so, plus "after that... $ sudo dpkg-reconfigure nvidia-331-uvm"
[07:49] <TJ-> ESphynx: This sohuldn't happen for the 14.04 standard kernels with the nvida packages for 14.04
[07:50] <ESphynx> TJ-: I think the fact that this bug is still open and people are screaming is that it still does.
[07:50] <Ben64> TJ-: it does
[07:50] <OerHeks> goutham, time to reinstall ubuntu, as python 2,7 is needed for softwareinstall AFAIK.
[07:51] <TJ-> ESphynx: what's the bug number? I only just came into the channel
[07:51] <ESphynx> 1268257
[07:51] <ESphynx> and a zillion others.
[07:51] <OerHeks> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers-331/+bug/1268257
[07:52] <ESphynx> the last comment is describing the situation very nicely :P
[07:52] <goutham> @OerHeks is there anyway I can do without reinstalling ubuntu
[07:52] <Ben64> ESphynx: check comment #323
[07:53] <ESphynx> Ben64: +1 on that :)
[07:53] <OerHeks> goutham, removing python2.7 also removed a lot of dependencies ..
[07:54] <TJ-> OK, it's not a trivial fix so that explains the delay see bug #1431753
[07:54] <goutham> Ya will upgrade work fine here?
[07:54] <Jackwv> why can't my dvd cd driver load?
[07:54] <OerHeks> goutham, there is no quick fix
[07:55] <ESphynx> TJ-: that's insightful
[07:55] <TJ-> In summary, one package relies on the build product of another package, something that is not supposed to happen in Debian land, so it requires merging both packages into one and providing a non-breaking transition for upgrades
[07:55] <deicider> OerHeks: But, can't he just reinstall python? Assuming he didn't autoremove everything
[07:55] <Jackwv> i can't get my external hardrive to load either is there a easy and quick solution
[07:56] <OerHeks> deicider, if there was, i would say so.. and assumption is wrong, removing python2.7 removes a lot, probably half desktop
[07:56] <Ben64> TJ-: over 2500 people are affected by it, and no real updates on progress in over a year
[07:56] <TJ-> ESphynx: I've not hit that issue, maybe because I'm using the nvidia 340 driver from the Xorg edgers PPA: 340.76-0ubuntu1~xedgers14.04.4
[07:56] <Ben64> TJ-: its quite annoying
[07:56] <Ben64> TJ-: the ppa doesn't have the problem
[07:57] <goutham> OerHeks Thanks :)
[07:58] <ESphynx> Ben64: a large portion of those users probably gave up on Ubuntu already. Apparently Mint doesn't suffer from it either.
[07:58] <ikonia> that seems unlikley
[07:58] <OerHeks> ESphynx, other solution, use the regular 331 driver, not the update?
[07:58] <TJ-> Ben64: ESphynx Let me see if I can figure out a quick workaround to get the module to build, aside from merging packages - something that will at least get the local system to build correctly.
[07:59] <ESphynx> OerHeks: I just use whatever Ubuntu recommends / sets up
[07:59] <ESphynx> It's actually not a big problem, stuff still works
[07:59] <Ben64> i'd say its a big problem
[07:59] <ESphynx> but everytime an upgrade happens nasty crash messages occur
[07:59] <Ben64> and if you don't build the module using dpkg-reconfigure, you get no graphics after rebooting
[07:59] <ESphynx> Ben64: it's a big problem on the big picture, not for me personally.
[08:00] <TJ-> ESphynx: how about suppressing those messages temporarily?
[08:00] <ESphynx> Ben64: perhaps that's what has been causing my system to stop working
[08:00] <Ben64> well i've worked around the problem by doing a dpkg-reconfigure
[08:00] <ESphynx> I keep having to do weird tweaks, maybe that is what is casing it
[08:00] <Ben64> but that is hardly a solution
[08:00] <Ben64> most people won't know how or what to do
[08:00] <ESphynx> I think I fixed it with another apt-get upgrade or what not
[08:00] <ESphynx> Ben64: definitely.
[08:00] <ESphynx> then it's terrible.
[08:01] <ESphynx> I just don't understand why this isn't the top priority at Canonical?
[08:01] <ESphynx> nVidia driver users is a large chunk of users
[08:02] <TJ-> ESphynx: because most focus inside Canonical now is on server, cloud, and phone
[08:02] <Ben64> if i knew who to talk to, i would have
[08:02] <Ben64> besides this, 14.04 is so smooth and easy
[08:03] <TJ-> I'm creating a backported package from Vivid now; I'll upload it to my PPA shortly
[08:07] <TJ-> ESphynx: If you're able to test it and confirm it works I can attach the fixed branch to the bug report and propose it for an SRU
[08:07] <ESphynx> TJ-: that's a pity :(
[08:08] <TJ-> ESphynx: pity?
[08:08] <ESphynx> server/cloud/phone
[08:08] <TJ-> ESphynx: that's where the money is
[08:08] <histo>  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers-331/+bug/12
[08:17] <TJ-> I've just been reminded why I do _not_ like bzr DVCS!
[08:18] <ESphynx> :)
[08:19] <freakynl> Hi, I have a SAS disk with some bad sectors and was running badblocks against it. By default badblocks will use Direct I/O, but it only does ~7MB/s with that, with the -B option (use buffered I/O instead of direct I/O) it does ~120MB/s. Any idea what causes this?
[08:19] <histo> freakynl: have you ever used dd?
[08:20] <metalice> hi, what is your opinion about swap partition and ssd ?
[08:20] <freakynl> histo: sure
[08:21] <freakynl> metalice: if there's enough ram I don't use swap, then again, if there's enough ram linux won't use swap easily under normal circumstances anyways
[08:21] <histo> freakynl: do you understand when you use a bigger block size why it speeds up?
[08:23] <freakynl> histo: yes because it can fill the buffer/cache on the disk which makes it easier for it to keep on writing continously. Is there a difference between SATA and SAS how this works? Have ran badblocks against SATA disks plenty of times and they don't exhibit this behaviour (perhaps write caching is off by default on SAS I suppose then?)
[08:24] <hpekdemir> hi all. how would you interpret this output from smartctl?
[08:24] <hpekdemir> 7 Seek_Error_Rate         0x000f   063   060   030    Pre-fail  Always       -       4296852064
[08:25] <hpekdemir> 9 Power_On_Hours          0x0032   100   100   000    Old_age   Always       -       63
[08:25] <hpekdemir> isn't that weird?
[08:25] <OerHeks> !paste
[08:25] <histo> hpekdemir: pipe the output to | nc termbin.com 9999
[08:25] <hpekdemir> histo: I only pasted these two lines
[08:25] <hpekdemir> no need for more
[08:26] <hpekdemir> this is a new disk arrvied last week.
[08:26] <histo> hpekdemir: and the column headers for 063 060 030?
[08:26] <hpekdemir> you see its not running for long. how come I get these seek error yet
[08:27] <hpekdemir> VALUE . WORST and THRESH
[08:27] <hpekdemir> in that order.
[08:27] <histo> hpekdemir: and we're supposed to interpret that from your two lines?
[08:27] <hpekdemir> let me nopaste.
[08:28] <histo> hpekdemir: z4x f8* () ?^|
[08:29] <histo> hpekdemir: 01100100 01110010 01101001 01110110   that's the first part of my answer in binary
[08:29] <hpekdemir> http://paste.scsys.co.uk/488414
[08:33] <crazyhorse18> how do i copy my encrypted home directory data to another drive so that it is not encrypted on the other drive?
[08:33] <EriC^^> crazyhorse18: decrypt and mount it
[08:33] <EriC^^> then copy
[08:34] <crazyhorse18> i've read 20 articles on this, and i'm still confused
[08:34] <hpekdemir> now I pasted. and no answer. haha
[08:34] <ESphynx> TJ-: let me know if you have smoething to test :) heading to bed
[08:34] <crazyhorse18> i've tried manually mounting the encrypted drive
[08:34] <EriC^^> crazyhorse18: are you booted into the installation? or a live usb?
[08:34] <crazyhorse18> but i can't get it to work.. i'm booted into the installation
[08:34] <EriC^^> it should already be decrypted
[08:34] <EriC^^> if you've logged in
[08:35] <crazyhorse18> i just exlcude the ./encryptfs directory from my rsync command ?
[08:35] <OerHeks> hpekdemir, seek error rares are extremely high
[08:35] <EriC^^> yeah, i guess, are all your files there?
[08:35] <ESphynx> good night guys
[08:35] <OerHeks> should be 0 on a healthy disc
[08:36] <hpekdemir> OerHeks: but could it be because of the UDMA errors?
[08:36] <hpekdemir> lose cable etc.
[08:36] <crazyhorse18> EriC^^, I'm not sure because i dont' know the mechanics of how this encryptfs drive works
[08:36] <crazyhorse18> i mean to me they just look like normal files
[08:36] <histo> hpekdemir: how old is the drive?
[08:36] <crazyhorse18> but i don't know if it's just decrypting them as they are accessed or..
[08:37] <EriC^^> crazyhorse18: i think you should be able to copy them all correctly
[08:37] <histo> crazyhorse18: you can just copy the files if you see them. It won't encrypt them on the other end.
[08:37] <murcha> I have compressed 60GB of folder(out of 120gb) using tar, but the session terminated. If i restart the tar, will it start after 60GB or from zero?
[08:37] <crazyhorse18> ok.. so i just exclude the encrypt js directory from the rsycn right?
[08:37] <hpekdemir> histo: as you can see 63 hours.
[08:37] <hpekdemir> arrived last week.
[08:38] <histo> crazyhorse18: you can copy that directory as well allthough you won't need it.
[08:38] <histo> hpekdemir: I would warranty it personally
[08:39] <OerHeks> hpekdemir, loose cable .. not sure that can cause this, easy to fix, cables are not that expensive
[08:39] <crazyhorse18> histo: ok
[08:39] <hpekdemir> OerHeks: ok
[08:39] <hpekdemir> I will check the cables
[08:39] <javnut> I have a program (java) which needs to use notification bubbles, but I don't want to use the default bubbles because there's no close button
[08:39] <javnut> what's a good alternative?
[08:41] <histo> javnut: try asking your question in a java room
[08:41] <javnut> I don't need a java specific answer
[08:42] <ikonia> the default buttons ?
[08:42] <histo> javnut: are you writing this program?
[08:42] <javnut> histo: yes
[08:42] <histo> javnut: this is ubuntu related how?
[08:42] <ikonia> do you mean linking it into the desktop, or using java graphical libraries to create bubbles ?
[08:42] <ikonia> could you please define what you mean by bubbles please
[08:42] <javnut> ikonia: no, linking it to a desktop. similar to notify-osd which I'm calling now
[08:43] <ikonia> so that will depend on the desktop/theme
[08:43] <javnut> I'm basically calling notify-send right now with my parameters, I was hoping there's another similar application which I can use which does the same thing
[08:43] <dama> helo
[08:44] <ikonia> not really, if you're trying to hook it into the desktop enviornment you have to depened on what the desktop libraries will display
[08:44] <dama> i want to install windows 8 on ubuntu but did not work
[08:44] <javnut> I don't necesserily want to change my default notification-daemon
[08:44] <murcha> when i apply this on terminal "tar -uvf file.tar folder/ " the htop shows the process as "D tar-uvf file.tar folder/ "?
[08:45] <ikonia> dama: "on ubuntu" ?
[08:45] <ikonia> murcha: and ?
[08:45] <dama> yes using virtual box
[08:45] <javnut> well aren't there specific standalone programs which just display messages, or maybe Gtk libraries?
[08:45] <javnut> actually, I'm going to go look at the Gtk libraries. thanks
[08:45] <murcha> ikonia: why it is a D (uninterrupted sleep) process
[08:45] <OerHeks> javnut, notify-send does not come with an close button whatsoever >  markshuttleworth.com/archives/253 specifically this part: The most controversial part of the proposal is the idea that notifications should not have actions associated with them. In other words, no buttons
[08:46] <ikonia> javnut: there are loads of graphics libraries, but you'll have to depend on someone having those libraries on their system - where as the desktop will always exist
[08:46] <ikonia> murcha: because it's working
[08:46] <javnut> OerHeks: yes, I know
[08:46] <javnut> ikonia: this is a personal application, not meant for distribution
[08:47] <OerHeks> dama, you might want to seek help in #virtualbox or ##windows
[08:47] <dama> can some one assist me, how to install windows 8 on ubuntu using virtual box
[08:47] <ikonia> dama: how did it fail ?
[08:48] <murcha> ikonia: i used ctrl-c to cancel the job "tar -uvf file.tar folder/", because of the D process issue.  Is it safe to restart the job?
[08:48] <OerHeks> win8 can detect vbox AFAIK
[08:48] <dama> dosnt pick the windows cd
[08:48] <ikonia> why did you cancel the job based on a htop output ?
[08:48] <ikonia> just let it run it's job
[08:48] <ikonia> dama: then it suggests either the guest is not set to boot from a virtual CD - or the CD is wrong
[08:49] <murcha> ikonia: because the -v flag doesn't show any output from the tar jobs?
[08:50] <ikonia> what is the exact tar command you are running
[08:52] <murcha> ikonia: sudo tar -uvf  /mnt/backupdisk/remote_server/full/2015/23/site2-2015-06-01.tar /var/www/site2/
[08:52] <ikonia> murcha: so is the tar file actually getting updated ?
[08:53] <murcha> ikonia: i used the -v flag to see what happens, but there is no any output
[08:53] <dama> It reports the error vt-x is disabled
[08:53] <BuzzardBuzz> http://www.wikihow.com/Install-Windows-8-in-VirtualBox
[08:54] <OerHeks> dama, ahhh, shutdown, go into your bios, and enable vt-x
[08:54] <ikonia> murcha: seems odd, can you create a new archive of that directory ?
[08:54] <freakynl> histo: so is it the write caching? It is a sequential write nonetheless so still some confused about the insanely huge difference
[08:55] <murcha> ikonia: it is possible to create new archive. Actually i wanted to shorten the time by updating the old archive.
[08:56] <murcha> about 120GB of data
[08:57] <ikonia> murcha: understand that, but I thought if you can confirm you can create a new archive / not you may get better output which may give you a clue as to why it's not updating
[08:57] <ikonia> murcha: try updating the archive with ah test file in /tmp/1k.file for example
[08:59] <mcphail> murcha: even if it is working, running tar over a remote connection to update a 120GB archive is going to take ages. How long did you wait to see output?
[08:59] <gagalicious> is there a gui firewall that pops up and inform u that if someone is trying to access ur system through a port like avg?
[08:59] <TJ-> murcha: Are there a lot of files in that 120GB, if so, it'll take tar a long time to scan that before it starts accessing the file-system, since an update means it has to shuffle data around inside the existing archive and potentially create a temporary copy of the entire 120GB
[08:59] <histo> freakynl: when you use the buffer you are sacrificing memory by reducing calls
[09:00] <murcha> mcphail: when i create new archive it shows rapidly the output. but when i update an old archive it shows nothing
[09:00] <mcphail> murcha: of course it is quicker to create new - you don't have to check what needs added
[09:01] <mcphail> murcha: this is why tools like rsync are popular
[09:01] <murcha> TJ-: so it is safe to continue with update, isn't it?
[09:02] <murcha> mcphail: yes. updating a tar file should also work
[09:03] <mcphail> murcha: of course, but you need patience. A lot of it, in this case
[09:03] <histo> freakynl: those calls are the source of your slow donw
[09:03] <murcha> mcphail: sure thanks for hints.
[09:05] <mcphail> murcha: I like to use rsnapshot for this kind of things - an rsync wrapper which creates sequetial backups using hard-links for files which haven't changed. You can then tar the backup if you so desire
[09:05] <eduardo> is there any person who knows about hacking/security ? bit offtopic sorry
[09:06] <histo> eduardo: what is your question
[09:06] <murcha> mcphail: it is a great if i can manage squential backups
[09:07] <JordiF> exit
[09:07] <k1l_> eduardo: this channels focus is ubuntu support. and the community obviously cant help on malicious intentions
[09:08] <murcha> ikonia: i tested on my local ubuntu machine and the -v flag works gives and output of updated file.
[09:09] <hl_> Hi, everyone. I have installed Windows 7 on my hard drive, some time ago I installed Ubuntu on another sector same hard drive, after reboot, only Windows 7 started, how can I see grub menu to select OS?
[09:09] <murcha> mcphail: I have compressed 60GB of folder(out of 120gb) using tar, but the session terminated. If i restart the tar, will it start after 60GB or from zero?
[09:10] <EriC^^> hl_: are you in a live usb right now or windows?
[09:10] <OerHeks> hl_, if you installed ubuntu after windows7, hold shift @ boot .. if you installed windows7 after ubuntu, you need to reinstall grub2
[09:11] <mcphail> murcha: I've never used tar for very large archives. I _think_ it starts at 60GB but will take ages working out where to start and what to add. May be quicker starting fresh
[09:11] <arcsky> hey how can i give me full access to a tool called hping3 ?
[09:11] <Guiri> Is there an openssh PPA to update it beyond 6.6 in Trusty?
[09:11] <murcha> mcphail: ok
[09:11] <histo> Guiri: you can search for ppa's on https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+ppas
[09:11] <histo> Guiri: they are not supported here
[09:11] <arcsky> my friend*
[09:12] <hl_> OerHeks, I've installed Ubuntu after Windows 7. sorry, what does mean @hold shitf @ boot .. ?
[09:12] <TJ-> arcsky: Do you mean, give one user elevated privileges to run a single executable?
[09:12] <EriC^^> hl_: do you have uefi?
[09:13] <OerHeks> hl_, while booting, hold shift.
[09:13] <arcsky> TJ-: yeah
[09:13] <EriC^^> i don't think it'll help, he says windows is booting straight away
[09:13] <OerHeks> EriC^^, that is why i asked what is installed last ..
[09:13] <TJ-> hl_: Windows will have overwritten the GRUB boot loader with its own. You'll need to reinstall the GRUB boot loader
[09:14] <EriC^^> TJ-: he said he installed ubuntu after windows 7, yet windows boot straight away
[09:14] <EriC^^> could it be win7 uefi? or just grub-install didn't work in the installer?
[09:14] <hl_> EriC^^, hm I dont know
[09:14] <ikonia> because he's installed grub on the wrong place
[09:14] <TJ-> EriC^^: I read that the opposite way around
[09:14] <EriC^^> or that ^
[09:14] <ikonia> $10 says he installed from a USB disk
[09:15] <ikonia> and grub got put on the USB disk as it's sda
[09:15] <ikonia> because of his bios boot ordering
[09:15] <Johnny_Linux> ill put $20.00 in
[09:15] <ankk> hi
[09:15] <hl_> How can I check is uefi motherboard?
[09:16] <BuzzardBuzz> your bios will tell you
[09:16] <TJ-> hl_: Maybe it's a UEFI system with FastBoot enabled?
[09:16] <EriC^^> hl_: are you in a live usb right now?
[09:16] <BuzzardBuzz> if uefi
[09:16] <ankk> i have a sony svs151290x notebook and i use ubuntu right now. when i check processes kworker was using high cpu and i checked via `powertop` and it seems that acpi using high cpu
[09:16] <ankk> how can i find the true problem
[09:17] <hl_> EriC^^, now usb is not detected while booting
[09:18] <TJ-> ankk: possibly the Sony ACPI implementation is slightly buggy and Linux isn't able to operate correctly with it. There are a lot of ACPI kernel options that might help, but you'd need to do testing with them or search forums, etc., for someone with the same model that's already solved that issue
[09:19] <dionysus69> how to i install many .ttf font files at once?
[09:19] <EriC^^> hl_: ok, type msinfo32 and check what the bios mode says
[09:20] <gagalicious> is there a gui firewall that pops up and inform u that if someone is trying to access ur system through a port like avg?
[09:20] <hl_> EriC^^, sorry, I'm newbie, where should I type this?
[09:20] <mcphail> gagalicious: not sure if Ubuntu has anything quite so annoying! :)
[09:21] <gagalicious> :)
[09:21] <gagalicious> how do i make my Dlink NAS Dns 323 use compressed filesystem?
[09:22] <mcphail> Are you running Ubuntu on your NAS?
[09:22] <TJ-> gagalicious: the most common intrusion detection system is "snort". There may be GUI interfaces to thast
[09:22] <EriC^^> hl_: nevermind, it doesn't seem to work for win7, open this file C:\Windows\Panther\setupact.log and press ctrl+f, and search for the line Detected boot environment
[09:23] <mach20x> So I uninstalled fglrx on my machine and the HDMI still works and it would appear that I am not experiencing the issues I had before.
[09:23] <ubuntu089> Гайс
[09:23] <ubuntu089> Такая проблема
[09:23] <ikonia> !ru | ubuntu089
[09:23] <mcphail> mach20x: the open source radeon drivers are very good for some cards
[09:24] <TJ-> gagalicious: see for example: http://blog.snort.org/2011/10/comparison-of-3-popular-snort-guis.html
[09:24] <mach20x> HDMI never worked on my install of 14.10
[09:25] <mach20x> only after I installed fglrx did it post to my monitor (I installed it after the update to 15.04)
[09:25] <mcphail> aah
[09:26] <mcphail> 3.19 kernel may have helped
[09:28] <mach20x> Probably has, though for the record I will say that it would appear to be working for my two radeon 3600 series graphics cards.
[09:29] <mach20x> is there an output I can dump to provide solid confirmation for development purposes?
[09:32] <javnut> how can I get the old gnome notifications back in precise pangolin?
[09:34] <ikonia> not going to happen
[09:35] <javnut> ikonia: I'm using gnome-flashback, it can happen
[09:36] <javnut> there's tutorials on how to do it, but they're a bit outdated
[09:36] <Jakey2> can someone explain to me what active mq is
[09:36] <Jakey2> ?
[09:37] <asdf_> Every time I boot ubuntu, I have to disable and enable my wired network before it works
[09:38] <k1l_> javnut: the gnome-flashback is just a trimmed down version. it doesnt offer all what gnome2 did offer.
[09:38] <asdf_> I may have changed my /etc/network/interfaces file, but even when I revert to what it was, I still have to do it
[09:38] <asdf_> How do I make sure that my wired connection is working on boot?
[09:40] <BuzzardBuzz> asdf could be flakey hardware issue, you sure it works ok with a boot stick?
[09:41] <mach20x> has anyone posed the idea of creating an option to wishlist apps in the Ubuntu Software Center, or a place where one can view past installed applications?
[09:50] <crazyhorse18> i've just copied my hard drive to a backup drive using rsync, is there anyway i can validate that the copy has been succesfull?
[09:52] <EriC^^> crazyhorse18: rsync does a checksum, you can md5sum if you want
[09:53] <crazyhorse18> hehe, i'm just worried i've just missed files
[09:54] <mcphail> crazyhorse18: rsync is the Chuck Norris of backup tools. If it has missed files, it knows you don't need them :)
[09:56] <mach20x> I'll check to see if the screen freezes tomorrow when I video chat on Hangouts. That has been a little bit of a trouble spot of late. If there are problems I'll report them here.
[09:56] <namerus> ы
[09:57] <namerus> ребята
[10:00] <mach20x> is  Grsync good as well?
[10:25] <TJ-> Ben64: For anyone who wants to test the Trusty fix for bug #1431753 and bug #1268257 https://launchpad.net/~tj/+archive/ubuntu/nvidia
[10:36] <metalice> someone here have hp envy laptop with fingerprint and managed to get it to work?
[10:36] <Mion> metalice: FP readers are horrible, don't use them as your single auth
[10:37] <Mion> metalice: half the time they wont accept valid prints, and the other half you can thrik them with a piece of paper and some spit
[10:37] <metalice> i cant get it to work so its not any auth..
[10:37] <OerHeks> metalice, step 1: check if your FP device is listed here .. https://launchpad.net/~fingerprint/+archive/ubuntu/fingerprint-gui
[10:38] <metalice> mine is 138a:0050 and its not listed there :(
[10:39] <OerHeks> metalice, bad luck :-(
[10:39] <metalice> OerHeks: yes indeed.. so no driver yet? or workaround?
[10:40] <OerHeks> malinator, this list is universal for all linux's... so no
[10:40] <TJ-> metalice: If the use case is for security, you should only use a Fingerprint reader for identity *not* authentication. As in, the fingerprint provides the login username not the authentication token
[10:40] <Mion> it is quite bad for identity too
[10:41] <TJ-> Mion: no different to typing a username
[10:41] <Mion> that list is not complete btw
[10:41] <metalice> TJ-: i want to get it work first..
[10:41] <Mion> TJ-: except much less reliable
[10:41]  * Mion have worked on professional FP systems in access control etc
[10:41] <TJ-> metalice: The chipsets for those devices don't get a lot of open-source driver love from their manufacturers
[10:42] <TJ-> many of us have
[10:42] <irondev> Hey guys I am running Ubuntu Desktop 15.04 on my MacBook(Aluminum) 2008 and I just started it up and now the trackpad is not operational
[10:42] <Johnny_Linux> is there am app for open source driver love ??
[10:42] <irondev> A USB mouse works tho
[10:42] <Mion> irondev: kill switch?
[10:42] <irondev> Mion ?
[10:42] <TJ-> Johnny_Linux: yeah... "Linux" :)
[10:43] <metalice> TJ-: so solution is to wait? lol..
[10:43] <Mion> Johnny_Linux: http://arch.har-ikkje.net/gfx/desulove.jpg
[10:43] <Mion> irondev: many laptops have a button to enable/disable touchpads
[10:43] <irondev> Mion Nope
[10:44] <TJ-> metalice: And ignore it. It won't provide any added benefit and might lull you into a false sense of security. I know it is nice to get all the hardware working with Linux but sometimes you have to pass over it :)
[10:44] <OerHeks> metalice, there has been a request since 2013 ... http://home.ullrich-online.cc/fingerprint/Forum/topic.php?TopicId=347
[10:45] <badbodh> linux devs believe fingerprint isn't secure. anyone can chop your thumb off and voila
[10:46] <OerHeks> .. but i use my left ring-finger :-D
[10:46] <metalice> OerHeks: so i wont get too much hope if 2 years already it didnt came out..
[10:46] <jpds> badbodh: Not just linux devs.
[10:46] <irondev> badbodh What about face recognition
[10:46] <freakynl> badbodh: you can lift someones fingerprints from nearly everything they touch
[10:46] <badbodh> password on the other hand has more security layers. a chopped thumb, few chopped fingers, a threat to your kidnapped family, and voila
[10:46] <irondev> freakynl True
[10:47] <irondev> badbodh KonBoot :D
[10:47] <TJ-> badbodh: fingerprints are zero use as an authentication token.. you leave them lying about everywhere...  that's how the cops used to catch burglars
[10:47] <badbodh> devs would rather work on fixing unity than writing a driver for fingerprints.
[10:47] <freakynl> badbodh: not to mention carjacking, that came when cars got alarms that prevented them from starting. If they have no issue killing you in front of a traffic light for your car, do you really want to secure stuff with your bodyparts?... ;)
[10:48] <badbodh> yes.
[10:48] <TJ-> !offtopic
[10:48] <metalice> all of you write *but* its still a nice tool if you dont care from the machine security too much...
[10:48] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[10:48] <badbodh> irondev, face recognition :D you watch game of thrones ?
[10:48] <metalice> *right
[10:48] <TJ-> BluesKaj: morning
[10:48] <irondev> badbodh Nope
[10:49] <BluesKaj> 'Morning TJ-
[10:49] <metalice> badbodh: you probably mean the god with many faces.. lol :)
[10:49] <badbodh> yep
[10:50] <irondev> badbodh lol
[10:54] <arcsky> anyone have tested to use ssh to authenticate with Windows AD or windows NPS?
[11:08] <dreamcat5> hi. i'm on 15.04 and would like to run a script / command(s) whenever the wired networking is connected or disconnected (but not the wifi one). how to do that please ?
[11:12] <ShapeShifter499> hi
[11:12] <ShapeShifter499> I really want to run a ubuntu chroot under my arch linux system for the purpose of building for android (I tried building in arch but I could never get touch working on my android device). But I'm confused, chroot or schroot?   is there a reason to use one over the other?
[11:12] <st_d3vil> post-ip post-down in /etc/network/interfaces
[11:12] <st_d3vil> post-up
[11:13] <OerHeks> dreamcat5, use something like : cat /sys/class/net/eth0/operstate  # which should give you " up "  when connected.
[11:13] <lord4163> where do I find a list with snappy packages that I can install?
[11:14] <cfhowlett> !snappy | lord4163
[11:15] <scarey> Ok, ubuntu server straight out of the box. create user using sudo adduser --/home/folder thisuser
[11:16] <scarey> but root cannot see the home directory of the new user in ftp
[11:16] <scarey> anyone active?
[11:17] <neetz> I get this error everytime Processing was halted because there were too many errors. E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) , looks like there is some python package reoved from the system
[11:17] <neetz> what nexT ?
[11:17] <NicholasC> It hasn't even been a minute, scarey. Calm down.
[11:19] <ShapeShifter499> I'm guessing schroot adds a user to a chroot so it can be ran without root?
[11:20] <bazhang> !chroot | ShapeShifter499 have a read
[11:20] <neetz> any suggestion ?
[11:21] <k1l_> neetz: can you pastebin the whole output?
[11:21] <k1l_> !paste | neetz
[11:21] <bazhang> neetz, using some PPA?
[11:21] <ShapeShifter499> bazhang: "Install the dchroot and debootstrap packages. "   that cannot be right can it?
[11:21] <k1l_> neetz: and did you change or remove the python packages?
[11:22] <scarey> any thoughts on my root not being able to see users issue?
[11:22] <ShapeShifter499> bazhang: I found that under https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BasicChroot#Creating_a_chroot     I read somewhere that dchroot was deprecated for schroot
[11:22] <neetz> k1l_:  yes
[11:22] <neetz> k1l_: http://paste.ubuntu.com/11724293/
[11:22] <neetz> ubottu: http://paste.ubuntu.com/11724293/
[11:22] <EriC^^> scarey: are you sure passing --<home> is the way?
[11:22] <EriC^^> adduser --/home/something ?
[11:23] <bazhang> ShapeShifter499, have you tried either; both are in the repos
[11:23] <scarey>  sudo adduser --home /home/folder thisuser
[11:23] <ShapeShifter499> bazhang: I'm not working out of ubuntu, I'm attempting a Arch Linux chroot
[11:23] <scarey> this is the command i used
[11:23] <kuba7447> hello
[11:23] <ShapeShifter499> bazhang: er
[11:24] <ShapeShifter499> bazhang: I mean a ubuntu chroot from inside arch linux
[11:24] <bazhang> ShapeShifter499, no idea sorry
[11:24] <k1l_> neetz: so you changed python?
[11:25] <neetz> k1l_:  i removed python 2.7 ,
[11:25] <scarey> Eric^^: did you catch that?
[11:25] <k1l_> neetz: manually?
[11:25] <neetz> k1l_:  command
[11:25] <edakiri> Where do you search non-free packages via WWW?
[11:25] <k1l_> neetz: details matter. what ubuntu, what did you do exactly? what output? etc etc
[11:25] <EriC^^> scarey: yeah
[11:26] <EriC^^> scarey: seems correct
[11:26] <k1l_> neetz: it sounds like you screwed the whole system with manually removing python 2.7.
[11:26] <edakiri> found it. the package was only named differently than I thought.
[11:26] <EriC^^> scarey: ls -l /home/.. doesn't exist?
[11:27] <neetz> k1l_:  first i removed python 2.7 , thru sudo apt-get auto-remove python  and then I removed bin files inside usr/bin both python and python 2.7 folders
[11:27] <scarey> EriC^^: I dont know what that command means
[11:27] <neetz> k1l_:  ubuntu version 14.04
[11:27] <k1l_> neetz: programs like dpkg rely on python
[11:28] <neetz> k1l_:  i know >_<
[11:28] <neetz> k1l_:  what's the solution now ?
[11:28] <OerHeks> neetz, reinstall ubuntu, as installing software needs python2.7
[11:29] <k1l_> imho, a reinstall is the most clean and fast solution.
[11:29] <ShapeShifter499> bazhang: :/
[11:29] <neetz> k1l_:  I've a lot of data and packages and stuff like configu , some other solution ? like system restore is also a trouble ?
[11:29] <k1l_> could take hours to get a proper working state again and a lot of effort to put manually everything back where it belongs. th
[11:30] <k1l_> well if you have system backups or disk images, revert that, yes.
[11:31] <neetz> k1l_:  does ubuntu create snapshots automatically ?
[11:31] <ikonia> neetz: you asked this earlier as the user Goutham - and where told what you neded to do
[11:31] <k1l_> neetz: no
[11:31] <ikonia> why have you come back asking the same thing again as a different user
[11:31] <neetz> ikonia:  no idea who is GOutham :/
[11:31] <ikonia> neetz: it's you - so lets not play games
[11:32] <neetz> ikonia:  dude , I've no idea what you're talking about , so stop fuckin around , i have so many problems
[11:32] <cfhowlett> neetz, stop the profanity.  now.
[11:33] <OerHeks> neetz/Goutham, anyway, backup your data and reinstall
[11:38] <dreamcat5> st_d3vil: thanks. i have done that now. BTW it seems (in 15.04) there is only 'if-up.d/', no 'if-post-up.d/'
[11:39] <st_d3vil> welcome, may be
[11:41] <dreamcat5> st_d3vil: clearly i'm plugging-unplugging right now to test it. it works :) just had to move the script in if-up.d/ folder
[11:41] <foofoobar> Hi. For testing I want to enable password auth for my sshd again. I set „PasswordAuthentication yes“ in my sshd_config and then tried to connect by: ssh -o PreferredAuthentications=keyboard-interactive -o PubkeyAuthentication=no user@host
[11:41] <foofoobar> But when connecting I get: Permission denied (publickey,password).
[11:42] <TJ-> foofoobar: did you restart the sshd first?
[11:42] <foofoobar> TJ-: ofc. sudo service ssh restart
[11:43] <TJ-> foofoobar: is there anything in the target user's ~/.ssh/config to prevent it?
[11:44] <foofoobar> TJ-: no config file in the user’s .ssh folder.
[11:45] <foofoobar> When connecting with -v I get: debug1: Authentications that can continue: publickey,password; debug1: No more authentication methods to try.; Permission denied (publickey,password).
[11:45] <foofoobar> So it looks like „password“ is a valid auth method, why is this not used?
[11:46] <TJ-> foofoobar: any clues in the sshd log file?
[11:46] <foofoobar> TJ-: Is there a separate log file for the sshd?
[11:48] <foofoobar> TJ-: There is a „sshd[19116]: error: Could not load host key: /etc/ssh/ssh_host_ed25519_key“, but this entry does also appear when connecting by pubkey.
[11:52] <foofoobar> TJ-: It’s a wrong ssh command to connect...
[11:52] <foofoobar> „keyboard-interfactive“ should be „password"
[12:04] <austin4315> Hey guys! I need help for configuring the x11vnc server on my machine running Ubuntu GNOME 15.04
[12:04] <austin4315> According to the x11vnc faq: http://www.karlrunge.com/x11vnc/faq.html#faq-gone-lock I can lock my screen after my session completes
[12:04] <austin4315> However, how do I configure it to work on gnome?
[12:08] <rpdaly> join #stench
[12:10] <DreamPCs> Hey guys, hopefully a quick question. How can I assign a  internal domain for a local machine? For instance, my desktop is running Fedora and I can get to it over the network by pointing to fedoradesktop.local (i.e. ssh fedoradesktop.local)
[12:11] <ikonia> try asking in #fedora ?
[12:11] <DreamPCs> I have an Ubuntu machine running as an HTPC, how can I assign a domain to that? (Preferably htpc.local)
[12:11] <ikonia> or have I miss-understood
[12:11] <ikonia> you do that via the resolver
[12:12] <ikonia> so either DNS/Ldap/Hostfiles
[12:12] <DreamPCs> ikonia: I'm just trying to emulate what I've seen done in an Fedora install but I want to do it to an ubuntu installation
[12:12] <mcphail> DreamPCs: that is provided by avahi. Is it running on your htpc?
[12:12] <ikonia> you need name resolution
[12:12] <ikonia> how does avahi impact name resolution ?
[12:12] <DreamPCs> mcphail: Don't know, checking now
[12:13] <DreamPCs> It's installed but I don't think it's running
[12:13] <DreamPCs> (headless btw most things are done via ssh)
[12:14] <DreamPCs> but I will say this, my desktop machine doesn't have avahi installed and this one can be reached at fedoradesktop.local
[12:14] <mcphail> DreamPCs: usually runs automatically, and resolves to "hostname.local", so just set your hostname to whatever you want
[12:15] <DreamPCs> mcphail: my host name is already set to "HTPC"
[12:15] <DreamPCs> ikona: could you possibly be a little more specific?
[12:15] <mcphail> DreamPCs: and HTPC.local doesn't resolve?
[12:15] <DreamPCs> mcphail that thought just popped into my head, I'll check
[12:16] <ikonia> DreamPCs: sorry, which part is not clear
[12:16] <ikonia> mcphail: how does avahi impact name resolution ?
[12:16] <DreamPCs> ikonia: No worries, I think we got it
[12:16] <DreamPCs> mcphail: It does resolve! lol I should have checked that.
[12:16] <TJ-> ikonia: avahi does mDNS
[12:16] <Isai> Hi, I was installing Ubuntu 15.04 in a VM but Ubuntu doesn't recognize my keyboard. I try to type but Ubuntu doesn't do anything.
[12:16] <DreamPCs> I don't think my ssh key is working though, still asking for a password.
[12:17] <mcphail> DreamPCs: ha!
[12:17] <DreamPCs> Isai: what virtualization software are you using?
[12:17] <mcphail> ikonia: avahi is the linux equivalent of bonjour etc
[12:17] <Isai> DreamPCs: VMware Player
[12:17] <ikonia> yeah, so it's not actually doing any name resolution, it's broadcase response ?
[12:17] <Isai> on Windows Server
[12:18] <mcphail> ikonia: to my tiny brain it is doing name resolution :)
[12:18] <DreamPCs> mcphail: I got it working including the ssh keys, thanks for your help and you also ikonia
[12:18] <mcphail> DreamPCs: np. enjoy
[12:18] <TJ-> ikonia: avahi m-DNS does name resolution. See http://www.multicastdns.org/
[12:18] <DreamPCs> Isai, does your mouse work in the virtual machine? And is the keyboard a standard usb keyboard?
[12:19] <ikonia> TJ-: yes, thats basically broadcast response
[12:19] <ikonia> which makes sense
[12:19] <mcphail> ikonia: I don't claim to understand it, but know it works
[12:19] <ikonia> mcphail: no, it' useful for me too, I've not done much with it
[12:19] <Isai> DreamPCs: the mouse works perfectly, I'm RDP'ing into my Windows Server from my phone (it isn't my phone, I can type on Notepad perfectly)
[12:20] <DreamPCs> Ok so let me get this straight: You are using a virtual machine hosted on a Windows server being accessed by RDP from a mobile device?
[12:21] <DreamPCs> There's a lot of jumps here, do you have physical access to the Windows server?
[12:21] <berz3rk1> Why did development stop on Ubuntu Next http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-desktop-next/daily-live/current/ ?
[12:22] <Isai> DreamPCs: no, it's a server in Canada
[12:22] <Isai> I've tried using the "On-screen Keyboard" but that also fails
[12:23] <DreamPCs> Isai: I don't know for certain but I would imagine is has something to do with going over the RDP. Can you install any other screen sharing software like VNC?
[12:23] <DreamPCs>  (On the server)
[12:23] <Isai> I've also tried that
[12:23] <DreamPCs> hmmm
[12:23] <Isai> I'm stuck on the installation (as I can't type)
[12:24] <DreamPCs> When you said you tried the on screen keyboard, are you referring to the Windows on screen keyboard or the one in Ubuntu?
[12:24] <Isai> DreamPCs: on Windows
[12:24] <DreamPCs> Try the on screen keyboard in Ubuntu
[12:25] <OerHeks> berz3rk1, is has not stopped, fresh image 2 days old >> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-gnome/daily-live/20150614/
[12:25] <DreamPCs> I don't know if vmware even detects keys from Windows on screen keyboard
[12:25] <berz3rk1> OerHeks: its not very usable right
[12:25] <OerHeks> berz3rk1, err, wrong url, this one >> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-desktop-next/daily-preinstalled/20150615/
[12:25] <berz3rk1> OerHeks: can I run X11 applications
[12:26] <Isai> DreamPCs: How can I access the on-screen keyboard on Ubuntu (as I said, I'm stuck on the Ubuntu installation because I can't type)?
[12:26] <OerHeks> berz3rk1, is is just an impression, to run live. not to install.
[12:26] <berz3rk1> OerHeks: but i can install 15.10 right
[12:26] <berz3rk1> normal ubuntu development is so boring for the years already ;(
[12:26] <DreamPCs> Isai: I'm assuming your using some type of live media (lve usb image?) from Ubuntu, if so just boot into the live system and install from there
[12:26] <OerHeks> berz3rk1, sure, upgrade to the -d development version.
[12:26] <berz3rk1> the normal ubuntu interface didnt change for years
[12:27] <DreamPCs> If your mouse works, once you boot into the live system you should be able to open the on screen keyboard
[12:27] <Isai> Ah, I see.
[12:27] <OerHeks> berz3rk1, "didn't change for years"  .. really?
[12:27] <berz3rk1> yes
[12:27] <DreamPCs> And I did a quick google search for "vm on screen keyboard" and most of the links I see talk about vmware, try using something like virtualbox
[12:27] <berz3rk1> unity 8 gets all the new stuff, but unity 7 comes with 15.10 .. so sad
[12:28] <berz3rk1> unity 7 is several years old and has no new features
[12:28] <Isai> DreamPCs: Thanks! Looks like it's a VMware error.
[12:28] <DreamPCs> Let us know how it works out.
[12:28] <TJ-> berz3rk1: That's really the point of moving on to version 8... that's where development continues
[12:29] <muh2000> hm
[12:29] <muh2000> i cannot get nvidia driver loaded. what can i do?
[12:29] <berz3rk1> TJ-: but its not ready yet..
[12:29]  * DreamPCs has to use the restroom, brb.
[12:30] <muh2000> same issue with nouveau :(
[12:30] <berz3rk1> OerHeks: but what if i want to install it
[12:30] <muh2000> modprobe: ERROR: could not insert 'nouveau': Invalid argument
[12:30] <OerHeks> berz3rk1, nobody said unity 8 is ready :-D
[12:30] <berz3rk1> OerHeks: what am i supposed to do with this tar gz file
[12:30] <OerHeks> berz3rk1, step 1: join #ubuntu+1 for 15.10/unity-8, as we do not support it untill release.
[12:31] <berz3rk1> im there
[12:31] <OerHeks> well, have fun
[12:31] <berz3rk1> OerHeks: ?
[12:33] <OerHeks> berz3rk1, there are only iso's on http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-gnome/daily-live/20150614/
[12:33] <berz3rk1> OerHeks: Ubuntu gnome is something competly different..
[12:35] <OerHeks> berz3rk1, oh, then you have to use the one you had already.
[12:40] <fyuza21> how to change key config for nautilus for recent versions? editing the accels file does not seem to do the trick anymore
[12:41] <austin4315> yo ikonia its me, austin
[12:41] <austin4315> I need help for configuring the x11vnc server on my machine running Ubuntu GNOME 15.04
[12:41] <austin4315> According to the x11vnc faq: http://www.karlrunge.com/x11vnc/faq.html#faq-gone-lock I can lock my screen after my session completes
[12:41] <austin4315> However, how do I configure it to work on gnome?
[12:58] <kkfwefe> https://www.filepicker.io/api/file/sRCP6qLvTs2hmINfaGos
[13:04] <heipa> hi folks I have used logical vol management soft to reduce size of lvm, now I have free space which I want to use to make ntfs vol
[13:04] <heipa> how can I do it?
[13:06] <kappa1> Anyone knows a good application for ubuntu to edit PDFs? (basically text)
[13:06] <kappa1> I just want to fill in text in some forms
[13:07] <bazhang> !info pdftk
[13:07] <bazhang> kappa1, ^
[13:08] <kappa1> bazhang, are you sure I can write text on PDFs with that tool?
[13:08] <kappa1> It seems that its purpose is just to merge and split pdfs
[13:08] <bazhang> kappa1, try it
[13:09] <kappa1> bazhang, but it is command line based right?
[13:10] <OerHeks> pdf editting on comandline, that is new for me
[13:10] <bazhang> kappa1, apt-cache search pdf for other options
[13:10] <kappa1> ok
[13:12] <xrfang> hello, when I use sshfs or curlftpfs to mount a remote url to local folder, the mounted directory automatically belongs to root, so that I cannot write into it unless using sudo.  How to prevent this? thanks
[13:20] <YamakasY> anyone a clue why a ppa is ignored when I'm asking for a policy on a package ?
[13:21] <OerHeks> YamakasY, on what ubuntu version, and what ppa?
[13:26] <moses> My computer had a shut down error ive never seen last night. Any commands to repair that?
[13:27] <chegney> where can I find what upstart termination status numbers mean?
[13:27] <chegney> I have a post-stop script that terminated with status 2
[13:27] <chegney> dmesg doesn't give any more information than that
[13:29] <OerHeks> moses, hard to say, without error details.. check .xsessions-errors or /var/log/kern.log
[13:29] <infolinux> Hi All, I have just upgrade apache from 2.2 to 2.4. But I need mod-jk module. If i install it with apt libapache2-mod-jk. It needs dependency: apache2.2-common
[13:30] <infolinux> Anybody advise to get the correct mod-jk?
[13:30] <infolinux> Ubuntu version: 12.04
[13:30] <YamakasY> OerHeks: trusty https://launchpad.net/~sssd/+archive/ubuntu/updates
[13:31] <chotaz`w> Hey guys, my ubuntu box is freezing from time to time and I'm not being able to figure out what causes this. I think it fires a kernel panic somehow upon not having more available memory, because all I can do when it freezes is REISUB. What could I do to figure out whats causing this to my system?
[13:31] <OerHeks> YamakasY, and what ubuntu version ?
[13:32] <YamakasY> OerHeks: as I said, trusty
[13:33] <chegney> where can I find what upstart termination status numbers mean? I have a post-stop script that terminated with status 2 in dmesg, but I have no more information than that
[13:34] <OerHeks> YamakasY, and what package were you looking for?
[13:34] <YamakasY> sssd
[13:34] <YamakasY> OerHeks: it should work, but I still get 1.11 instead of 1..12
[13:35] <OerHeks> YamakasY, hmm odd, did you add that PPA recently, and did you update ??
[13:35] <k1l> YamakasY: "sudo apt update"
[13:35] <k1l> YamakasY: and after that please show a "apt-cache policy sssd" in a pastebin
[13:36] <OerHeks> infolinux, how did you update apache to the trusty version??
[13:36] <OerHeks> infolinux, you might better upgrade to 14.04....
[13:36] <infolinux> Yes that´s not a option
[13:37] <OerHeks> infolinux, well, upgrading outside the supported repos can give you these headaches...
[13:38] <infolinux> OerHeks: I have enabled this repo: ppa:ondrej/php5
[13:40] <YamakasY> k1l: as I said, only the default is shown
[13:40] <YamakasY> I even pinned it a higher number
[13:40] <YamakasY> OerHeks: sure I did
[13:41] <OerHeks> infolinux, contact that maintainer, to put libapache2-mod-jk in it? nothing much we can do about that
[13:42] <IrfanAlam> How to installl ffmpeg ?
[13:42] <infolinux> OerHeks: ok, that makes sense
[13:42] <infolinux> thx
[13:43] <OerHeks> infolinux, grabbing the trusty version can get into other issues, i am afraid .. https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libapache-mod-jk
[13:43] <infolinux> Going to manually install it
[13:45] <YamakasY> so it's weird it isn't showed at all
[13:46] <k1l> !paste | YamakasY
[13:47] <YamakasY> k1l: I only see the default repository in there, I know what it should show, both and a pin
[13:48] <OerHeks> IrfanAlam, up to 14.10 ffmpeg was replaced with avconv, due to security issues. as of 15.04 ffmpeg is back
[13:48] <IrfanAlam> OerHeks: how to install avconv?
[13:48] <YamakasY> OerHeks: ffmpeg is in 14.04 if you ask me
[13:49] <k1l> YamakasY: ok, then make sure the ppa is setup right and its working. but dont ask how to do since you refuse to show requested infos.
[13:49] <OerHeks> IrfanAlam, softwarecenter? take a read about it http://askubuntu.com/questions/432542/is-ffmpeg-missing-from-the-official-repositories-in-14-04
[13:50] <YamakasY> k1l: you want to see unrelated stuff, no show is no show... it's setup OK and it's hit during an update... but not for the package
[13:50] <YamakasY> OerHeks: I have ffmpeg in my manifests and it installs great
[13:50] <OerHeks> YamakasY, that is just a dummy package, pointing to avconv
[13:50] <YamakasY> on 14.04
[13:50] <IrfanAlam> OerHeks :I have to install it on my webserver !
[13:50] <k1l> YamakasY: its not unrelated. but your call. but dont expect others to help you if you play that game
[13:50] <YamakasY> OerHeks: but doing the same with the same commands ?
[13:51] <YamakasY> k1l: I don't play a game, nothing is more shown than default... it's like asking for a testdrive of a car you already own
[13:51] <k1l> *sigh*
[13:51] <OerHeks> IrfanAlam, i think you need to install the metapackage  libav-tools
[13:51] <Dr_ST> hi folks
[13:52] <Dr_ST> I'm encountering a problem to backport mod_wsgi in lucid with python2.7...
[13:52] <IrfanAlam>  OerHeks: how ?
[13:52] <k1l> and there is _no_ ffmpeg in 14.04. that is just a false information.
[13:52] <Dr_ST>  /python2.7.10/lib/libpython2.7.a(abstract.o): relocation R_X86_64_32 against `.rodata.str1.8' can not be used when making a shared object; recompile with -fPIC
[13:52] <OerHeks> IrfanAlam, sudo apt-get install <package>
[13:53] <genii> !info ffmpeg trusty
[13:53] <IrfanAlam> which package ?
[13:53] <IrfanAlam> OerHeks: which package ?
[13:53] <OerHeks> IrfanAlam, why do i have to repeat ..
[13:54] <IrfanAlam> OerHeks: I am very new to Linux... Please give me the direct command
[13:55] <OerHeks> libav-tools
[13:55] <k1l> IrfanAlam: install "libav-tools" with any package manager you like
[13:55] <IrfanAlam> OerHeks: just give me the command to enter into ssh...
[13:55] <Semiarty> he just did
[13:55] <Semiarty> man
[13:55] <Semiarty> [16:52:44] <OerHeks> IrfanAlam, sudo apt-get install <package>
[13:56] <Semiarty> sudo apt-get install libav-tools, you can't ask for more
[13:57] <IrfanAlam> OerHeks: Semiarty: sudo apt-get install <package> -bash: syntax error near unexpected token `newline'
[13:58] <k1l> IrfanAlam: come on. dont be a baby that needs spoonfeeding. you need to replace <package> with the actual package name you want to install.
[13:58] <juergen_> hi
[14:00] <IrfanAlam> sudo apt-get install avconv Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done E: Unable to locate package avconv
[14:00] <k1l> IrfanAlam: stop
[14:00] <Semiarty> :|
[14:01] <IrfanAlam> k1l: E: Unable to locate package avconv
[14:01] <BluesKaj> IrfanAlam,  libav-tools and ffmpeg perhaps
[14:01] <Semiarty> is there a way to find out external IP of my ubuntu server? in terminal obviously
[14:01] <k1l> IrfanAlam: we have told you already 3 times the right package name in this channel: <k1l> IrfanAlam: install "libav-tools" with any package manager you like.  and Semiarty even gave you the whole line you need to put into a cli. please think before you ruin your whole system because of blindly putting commands there
[14:02] <YamakasY> fixed
[14:03] <zykotick9> Semiarty: w3m (text broswer) goto google.com, and search for "whats my ip", at the top of the results google will display it <- one option
[14:03] <OerHeks> Semiarty, wget -qO- icanhazip.com
[14:04] <IrfanAlam> k1l: I installed libav-tools still I am getting same error
[14:04] <TvFred> Hi all, new here.  How can I start chromium-browser automatically in kiosk mode as root after LXDE starts ??
[14:04] <k1l> IrfanAlam: which error?
[14:05] <k1l> TvFred: are you sure about the "as root" part?
[14:05] <IrfanAlam> E: Unable to locate package avconv
[14:05] <k1l> IrfanAlam: from which command?
[14:05] <IrfanAlam> k1l:apt-get install avconv
[14:05] <OerHeks> TvFred, browser as root, in kiosk mode is bad.
[14:05] <Semiarty> thanks zykotick9, OerHeks
[14:05] <k1l> IrfanAlam: that command is useless since there is no avconv package
[14:06] <Guest1976> Hi $Ubuntu! Trying this guide: http://wiki.libvirt.org/page/UbuntuKVMWalkthrough. But when I execute the virt-install (3d cmd)it fails because apparmor denies a method call... Anyone know how to resolve this?
[14:06] <IrfanAlam> k1l: OerHeks told me to install avconv
[14:06] <fyuza21> how to change key config for nautilus for recent versions? editing the accels file does not seem to do the trick anymore
[14:07] <OerHeks> IrfanAlam, avconv <>  libav-tools
[14:07] <TvFred> k1l: it's a touchscreen device with webpages pointing to localhost in which some scripts should be ran as root (not a networked unit)
[14:07] <k1l> IrfanAlam: the program is called avconv. but the package in ubuntu is called libav-tools.
[14:08] <juergen_> aha
[14:09] <chotaz`w> Hey guys, my ubuntu box is freezing from time to time and I'm not being able to figure out what causes this. I think it fires a kernel panic somehow upon not having more available memory, because all I can do when it freezes is REISUB.What system log or tools would be helpful into finding what's really causing my system to hang? I'm completely blank here
[14:09] <IrfanAlam> k1l: I installed libav-tools, still it is showing Command line program avconv or ffmpeg not available
[14:10] <k1l> IrfanAlam: what command exactly?
[14:10] <sen_> hi friends
[14:10] <IrfanAlam> k1l: see this and solve all the No problems
[14:10] <IrfanAlam> http://167.160.171.68/nhcefiles.com/web/_h5ai/
[14:11] <TvFred> just tried to insert  chromium-browser --user-data-dir --kiosk &  into /etc/rc.local but it is executed before LXDE , in fact if I recall /etc/rc.local from LXDE terminal all is working ok
[14:11] <juergen_> IrfanAlam: hi
[14:11] <IrfanAlam> juergen_:hi
[14:13] <k1l> IrfanAlam: its hard to help you if we dont know what you actually do there and what program requests avconv or ffmpeg.
[14:13] <tobis> hello everyone
[14:14] <wad> So I had something working previously, then I had to reboot, and so I set it up again, just the way it was before, but it no longer works. Been hammering on it for half an hour, and still nothing. Maybe one of you guys can give ma clue what I'm doing wrong.
[14:15] <wad> I've got a cron job that runs a script that ssh's to some other machines.
[14:15] <tobis> I have an issue with a corrupted PAM lib, and I'm unable to log on my server, any ideas to fix this ?
[14:15] <kalib> Hello guys, since yesterday one of my machines was running ubuntu 14.10. Well, working fine. But after upgrading it to ubuntu 15.04, it started to get very hot. My processor seems to be working all the time in max speed. I have that intel new technology (turbo booster).
[14:16] <kalib> Is anything known about it? About ubuntu using the max speed and turbo booster? It shouldn´t be automatic? Use less when we don´t need it in max speed?
[14:16] <wad> So it needs my keys in the agent. So to do that, I kill any running ssh-agent, then launch it again with "ssh-agent -s > file.foo". Then I add my keys to the running agent with "ssh-add". I see them with "ssh-add -l". My script (run via cron) sources file.foo first thing. THIS WAS WORKING THIS MORNING, but no longer. What's wrong with me?
[14:17] <k1l> kalib: see in system settings > updates and addition software > last tab "prop. drivers" if the intel microcode is activated
[14:17] <kalib> k1l, I will... can´t check it now, because I´m at work and my machine is at home. But I will, thanks for the tip.
[14:19] <PretreSLT> hi guys
[14:22] <tobis> I have an issue with a corrupted PAM lib, and I'm unable to log on my server, any ideas to fix this ?
[14:24] <PretreSLT> Cannot add new user through the User Accounts interface, it's unlock(ed) + button grey out, and cannot do anything from there. This is a GUI related question btw ;-) Thanks.
[14:25] <VastRiver> #linuxba
[14:29] <ricard> It is very noticeable on the computer have to be ram 1400MHz 1600mhz ram
[14:29] <wad> Ah, I figured out what I was doing wrong.
[14:46] <IrfanAlam_> jellow: are you there ?
[14:48] <IrfanAlam_> how to send message to specific people in IRC ?
[14:48] <jellow> IrfanAlam_ hi
[14:48] <somsip> IrfanAlam_: /msg jellow are you there
[14:49] <jellow> IrfanAlam_ what version ubuntu you running?
[14:49] <IrfanAlam_> jellow: 14.04
[14:49] <jellow>   IrfanAlam_ better to get support on main channel as other can help.
[14:50] <IrfanAlam_> somsip: hi , you helped me some day ago
[14:51] <jellow> IrfanAlam_: can you install libav ( sudo apt-get install libav)
[14:51] <IrfanAlam_> jellow: apt-get install libav Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done E: Unable to locate package libav
[14:52] <jellow> IrfanAlam_  figured its libav-tools but you've already installed it.
[14:52] <IrfanAlam_> jellow: so what to do now ?
[14:53] <Semiarty> what do you want to do IrfanAlam_ ?
[14:53] <jellow> IrfanAlam_:  does this return anything ? whereis avconv
[14:54] <IrfanAlam_> jellow: avconv: /usr/bin/avconv /usr/share/avconv /usr/share/man/man1/avconv.1.gz
[14:54] <IrfanAlam_> Semiary: I have to install ffmpeg
[14:55] <MonkeyDust> IrfanAlam_  no, simply use avconv
[14:55] <IrfanAlam_> Semiarty: I have to install ffmpeg
[14:55] <IrfanAlam_> MonkeyDust: how ?
[14:56] <MonkeyDust> IrfanAlam_  in a terminal, type avconv ... or use winff, a nice gui tool
[14:56] <MonkeyDust> !info winff
[14:57] <IrfanAlam_> MonkeyDust: On webserver
[14:59] <MonkeyDust> IrfanAlam_  sudo apt-get install libav-tools
[14:59] <Semiarty> MonkeyDust he has been told to do that countless times today
[15:00] <MonkeyDust> IrfanAlam_  what happens when you install libav-tools?
[15:00] <IrfanAlam_> It got successfully installed
[15:01] <MonkeyDust> IrfanAlam_  great, now, in a terminal, type avconv
[15:01] <tyteen4a03> Hi, I just got a "Timed out waiting for dev-disk-by-id 5baf3c76-ad4f-4888-a792-5859aba6c7cf to load" when booting up. It is a encrypted RAID10 drive and all cables are connected correctly; I don't know what's the problem
[15:17] <IrfanAlam_> anyone there ??
[15:18] <lapion> Yes
[15:18] <lapion> I am somewhere that could be called there, of course it depends where you meant with there.
[15:19] <pbx> IrfanAlam_, just go ahead and ask your question
[15:21] <mibit> hello
[15:21] <mibit> I have a question that maybe someone can help with
[15:21] <neewubee> do ask!
[15:22] <mibit> I am looking to install Ubuntu onto an external USB 3.0 hard disk drive.  I want to boot my system from this external drive.  I've successfully installed Ubuntu onto this drive.  But I can't boot the system.  The computer doesn't see this drive.
[15:23] <mibit> This is unusual because I first did a test by installing Win7 onto a USB stick, and then installed Tails on a USB stick.  I was aable to boot the computer from a USB stick using these systems.  But once I use an external drive with a USB cable, it doesn't work.
[15:23] <mibit> So I think that I am missing a step.  Any idea?
[15:24] <mibit> I know that when I installed Win7 onto the USB stick, I had to prep the stick with a program (I forget the name of it right now.
[15:25] <MonkeyDust> IrfanAlam_  typed avconv? problem solved?
[15:25] <IrfanAlam_> it webserver
[15:25] <IrfanAlam_> its a webserver
[15:25] <MonkeyDust> IrfanAlam_  yes, what happens when you type avconv
[15:25] <IrfanAlam_> avconv version 9.18-6:9.18-0ubuntu0.14.04.1, Copyright (c) 2000-2014 the Libav developers   built on Mar 16 2015 13:20:58 with gcc 4.8 (Ubuntu 4.8.2-19ubuntu1) Hyper fast Audio and Video encoder usage: avconv [options] [[infile options] -i infile]... {[outfile options] outfile}...  Use -h to get full help or, even better, run 'man avconv'
[15:26] <MonkeyDust> IrfanAlam_  voilÃa, that's all, type avconv -h to learn how to use it
[15:26] <csb> mibit, Are you able to select the USB drive from the bios boot menu?
[15:27] <IrfanAlam_> MonkeyDust: still it is showing that it is not availablem
[15:28] <MonkeyDust> IrfanAlam_  what is the exact error mesaage? use a pastebin for multiple lines
[15:28] <mibit> CSB, no it is not listed.  But what I was able to do in the part is select the USB stick from the boot menu when the system starts
[15:31] <MonkeyDust> IrfanAlam_  keep it in the channel please
[15:32] <IrfanAlam> MonkeyDust: are you there ?
[15:32] <MonkeyDust> IrfanAlam  i'm here, so, what happens when you type avconv -h
[15:34] <IrfanAlam> http://pastebin.com/zqXVvPD8
[15:35] <MonkeyDust> IrfanAlam  ok, looks like the problem is solved... now get familiar with avconv
[15:36] <IrfanAlam> still the same error is showing
[15:36] <MonkeyDust> IrfanAlam  pastebin the error please
[15:36] <IrfanAlam> MonkeyDust: can you message me ? I will let you know in that...
[15:37] <MonkeyDust> IrfanAlam  no, keep it in the channel, no need for pm
[15:38] <IrfanAlam> I will tell you my website link
[15:39] <MonkeyDust> IrfanAlam  please, i'm losing patience, paste the link here
[15:39] <IrfanAlam> http://167.160.171.68/nhcefiles.com/web/_h5ai/
[15:40] <MonkeyDust> IrfanAlam  it needs a password
[15:40] <IrfanAlam> empty, just need login
[15:41] <MonkeyDust> IrfanAlam  ok, now what's the problem
[15:41] <IrfanAlam> solve all the NO problems
[15:44] <MonkeyDust> IrfanAlam  looks like a webdesign error or so, not sure how to integrate bash command into html
[15:44] <k1l> IrfanAlam: best is to ask the h5ai guys that they are looking for the wrong stuff for avconv
[15:44] <MonkeyDust> IrfanAlam  it's not ubuntu related
[15:45] <boodllebat__> is it possible to use both key and password authentication ? like key comes first if key is there then password authentication ?
[15:46] <chotaz`w> Hey guys, my ubuntu box is freezing from time to time and I'm not being able to figure out what causes this. I think it fires a kernel panic(?) because all I can do when it freezes is REISUB.What system log or tools would be helpful into finding what's really causing my system to hang? I'm completely blank here, but I've already ran a memtest to make sure my memory hasn't any big issues.
[15:49] <jayjo> with crontab, can I say just run every two hours? How do i do that?
[15:49] <polyzium> hey guys
[15:49] <jayjo> I know how to do every day at 10 am etc
[15:49] <polyzium> where grub2 config is located?
[15:50] <jayjo> would I just do * for days (all), and then */2?
[15:50] <jayjo> Is that every 2
[15:50] <Pici> jayjo: yes. See man 5 crontab
[15:51] <polyzium> where grub2 config is located?
[15:51] <EriC^^> polyzium: /boot/grub/grub.cfg
[15:51] <polyzium> but it says do not edit this file
[15:52] <EriC^^> what are you trying to do?
[15:52] <k1l> polyzium: the changes are made in other files. like the running scripts or the default file.
[15:52] <k1l> polyzium: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2
[15:53] <polyzium> EriC^^, i deleted my old linux partition and expanded my new one. after expanding i rebooted my computer and grub says no such partition
[15:53] <EriC^^> polyzium: are you in a live usb right now?
[15:53] <polyzium> yup
[15:53] <polyzium> bootrepair again?
[15:54] <polyzium> i just need to change the partition to sda6
[15:54] <EriC^^> no, follow this guide from step 6 https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2/Installing#via_ChRoot
[15:54] <Heather3Ever> hello
[15:54] <Semiarty> I dont get it, I am trying to create private/public keys, I created it and then copied the public key to the remote server and placed it in /.ssh/ and renamed to authorized_keys, however when I try to connect to that remote server I get enquired for passphrase everytime, what I am doing wrong?
[15:55] <EriC^^> Semiarty: what's the permissions of the file?
[15:55] <Semiarty> on the remote server?
[15:55] <EriC^^> yes
[15:55] <polyzium> omg this is so complex
[15:56] <Pinkamena_D> So today I woke up my laptop after undokcing it and the screen was black (no power to it), but the hdd light blinked a few times and the lock lights still worked - I think that the screen was just not correctly resumed after the undocking but the kernal was still running. It where any kind of keyboard short I can make which will re-initialize the display in this case so I do not have to do a hard reboot?
[15:56] <EriC^^> polyzium: type sudo parted -l | nc termbin.com 9999
[15:56] <Semiarty> rw
[15:56] <EriC^^> rw-------- ?
[15:56] <Semiarty> -rw-------
[15:57] <EriC^^> ok
[15:57] <EriC^^> who owns the file?
[15:57] <Semiarty> I do?
[15:57] <EriC^^> k
[15:58] <boodllebat> Hello i have already public-key authetication i want like this if user logins with key successfully he should be asked for a key
[15:58] <Heather3Ever> http://puu.sh/ir4YU/e731810bfd.jpg
[15:58] <enterprisey> Heather3Ever: /r/riskyclicks is thataway
[15:59] <mj_> Quick question: how can I join the official Ubuntu phone mailing list?
[15:59] <Semiarty> so EriC^^? anything to add?
[16:00] <OerHeks> mj_, join #ubuntu-touch please. the topic has all info
[16:00] <mj_> ok thank
[16:00] <EriC^^> Semiarty: what's the permissions of ~/.ssh
[16:01] <mj_> just to let you know, please feel free to join our fb community: https://www.facebook.com/groups/iuseubuntu
[16:01] <Semiarty> it just shows the list of files in that folder
[16:01] <ikonia> mj_: please dont spam that
[16:01] <EriC^^> Semiarty: type ls -ld ~/.ssh
[16:02] <Semiarty> drwx------
[16:02] <EriC^^> ok, try ssh -vvv to get more info
[16:03] <Semiarty> it says you ahve to specify host and then a variety of options
[16:03] <Semiarty> I guess I have to check the host of the remote server of interest?
[16:03] <EriC^^> ssh -vvv user@host
[16:03] <Semiarty> when I do I have a huge list of lines with debugX (where X 1 2 3 ... )
[16:04] <Gargoyle> Does any part of Ubuntu (or Linux, generally) have anything like common services that all applications can call upon via libraries/APIs for managing things like AddressBook Contacts, etc?
[16:04] <OerHeks> Semiarty, after editting, did you restart ssh ?
[16:04] <Semiarty> well, I did not restart my own server if that's what you're refering to
[16:05] <Semiarty> what should I see EriC^^?
[16:06] <bstarek> Semiarty, sudo service ssh restart
[16:06] <EriC^^> Semiarty: paste the output in paste.ubuntu.com
[16:07] <OerHeks> bstarek, could be one of these 2: sudo service ssh restart / systemctl restart sshd.service (15.04/systemD)
[16:08] <Semiarty> the thing is, that I had it working, but when there was no passphrase (I just clicked enter each time I was asked for it)
[16:08] <bstarek> OerHeks, sorry, true, i am still doing it the old way
[16:08] <Semiarty> but then I decided get one
[16:08] <Semiarty> and then it stopped working properly
[16:08] <Heather3Ever> http://puu.sh/ir673/1aa0cd3832.jpg
[16:09] <OerHeks> Heather3Ever, should we click that and why ?
[16:10] <bstarek> OerHeks, i am systemED yet =)
[16:10] <bstarek> NOT
[16:10] <OerHeks> bstarek, no problem, just saying, and as a reminder of those reading us
[16:11] <bstarek> OerHeks, you are right.
[16:11] <OerHeks> c/of-to
[16:12] <Semiarty> OerHeks I just created a new publc/private key to try and again did not use any passphrase and now I did not have to type in the password to the remote server
[16:12] <Semiarty> zz
[16:13] <OerHeks> Semiarty, nice, have fun!
[16:14] <Semiarty> well, the point is that its not what I want
[16:14] <Semiarty> I want one working with passphrase :|
[16:14] <OerHeks> err pass + keys ?
[16:16] <EriC^^> Semiarty: you have to set that up when you make the keys i think
[16:16] <EriC^^> it asks you for a passphrase when you type ssh-keygen
[16:16] <bstarek> would "update-rc.d johdone defaults" still work with systemd?
[16:17] <Semiarty> yes, EriC^^, so that was my problem
[16:17] <Semiarty> when I did in fact include a passphrase, it wouldn't work properly and I would ask for that prhase everytime I connected to a remote server
[16:17] <Semiarty> when I left it empty (just clicked enter) - it works
[16:17] <OerHeks> In Fedora you can use "RequiredAuthentications2 pubkey,password " not sure this is available for debian/ubuntu too ....
[16:17] <EriC^^> that's what the passphrase is, it's normal
[16:18] <Semiarty> oh
[16:18] <Semiarty> I see
[16:18] <Semiarty> so I just misunderstood the concept
[16:18] <EriC^^> it unlocks the keys so you can use them, in case your laptop gets stolen so nobody can ssh in and you have enough time to change the keys
[16:19] <Semiarty> does the public key has to be named authorized_keys? or it can be any other name?
[16:19] <Semiarty> always*
[16:19] <IrfanAlam> how to install command line
[16:19] <EriC^^> i think it has to be authorized_keys , and it has strict permissions too
[16:20] <myndzi> where does the result of crontab -e go?
[16:20] <ikonia> what do you mean where does it go
[16:20] <EriC^^> myndzi: /var/spool/cron/......
[16:20] <myndzi> i mean, when i run 'crontab -e' i get an editor
[16:20] <myndzi> i put some things in the editor
[16:20] <myndzi> and it says "installing crontab"
[16:20] <ikonia> correct
[16:20] <myndzi> where do the things i typed wind up?
[16:21] <myndzi> since they don't seem to have run and i can't seem to find them
[16:21] <ikonia> it is a syntax specific editor
[16:21] <ikonia> why don't you give us an example of one of your entries
[16:21] <ikonia> rather than trying to fight how cron works
[16:21] <myndzi> the output, i mean, the result; what does the editor do with them
[16:21] <ikonia> lets fix your problem
[16:21] <OerHeks> Semiarty, also there is an excellent wiki about ssh https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSH/OpenSSH/Keys
[16:21] <IrfanAlam> Eric^^: how to install command line
[16:21] <EriC^^> myndzi: the editor saves them in /var/spool/cron/..... but that's irrelevant to your problem i think
[16:21] <myndzi> i mean after that
[16:22] <myndzi> crontab takes that file and puts it somewhere yes?
[16:22] <ikonia> myndzi: lets see one of your failing jobs
[16:22] <myndzi> (that directory doesn't have anything)
[16:22] <ikonia> myndzi: show us one of your problem jobs
[16:22] <EriC^^> cron runs them, if you want to see if it ran check /var/log/syslog
[16:22] <t0by> Don't know if this is the right channel, but I am running Ubuntu 14.04 on a Thinkpad T400, it's a P8600. Now, it's sluggish. I have 8GB RAM, but it's sluggish. The disk seems to be thrashing a lot. Do you think an SSD would be an improvement?
[16:22] <myndzi> 01 2 * * * myndzi cd /home/myndzi/dailyscrape && ./scrape
[16:22] <ikonia> myndzi: so thats not going to work
[16:22] <gambl0re> is it ok to have more than one package manager? for example i already have rpm but i need to install npm. is this gonna be an issue?
[16:22] <myndzi> i mean, it's a simple question; presumably when it gets "installed" it gets installed somewhere i can look at
[16:22] <EriC^^> first you don't put your username there
[16:22] <ikonia> as you don't have a full path to ./scrape
[16:22] <EriC^^> that's just for /etc/crontab
[16:22] <myndzi> that's what the cd is for, the script wants a cwd
[16:22] <t0by> gambl0re, yes and no.
[16:23] <ikonia> myndzi: you don't change directory
[16:23] <ikonia> is wrong
[16:23] <ikonia> myndzi: you also don't use your username
[16:23] <ikonia> so your whole format is
[16:23] <ikonia> myndzi: cron is not a shell
[16:23] <myndzi> okay, i was told that crontab -e was supposed to alert me to errors ;(
[16:23] <ikonia> myndzi: it is  job schedule
[16:23] <gambl0re> so what should i do then
[16:23] <t0by> Theoretically nothing stops you. Practically it defeats the whole purpouse of a package manager. npm (or pip, tex-live, etc) is an exception because it's not a stystemwide package manager but int only works for a particular subsystem
[16:23] <gambl0re> i need for rpm for ruby and i need npm for javascript..
[16:23] <AlveKatt> Anyone know how I turn off 3d acceleration in ubuntu 14?
[16:24] <myndzi> EriC^^: why is /etc/crontab different? how should i launch a specific script in a specific working directory as a specific user, then?
[16:24] <auronandace> gambl0re: ubuntu is not an rpm based distribution
[16:24] <t0by> gambl0re, to give you an idea, I once read a console log that had "yum install apt-get" followed by "apt-get install npm". The guy became the laughing stock of the office because of the former line.
[16:24] <kuba7447> .deb based
[16:24] <ikonia> myndzi: forget /etc/crontab
[16:24] <bstarek> would "update-rc.d johdone defaults" still work with systemd?
[16:24] <t0by> auronandace, maybe he's running Fedora or something?
[16:24] <ikonia> myndzi: crontab -e is the correct tool, and I've told ou the problems
[16:24] <myndzi> i'm glad you've told me the problems, but that doesn't help me solve them :P
[16:25] <AlveKatt> Anyone know how I turn off noveau 3d acceleration in ubuntu 14?
[16:25] <ikonia> myndzi: yes it does
[16:25] <ikonia> myndzi: if you fix the problems - it will work
[16:25] <kuba7447> if you want a RPM based distro, use fedora
[16:25] <myndzi> i assume so
[16:25] <myndzi> the question is how? if i'm not just executing a shell command, how do i set the CWD?
[16:25] <EriC^^> myndzi: just remove your username and it should work, also specify the full path to the script straight away
[16:25] <ikonia> myndzi: you don't
[16:25] <ikonia> myndzi: you call the full path
[16:25] <EriC^^> myndzi: /path/to/script is the same as cd /path/to && ./script
[16:25] <gambl0re> too late, im already using ubuntu. i need to install emberjs and they require npm...
[16:26] <HoloPed> hey all, I'm trying to mount a USB drive and I get this error : wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sdb1
[16:26] <HoloPed> what does it mean ?
[16:26] <myndzi> EriC^^: ok, tahnks
[16:26] <ikonia> myndzi: you're going to find it easier if you write a script that does what you want, then call that script from cron
[16:26] <t0by> EriC^^, except working directory etc.
[16:26] <myndzi> thanks*
[16:26] <gambl0re> what could happen if i have two packaged managers?
[16:26] <EriC^^> t0by: ah
[16:26] <t0by> gambl0re, it's okay. npm is more than okay. apt-get install npm and then npm install whatever. npm is a package manager specfically for the node.js usbsystem.
[16:26] <myndzi> seems like every time i try to work with the default system tools i find they're clunky as all hell :P
[16:26] <t0by> EriC^^, you know, if script contains an rm -R *
[16:26] <myndzi> i've now banged my head against syslog, upstart (the shitty centos version) and cron
[16:26] <t0by> stuff could get funny
[16:26] <myndzi> :|
[16:27] <gambl0re> ok thanks
[16:27] <ikonia> myndzi: they are not clunky at all
[16:27] <kuba7447> im my opinion, synaptic is the best package manager
[16:27] <t0by> gambl0re, btw rpm != npm
[16:27] <ikonia> myndzi: you're not learning how to use them, you're just doing random things with them, then being upset that they don't work
[16:27] <myndzi> "not being able to execute a command like you could from the shell" seems pretty clunky compared to alternatievs
[16:27] <t0by> ikonia, you know, that was my thing with women at the age of 16
[16:27] <myndzi> and i'm not mad, just apathetic at this point :P
[16:27] <ikonia> myndzi: no, it's  not meant for that
[16:27] <ikonia> myndzi: it's a job scheduler
[16:28] <ikonia> not a command line tool
[16:28] <myndzi> i keep trying to veer away from things that reinvent the wheel, but it turns out maybe new wheels are useful :)
[16:28] <ikonia> again - you're trying to do the wrong thing  with the wrong tool
[16:28] <ikonia> myndzi: re-invent the whel
[16:28] <t0by> ikonia, yes, I got a lot of that too
[16:28] <ikonia> wheel ?
[16:28] <ikonia> cron has been a solid tool for 20+ years
[16:28] <myndzi> right, so when i say 'this tool is clunky for my purpose' and you say 'no it's not, you're just trying to do something this tool doesn't work for', that's kind of self contradictory :)
[16:28] <ikonia> do you think a.) it's wrong b.) you're using it wrong
[16:28] <ikonia> I think b seems more likely
[16:28] <myndzi> b is obvious, but that doesn't mean it's not clunky :P
[16:29] <ikonia> myndzi: it is not clunky
[16:29] <ikonia> you are using the wrong tool
[16:29] <t0by> myndzi, enjoy the windows task scheduler.
[16:29] <myndzi> i think you just want to argue about everything you possibly can
[16:29] <myndzi> so i'm going to stop responding
[16:29] <ikonia> myndzi: and you can execute command line argument with it
[16:29] <t0by> myndzi, or that5 crappy thing they had on old Sun machines :P
[16:29] <ikonia> I don't want to argue with you at all
[16:29] <ikonia> I want you to use the right tools and get the right results, whih is why I'm giving you info on how to use cron properly
[16:30] <t0by> myndzi, trust ikonia. he has his shit together.
[16:30] <ikonia> t0by: tone the language down please
[16:30] <myndzi> it should be enough presumably to add a 'cd /absolute/path' at the top of the shell script
[16:30] <myndzi> to get the cwd right
[16:30] <ikonia> myndzi: no
[16:30] <ikonia> again - it is not a "shell"
[16:30] <ikonia> it's a job scheduler
[16:30] <myndzi> i mean in the script that cron is referencing
[16:30] <myndzi> not in the crontab file
[16:30] <t0by> ikonia, he has his... his... "he knows where his towel is"?
[16:31] <AlveKatt> How do I turn off noveau 3d acceleration in ubuntu 14.something?
[16:31] <ikonia> myndzi: you don't use "cd"
[16:31] <myndzi> so i can call it from anywhere and it will be in the right directory
[16:31] <ikonia> myndzi: call the script/command from the full path
[16:31] <auronandace> !behelpful | t0by
[16:31] <ikonia> no, you use the full path
[16:31] <myndzi> yes, i understand that
[16:31] <t0by> myndzi, using cd will NOT work because it's not a shell, it doesn't have the *concept* of cworking directory
[16:31] <myndzi> and the full path to the script/command
[16:31] <myndzi> itself
[16:31] <ikonia> myndzi: great, so you have no need for "cd"
[16:31] <myndzi> will get me a script that executes, yes?
[16:31] <myndzi> now if i want that script to execute in a specific directory, inside of that script, i should be able to cd to that directory, yes?
[16:32] <ikonia> myndzi: you can do that from within the script, yes
[16:32] <t0by> auronandace, I'm... familiar with cron? I was just agreeing with ikonia. myndzi kind of seems in need of hearing people telling him ikonia is speaking perfect sense. Which he is.
[16:32] <myndzi> that's all i was saying
[16:32] <myndzi> and it will run as the user that executed 'crontab -e' ?
[16:33] <ikonia> myndzi: correct
[16:33] <ikonia> myndzi: do you want to try an example entry so we can check it for you
[16:33] <myndzi> i followed everything just fine :)
[16:33] <myndzi> absolute path, no cd, remove username
[16:33] <ikonia> can you show us your example entry
[16:33] <Semiarty> well, I was wondering if I could connect to a 2nd remote server with one command? at the moment I have to ssh host1 and then ssh host2 to get to host2, could I do something that I would only have to write lets say ssh host2fast and I would  get from my server to the host2? I have private/public keys on both servers in a chain order, so I don't need passwords to connect to them
[16:33] <ikonia> lets take a look at it
[16:33] <myndzi> 01 2 * * * /home/myndzi/dailyscrape/scrape
[16:33] <ikonia> much better
[16:34] <myndzi> and at the top of that file under the hashbang, cd /home/myndzi/dailyscrape
[16:34] <myndzi> i realize it would be better not to make it depend on the cwd but it's calling external tools
[16:34] <myndzi> and they don't have that ability (yet)
[16:35] <EriC^^> Semiarty: does ssh user@host1 "ssh user@host2" work ?
[16:35] <Semiarty> ill try
[16:36] <Semiarty> no EriC^^, it says "pseudo-terminal will not be allocated because stdin is not a terminal"
[16:36] <histo> Semiarty: don't use the quotes
[16:36] <Semiarty> same
[16:37] <Semiarty> it connects to host1 and I get this message fyi
[16:37] <histo> Semiarty: why can't you reach host2 from your machine?
[16:37] <myndzi> ikonia: thank you for your help
[16:37] <histo> kind of silly pivoting through another box
[16:37] <Semiarty> because host2 is a local server behind a host1 network
[16:38] <Semiarty> I have to ssh to uni's network and then ssh to a research computing server
[16:38] <Semiarty> which I cannot access externally
[16:38] <ikonia> myndzi: no problem
[16:38] <IrfanAlam> hey how to install command line ?
[16:40] <histo> IrfanAlam: ?
[16:40] <histo> IrfanAlam: you mean a command line only system.
[16:40] <gambl0re> open up your terminal...
[16:40] <OerHeks> IrfanAlam, is this related to your webserver-page ?
[16:40] <histo> Semiarty: I'm still thinking of a way to do whatyou want. hold up
[16:40] <Semiarty> yeah, I thought so
[16:40] <IrfanAlam> yes
[16:40] <Semiarty> I tried tunneling as well, but the intermediate host (uni network) does not have netcat
[16:40] <IrfanAlam> the error is Php command line not detected
[16:41] <t0by> Don't know if this is the right channel, but I am running Ubuntu 14.04 on a Thinkpad T400, it's a P8600. Now, it's sluggish. I have 8GB RAM, but it's sluggish. The disk seems to be thrashing a lot. Do you think an SSD would be an improvement?
[16:41] <Semiarty> http://sshmenu.sourceforge.net/articles/transparent-mulithop.html this one
[16:41] <histo> Semiarty: tried -t
[16:41] <ikonia> t0by: have a look at why the disk is thrashing
[16:41] <IrfanAlam> OerHeks: Yes
[16:41] <ikonia> that will tell you more
[16:41] <t0by> ikonia, it's not swapping.
[16:41] <gambl0re> guys i want to install emberjs. i already installed the npm package manager now i want to install ember-cli. do i install with sudo using sudo npm install -g ember-cli ?
[16:41] <ikonia> t0by: ok - so what's it doing ?
[16:41] <Semiarty> wow it's busy in here tonigth ;D
[16:42] <Semiarty> histo the same ssh -t host1 ssh -t host2?
[16:42] <t0by> ikonia, it happens very frequently and is not linked with something in particular, except that of course the machine is doing I/O of some kind - say, launghing a program or loading a big datafile.
[16:42] <histo> Semiarty: ssh -t host1 "ssh host2"
[16:42] <t0by> Could be Picasa, could be IntelliJ, really.
[16:43] <t0by> The pattern is the same: "chug chug chug chug chug".
[16:43] <ikonia> t0by: have a look at the I/O operations, see what's using the disk at that time
[16:43] <Semiarty> eh, did ssh -t host1 ssh -t host2 and it worked, should I expect any difference between the two commands?
[16:43] <t0by> ikonia, what would I be looking for?
[16:43] <t0by> ikonia, you seem to have something in mind.
[16:43] <ikonia> t0by: see what's using the disk
[16:43] <ikonia> nothing in mind, hence curious to what's using it
[16:44] <t0by> ikonia, just iostat?
[16:44] <t0by> er
[16:44] <t0by> iotop
[16:44] <Semiarty> well, histo, the same result with your command as well, now I just have to write a script? so I don't have to write such a long command line?
[16:44] <histo> Semiarty: -t is forcing the pseudo tty allocation so that the command run remotely doesn't just exit
[16:45] <OerHeks> IrfanAlam, i have no idea, that _h5ai webserver thing is not in our repos, maybe you better ask in #ubuntu-server
[16:45] <histo> Semiarty: in your .bashrc just put alias remote='ssh -t host1 ssh host2'
[16:45] <IrfanAlam> OerHeks: Just tell me how to install cli
[16:46] <histo> Semiarty: then 'source .bashrc' or log out and back in of that terminal and you can just type remote
[16:47] <OerHeks> IrfanAlam, you already have cli - comand line interface, but what you want is that special webthing, that i don't know.
[16:48] <histo> IrfanAlam: command line only system can be installed by install ubuntu server.
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[16:48] <histo> IrfanAlam: or you can just remove the desktop.  it's up to you.
[16:48] <OerHeks> histo, he wants a dash/terminal in that website
[16:48] <IrfanAlam> OerHeks: No, you understood wrong
[16:48] <Semiarty> histo what if I want to use 2 word combo? like ssh host, can I do that? cause when I write in bashrc only 1 word gets highlited in teal
[16:50] <hplc> how can i make this script automatically overwrite my present servers/sources?   http://pastebin.com/gwjj4Ebx
[16:50] <histo> Semiarty: are you using single quotes like I was?  You can include double quotes inside of them if you want. alias foo='something -option "something2 whatever"'
[16:50] <hplc> or rather the outcome overwrite the present servers
[16:50] <histo> Semiarty: what is hilighting teal your editor?
[16:51] <Semiarty> histo, what I meant is that I would like to use alias ssh host=....
[16:51] <Semiarty> but only ssh is highlighted in teal
[16:51] <auronandace> Semiarty: why not use an underscore instead of a space?
[16:51] <IrfanAlam> OerHeks: The script I want to use h2ai is directory indexer.... and it needed ffmpeg, zip, du, convert module to be installed on the server so that user can download the file in that directory in zipped, or preview it. If the directory has video content then they can play it via ffmpeg ....
[16:52] <Semiarty> will it be read as space in the terminal or underscore auronandace?
[16:52] <Semiarty> it's not a major issue and I am just being picky, I was wondering if I can have 2 separate word combo working
[16:52] <Semiarty> instead of just 1 word alias
[16:52] <IrfanAlam> OerHeks: Did you understand ?
[16:53] <Semiarty> I could just just remote like histo told me, it's just my curiosity, nothing else
[16:53] <Guma> I have 64G SD card (Sumsung) that I one resizes to Max using gparted. Now that I configured fresh image with everything I want I want to shrink it before dd and then truncate. The weird thing is that gparted will not allow me to shrink it. After I select partition I want to shrink then I click on resize button and then as usual I try to move slider down to desired partition size. But I does not allow me to do this. Anyone has idea why? It did try with gparted
[16:53] <Guma>  0.18 and 0.19
[16:54] <Semiarty> I am pretty new to ubuntu server and terminal and I am learning, thus interested in everything related.
[16:55] <IrfanAlam> Samiarty: OerHeks: k1l: histo: The script I want to use h2ai is directory indexer.... and it needed ffmpeg, zip, du, convert module to be installed on the server so that user can download the file in that directory in zipped, or preview it. If the directory has video content then they can play it via ffmpeg ....
[16:56] <Semiarty> found my answer, nevermind
[16:56] <Semiarty> thank you very much histo
[16:57] <histo> Semiarty: what did you end up doing?  a function?
[16:58] <Lurchy> cool..using hexchat for first time  :-)
[16:58] <Semiarty> found stuff like http://superuser.com/questions/105375/bash-spaces-in-alias-name histo, but I am going to stick to just one word for now
[16:59] <histo> Semiarty: yeah that explains the issue that it only checks the first word of a command for an alias
[17:00] <Lurchy> if I installed ubuntu 14.04 server on a single 500MB drive....what would be the best remote admin backup method?
[17:00] <Lurchy> I want to take snapshots and backup offsite...
[17:00] <Lurchy> on samerr...not offsite...on same network on another drive
[17:00] <histo> Lurchy: rsnapshot or something similar
[17:01] <histo> !backup | Lurchy
[17:01] <auronandace> Lurchy: would it fit on something that small or did you mean 500GB?
[17:01] <Lurchy> I have used diff things in windows...but I see this default backup installed in the client.....is there a backup util installed in a server instance?
[17:02] <Crucerio> hi, my ubuntu 14.04 gnome laptop does not remember my display settings (pivot display so its pretty ugly on startup)
[17:03] <Lurchy> I want to remote admin using a gui client (win/linux)
[17:03] <Lurchy> ahhh..ill be back after I read up
[17:04] <Lurchy> auro...i meant 500gb
[17:04] <Lurchy> mistype :-)
[17:05] <Crucerio> does anyone know why a laptop might forget the external display settings?
[17:05] <Crucerio> on reboot
[17:06] <histo> Lurchy: Remote admin using gui client of what?
[17:07] <Lurchy> well...I installed ubuntu server onto this 3.2ghz systam I am sticking in the closet...want to remote admin the box....ao I took out video card...
[17:07] <Lurchy> err so
[17:08] <Lurchy> basically...installing things step by step as a noob....want to be able to take sanpshots of ubuntu install as i progress...in case I screw it up
[17:08] <regedit> is this the channel Tj- frequents?
[17:09] <Lurchy> Ive used norton on windows...is there similar program in linux...im reading up on list now
[17:10] <regedit> is there a "last seen" feature on freenode / #ubuntu?
[17:10] <histo> regedit: he's in here now
[17:11] <regedit> oh wow what a coincidence
[17:11] <regedit> TJ-: hello!
[17:12] <histo> regedit: you can /whois username
[17:13] <IrfanAlam> which files contains default index-file list ?
[17:13] <TJ-> Someone called?
[17:14] <IrfanAlam> TJ-: which file contains default index-file list ?
[17:15] <regedit> TJ-: yessr, how are you today :)
[17:16] <docmur> If I'm running apt-get in a shell script, how do I surpess it asking me for feed back, right now I'm doing apt-get -y install grub2 svn, but grub2 asks me to for some options, I want to prevent that and run a grub-install later
[17:16] <IrfanAlam__> TJ-: ?
[17:16] <regedit> TJ-: so you seem to know a little bit about BIOS/UEFI
[17:17] <regedit> IrfanAlam__: it was me
[17:17] <IrfanAlam__> regedit: which file contains default index-file list ?
[17:17] <histo> IrfanAlam__: can you type du in the terminal does it output anything?
[17:18] <Krigsforbryter> Hello, i have a problem with creating raid 6, can anyone se the problem? http://pastebin.com/wTMx6tbi
[17:18] <IrfanAlam__> histo: 4       ./.cache 1364    .
[17:18] <TJ-> regedit: A little bit
[17:19] <TJ-> What is a "default index-file list" ?
[17:19] <histo> IrfanAlam__: okay well du is installed but your silly web thing is saying it's not available
[17:21] <IrfanAlam__> TJ-: it save the preferred file fetched when a directory is accessed... like index.php index.htlm index.cgi ....
[17:23] <TJ-> IrfanAlam__: Ahhh, you need to be more specific. You mean for a web server, which on Apache httpd is the DirectoryIndex directive. To find all instances of that do "grep -rn DirectoryIndex /etc/apache2/*"
[17:23] <regedit> TJ-: i'm still stuck at the part where i cant flash the bios... does it make sense that if i tear down my UEFI dual boot setup, and install an old msdos MBR OS, that my existing BIOS setup will suddenly reappear?
[17:24] <IrfanAlam__> TJ-: grep: /etc/apache2/*: No such file or directory
[17:27] <TJ-> regedit: Hmmmm, doesn't make sense *unless* the firmware, in UEFI mode, is stuck in "FastBoot" mode. Can you get into Setup and check the state of that setting. You might find doing a complete factory default reset of the firmware settings will cure your issue (if you're lucky!)
[17:28] <TJ-> IrfanAlam__: Is that system using Apache httpd as its HTTP server, or some other (such as nginx) ?
[17:28] <IrfanAlam__> apache 2.2
[17:29] <regedit> TJ-: unfortunately i deleted manufacturer recovery partition, so can't restore initial manufacturer state...
[17:30] <regedit> TJ-: can i check this Fastboot setting from like, System Information in windows?
[17:30] <OerHeks> IrfanAlam__, tell him that you use h5ai, that would save a lot of time, no ?
[17:30] <regedit> TJ-: or from something within ubuntu?
[17:30] <awojo> Thursday I'm setting up a POWER 8 box with KVM and Ubuntu and MAAS. Anyone done this yet?
[17:31] <mdgeorge4153> hello
[17:32] <TJ-> regedit: There may be a way in Windows 8 but it's a setting in the firmware and ought to be settable from there
[17:32] <mdgeorge4153> I'm trying to install ubuntu to replace fedora, and I'm a little confused about the disk partitioning step.  Can someone help?
[17:32] <histo> regedit: What type of computer is this?  make/model.
[17:32] <IsoLnCHiP> Hi, does anyone know an archive mirror that still provides Saucy packages?
[17:32] <TJ-> !oldreleases | IsoLnCHiP
[17:32] <regedit> histo: Lenovo IdeaPad U410. The manufacturer released a BIOS update, but fails to flash...
[17:32] <OerHeks> !eolupgrade | IsoLnCHiP see this page for the old-releases trick
[17:33] <histo> regedit: does it give an error when it 'fails to flash'
[17:33] <TJ-> IsoLnCHiP: Use http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/
[17:33] <regedit> TJ-: which is problematic when i cannot possibly access said firmware setup panel... :'(
[17:33] <TJ-> regedit: Have you checked that the installed firmware version *is* older than the version you're trying to install?
[17:33] <IsoLnCHiP> Thx TJ- and OerHeks
[17:34] <regedit> TJ-: yep, it is indeed
[17:34] <regedit> histo: i did notice something in windows logs, hang on leme check
[17:34] <TJ-> regedit: I think you need to contact Lenovo support
[17:34] <histo> regedit: is there a reason you're updating the bios?  are you affected by an issue that the new one fixes?
[17:34] <TJ-> histo: Yes
[17:35] <regedit> TJ-: yep i'm trying some of that too, thus far they're sending me to geeksquad... what can they do that i and you can't?
[17:35] <TJ-> regedit: If the PC will enter Setup if you try an MBR boot, can't you force that and then check for the FastBoot setting in the UEFI boot options?
[17:35] <TJ-> regedit: Ahhh, I see... you need 3rd line support by the sound of it
[17:36] <regedit> histo: the update purpose says something about "...BIOS Setup inaccessible after using windows recovery" which sounded appropriate for me after installing a custom UEFI Windows + Ubuntu dual boot when i suddenly couldnt access bios setup anymore
[17:36] <mdgeorge4153> I'm trying to replace my fedora installation with an ubuntu install; and the /dev/mapper stuff is new since the last time I partitioned a drive
[17:36] <mdgeorge4153> can someone help me understand what I'm seeing?
[17:37] <regedit> TJ-: whadyou mean by 3rd line support
[17:38] <regedit> histo: it appears to amount to a newer version of the bios that just needs to be successfully flashed, but so far failing to do so
[17:38] <TJ-> regedit: Making contact with the support engineers that really know what they're talking about :)
[17:38] <TJ-> regedit: for an overview of the boot issues see the "Preparing to Install Linux" section here: http://www.rodsbooks.com/linux-uefi/
[17:40] <histo> regedit: how does dualbooting prevent you from getting into the bios
[17:40] <regedit> TJ-: so geeksquad geeks might actually know more about this stuff (than more "native" lenovo technicians) is what you're suggesting?
[17:40] <TJ-> histo: The firmware has a known bug that results in not offering a way to access Setup during boot
[17:40] <trired> How do i change the main path for VirtualBox VMs to another hard drive?
[17:41] <TJ-> regedit: I have no idea, but usually the initial support response is from 1st line support agents who know next to nothing and work from scripts
[17:42] <regedit> this is the BIOS update in question http://support.lenovo.com/us/en/products/laptops-and-netbooks/ideapad-u-series-laptops/ideapad-u410/downloads/ds101011
[17:42] <TJ-> regedit: Whats' the state of play at the moment? The system will boot to Windows 8?
[17:42] <pbx> trired, sounds like a virtualbox support question
[17:42] <regedit> i am currently using the machine in question, it dual boots fine i can use Windows 8 and ubuntu
[17:42] <trired> pbx will go to their irc
[17:43] <TJ-> regedit: OK, but you can't get into Setup even from the manual boot selection menu?
[17:43] <histo> regedit: if it's working fine why are you trying to update the bios?
[17:43] <regedit> TJ-: the funny thing is - even the option that used to be there on the manual boot selection menu - disappeared!...
[17:44] <regedit> histo: i need to tweak some important BIOS settings, for example: enable HW Virtualization...
[17:44] <histo> regedit: then press fn+f2 while the machine is booting instead of trying to trigger the bios entry from windows
[17:44] <TJ-> regedit: The option is playing hide-and-seek with you :) ... have you tried holding down the key even though the boot display doesn't display the Setup menu message?
[17:45] <regedit> histo: i've been doing the former all this time, wasn't even aware of the latter possibility - maybe i should try that?
[17:45] <histo> regedit: https://download.lenovo.com/consumer/mobiles/bios_readme_u310_u410.txt
[17:45] <regedit> yup fn+f2 frantically 1,480,469 times... and fn+12, and Novo key...
[17:45] <histo> have you read that.  look at the instructions for installing their bios.  Well if you can get into the bios wth does there fix do
[17:46] <regedit> they tell you to enable UEFI, which is already the case by me
[17:46] <snuffeluffegus> Hey I'm trying to run "sudo smartctl --device=auto --smart=on --offlineauto=off --saveauto=on --tolerance=verypermissive --captive --test=long /dev/sdb" but every time I get the error "Interrupted (host reset)". I've tried turning off hdparm, but it doesn't seem to be working.
[17:47] <TJ-> histo: We went through all that yesterday, regedit is stuck though since the only update option - from Windows - fails
[17:47] <Finetundra> hello folks, can someone help me figure out how to live an Asus that has win 8 and UEFI. I'm unable to get a model
[17:47] <snuffeluffegus> Non captive tests work, but I want to knock the test out fast, and I'd like it to also keep a pid locked so I can watch it in a script I'm writing.
[17:47] <stuxnet> hi
[17:48] <regedit> here is an excerpt from the Event Log when trying to run the windows BIOS update: http://paste.ubuntu.com/11726153/
[17:48] <DexterF> hi
[17:49] <petrvs> hi dex
[17:49] <DexterF> can one access a raid1 set up in the mobos bios? in particular an nForce 570 raid1? I'd prefer to use software raid, but the ubuntu/studio installer does not offer raid setup anywhere
[17:49] <TJ-> regedit: That's the Phoenix Technologies SecureCore Tiano updater, so we know Lenovo are using the Phoenix firmware now
[17:49] <awojo> Anyone have any experience with Ubuntu on POWER?
[17:50] <regedit> TJ-: yep i could've told you that much. there is also another bootup screen i can access called the "setup splash" or something, which just seems to show some specs/details about the BIOS and system
[17:51] <TJ-> regedit: That tool can take command-line options to over-ride certain features
[17:51] <regedit> TJ-: not sure it does, it ends with a press any key to continue and just power cycles
[17:52] <TJ-> regedit: I have the Phoenix internal documentation on that tool.
[17:52] <regedit> TJ-: really? i really dont seem to be getting a command line. is there maybe a key combo to reach it?
[17:52] <TJ-> regedit: We should really take this discussion to ##windows
[17:53] <regedit> TJ-: ok, heading there
[17:53] <stuxnet> guys
[17:54] <petrvs> guy
[17:54] <stuxnet> when i try to click tab to complete commands in bash, with some programms, it prints this;
[17:54] <petrvs> awojo: try asking a question with a more useful potential answer
[17:54] <stuxnet> Cannot parse arguments: Unknown option -r
[17:55] <petrvs> stuxnet: maybe that executable doesn't have an -r
[17:55] <stuxnet> it only happens with some, not all
[17:55] <stuxnet> but i'm not trying to use any -r
[17:55] <stuxnet> for example, when i try to open some file with vim
[17:55] <stuxnet> and write vim and start to write the name of the file and use tab to complete
[17:56] <stuxnet> it prints that
[17:56] <stuxnet> also happens with okular
[17:56] <stuxnet> but not with cd and other apps
[17:56] <DrBenny> Will the MSI GP70 2PE work with Ubuntu 14.04?
[17:57] <stuxnet> and that didn't happen before
[17:57] <stuxnet> it worked normally
[17:59] <DrBenny> Will the MSI GP70 2PE work with Ubuntu 14.04?
[18:00] <genii> DrBenny: There are so many different hardware combinations it's difficult to know what will exac tly work out of the box. Best to try booting it on a livecd and see if everything works as expected
[18:01] <DrBenny> Ok thanks, I am trying to find a better laptop
[18:04] <awojo> petrvs: I'm setting up Ubuntu with POWER KVM on IbM POWER 8 hardware.. I want to know if MAAS is available to deploy ON the power hw or I have to run MAAS on intel
[18:05] <petrvs> awojo: version?
[18:07] <awojo> 15.04 preferably
[18:08] <petrvs> http://packages.ubuntu.com/vivid/maas says architecture 'all'
[18:08] <petrvs> one would hope that is accurate
[18:08] <petrvs> might talk to #ubuntu-powerpc for further confirmation
[18:09] <awojo> Ah, interesting it's a deb
[18:09] <awojo> nice didn't know that existed
[18:09] <awojo> thanks!
[18:11] <OerHeks> http://maas.ubuntu.com/docs/
[18:12] <snuffeluffegus> How do I completely disable hdparm?
[18:13] <mdgeorge4153> hello
[18:13] <Seidr> I created a single NTFS partition on a 2TB drive at my Ubuntu workstation earlier, and brought the drive home with me, however the partition is showing as two ~980GB partitions, instead of a single 2TB partition. Additionally, I cannot mount the partitions in Windows. Is there a reason Ubuntu would of created these two partitions, instead of a single partition, and is there any way to create a single partition that utilizes all of the space on the
[18:13] <Seidr> drive? Thanks
[18:13] <mdgeorge4153> I just almost finished installing ubuntu; I'm getting a message that says "bootloader install failed"
[18:14] <mdgeorge4153> I'm not sure what to do at this point, can someone help?
[18:15] <OerHeks> snuffeluffegus, apt-get remove hdparm # it is just a package, maybe it triggers more utils.. why would you want this ?
[18:16] <snuffeluffegus> I believe it's spinning down my drives when I'm trying to do captive smart testing
[18:16] <snuffeluffegus> I'd rather not completely remove it, but just tell it to stop being soo bossy.
[18:16] <TJ-> snuffeluffegus: is there a control file for it's startup service setter in "/etc/default/" ?
[18:17] <snuffeluffegus> I already edited /etc/hdparm.conf to max out the spin down timout to like 9 hours. TJ-
[18:19] <TJ-> snuffeluffegus: have you manually read the drive's spin-down time in case the value in the drive is different?
[18:21] <snuffeluffegus> I'm reading the hdparm man page atm so I'll take a look at it when I get a chance TJ- I am having some issue overwriting some of the drives settings. Some kind of io error.
[18:22] <csmule> Do changes take immediate effect when writing values to kernel settings such as /proc/sys/fs/inotify/max_user_watches or whatever.
[18:23] <n-iCe> hello, whay would you guys say is the most lightweight ubuntu version out there
[18:23] <lotuspsychje> !lubuntu | n-iCe
[18:23] <MonkeyDust> !mini | n-iCe
[18:23] <hugegreenbug> csmule: yes, if you echo directly to the file
[18:23] <csmule> Cool. Thanks hugegreenbug.
[18:23] <hugegreenbug> csmule: if you edit /etc/sysctl.conf, you need to run sysctl -p
[18:24] <csmule> got it. Great. Thank you again.
[18:24] <hugegreenbug> np
[18:24] <goju> I am running 15.04 LTS...I use a ADSL modem and usually keep it as bridged mode. I am unable to connect after creating a DSL connection in Ubuntu.  Plz help
[18:25] <MonkeyDust> goju  it's 14.04 LTS or 15.04 (not LTS)
[18:25] <goju> sorry for that
[18:25] <MonkeyDust> goju  is it 14.04 or 15.04 ?
[18:25] <goju> 15.04
[18:25] <goju>  64 bit desktop
[18:25] <n-iCe> so, lubuntu?
[18:26] <lotuspsychje> n-iCe: whats your end goal please?
[18:26] <n-iCe> lotuspsychje: the faster version
[18:26] <goju> unless i connect by creating a dial-up dsl I have to port-forward a lot of softwares. Plz help
[18:27] <lotuspsychje> n-iCe: a fast system depends on various things, not only on a light flavor of ubuntu
[18:27] <n-iCe> lotuspsychje: like
[18:27] <lotuspsychje> n-iCe: you can tweak ubuntu to fast also
[18:27] <lotuspsychje> n-iCe: if your hardware is capable of it?
[18:28] <n-iCe> lotuspsychje: I don't follow
[18:28] <lotuspsychje> n-iCe: if your system is older, try lubuntu or xubuntu to make it faster
[18:28] <n-iCe> Is not older, but I want it really fast
[18:28] <n-iCe> i3 4GB here
[18:28] <n-iCe> But Ubuntu does not feel that fast.
[18:28] <lotuspsychje> n-iCe: then you can tweak ubuntu desktop real fast also
[18:29] <deicider> n-iCe: I would recommend lubuntu anyway. It's fast, light and does the job even on my ancient single-core CPU. If you want something even lighter, go with Debian LXDE or XFCE
[18:29] <lotuspsychje> n-iCe: what is it that feels 'slow' on your ubuntu?
[18:29] <snuffeluffegus> Stock ubuntu is kind of bloaty for an i3, but use like xubuntu, and you'll see some snappyness.
[18:29] <n-iCe> deicider: thanks
[18:29] <n-iCe> snuffeluffegus: thanks
[18:30] <lotuspsychje> i dont agree with that, ubuntu should be real fast on i3 also
[18:30] <blz> Hi guys, I (stupidly) did an apt-get dist-upgrade and I got this output -- something seems to have gone wrong and I'm not exactly sure what.  Could somebody please advise?  Thanks!  http://paste.ubuntu.com/11726421/
[18:31] <deicider> lotuspsychje: It's the desktop that slows the computer down in most cases.
[18:31] <deicider> Desktop enviroment
[18:32] <lotuspsychje> deicider: depends on the hardware too mate
[18:32] <n-iCe> uhm
[18:32] <n-iCe> so, should I move to Debian xfce/lxde?
[18:32] <moondog> T05.PMPGCD        PROCESS GROUP CODE
[18:32] <moondog> T07.PMPYCD        PLY CODE
[18:32] <moondog> T05.PMFNCD        FINISH CODE
[18:32] <moondog> T04.OHSTE         STATE CODE
[18:32] <moondog> T04.OHSVIA        SHIP VIA CODE
[18:32] <moondog> T04.OHFOB         FOB CODE
[18:32] <pbx> blz, have you tried what it suggests at "please inspect the output of /usr/share/mdadm/mkconf..." ?
[18:32] <lotuspsychje> deicider: i run 14.04 64bit on an old amd 3200+ with ssd and goes rocketfast 7 sec boot
[18:33] <pbx> moondog, use a pastebin
[18:33] <deicider> lotuspsychje:  But of course it does. If you have better computer, it will run faster, simple logic.
[18:33] <bekks> deicider: thats not true in all cases ;)
[18:33] <blz> pbx, yes.  I forgot to post it, sorry!  http://paste.ubuntu.com/11726445/
[18:34] <moondog> putty, didn't realize a right-click would past
[18:34] <moondog> paste even
[18:34] <deicider> n-iCe: I had no problem with speed on Debian XFCE, nor LXDE. XFCE looks better
[18:35] <blz> pbx, looks like I was maybe supposed to run the file.  Here's the output:  http://paste.ubuntu.com/11726449/
[18:35] <deicider> bekks: In most cases, it is.
[18:35] <pbx> moondog, happens :)
[18:36] <snuffeluffegus> So I'm thinking the spindown issues is cause it's a seagate. hdparm even has a command to attempt to override this issue, but I'm getting an IO error "HDIO_DRIVE_CMD(seagatepwrsave) failed: Input/output error" Any ideas how I might be able to rectify this?
[18:38] <pbx> blz, try this:  cat /usr/share/mdadm/mkconf | diff - /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf
[18:39] <blz> pbx:  http://paste.ubuntu.com/11726471/
[18:42] <pbx> blz, try this, universal diff format is a little easier to read.  (that said, i don't know what madm is or how you'll correctly reconcile the differences):     cat /usr/share/mdadm/mkconf | diff -u - /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf
[18:42] <snkcld> what is the part of ubuntu which manages the clipboard? im trying to debug an issue that causes my chrome tab to freeze each time i copy or paste
[18:42] <blz> pbx:  mdadm has to do with with software RAID.  I'm actually not overly concerned about it since it's not needed for boot and I can always fix that manually later.  I'm just worried that my kernel is screwed up and that I won't be able to reboot.  How can I check that this is still working?
[18:43] <pbx> blz - don't know, sorry.
[18:43] <mdgeorge4153> hi, I just tried to install ubuntu and now I have an unbootable machine.  Can anyone help?
[18:43] <blz> pbx, no worries.  Thanks for your help! :)
[18:43] <lotuspsychje> mdgeorge4153: can you descibe whats happening exactly?
[18:44] <mdgeorge4153> lotuspsychje: yes.  during install the bootloader install failed.  I told it to continue without installing, and then ran grub-install before rebooting
[18:44] <mdgeorge4153> after rebooting I just got the flat purplish screen, and nothing else
[18:44] <lotuspsychje> mdgeorge4153: ubuntu version?
[18:45] <petrvs> mdgeorge4153: if you see a purple screen, it's probably booted
[18:45] <mdgeorge4153> 14.04
[18:45] <pbx> blz, if you do end up needing to share that diff, this should get you a nice colorized one:   cat /usr/share/mdadm/mkconf | diff -u - /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf | curl -s -F "syntax=diff" -F "content=<-" http://dpaste.com/api/v2/
[18:45] <petrvs> probably your DE hasn't loaded
[18:45] <lotuspsychje> mdgeorge4153: single boot or dualboot?
[18:46] <blz> pbx, thanks a bunch!  I'm going to save that snippet
[18:46] <pbx> snkcld, if it's specific to chrome then i doubt mucking at the system level will yield much.  but to play with the clipboard it can be helpful to install xclip
[18:46] <mdgeorge4153> oh hey, it just booted
[18:46] <mdgeorge4153> guess I just needed to be patient.  thanks
[18:47] <lotuspsychje> mdgeorge4153: is this an uefi machine perhaps?
[18:47] <mdgeorge4153> how would I find that out?
[18:47] <lotuspsychje> mdgeorge4153: whats the default Os on your pc?
[18:47] <mdgeorge4153> I just replaced fedora
[18:47] <mdgeorge4153> it's a mac mini
[18:47] <lotuspsychje> oh
[18:48] <lotuspsychje> mdgeorge4153: nevermind then
[18:48] <mdgeorge4153> anyway it seems to be working now
[18:48] <mdgeorge4153> thanks
[18:48] <dcz> hello guys, i was trying to install TILDA on ubuntu 14.04 , i get this error https://paste.kde.org/phkdxbtir  , after i run " ./autogen.sh --prefix=/usr "
[18:48] <snuffeluffegus> Anyone in here have any experience overwriting Seagate HDD power settings?
[18:48] <petrvs> dcz: tilda is in universe, install with the package manager
[18:49] <petrvs> snuffeluffegus: hdparm will probably work if it works at all
[18:49] <petrvs> snuffeluffegus: if it doesn't, take it back
[18:49] <dcz> yeah the universe version is 1.1 but i want 1.2 version because of solarized theme
[18:49] <petrvs> there's sdparm, too, but that's still largely superfluous IME
[18:49] <snuffeluffegus> I'm trying to "refurb" a bunch of drives. I can't take these back.
[18:49] <lotuspsychje> dcz: its reccomended to use versions of packages for your ubuntu version
[18:50] <petrvs> snuffeluffegus: cool
[18:50] <lotuspsychje> !info tilda | dcz
[18:50] <petrvs> ...
[18:51] <dcz> i use ubuntu 14.04
[18:51] <dacorr_> snuffeluffegus: refurb in what way?
[18:51] <lotuspsychje> dcz: if you want 1.2 would be reccomended to install 15.04 then
[18:51] <petrvs> make the useful
[18:51] <petrvs> them*
[18:51] <lucas__> e screwd up my ubuntu
[18:51] <lotuspsychje> lucas__: can you describe whats happening?
[18:51] <dcz> also it seems, i dont have tha universe repo
[18:52] <petrvs> sane applications do not require compiling to install a theme, either, FYI
[18:52] <lucas__> i install compiz , and when i gave the command "compiz --replace" my windows manager dont work
[18:52] <lotuspsychje> lucas__: ubuntu version?
[18:52] <snuffeluffegus> I work for a reseller, and I'm trying to write a script that will run a captive smart test on the disks.
[18:52] <petrvs> lucas__: you'll have to configure compiz
[18:53] <snuffeluffegus> If they're crap then we bin them, but if they have life left we sell them or stick them in refurb machines.
[18:53] <petrvs> snuffeluffegus: and they're sleeping in the middle of a test?
[18:53] <snuffeluffegus> yeah
[18:53] <histo> dcz: what tilda are you talking about looks like they haven't updated since 2008
[18:53] <lucas__> my version is 14.0
[18:54] <petrvs> snuffeluffegus: weird
[18:54] <dcz> latest here , https://github.com/lanoxx/tilda
[18:54] <snuffeluffegus> I know right
[18:54] <lotuspsychje> lucas__: wich window manager do you use?
[18:54] <lucas__> xfce
[18:54] <petrvs> snuffeluffegus: if hdparm doesn't work, you could just cd in there and run a thing every foo interval
[18:54] <snuffeluffegus> cd in?
[18:54] <petrvs> I think I got some big seagates once that wouldn't do the opposite, they wouldn't power down
[18:55] <petrvs> seems like a daft make in general =)
[18:55] <petrvs> snuffeluffegus: or just regularly run something that keeps it awake
[18:55] <snuffeluffegus> I was makig a script read from the drive via dd every 30 seconds, but they still just crap out on me.
[18:55] <lotuspsychje> lucas__: maybe this can help: http://www.webupd8.org/2012/11/how-to-set-up-compiz-in-xubuntu-1210-or.html
[18:56] <petrvs> snuffeluffegus: might talk to #hardware
[18:56] <histo> dcz: are you following these directions https://github.com/lanoxx/tilda/blob/master/HACKING.md
[18:56] <dcz> yes
[18:56] <lucas__> thanks im gonna take a look
[18:56] <Heather|TRIGGERE> http://puu.sh/irioS/47cec05bab.jpg
[18:56] <dcz> it gives error at this point , ./autogen.sh --prefix=/usr
[18:56] <snuffeluffegus> yeah I'm thinking that's the next stop petrvs
[18:56] <dcz> https://paste.kde.org/phkdxbtir
[18:57] <lotuspsychje> Heather|TRIGGERE: no randome pictures in this channel please
[18:58] <csmule> gross
[18:58] <csmule> there goes my lunch hour
[18:59] <dacorr_> snuffeluffwgus: I normally keep spares of the interface boards on drives so i can swap them out. as long as they ae the same make and model and 8 digit number  printed on them match that normally fixes most problems beyond internal drive mechanics
[19:00] <dacorr_> snuffeluffwgus: of course data recovery companies do not want people to know that
[19:01] <snuffeluffegus> That's like a whole effort though dacorr_ I need to be able to push through 200+ a day.
[19:01] <dcz> yeah its okey now
[19:01] <dcz> finally built it
[19:04] <petrvs> if more than one drive is doing this, then probably every last board will produce the same result
[19:07] <dacorr_> depends what was 'wrong' with the drive to begin with. if it is internal mechanics then the cost to recover is ridiculous with very few companies with the clean rooms to do it
[19:08] <lotuspsychje> lets keep it ubuntu related guys
[19:09] <pz3Gull> Hi, everyone!
[19:10] <pz3Gull> Please is there anybody knows how change files/folders icons in Nautilus?
[19:11] <lotuspsychje> !themes | pz3Gull
[19:14] <blz> I can't (un)install any packages as I get the following error:  http://paste.ubuntu.com/11726655/  Here is the output of /usr/share/mdadm/mkconf and /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf, respectively:  http://paste.ubuntu.com/11726663/  and   http://paste.ubuntu.com/11726665/
[19:14] <blz> Any help would be appreicated
[19:14] <blz> *appreciated
[19:15] <pz3Gull> @ubottu, Thanks! I'm actually searching for a way to change only the icons in Nautilus. I've ever changed my global theme by the past but I've noticed some slow-down.
[19:19] <hydrajump> hi booting from desktop 14.04.2 iso downloaded today and trying to use `hdparm --user-master u --security-set-pass PASS /dev/sda` throws an input/output error. The version of hdparm on the live cd is 9.43.
[19:19] <hydrajump> any ideas?
[19:19] <lotuspsychje> pz3Gull: http://askubuntu.com/questions/79110/how-can-i-assign-custom-icons-to-folders
[19:19] <syadnom> hey all.  need some iptables help if anyone is willing.
[19:20] <lotuspsychje> !iptables | syadnom
[19:22] <pz3Gull> @lotuspsychjs, Thanks so much! It works! :)
[19:23] <syadnom> http://pastebin.com/ACuekw4c
[19:23] <syadnom> someone want to take a peak?  I'm trying to mark the connection and then mark DSCP for any of those connections
[19:24] <lotuspsychje> !yay | pz3Gull
[19:24] <hydrajump> .buffer 26
[19:24] <hydrajump> opps
[19:26] <x__> czy jest tu ktos z polski
[19:27] <lotuspsychje> !pl | x__
[19:27] <DexterF> hi
[19:28] <DexterF> when installing, ubuntu asks if I want to encrpyt the disk. I said yes. later it asks: encrypt the home folder? I said yes again. then it dawned on me: I now double-encrypted the home dir, right?
[19:30] <pz3Gull> Bye! Thanks for the help!
[19:30] <jxshxx> Greetings! Tried upgrading an older tower from 14.04 to 14.10 and now all I get is date/time in the middle of a blue screen and a couple indicator applets.  Now what?
[19:31] <ubuntu822> jxshxx: UPgraded with no errors, and you reloaded any needed driver like graphics?
[19:32] <ubuntu822> jxshxx: 14.10 is a month from eol, I would have waited for a longterm personally.
[19:33] <darthanubis> DexterF, only the first yes is needed
[19:33] <jxshxx> ubuntu822, There were a couple items along the way that is said didn't load.  It starts me in low graphics mode, but I can't do anything
[19:33] <GJdan> question since I have absolutely no clue.  What does ubuntu use for services these days?  Still sysvinit?
[19:33] <lotuspsychje> GJdan: wich version?
[19:34] <darthanubis> GJdan, systemd
[19:34] <darthanubis> these days
[19:34] <ubuntu822> jxshxx: Get a terminal and run a update and dist-upgrade and see if anything installs first. If you have used a propietary graphic driver you will need to reload it.
[19:34] <lotuspsychje> darthanubis: 14.04 still on init
[19:35] <darthanubis> ugh, I know, he asked these days
[19:35] <darthanubis> I read it as latest
[19:35] <darthanubis> 15.04
[19:35] <GJdan> ah okay, good to know
[19:35] <GJdan> thakns
[19:35] <ubuntu822> jxshxx: a ctrl-alt-f1 will get you a tty terminal.
[19:35] <GJdan> latest is what I as wondering
[19:35] <jxshxx> ubuntu822, I haven't been able to get a terminal up, so far
[19:36] <jxshxx> ubuntu822, ah!  yes
[19:36] <ubuntu822> jxshxx: Cool, at this point we are just looking around upgrades usually run fine......
[19:36] <metalice> what you guys are preferring? working on gnome or unity?
[19:37] <lotuspsychje> !poll | metalice
[19:37] <metalice> lotuspsychje: how to use it?
[19:37] <jxshxx> ubuntu822, Do I enter like a normal terminal?  "sudo" etc?  it says "desktop login"
[19:37] <lotuspsychje> !flavors | metalice
[19:38] <tgm4883> metalice: don't poll people here. This is for support
[19:38] <ste_> hello, would someone be able to tell me what plugins I need to install to get MSE and H264 for HTML5 working in firefox? Thanks
[19:38] <metalice> okk :))
[19:38] <ubuntu822> jxshxx: You login first than run sudo apt-get update ; sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[19:40] <mtottenh_> Hi all, I seem to be having a problem with udev. On boot it doesn't seem to be loading the driver for my network cards, but if I manualy run 'udevadm trigger' after logging in it detects them and loads them fine.
[19:40] <laurentide> my /var/log/lastlog file is 4.7 GB. is it safe to clear this file?
[19:41] <jxshxx> ubuntu822, ran Update - tells me I have duplicate sources and I should run Update to fix ...
[19:42] <jxshxx> ubuntu822, I loved Bill Murray in that movie ...
[19:42] <ubuntu822> jxshxx: When you upgraded how did you do it?
[19:44] <jxshxx> ubuntu822, through the software updater.  Running dist-upgrage right now
[19:46] <ubuntu822> jxshxx: Ah, than you need to check the software sources gui or open the config and look for dual repos and be sure thay are all 14.10. The is an additional repo file in /etc/apt/sources.list.d
[19:46] <ubuntu822> the=there
[19:48] <josharenson> I just upgraded to wily and it broke my vim plugin  https://github.com/Valloric/YouCompleteMe... Anyone else use this?
[19:49] <ubuntu822> jxshxx: It may be that you have to do some of this editing in a terminal, I'm not real up on this, I use gedit/leafpad, others here are cli users however.
[19:49] <jxshxx> ubuntu822, put "/etc/apt/sources.list.d" in the terminal?
[19:49] <mcphail> josharenson: #ubuntu+1 for wily support
[19:49] <josharenson> mcphail: ack
[19:51] <ubuntu822> lotuspsychje: What is the bots info on sending a command to a pastebin I forget.
[19:51] <jxshxx> ubuntu822, Errors were encountered while processing: sysv-rc, initscripts, util-linux, e2fsprogs
[19:51] <lotuspsychje> !pastebinit | ubuntu822
[19:52] <jxshxx> ubuntu822, Sub-process /usr/bindpkg returned an error code (1)
[19:52] <ubuntu822> jxshxx: Hold on I have a command we just need it to a pastebin, look at the top message and use this command    grep -vr "^#" /etc/apt/sources.list{,.d/}
[19:52] <lotuspsychje> laurentide: http://www.shellhacks.com/en/HowTo-Clear-or-Remove-Last-Login-History-in-Linux
[19:53] <ubuntu822> lotuspsychje: Thanx, I'm not up on cli vim....etc, this user may need this, feel free to pipie in. ;)
[19:54] <ubuntu822> jxshxx: That command will show us all your repos so we can look through.
[19:54] <jxshxx> ubuntu822, sorry, can you send me just the command that goes in the terminal?
[19:55] <lotuspsychje> mtottenh_: maybe the #ubuntu-server or ##networking guys might know?
[19:56] <jxshxx> ubuntu822, the way it broke into 2 lines on my screen, I'm not sure where spaces are
[19:57] <ubuntu822> jxshxx: install pastebinit   sudo apt-get install pastebinit
[19:58] <jxshxx> ubuntu822, done, with an error
[20:00] <ubuntu822> jxshxx: Try this command   grep -vr "^#" /etc/apt/sources.list{,.d/} | pastebinit     if it works post the url shown
[20:01] <sueli> Hi, I can't increase the volume in the graphical mode, only doing sudo on a terminal. How does can I change that ?
[20:02] <doublepop> hello, need help spliting pdf in ubuntu using pdftk/grep/cut. my pdf is 2000 pages and need to split 1-2, 5-6, 9-10, 13-14 and so on to desire output.pdf. Any help?
[20:03] <sueli> hi sheilong
[20:03] <sheilong> sueli:  hi
[20:03] <lotuspsychje> doublepop: http://askubuntu.com/questions/221962/how-can-i-extract-a-page-range-a-part-of-a-pdf
[20:06] <jxshxx> ubuntu822, tells me that pastebinit is not installed ... trying again
[20:08] <jxshxx> ubuntu822, unable to migrate - references the earlier error messages
[20:08] <ubuntu822> jxshxx: There are a lot of outliers in this situation, you have upgraded to a release a month from eol, you mkight consider just doing a fresh install, if you can pull your stuff out, install is 20 min.
[20:09] <doublepop> lotuspsychje: thank you will check this out.
[20:09] <lotuspsychje> doublepop: no sweat mate :p
[20:09] <sueli> the bar of my volume in the window maneger doesn't move
[20:09] <sueli> it is blocked
[20:09] <irondev> hi
[20:10] <jxshxx> ubuntu822, That's certainly my last resort.  There's no "take me back to 14.04" command?  :)
[20:10] <lotuspsychje> !sound | sueli
[20:11] <ubuntu822> jxshxx: No, however you could have cloned, and backed it up, lots of linux ways to move OS easily. ;)
[20:11] <hardtail> !live
[20:12] <hardtail> !usb
[20:12] <ubuntu822> jxshxx: You could persist to a fix as a leaning sistuation, I'm just not your helper in the area of patience at a certain point is all.
[20:12] <MonkeyDust> jxshxx  the command is "backup and fresh install, create a separate /home partition during install, to make future upgrades easies"
[20:12] <MonkeyDust> easier*
[20:12] <ubuntu822> s/leaning/learning
[20:13] <lotuspsychje> !msgthebot | hardtail
[20:14] <jxshxx> ubuntu822, Got it.  Thanks for your efforts!
[20:15] <jxshxx> MonkeyDust, If you'd made it rhyme, I might have tried it
[20:16] <ubuntu822> jxshxx: No problem, anything is fixable, just a personal how hard you want to work varible is all. Mine is always be backed up cloned etc, takes less than ten min to be up and running again.
[20:18] <awojo> Wow it's REALLY annoying the vsphere web client in 6.x is STILL TIED TO WINDOWS
[20:18] <awojo> You can use it, but to do any admin tasks, you need the plugin
[20:18] <awojo> which only works on windows
[20:18] <awojo> unbelievabl
[20:19] <bekks> Thats whats written down in the requirements, so no need to get desparate about it :)
[20:19] <hardtail> Will the performance hit be drastic when using "Try Ubuntu" from USB?
[20:20] <MonkeyDust> hardtail  what happens when you try
[20:21] <hardtail> MonkeyDust Failure.
[20:21] <MonkeyDust> hardtail  define failure
[20:21] <hardtail> Haven't tried.
[20:22] <MonkeyDust> hardtail  what's keeping you from trying?
[20:23] <hardtail> Nothing, I am downloading the .ISO now. I realize I did not join the offtopic channel. Moving forward in there.
[20:27] <b1001> Do anyone know how to build your __own__ image for LXD to use?
[20:27] <sueli> My alsa output
[20:27] <sueli> http://www.alsa-project.org/db/?f=d57b5b27b60d44c63468bd2ca6c2fd0826cb7608
[20:31] <lissete> http://irc.freenode.org/
[20:32] <azizLIGHT> how do i figure out why i have a ppa installed and if i need it anymore
[20:33] <laurentide> lotuspsychje, thanks but that doesn't seem to answer my question re: whether it is a safe thing to remove or not, and why either way
[20:33] <ubuntu822> azizLIGHT: Why was a personal decision.
[20:34] <b1001> azizLIGHT: you can see repositories in /etc/apt/sources.list
[20:35] <ubuntu822> azizLIGHT: ppa's are last use repos and not really supported here, however tell us the ppa.
[20:35] <doublepop> lostuspsychje: i see this possible using the following command: pdftk A=example.pdf cat A1-2 A5-6 A9-10 output exampleout.pdf.  do you know how to avoid typing 1-2, 5-6, 9-10 and so on? basically I am skipping 2 pages.
[20:35] <MonkeyDust> azizLIGHT  try    sudo apt-get update|grep ppa
[20:36] <b1001> azizLIGHT: Or you can remove them by using add-apt-repository -r <repository>
[20:36] <azizLIGHT> i have kirillshkrogalev/ffmpeg-next and mc3man/trusty-media installed for some reason. what could the reason be
[20:36] <bekks> azizLIGHT: "Your will". It was you who installed it.
[20:36] <azizLIGHT> why would someone typically install such a ppa
[20:36] <b1001> azizLIGHT: some codec (non-free stuff)
[20:37] <k1l> azizLIGHT: see on launchpad.net what packages that PPA offers and if its still worth it
[20:37] <lotuspsychje> doublepop: try the printer trick= save to file
[20:37] <azizLIGHT> ok, can regular programs depend on ppa packages? if so how do i check
[20:38] <k1l> azizLIGHT: if you need (and i really say need, not want) a other (most time newer) version of a program. like you need a feature which is only supported since version 5 and ubuntu only ships version 4.
[20:38] <ubuntu822> !ppa | azizLIGHT
[20:38] <k1l> azizLIGHT: all regular programs in the official ubuntu repo dont rely on PPA.
[20:39] <mcphail> doublepop: have you looked at pdfsam, which might do what you want more easily?
[20:39] <mcphail> !info pdfsam
[20:40] <ubuntu822> azizLIGHT: As one last communication, there is a ppa-purge that will remove the ppa and all it has installed, reverting any changes to the regular repos.
[20:40] <doublepop> lotuspsychje: yes, but will still need to type all pages needed and my pdf is 2000 pages long. so i will need to save to file and print 1-2,5-6,9-10 and so on until I reach page 2000.  any ideo on how to simplify this process.
[20:41] <lotuspsychje> doublepop: maybe with the package mcphail suggested?
[20:42] <lotuspsychje> doublepop: my guess would be a pdf file so large, will always be long manual work to edit
[20:42] <doublepop> mcphail: will look at this thank you.
[20:42] <doublepop> lotuspsychje: thanks for pointing this out will check this out.
[20:42] <mcphail> doublepop: the website seems to suggest you can do what you are asking quite simply. Hope it works
[20:43] <Guest40938> salve
[20:43] <Guest40938>  sono federica
[20:43] <Guest40938>  14 anni
[20:43] <Guest40938> mora e pelosa
[20:44] <MonkeyDust> !it
[20:45] <Guest40938> chimi vuole in privato<?
[20:46] <HoloPed> hey all, I'm trying to mount a USB drive and I get this error : wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sdb1 | What does this mean and how do I fix it ?
[20:48] <lotuspsychje> HoloPed: have you tryed reformat or cant you loose your data on it?
[20:49] <HoloPed> lotuspsychje, there is nothing on it
[20:49] <HoloPed> I formatted it in windows
[20:50] <HoloPed> to fat32
[20:50] <lotuspsychje> HoloPed: try gparted and format you another layout perhaps
[20:51] <jxshxx> ubuntu822, I found this,http://askubuntu.com/questions/543857/getting-error-with-dpkg  , but I need help with the particulars of "moving scripts" in the answer given
[20:56] <ubuntu822> jxshxx: I would be careful just following what appears to you to be relavant, I see nothing in that link. At the least it seems you need to get to the sources.list and sources.list.d to get cleaned up.
[20:59] <Haqpyfeet> hi guys, I'm a teacher that has decided to learn c++ over the summer and decided to make a knock knock joke program for my class. The problem I have is how to handle the response to the question "knock! knock!" How would I scan for the proper text string of "whos there?"
[20:59] <ubuntu822> jxshxx: You have to be clearly with no errors communicating with the repos, no dual listings, out of release, third party I.E. ppa's etc in the way.
[20:59] <Haqpyfeet> I know I should use an if else statement to make sure the proper text string is entered
[20:59] <Pici> Haqpyfeet: You'd probably be better off asking in ##c++ than in #ubuntu
[21:00] <Haqpyfeet> roger that, thanks
[21:01] <Pici> Haqpyfeet: You'll need to be registered and identified with freenode to talk there.. so...
[21:01] <Pici> !register | Haqpyfeet
[21:01] <Pici> ^^
[21:01] <mtottenh_> exit
[21:01] <jxshxx> ubuntu822, okay, time to get the external drive!
[21:02] <ubuntu822> jxshxx: I commend you tenacity, you just want to be careful is all. ;)
[21:03] <ubuntu822> #you're
[21:03] <jxshxx> ubuntu822, me understand
[21:07] <meLon> Hey. How would I go about finding out what the hell keeps adjusting my volume automatically.  I can't type because every few seconds my volume adjusts, and the app loses focus.  It is SUPER frustrating and I can't find the cause
[21:08] <Isai> Hi, I recently installed Ubuntu in a VM and the VM offered "Easy Install". When it booted, I saw it neglected to install a shell and an SSH daemon. How can I fix this?
[21:09] <ubuntu822> Isai: what was the install source, this a standard ubuntu iso, or a net install?
[21:10] <Isai> ubuntu822: it was an iso
[21:10] <ubuntu822> Isai: What release, what you describe does not sound like a canonical ubuntu release.
[21:11] <meLon> I'm back, if anybody said something for the pulse audio thing
[21:11] <ubuntu822> Isai: Was this a net install, tiny iso.
[21:11] <Isai> ubuntu822: it was Ubuntu 15.04 (or whatever Vivid Vervets' version number it)
[21:11] <Isai> It was an iso
[21:12] <ubuntu822> Isai: Can I see the url of your install source.
[21:12] <Isai> Sure
[21:12] <ubuntu822> cool thanx
[21:13] <Isai> ubuntu822: http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop/thank-you?country=US&version=15.04&architecture=i386
[21:13] <SheGhetto> meLon: try to install PulseAudio Volume Control ( you may find it on Ubuntu Software Center) and control the volume from there
[21:14] <squinty> meLon:  checked your hot keys setup for conflicts maybe
[21:14] <ubuntu822> Isai: This an apple computer?
[21:14] <meLon> SheGhetto: squinty I am familiar with that tool, and I can check hot-keys, but It's not that because I've unplugged all input devices
[21:15] <Isai> No, I'm running it on a VM (VMware Player) on Windows Server 2012
[21:15] <meLon> Is there a log fore?
[21:15] <meLon> for pulse*
[21:16] <ubuntu822> Isai: This on a computer on the web?
[21:16] <ubuntu822> the cloud
[21:16] <Isai> ubuntu822: yes, a cloud server
[21:17] <ubuntu822> Isai: Ah, Im not sure what happened, I'm not up on this kind of install, that downloaded ISO Has all the base and desktop info on it if the sum is correct
[21:18] <Isai> Well, I pressed Easy Install on the VM so idk
[21:18] <ubuntu822> Isai: Key here is the details I extracted the cloud the iso, someone will help.
[21:19] <ubuntu822> the vm info is probably crucial as w guess Isai
[21:19] <Isai> :/
[21:19] <Isai> Maybe Recovery Mode might work?
[21:21] <ubuntu822> Isai: I would not just peck at it, however it is a vm it can be removed, here details and patience are your best friends.
[21:23] <ubuntu822> You're well within supportable issues and we see all kinds of setups here using the canonical releases, if that helps. ;)
[21:25] <squinty> Isai:  if you are looking for the ssh server for your vm install then you will need to install openssh-server which is not installed as part of the default ubuntu install
[21:26] <Isai> squinty: I know, I'm just trying to figure out how to get a terminal or something to install a shell and the sshd
[21:28] <ubuntu822> Isai: ctrl-alt-f1 is a tty
[21:30] <ubuntu822> Isai: gotta go. ;)
[21:30] <ubuntu822> best of luck
[21:32] <saberu> getting init Gecko errors with Wine
[21:36] <regedit> TJ-: heya, you there?
[21:36] <TJ-> regedit: just about :)
[21:36] <ax562> how can I mount my ntfs partition when ubuntu said it is hibernating and cant access
[21:37] <k1l> ax562: tell windows not to use the "fastboot" thingy
[21:39] <ax562> fastboot thingy?
[21:40] <k1l> windows does some hibernation to the ntfs partitions so it can boot faster the next time. but this makes linuxes not beeing able to mount that drives or having a risk of corrupting data.
[21:40] <regedit> k1l: that can be done from windows? i thought that can only be configured from bios
[21:40] <k1l> so you need to set windows to not use that "fast reboot" option.
[21:40] <OerHeks> fastboot <>secureboot
[21:40] <ax562> yeah I disable all that crap
 is != for those of you who don't use terrible languages =)
[21:41] <Jordan_U> ax562: Your Windows installation *is* hibernated, and it would be a very bad idea to modify the filesytem underneith it.
[21:41] <TJ-> regedit: I showed you yesterday how you can access Setup and disable fastboot (better known as Hibernate) in the menus of Windows 8
[21:41] <regedit> TJ-: well i tried calling manufacturer support, they don't deal with weird custom installs and it's impossible to punch through to a real technician to ask any hardcore questions.... sad state of corporate tech companies
[21:41] <regedit> oh hibernate
[21:41] <OerHeks> indeed fastboot can make partitions and wireless devices unreachable, awesome
[21:41] <TJ-> regedit: That's a real shame.
[21:43] <regedit> how come them big-name techies don't hang out here on IRC sometime?
[21:43] <saberu> can someone help me wirth wine?
[21:43] <ax562> haha
[21:43] <petrvs> regedit: because IRC is the enemy of productivity
[21:43] <k1l> saberu: depends on the issue. but since wine is quite complex itself you might want to ask the wine spcialists in #winehq
[21:43] <saberu> because the big name techies have a life and im sure their job is very busy
[21:43] <saberu> yeh winehq is dead :(
[21:44] <ax562> well *is* hibernated is wrong unless they forced some type new option on me unknowingly
[21:44] <saberu> the issue is Gecko is failing to init, and i've tried multiple ways of installing it
[21:44] <histo> regedit: big name who?
[21:44] <saberu> i've never had issues like this before on other boxes
[21:44] <k1l> ax562: did you actively set the feature to off on windows?
[21:44] <regedit> histo: lenovo etc
[21:44] <histo> regedit: lenovo isn't a person
[21:44] <histo> regedit: I'm sure there are IBM peeps on irc
[21:45] <saberu> im wondering if it's a problem with the user im running wine on, i didn't really give the user any special permissions
[21:45] <bekks> histo: I know there are ;)
[21:45] <saberu> it's just got sudo etc but i dont run wine in sudo anyway
[21:45] <Jordan_U> ax562: Windows 8 defaults to hibernating when you select "shutdown". Your Windows installation is hibernated.
[21:45] <regedit> why is it that the actual people who know the answers to the issues our communities (linux etc.) are struggling with - are so impossibly unreachable and not having some channel of communication to help / share knowledge etc...
[21:45] <petrvs> regedit: what issues?
[21:45] <ax562> Jordan_U I took all those crappy options off many moons ago
[21:45] <regedit> my bios UEFI is not accessible
[21:45] <histo> regedit: What version of windows are you running?
[21:46] <bekks> regedit: Because their companies offer support during business hours, and the employees dont give support in their free time.
[21:46] <regedit> histo: Windows 8.1 x64 + Ubuntu dual boot
[21:46] <histo> regedit: http://winaero.com/blog/how-to-disable-or-enable-fast-startup-in-windows-8-1/
[21:46] <ax562> that's where I'm at regedit
[21:47] <histo> regedit: after disabling fast startup try using fn+f2 to get into your settings during boot.
[21:47] <regedit> histo: if this works, i am buying you at least 2.5 beers
[21:48] <petrvs> regedit: why would they care that you can't pick one OS?
[21:48] <regedit> petrvs: i picked ubuntu, but Unity game engine...
[21:49] <petrvs> regedit: why not pick a game engine not made by clowns
[21:49] <regedit> because i am a clown, and lenovo doesn't mind clowny customers
[21:49] <Johnny_Linux> quit clownin around
[21:50] <silva> unity game engine is terrible unless you're a beginner trying to put their basic skills to use
[21:50] <silva> *your
[21:50] <regedit> silva: ^ perhaps that is the definition of le moi
[21:50] <regedit> it's not like UE4 is all up & running on linux either
[21:51] <petrvs> if you minded clowny customers you'd not be very wealthy
[21:51] <regedit> histo: this fast startup thing from windows - that affects the whole system as a whole even if i'm doing like UEFI dual boot to GRUB ?
[21:52] <k1l> regedit: it affects the ntfs partition. if you dont want to mount the ntfs partition on ubuntu, there is no issue
[21:53] <regedit> well, no i dont
[21:53] <regedit> i'm currently logged into the ubuntu on the dual boot setup in question
[21:53] <regedit> the windows partition is unmounted
[21:54] <k1l> which means you cant share files on ntfs with windows and ubuntu then. if that is fine, dont bother with that setting at all
[21:54] <regedit> as in - not mounted
[21:54] <TJ-> regedit: Windows fast startup is Hibernation
[21:54] <regedit> TJ-: i'm trying to figure out if that would be the reason why i cant reach bios setup right now
[21:54] <TJ-> regedit: That won't affect the UEFI 'fastboot' option, although the names are confusingly similar
[21:55] <regedit> ahh ok i see...
[21:55] <k1l> regedit: that doesnt make anything with the bios
[21:55] <TJ-> regedit: But it's worth a try - you've exhausted almost every other route to kicking the firmware to behave :)
[21:55] <TJ-> regedit: We don't know what/how Lenovo have customised the Phoenix UEFI
[21:57] <regedit> frustrating how impossible it is to just have a chat with one of 'em engineers...
[21:58] <regedit> i wonder if a private-eye would succeed if tasked to do so :D
[21:58] <compdoc> they dont speak in human languages
[21:58] <regedit> i am not human
[21:58] <bekks> regedit: Pay them, they'll chat with you.
[21:58] <allein> what do you mean about human language
[21:58] <allein> lol
[21:59] <compdoc> right. youre a windows database editor
[21:59] <regedit> bekks: nope, the support dept. already told me they will not help me with my custom setup
[21:59] <bekks> regedit: So you are on your own since the support engineers will not spend their free time with people they told they'd not give business support either.
[22:00] <TJ-> regedit: I wonder if you booted it to the full TianoCore UEFI v2 shell, from a USB stick, you might be able to do something with it
[22:00] <Jordan_U> regedit: What problem are you having? What is your end goal?
[22:00] <regedit> Jordan_U: for example to enable HW Virtualization
[22:00] <regedit> currently off
[22:01] <regedit> TJ-: is that a possibility?
[22:01] <TJ-> regedit: Jordan_U -everyone- Lenovo IDeaPad U410 (no-touch) refuses to access UEFI Setup at boot. A known issue with an updated firmware fix, but the Windows 8 flash update (Phoenix WinFlash) crashes and won't update so there is no way to access the UEFI Setup
[22:02] <TJ-> regedit: It rather depends whether the bit flags that are causing this within the firmware's NV-RAM can be altered froma full UEFI shell
[22:02] <regedit> (back to rant) i guess the way such companies see it, it's more woth for them to produce hardware and only support the most common / standard stupid cutomers. to that end they feel free to crap out whatever technical craps they want and not need to care much for 'em
[22:02] <Jordan_U> regedit: Do you have Ubuntu installed already? It will add an option to your grub menu for getting to the boot firmware setup screen.
[22:03] <hplc> is smart media cards out of buissness? or still some to buy?
[22:03] <regedit> Jordan_U: is that so? i see no such option
[22:03] <TJ-> Jordan_U: There (was) an entry on the system's manual boot menu to access Setup, but that didn't work... then later disappeared altogether
[22:04] <regedit> it worked while it was there, then suddenly disappeared
[22:05] <regedit> but what's that you say - GRUB is supposed to offer a door to the BIOS setup??
[22:05] <Jordan_U> regedit: It should be titled "uefi-firmware", and it just runs grub's "fwsetup" command, which you can do yourself by dropping to a grub shell by pressing 'c' at the grub menu.
[22:05] <regedit> Jordan_U: if you are correct, i am giving you histo's 2.5 and all of TJ-'s 17 beers
[22:06] <Jordan_U> regedit: Note that this command, and the menu entry, will only exist if you're booting grub via UEFI rather than BIOS.
[22:06] <TJ-> regedit: http://superuser.com/questions/519718/linux-on-uefi-how-to-reboot-to-the-uefi-setup-screen-like-windows-8-can
[22:07] <TJ-> regedit: short story: Hold down shift at boot to access GRUB menu, press 'c' to get to grub command-line, and run "fwsetup'
[22:07] <kostkon> hplc, per wikipedia article, they are no longer manufactured. Have you checked on ebay?
[22:07] <HackSmash> when yer looking at your wallet .... is it possible to open the "MY LAST TRADES 24H" bit in its own window ??
[22:08] <hplc> kostkon, i was about to go there
[22:08] <HackSmash> bah   ww
[22:08] <hplc> kostkon, but the i realized SM are so very far behind SD :S
[22:08] <histo> didn't htink of fwsetup
[22:09] <kostkon> hplc, true. There is a rather "funny" picture on the article comparing the sizes of SD and SM cards
[22:09] <regedit> TJ- / Jordan_U / histo: alright trying this now... thanks muchly for all the help thus far
[22:09] <hplc> kostkon, how does CF do compared to SD?
[22:10] <kostkon> hplc, they are also an older tech than SD
[22:10] <hplc> kostkon, personally i kinda have some prejudice against cards no bigger than my thumbnail
[22:10] <histo> regedit: did you try efibootmgr -n 0  ?
[22:11] <TJ-> hplc: Compact Flash was also designed to support active devices, such as GPS and WiFi modules in portable devices
[22:11] <kostkon> hplc, nah, it's just that the manufacturing process of electronic has become much more advanced and fine grained. I wouldn't really worry about the size of a memory card as much as the type of memory that is has for example
[22:12] <kostkon> electronics*
[22:12] <TJ-> much easier for the cat to swallow a micro-SD than a CF card :)
[22:12] <hplc> what TJ said got my interest
[22:12] <regedit> (still here, rebooting soon..) histo: not yet, that from within ubuntu? or grub
[22:12] <jxshxx> ubuntu282
[22:13] <hplc> " Compact Flash was also designed to support active devices," how you mean?
[22:13] <TJ-> hplc: devices with active I/O devices on them, not just storage
[22:13] <histo> regedit: try the grub thing first. if that doesn't work we may be able to tell efibootmgr to do it from within ubuntu
[22:14]  * hplc is CF the road to my nirvana?
[22:14] <histo> regedit: by the grub thing I'm referring to fwsetup
[22:14] <hplc> how fast does CF go?
[22:14] <hplc> 30MB/s?
[22:14] <hplc> 50?
[22:14] <k1l> depends on the bus its connected to
[22:14] <Johnny_Linux> 100khz
[22:15] <hplc> hmm me want, so, a fat external reader with an e-sata interface?
[22:15] <bekks> hplc: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CompactFlash ;)
[22:15] <k1l> compactflash 6.0 is somewhat above 150MB/s
[22:16] <saberu> i think ive found the problem
[22:16] <TJ-> regedit: I've just found a clue as to why you've lost the "Press X to enter Setup" option. Apparently, in some firmwares it notices when a new UEFI boot-loader has *just* been added and shows that message! It would be worth installing another (fake) UEFI boot entry using efibootmgr from linux to see if you can trigger that
[22:16] <saberu> gnutls seems to be missing from my apt get reps
[22:16] <hplc> btw offtopic, how fast does the signals in the human braincells travel? (for comparison)
[22:16] <TJ-> hplc: at the speed of thought
[22:16] <kostkon> TJ-, nice one
[22:16] <hplc> no i mean it, really
[22:16] <hplc> lightspeed?
[22:17] <Jordan_U> !ot | hplc
[22:17] <MonkeyDust> hplc  semi light speed (energy travels with the speed of light, slowed down by the medium it's in)
[22:17] <Johnny_Linux> if the electrons in atom travel @ the speed of light, how fast would you expect
[22:17] <hplc> whats the fastest bus technology ubuntu supports?
[22:17] <bekks> hplc: Infiniband.
[22:17] <hplc> pci-x mounted media?
[22:20] <vacho> hey everyone..I am trying to SSH to a ubuntu web server. I put my public RSA key in /home/[name]/.ssh/authorized_keys file....
[22:20] <vacho> but I am still not able to SSH in.. I am getting Permission Denied (public key)
[22:21] <MonkeyDust> vacho  the key needs to be on the remote machine too
[22:21] <vacho> MonkeyDust: which key?
[22:22] <vacho> MonkeyDust: I put my public RSA key on the remote machine in file authorized_keys
[22:22] <regedit> (still here, rebooting soon..) TJ-: interesting... noted
[22:22] <MonkeyDust> vacho  and on the local machine?
[22:22] <vacho> MonkeyDust: yes of course, I got it from my local machine :)
[22:22] <k1l> vacho: is key auth enabled in the ssh config on that server?
[22:22] <vacho> MonkeyDust: it's on my local machine in .ssh folder
[22:23] <MonkeyDust> vacho  did you put inin known_hosts?
[22:23] <MonkeyDust> in*
[22:23] <vacho> MonkeyDust: do I need to ?
[22:23] <TJ-> vacho: did you use ssh-copy-id to transfer the public key?
[22:23] <vacho> TJ-: No, I just logged in as root, and put it there
[22:23] <MonkeyDust> ouch
[22:24] <TJ-> vacho: did you check the ownership or permissions of the "/home/$USER/.ssh/authorized_keys" files didn't get changed?
[22:25] <vacho> TJ-: I logged in as root, then did su - [username] and placed the file there.
[22:25] <vacho> TJ-: the .ssh folder and authorized_keys are both owned by the user, not by root.
[22:25] <MonkeyDust> vacho  i guess you already read this page https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSH/OpenSSH/Keys
[22:25] <Laban> I'm trying to find the pid of a network process, but netstat isn't showing it.
[22:25] <strtok> run it with -p
[22:26] <species> if I edit rc.local to start a process (in this case, something running in nodejs), then log in with ssh, how do I find the PID of that process?
[22:26] <Laban> strtok: Doesn't say anything where pid is supposed to be.
[22:26] <dfgass> has anyone gotten dropbox to work on 15.04 server?
[22:26] <vacho> MonkeyDust: procedure is simple, not sure what I am doing wrong........ does my remote .ssh folder need to have a public and private key?? currently, there is only one file in .ssh folder which is authorized_keys
[22:27] <strtok> Laban: netstat -p will show the pid
[22:28] <k1l> vacho: is the ssh key accesible by the user that is used for the ssh connection?
[22:28] <TJ-> vacho: monitor the server's sshd log output
[22:28] <TJ-> vacho: also, increase client debug output
[22:31] <vacho> k1l: yes
[22:31] <Sleaker> hi
[22:32] <vacho> TJ-: Do I need to put my key in known_hosts... I don't right? Also.. server does not need public/private keypair correct?
[22:32] <Sleaker> I'm working with 14.04 and noticing an odd issue with the shutdown process sometimes turning the computer off immediately.  Is there anyway to turn on logging of the shutdown process to help with this? I'm not seeing any log files get created in syslog other than for bootup even when the system shuts down correctly.
[22:32] <TJ-> vacho: Correct. known_hosts is on the client side. Server has public key, client has public and private keys
[22:33] <vacho> TJ-: gotcha, I feel this should work.. I am thinking it's the permissions perhaps..let me investigate further. This is with Amazon EC2 btw.
[22:34] <TJ-> vacho: in these cases I always increas the verbosity of the log output to maximum on both sides
[22:35] <vacho> TJ-: lemme play around a little more..
[22:39] <vacho> I am logged in as root, but cannot access users home folder, how can I access /home/[username]/.ssh of a user?
[22:46] <petrvs> vacho: 'access'?
[22:47] <Sleaker> vacho: pretty sure root has access to all files regardless of permissions. how are you trying to access the home/username/.ssh folder?
[22:48] <species> 1) dont log in as root... 2) you should be able to `cd /home' and see the user folders
[22:48] <OerHeks> amazon guide gives a clear tutorial howto make ssh keys and transferring to the client  http://docs.aws.amazon.com/AWSEC2/latest/UserGuide/AccessingInstancesLinux.html
[22:48] <linux> hello jasoniumh
[22:51] <Jordan_U> vacho: Does this particular user use ecryptfs to encrypt their home directory? If so, you'll see a file explaining that if you "ls /home/user/", and allowing passwordless login for this user becomes much trickier, if it's possible at all.
[22:51] <jasoniumh> linux: What's four plus three?
[22:51] <bazhang> jasoniumh, stay on topic here
[22:53] <linux> hello every body
[22:54] <bazhang> linux ubuntu support question?
[22:54] <saberu> i have a question, can u help?
[22:55] <linux> yes why not
[22:55] <linux> saberu
[22:56] <david__> hi
[22:56] <linux> ni david
[22:57] <david__> speak spanish?
[22:57] <k1l> !es | david__
[22:57] <linux> un porquito david
[22:58] <linux> do you live in spain david
[22:59] <bazhang> linux this is not a chat channel
[22:59] <bazhang> linux #ubuntu-offtopic for chit chat NOT here
[22:59] <david__> no, i from argentina. my english is bad.
[22:59] <david__> i am from argentina.
[22:59] <linux> oh yes argentina
[22:59] <dfgass> is there a server channel?
[23:00] <linux> i like this country
[23:00] <bazhang> #ubuntu-server
[23:00] <dfgass> ty
[23:00] <linux> but all south america
[23:00] <bazhang> !ot | linux
[23:00] <david__> Good. ;-)
[23:01] <linux> i live in france
[23:01] <david__> france?.
[23:01] <david__> i like france too.
[23:01] <bazhang> david__, did you have an ubuntu support question
[23:02] <david__> i like ice scream.  XD
[23:04] <Sleaker> bazhang: I posted one up a little bit ago
[23:04] <Sleaker> trying to track down a shutdown issue and not sure how to get logging enabled for the shutdown process in 14.04
[23:04] <Ben64> Sleaker: you can repeat every once in a while, 20 minutes or so, looks like you asked about 32 minutes ago
[23:04] <jeunesse__> slt
[23:05] <Ben64> Sleaker: what is it doing/not doing
[23:06] <Guest91023> boa noite, preciso de ajuda com o samba
[23:06] <Sleaker> sometimes when I tell the system to shutdown it immediately turns off, the next boot will pop grub in non-auto boot mode as it detected an incorrect shutdown
[23:06] <Sleaker> but it's a bit random.
[23:07] <Sleaker> normally it takes about 5-10 seconds to shut off safely.
[23:08] <regedit> TJ- / Jordan_U: there doesnt seem to be a 'fwsetup' command at the grub> shell :(
[23:08] <OerHeks> Sleaker, sounds a heat problem, but var/log/kern.log or kern.1.log should tell you more
[23:09] <hplc> seems this gets more and more sluggish by the week, whats in charge of prioritize processes?, it need to be tweaked, "watchdog"?, "Ooopsie"?,
[23:09] <Jordan_U> regedit: Then you're not booting grub via UEFI, and it may be that you're also not booting Windows via UEFI (which would explain why its similar option disappeared as well).
[23:09] <TJ-> regedit: you may need to load the module: you'd do "insmod fwsetup" then you can call it with "fwsetup"
[23:10] <Sleaker> OerHeks: how does that sound like a heat problem?
[23:10] <Sleaker> lol
[23:10] <Sleaker> it's not a heat problem.
[23:10] <TJ-> regedit: although I don't see a the fwsetup module installed by the Ubuntu packages on 14.04 at least
[23:10] <Sleaker> the issue only occurs when 'Shutdown' is selected from the menu options. and it only happens maybe 25% of the time.
[23:11] <Sleaker> it's not a random shutdown. It's that I'm selecting to shutdown the system but it turns off prematurel before all resources are closed.
[23:11] <Sleaker> prematurely*
[23:11] <TJ-> regedit: Ahhh, here we go: "insmod efifwsetup"
[23:11] <Sleaker> no temperature alarm has been tripped.
[23:11] <Sleaker> kern.log has no shutdown messages that I'm aware of
[23:12] <Sleaker> which is what is confusing me.
[23:12] <TJ-> regedit: In 'fast boot' (sometimes called ultra-fast boot) mode to get into Setup the boot device(s) may need to be detached so there's nothing to boot! See http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/149761/how-much-speed-difference-for-a-tweaked-bios-versus-uefi-boot
[23:12] <regedit> TJ-: what do i do with that command, here in ubuntu shell? or reboot to the grub shell?
[23:13] <TJ-> regedit: reboot into the GRUB command-line, then do "insmod efifwsetup"  then "fwsetup"
[23:14] <Jordan_U> regedit: TJ-: Wait, lets first confirm that we're even booted via UEFI.
[23:14] <regedit> TJ-:  ok, should i try that before this new detaching suggestion you speak of?
[23:14] <regedit> Jordan_U: OK
[23:14] <OerHeks> Sleaker, how about /var/log/messages ?
[23:14] <regedit> last i was able to get into setup, i did enable UEFI in bios
[23:14] <Sleaker> I'm not really seeing any messages related to shutdown in any log files
[23:14] <Sleaker> only startup
[23:15] <Sleaker> even when the system shuts down correctly.
[23:15] <regedit> and Eric^^ helped me setup GPT for my dual boot
[23:15] <regedit> then i installed windows and then ubuntu, and then the bios disappeared
[23:15] <regedit> not sure exactly at which point...
[23:15] <regedit> Jordan_U: how do i check that?
[23:15] <Jordan_U> regedit: Please run "[ -d /sys/firmware/efi ] && echo UEFI || echo BIOS"
[23:15] <regedit> ok
[23:16] <regedit> UEFI !
[23:16] <psusi> regedit, if you can't get into your bios setup, you will have to consult your motherboard manufacturer
[23:16] <regedit> ye those motherf***turers
[23:16] <regedit> :D
[23:16] <Jordan_U> regedit: Great, then TJ- is likely right about needing to insert the module first.
[23:17] <Jordan_U> regedit: Please watch your language, obfuscated or not.
[23:17] <regedit> oh sorry :p my bad
[23:17] <b4tm4n> is there an accepted way to connect on boot to a vpn (openvpn)?
[23:17] <happyfr0gg> I have Python 2.x installed. If I want to install version 3.x, should I 1st uninstall version 2.x?
[23:17] <TJ-> regedit: All the fwsetup command does is set the UEFI variable: OsIndications = 1
[23:18] <Jordan_U> happyfr0gg: No, definitely not.
[23:18] <regedit> need to memorize this weird command... insmod efifwsetup, then fwsetup...
[23:18] <Sleaker> happyfr0gg: no you need both most likely
[23:18] <petrvs> happyfr0gg: you probably have both already
[23:18] <petrvs> which python3
[23:18] <Sleaker> there's tons of scripts that explicitly need python2.x and some might need python3.x
[23:18] <TJ-> regedit: ... and the do a grub_reboot() of course :)
[23:19] <TJ-> regedit: write it down!
[23:19] <regedit> huh? whadyou mean, is that a command?
[23:19] <regedit> yep writing these down
[23:19] <TJ-> regedit: No, I'm telling you what is happening under the hood... simply setting a variable to the value 1
[23:19] <happyfr0gg> Would it be safe to install Python version 3 while keeping version 2 intact?
[23:19] <regedit> that stupid 1 bit driving me nuts for several days now...
[23:20] <regedit> alright, going for it, wish me luck...
[23:20] <TJ-> regedit: Every bug always boils down to a single bit!
[23:20] <Sleaker> OerHeks: hmm yah I'm tailing messages and kernel log from ssh and nothing gets written into when I issue a shutdown from the computer it looks like.
[23:20] <regedit> yep
[23:21] <Sleaker> does 14.04 not have missing rsyslog stuffs?
[23:21] <Sleaker> or maybe something with logging that can be turned on somewhere?
[23:21] <TJ-> Sleaker: it sounds like the system is a doing a fast ACPI shutdown
[23:22] <Sleaker> happyfr0gg: yes, that's what you're supposed to do, as long as you're installing from apt/canonical it should work fine
[23:22] <TJ-> Sleaker: maybe playing with the kernel's acpi* parameters might help
[23:22] <ahop>  Have you ever used "alsamixer" ?
[23:22] <Sleaker> TJ-: hmm, any documentation on that? I was thinking it might be something with ACPI but I'm not familiar with adjusting that.
[23:22] <Sleaker> I'm also pretty sure it only happens on this newer CPU build that we are working with right now.
[23:23] <Sleaker> cause it just started happening when we received this new system.
[23:23] <happyfr0gg> Sleaker, okay.
[23:23] <TJ-> Sleaker: see https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/kernel-parameters.txt
[23:23] <Sleaker> thanks TJ-
[23:23] <TJ-> Sleaker: also, check the /var/log/dmesg for indications that the ACPI config at boot-time had any issues
[23:24] <regedit> no luck guys :(
[23:24] <TJ-> regedit: did it reboot when you issued "fwsetup" ?
[23:24] <regedit> TJ-: nope, just said cant find command fwsetup
[23:24] <TJ-> regedit: Let's check you have that module. Are you in Ubuntu now?
[23:25] <regedit> and /var/log/dmesg (Nothing has been logged yet.)
[23:25] <regedit> TJ-: yup in ubuntu now
[23:25] <Jordan_U> regedit: Did it complain when you ran "insmod efifwsetup"?
[23:25] <TJ-> regedit: do this: "ls /boot/grub/x86_64-efi/efi*"
[23:25] <regedit> Jordan_U: nope, just accepted the command silently
[23:25] <TJ-> regedit: You should see, almonst others, "efifwsetup.mod"
[23:26] <regedit> TJ-: yup efifwsetup.mod
[23:26] <TJ-> regedit: Don't worry, you didn't do it wrong. The 'fwsetup' code is a non-op if it checks the host system and finds it doesn't support "OsIndications"
[23:27] <Jordan_U> regedit: Next time you're at the grub shell, as a test try running "insmod bogus", and see if it silently accepts that as well. I'm thinking that Ubuntu's modifications for disabling module loading for secure boot may be in play.
[23:27] <TJ-> regedit: This just means that Lenovo have not implemented that interface
[23:27] <regedit> the first message i see when grub loads (top left corner) is something like "Booting in insecure mode" _
[23:28] <Jordan_U> TJ-: But the command is registered either way, so they woudn't have recieved the "command not found" error message.
[23:28] <TJ-> Jordan_U: where was the command not found message?
[23:28] <regedit> [19:24] <TJ-> regedit: did it reboot when you issued "fwsetup" ? [19:24] <regedit> TJ-: nope, just said cant find command fwsetup
[23:29] <TJ-> Jordan_U: sorry, I didn't scroll far enough
[23:29] <TJ-> Jordan_U: No, that's not how it works. The command registration is conditional on "OsIndicationsSupported" being available
[23:30] <regedit> so that's it? i'm terminally out of luck here?
[23:30] <TJ-> regedit: did you see that last link I pasted for you before you rebooted?
[23:31] <regedit> TJ-: no actually not, sorry i lost it
[23:31] <Jordan_U> TJ-: Indeed. I think I'll submit a patch to change that, it would be much better to have the command exist but give a useful error message.
[23:31] <TJ-> regedit: that talks about fast boot (aka ulta fast boot) mode needing the  boot device to be disconnected in order to get into Setup
[23:32] <regedit> TJ-: mind repasting the link please?
[23:32] <TJ-> regedit: In 'fast boot' (sometimes called ultra-fast boot) mode to get into Setup the boot device(s) may need to be detached so there's nothing to boot! See http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/149761/how-much-speed-difference-for-a-tweaked-bios-versus-uefi-boot
[23:33] <regedit> TJ-: so like, i should pull out my internal HDDs?
[23:35] <TJ-> regedit: It's worth a try. Here's someone else, very technical, who triggered the same situation you're in: https://www.bios-mods.com/forum/Thread-Lenovo-UEFI-NVRAM-Nightmare
[23:36] <regedit> TJ-: https://xkcd.com/979/ :'(
[23:36] <TJ-> regedit: Here's something more hopeful for you!   http://superuser.com/questions/809412/bios-recovery-for-lenovo-ideapad-u410
[23:37] <regedit> TJ-: sadly, i tried that too, to no avail...
[23:38] <regedit> TJ-: the USB does seem to do some action, and the puter does something and then power cycles, but no change
[23:38] <Emanuel> I have a headless ubuntu system on my home network. How do I make a shared folder that windows systems can access to save files?
[23:38] <TJ-> regedit: Did you put the .cap file from the ExtactTemp/ directory on it?
[23:38] <regedit> i wonder if something goes wrong and then the backup BIOS gets reset
[23:38] <regedit> TJ-: yup
[23:39] <rootsudo> Emanuel: samba
[23:39] <regedit> renamed it boot.wpf (or wtvr) & all...
[23:39] <TJ-> regedit: Hmmm, let me keep digging
[23:39] <regedit> TJ-: you are a blessed soul :) thank you very mucholy
[23:39] <regedit> *muchly
[23:40] <Emanuel> rootsudo I do have Samba installed because I see the computer in my Windows network but I don't know how to make a shared folder without a GUI and right now it's not possible for me to get a GUI on tbe box
[23:41] <rootsudo> Emanuel: CLI
[23:41] <petrvs> Emanuel: http://code.google.com/p/win-sshfs/ would be pretty easy
[23:41] <rootsudo> Emanuel: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/How%20to%20Create%20a%20Network%20Share%20Via%20Samba%20Via%20CLI%20(Command-line%20interface/Linux%20Terminal)%20-%20Uncomplicated,%20Simple%20and%20Brief%20Way!
[23:42] <Emanuel> rootsudo, tjank you thying info from https://help.ubuntu.com/community/How%20to%20Create%20a%20Network%20Share%20Via%20Samba%20Via%20CLI%20%28Command-line%20interface/Linux%20Terminal%29%20-%20Uncomplicated%2C%20Simple%20and%20Brief%20Way%21
[23:43] <quazimodo> hullo
[23:43] <quazimodo> guys what's the software layer that handles my trackpad ?
[23:44] <quazimodo> i have a lenovo R500 and I really want to change how the trackpad and trackpoint (nipple) respond.
[23:44] <quazimodo> ideally, I want less acceleration and more raw sensitivity
[23:44] <quazimodo> anyone knows?
[23:44] <quazimodo> also my trackpad seems to be 'spongey' as in it doesn't have a snappy response
[23:44] <petrvs> quazimodo: probably synaptics
[23:45] <happyfr0gg> In he Ubuntu Software Center, I see in "All Software" Python version 3 but upon clicking on the "More Info" button, it states that it is not found.
[23:45] <regedit> TJ-: i must sadly get going for an Hr or more... i will be back though, and will be trying to remove the HDD to see if anything gives, and to see if you may have stumbled upon anything
[23:45] <quazimodo> petrvs: it's not synaptics actually
[23:45] <petrvs> quazimodo: what's not?
[23:46] <TJ-> regedit: Right now I'd recommend pulling the boot drive out see if that works. I need to get to bed it's late here
[23:46] <sat-buddhi> hi everyone
[23:46] <quazimodo> Ithink it's ALPS
[23:46] <developer> .
[23:47] <regedit> TJ-: aight then, i'll report my findings next i'm online
[23:47] <regedit> TJ-: as yet another understatement, thanks again :)
[23:48] <quazimodo> petrvs: xinput i guess
[23:48] <TJ-> regedit! try this - the last comment  https://forums.lenovo.com/t5/Lenovo-U-and-S-Series-Notebooks/U410-Cannot-access-to-BIOS/ta-p/1406743
[23:48] <Emanuel> In an unrealted question, does anyone here use CrashPlan for backups?
[23:49] <regedit> TJ-: so sad to report - that didnt work either... :(
[23:50] <sat-buddhi> does someone know how to solve the next problem? "dpkg: error fatal irrecuperable, abortando:
[23:50] <TJ-> regedit: Grrrr... oh well
[23:50] <sat-buddhi>  el fichero de lista de ficheros del paquete `zenity'
[23:50] <sat-buddhi> contiene un nombre de fichero vacío
[23:50] <sat-buddhi> "
[23:50] <petrvs> quazimodo: you seem simultaneously ignorant, sure, and unsure
[23:50] <petrvs> pick one
[23:50]  * petrvs goes to chop vegetables
[23:50] <regedit> TJ-: yep lenovo suggested that, i was surprised to discover that button had its own menu i didnt kn ow about, but yeah the setup option does nothing more than boot
[23:51] <regedit> TJ-: i wonder if any of this depended on the initial manufacturer setup, with their recovery partition etc which i wiped
[23:51] <TJ-> regedit: I wonder ... that button plus the Fn+F2 ? :D
[23:51] <regedit> TJ-: hey i can try but heh
[23:51] <Jordan_U> TJ-: I wonder if the previous version of the firmware supported OS Indications and this version doesn't. It would explain the option dissapearing in Windows.
[23:51] <TJ-> regedit: Or maybe drop a brick on it :)
[23:51] <ubuntu925> Emanuel: lots of open source backup apps in the repos, we support the re[pos.
[23:52] <regedit> Jordan_U: what previous? to my knowledge the firmware has not been changed
[23:52] <regedit> Jordan_U: on the contrary, i fail to change (flash) it
[23:52] <TJ-> Jordan_U: the firmware update hasn't been successful yet so I doubt it
[23:52] <Emanuel> ubuntu925, I know there are many backup apps, but I chose Crash Plan but can't figure out why it's eating disk space
[23:52] <quazimodo> petrvs: lol
[23:52] <Emanuel> on the wrong drove
[23:54] <Jordan_U> regedit: What was your original end goal in flashing it?
[23:54] <quazimodo> petrvs: i'm not sure of anything, but i have some experience. I know it's not asynaptics device, but i have no idea if it's a hardware limitation (the non snappy response from the pad). As for the stick, it's an ALPS DualPoint Stick and I *just* figured out that the Device Accel Constant Decelration controls it's sensitivity
[23:54] <ubuntu925> Emanuel: Not supported here is all, looks to be closed source kinda outta the loop here.
[23:54] <regedit> Jordan_U: hoping to be able to access it? i had lost access to bios setup, as mentioned
[23:54] <TJ-> Jordan_U: here's our complete chat log on this covering both the UEFI setting and trying to get the flash update to work http://paste.ubuntu.com/11726833/
[23:54] <Jordan_U> regedit: OK. Have you ever been able to access the BIOS setup?
[23:54] <regedit> Jordan_U: from what i can tell, all flashing attempts have always failed
[23:54] <quazimodo> petrvs: in conclusion, I really am ignorant sure and unsure
[23:55] <regedit> Jordan_U: yup, before all this EFI/GPT dual boot stuff
[23:55] <Jordan_U> TJ-: Thanks.
[23:55] <Emanuel> ubuntu925, thanks. It seems to be the ONLY Linux/Windws/Mac product to backup locally and remotely that I am able to understand
[23:55] <TJ-> Jordan_U: this is a better log... it's in proper date order! http://paste.ubuntu.com/11726839/
[23:56] <regedit> i sadly do really need to get going, i will try my luck with pulling out internal HDD and check back next i'm online to see if anyone found any additional ideas
[23:56] <TJ-> Jordan_U: There's a known bug in the current firmware which causes this lost Setup entry option, which the newer firmware specific claims to fix. This is often triggered by using Windows Recovery, but it is also caused by adding other OS boot options apparently, from what I've read.
[23:56] <TJ-> regedit: go ... doubtless we'll catch up later today/tomorrow - I definitely want to hear how it gets fixed!
[23:57] <sat-buddhi> can someone give an advise about a problem with an update
[23:57] <regedit> cheers, can't thank y'all enough
[23:58] <ubuntu925> !backup | Emanuel