[08:36] <iskandiar> hey
[08:36] <iskandiar> bye
[08:57] <Reptilia> How do i make Xubuntu remember my brightness level setup for the next boot? On every new boot i have to re-adjust the brightness to the desired level, and the OS won't remember my choice. Also, i can't find a GUI for changing the brightness on Xubuntu. Any ideas? Thanks in advance.
[09:08] <Luyin> Reptilia for a GUI install xfce4-power-manager
[09:09] <Luyin> then add brightness plugin to your panel
[09:10] <Reptilia> Luyin:Thanks. Will that solve the problem with the brightness level?
[09:11] <Luyin> Reptilia I don't think so, no
[09:12] <Semiarty> Reptilia https://forum.xfce.org/viewtopic.php?id=9091&p=2 post #40
[09:13] <Semiarty> 39 and 40*
[09:14] <Reptilia> Luyin:I can't find a brightness plugin as an option
[09:14] <Luyin> Reptilia did you install the package I was referring to?
[09:15] <Reptilia> Luyin:Yup, and the terminal printed that "xfce4-power-manager" was in the latest version
[09:18] <Reptilia> Semiarty:Thanks, but...i want to make it work in the "regular way". If i don't find a regular way, i will try that for sure :)
[09:18] <Luyin> Reptilia I've only got the german interface, so don't know what the correct name is, but it might be something like "power management"
[09:22] <Reptilia> Luyin:Yup, i already have that plugin on my panel, but there it only shows the battery percentage, no brightness options.
[09:24] <Luyin> Reptilia you ought to be able to scroll the mouse scroll wheel on the panel symbol to increase/decrease display brightness, and you should be able to click on the symbol to see brightness options
[09:25] <Reptilia> Luyin:Nope, there is no such thing
[09:27] <Luyin> Reptilia http://docs.xfce.org/xfce/xfce4-power-manager/panel-plugin
[09:33] <Reptilia> Luyin:Yup i know, it used to be fine on previous versions, i have recently noticed that the brightness slider is gone.
[09:34] <Reptilia> Luyin:I have been setting it manually on every boot, but got tired of doing that all the time
[09:37] <Luyin> what happened before you noticed the slider was gone? did you do a full system upgrade, installed/removed any packages?
[09:40] <Reptilia> Luyin:Full sys update no, but i've done several updates
[09:41] <Luyin> Reptilia try doing a full upgrade (sudo apt upadte && sudo apt dist-upgrade), reboot, and try again. if that doesn't work, you might want to file a bug report. I have no idea what else could cause this. someone else might have a better idea, though
[09:42] <Reptilia> Luyin:Actually there wasn't a brightness slider since i've installed the OS, but the OS used to remember my brightness level setup, so i didn't have to set it again on every boot. I think an update ~ 10 days ago changed this.
[09:49] <Luyin> Reptilia which ubuntu version have you got installed?
[09:50] <Reptilia> 14.04
[09:50] <Reptilia> I've done the update, as you suggested
[09:51] <Reptilia> rebooting
[09:53] <Reptilia> Luyin:Nah, still the same
[09:54] <Luyin> Reptilia I'm just checking whether the slider ought to be at a different place in XFCE 4.10, since I'm on 4.12 here via ppa. wait a sec
[09:54] <Reptilia> Luyin:Sure
[09:55] <Meerkat> From my experience 14.04 has never saved my brightness setting between boots.
[09:56] <Luyin> Reptilia seems like also in 4.10 the xfce4-power-manager is responsible for the brightness plugin. so there should be a brightness plugin somewhere in your panel items
[09:56] <Luyin> if it isn't, I have no idea why yours isn't showing
[10:00] <Reptilia> Well, i will do a 15.04 update then
[10:00] <Reptilia> Since Meerkat also said that he has encountered the same problem
[10:01] <Reptilia> on 14.04
[10:09] <Meerkat> it's more that I haven't encountered a working 14.04 version yet
[10:21] <Reptilia> Meerkat:Haha :D
[10:25] <Luyin> I've changed my cursor theme to dmz black. but on some elements, like the window panes, in hexchat, and on the xfdesktop, I still get the white dmz cursor. how can I fix that?
[11:29] <Reptilia> I've updated to 14.10 and again, there is no brightness slider.
[11:30] <ochosi> Reptilia: i'm not sure what version of xfce4-power-manager we shipped in 14.10, but the one in 15.04 has a brightness slider
[11:30] <ochosi> the panel plugin you're looking for is called "Power Manager Plugin"
[11:31] <Reptilia> ochosi:Yup, that's the one without the brightness slider. Thanks
[11:31] <Reptilia> ochosi:Cool theme colors in 14.10 btw (the default purple :))
[11:31] <ochosi> thanks :)
[11:31] <Reptilia> purple/rose
[11:31] <ochosi> 14.10 was already so long ago i practically forgot about it already ;)
[11:32] <Reptilia> ochosi:Also, i've noticed that the app execution time is lowered
[11:32] <ochosi> we didn't do anything about that though. at least not specifically
[11:32] <Reptilia> Yeah, but it's noticeable, don't know what could be the cause
[11:33] <Reptilia> Like, it's more instant :D
[11:33] <Reptilia> ochosi:K, i will update to 15.04 then
[11:35] <Meerkat> can we get that slider backported to 14.04?
[11:40] <ochosi> Meerkat: you can do that at your own risk by using some of our PPAs, but we won't do that
[11:40] <ochosi> 14.04 is about stability, and there's some risk things will go awry with xfpm and light-locker
[11:43] <Meerkat> I understand. Has any work for 16.04 begun? Even at a planning stage?
[11:44] <cfhowlett> Meerkat, WIP
[11:46] <Reptiliah> ochosi:What about the #1395720 bug? Have you resolved the issue?
[11:46] <Reptiliah> ochosi:This is the first time i am reading release notes, lol
[11:46] <ochosi> Meerkat: 15.10 is the next release
[11:49] <brainwash> bug 1395720
[11:50] <ochosi> that's not even a bug imo
[11:57] <Reptiliah> ochosi:You're right. A Live session, lol. Forgot what a live session was
[11:57] <Meerkat> what is catfish used for?
[11:58] <bazhang> !info catfish
[12:33] <Reptilia> ochosi:Nope, the brightness slider is missing again, after the 15.04 update. xfce4-power-manager says it's in the latest version
[12:34] <ochosi> Reptilia: then it's possible your display brightness control isn't supported, sry
[12:38] <Reptilia> ochosi:hmm
[13:14] <Reptilia> Is it safe to remove xfce4-power-manager, and install it again?
[13:37] <Reptilia> Is it safe to remove xfce4-power-manager, and install it again?
[13:41] <Reptilia> Xubuntu 15.04 will show the brightness slider while i am in a Guest Session. The whole look of the window that opens when i click on the battery icon, is different from the one on my usr account.
[14:15] <Reptilia> Xubuntu 15.04 will show the brightness slider while i am in a Guest Session. The whole look of the window that opens when i click on the battery icon, is different from the one on my usr account.
[15:16] <Reptilia> Xubuntu 15.04 will show the brightness slider while i am in a Guest Session. The whole look of the window that opens when i click on the battery icon, is different from the one on my usr account.
[15:18] <GridCube> Reptilia: if you upgraded your system you might be carrying old desktop theme configs, you can delete those and relogin, you will get the exact same desktop than guest
[15:18] <GridCube> its just common sense not to overwrite them, usually people changes the desktop theme to their liking, like adding more launchers and what not
[15:18] <GridCube> i personally like to use my panels in vertical mode P:
[15:37] <Reptilia> GridCube:All right then, how do i delete the old desktop theme configuration?
[15:40] <GridCube> Reptilia: rename or delete ~/.config/xfce4/panel
[15:40] <GridCube> and relog
[15:42] <GridCube> in fact if you just delete the whole ~/.config/xfce4 you will get the desktop reseted as if its the first boot :)
[15:43] <Reptilia> GridCube:What is the usage of "~"?
[15:46] <GridCube> ~ means /home/yourusername/
[15:46] <Reptilia> thanks
[15:47] <GridCube> or whatever is your home, if you are root in other OSs it could also mean /root/, its basically the home folder for the current user
[15:47] <GridCube> its like . and .., which means "in this directory" and "in they up directory to this one" thats why you cd .. :D
[15:48] <GridCube> thats also why you execute scripts by ./script.sh, becase the . means "excute this file in this directory" P:
[15:51] <GridCube> Reptilia: notice how if you open a terminal it will say something like, rept@tilia:~$ as your prompt :)
[15:51] <GridCube> but if you cd anywhere else the ~ changes to the current directory name :D
[15:52] <Reptilia> GridCube:Damn, i didn't know that's the reason for the ./ thing :D
[15:52] <GridCube> :D
[15:52] <Reptilia> GridCube:I have been using that while i was the C course at my uni
[15:53] <GridCube> :)
[15:53] <Reptilia> while i was learning*
[15:53] <Reptilia> thanks
[15:53] <GridCube> its simple things like this that i find awesome of the linuxverse, almost everything has a why
[15:54] <Reptilia> GridCube:Yeah, i found Linux interesting because of that, too
[15:54] <GridCube> and now you can understand this joke: ~ sweet ~
[15:54] <GridCube> :D
[15:54] <Reptilia> haha
[15:54] <Reptilia> :D
[15:56] <Reptilia> GridCube:So, if i reset everything, where are the files that are not @ the Desktop, will be moved to?
[15:56] <GridCube> Reptilia: in theory you can use stuff like that when programming, you say you give your program a config file, but you dont know how the username will be, so you need to get the config file from somewhere, you program your program to get the configfile from ~/.config/myprogram, and so you dont bother to learn the username
[15:56] <Reptilia> damn, what a bad formulated question.
[15:57] <GridCube> Reptilia: your files are not touched
[15:57] <GridCube> the ones that are missing respawn
[15:57] <Reptilia> respawn hahahaha
[15:57] <GridCube> but the rest remains exactly the same, you are the one deleting or renaming
[15:58] <Reptilia> kk
[15:58] <Reptilia> thanks
[15:59] <Reptilia> GridCube:Rebooting, brb
[15:59] <GridCube> no need to reboot...
[15:59] <GridCube> too late XD
[16:01] <Reptilia> GridCube:Nothing is reseted
[16:01] <GridCube> o:
[16:01] <Reptilia> I have deleted the whole xfce4 folder
[16:02] <GridCube> btw you dont need to do a full reboot, just login off and on again should do the trick
[16:02] <Reptilia> kk
[16:02] <GridCube> how weird
[16:02] <Reptilia> any ideas? :)
[16:02] <GridCube> are your panels and your desktop background the same as before the change?
[16:03] <TheRotundGollumB> test
[16:03] <Reptilia> GridCube:Yes
[16:03] <GridCube> test failed
[16:03] <TheRotundGollumB> it did not
[16:03] <GridCube> Reptilia: mmm
[16:03] <GridCube> yes it did
[16:03] <Reptilia> When you wrote "test", the separator line moved
[16:03] <TheRotundGollumB> bugger. back to the drawing slate
[16:04] <TheRotundGollumB> i will whip the gnome responsible
[16:04] <GridCube> Reptilia: thats cos' his nic is pretty long
[16:04] <Reptilia> Oh, the client got accustomed to his long nickname
[16:04] <Reptilia> hahahaha
[16:04] <GridCube> Reptilia: i think you  need to delete the files while not running them
[16:05] <GridCube> like from guest
[16:05] <Reptilia> GridCube:All right, i will do that
[16:05] <GridCube> or log off go to a terminal alt-f1 and login and mv ~/.config/xfce4 ~/.config/xfce4old
[16:05] <GridCube> ah
[16:06] <ShortGollum> i have corruption when my xubuntu screensaver is interrupted. I will pay one potato if someone solves it
[16:06] <Reptilia> GridCube:Hmm, i've noticed this now
[16:06] <ShortGollum> i also have no keyboard lights. two potatoes for that one
[16:07] <GridCube> Reptilia:  or log off go to a terminal alt-f1 and login and mv ~/.config/xfce4 ~/.config/xfce4old
[16:07] <Reptilia> GridCube:In GuestSession, i have 2 battery icons. One is dark grey, and is the same as here on my usr account, and one is white and has the brightness slider feature.
[16:07] <GridCube> ShortGollum: sorry i know nothing about those sort of things
[16:08] <ShortGollum> its ok me either. i'm a bsd guy through and through
[16:08] <GridCube> Reptilia: mmm, try adding the complement of the energy administrator
[16:09] <ShortGollum> i think its just an ordinary laptop with manufacturers that haven't yet gone beyond binary blobs
[16:10] <Reptilia> GridCube:Hmm, where do i find that?
[16:10] <TRGB> this sounds like nonsense, abort rept
[16:11] <GridCube> right clic on the panel > panel > add new element
[16:11] <TRGB> don't stare him in the eyes
[16:12] <TRGB> he'll be able to control you
[16:12] <TRGB> why is my nick not changing?
[16:12] <GridCube> TRGB: theres an issue with light locker and screensavers, its recommended to use one or the other
[16:12] <GridCube> i dunno
[16:12] <TRGB> oh ok
[16:13] <TRGB> is it sufficient ot apt=remove light-locker or simeimalr?
[16:13] <TRGB> similar*
[16:14] <GridCube> i guess so, you are under your own responsability if you do based on the passing opinion of one dude on an irc channel
[16:14] <TRGB> well i can't recall installing it, and there's no harm in removing it
[16:14] <TRGB> i don't mind hosing this laptop
[16:14] <TRGB> tempted to try pc-fbsd
[16:15] <Reptilia> TRGB:Dude, i was just checking if i got him right. No need for arrogance.
[16:15] <TRGB> hmm?
[16:15] <TRGB> didn't mean to be arrogant
[16:15] <TRGB> sry
[16:15] <GridCube> TRGB: its the default locking software for most 'buntus
[16:15] <TRGB> had a few beers
[16:15] <TRGB> i come across that way at times without meaning it
[16:15] <GridCube> dont fuzz on it
[16:16] <TRGB> i'm not
[16:16] <GridCube> :D
[16:16] <TRGB> keyboard lights is my next crusade
[16:16] <TRGB> don't have em
[16:17] <TRGB> but i have c/c++ and would like to work out how i'd get the kernel to recognize this asus f550ze
[16:17] <Reptilia> GridCube:Finally
[16:17] <Reptilia> GridCube:Thanks
[16:17] <GridCube> Reptilia: :D
[16:17] <GridCube> what did the trick?
[16:17] <GridCube> TRGB: i read about that a few months ago
[16:17] <Reptilia> Adding the complement
[16:17] <GridCube> about the lights things
[16:18] <GridCube> so theres hope
[16:18] <Reptilia> Yes, it turns out that there are 2 different types of indicators
[16:18] <GridCube> Reptilia:great
[16:18] <TRGB> yeah i've seen snippets
[16:18] <Reptilia> Which open the same power manager settings
[16:18] <TRGB> but i'd be keen to delve myself
[16:18] <GridCube> Reptilia: sounds about right
[16:19] <Reptilia> GridCube:Why there are 2 - i don't know. But it works now, haha
[16:19] <TRGB> or better yet, a document on where to start with interfacing with that sort of thing
[16:19] <TRGB> but in the absence of that, i will ha ve a beer
[16:19] <TRGB> and a cig
[16:20] <TRGB> and curse you peasants for being a text interface
[16:20] <TRGB> *curse*
[16:20] <Reptilia> TRGB:What kind of beer have you been drinking?
[16:20] <TRGB> crown lager, its ok
[16:20] <TRGB> its apparently made from australian malt
[16:20] <TRGB> as opposed to ethiopian malt
[16:21] <Reptilia> TRGB:Hahahahahaah
[16:21] <TRGB> well hammered i guess, i'm sorry. i'm in a bit of a flux of a situation atm
[16:21] <GridCube> :)
[16:21] <TRGB> and being a pain because of it
[16:21] <GridCube> !ot | y'all
[16:22] <TRGB> meh. its a faitry quite channel. I'll fix all xubuntus!
[16:22] <GridCube> rules are rules, if we dont follow them we would fall into anarchy!
[16:22] <TRGB> true
[16:22] <TRGB> sry
[16:22] <TRGB> i will personally fix the hardest c or c++ bug on your plate stm
[16:22] <TRGB> atm
[16:23] <GridCube> and nothing good can come from anarchy, what would be next? free open software!?
[16:23] <TRGB> well, anarchy is a misjudged thing
[16:23] <GridCube> preposterous!
[16:23] <TRGB> ludicrous indeed
[16:23] <GridCube> yes
[16:23] <TRGB> next thing you know, humans will want to be free
[16:23] <GridCube> now i gotta do actual job
[16:23] <GridCube> good farings
[16:24] <TRGB> good day
[16:24] <TRGB> i am in between, so i will enjoy another beer
[16:24] <TRGB> does anyone remember the apple IIgs?
[16:25] <TRGB> how do i change channel to people that might?
[16:25] <holstein> TRGB: they may want to communicate about it in the #xubuntu-offtopic channel.. let us go there and see, since this is for support
[16:25] <TRGB> or bards tale
[16:25] <TRGB> ok sry, i don't mean to be an idiot
[16:25] <TRGB> i will remove myself shortly
[16:26] <holstein> TRGB: no need.. just come to the appropriate channel, and chat..
[16:26] <TRGB> name was a bit of a giveaway though
[16:26] <TRGB> how do i come to the appropriate channel?
[16:26] <holstein> TRGB: you can use the /join command, or, join channels however your chat client joins channels.. you can /join #xubuntu-offtopic
[16:27] <TRGB> no such channel #everquest
[16:27] <TRGB> what's going on, no everquest?
[16:27] <TRGB> #xubuntu-offtopic
[16:28] <holstein>  /join #xubuntu-offtopic
[16:29] <Reptilia> Is there a way to remove items from an *indicator plugin* ?
[16:29] <TRGB> that was a terrible room holstein, you should be ashamed.
[16:29] <xangua> what itmes¿ what indicator plugin¿
[16:30] <holstein> TRGB: friend, you have not joined the appropriate channel.. i have not seen you /join it.. please, use this channel for only xubuntu support.. the name of the chat channel is #xubuntu-offtopic ..feel free and copy paste /join #xubuntu-offtopic to avoid typos
[16:30] <Reptilia> xangua:Well, i have the old battery icon (from the indicator plugin (useless)) and the newly added (with the screen brightness slider). Since i don't want the useless one, which is part of the indicator plugin, can i remove it from it?
[16:31] <TRGB> I'm kidding, sorry I meant no offense, you've been great. Is IRC sort of federated? how would i get onto say, a freebsd irc chat from here?
[16:31] <holstein> !freenode
[16:31] <TRGB> !freenode
[16:32] <TRGB> i;ve been tricked
[16:32] <TRGB> has the zork highway shut down?
[16:32] <Reptilia> lol
[16:32] <TRGB> !freenode
[16:33] <holstein> TRGB: you can query the bot, and keep non support related typing from the channel.. thanks
[16:34] <TRGB> want some rye. course you do
[16:34] <TRGB> ok
[17:07] <TheRotundGollumB> i have developed a rash on my mouse, and xubuntu installed it
[17:08] <TheRotundGollumB> i think its herpes
[18:03] <Varan> .
[19:51] <Varan> sage
[20:39] <xubuntu40w> I have a basic question about Linux...
[20:39] <xubuntu40w> about the command cd...
[20:40] <xubuntu40w> can anybody help?
[20:41] <Azelphur> !ask | xubuntu40w
[20:41] <xubuntu40w> sorry
[20:41] <Unit193> Change directory
[20:41] <xubuntu40w> ok..
[20:42] <xubuntu40w> home/louis/Documents/Open Classrooms/ I can type  cd Documents and cd Open Classrooms
[20:42] <xubuntu40w> but ti doesnt work if I type cd Open Classrooms
[20:42] <xubuntu40w> How to type it?
[20:42] <Azelphur> xubuntu40w: you need to quote your arguments, cd sees you trying to cd into "Open" which doesn't exist
[20:42] <Azelphur> you can either escape the space by doing cd Open\ Classrooms
[20:42] <Azelphur> or use quotes, cd "Open Classrooms"
[20:43] <Azelphur> the same will actually apply to any command you use - not just cd
[20:43] <xubuntu40w> I've just tried your solution.. It works !!  thanks !!
[20:44] <Azelphur> yw :)
[20:47] <ax562> hello, running windoze 8.1 and xubuntu 14.04 lts 64bit and my ntfs partition fails to mount when I'm in xubuntu.  Any ideas?
[20:48] <Unit193> Got an error message?  Generally speaking, one common one would be that you need to boot into Windows, cleanly shut down, then power it back up.
[20:49] <ax562> Unit193 that does not work
[20:49] <Unit193> That's just a common one, you'll have to actually share some context there. :)
[20:49] <ax562> well thanks for the help.  what specifically do you need
[20:49] <ax562> ?
[20:51] <ax562> I was on 12.04 lts and I noticed it recently but never before.  not reason i upgraded but I did come across it...was running xfce4 on ubuntu 12.04 lts and it actually gave me terminal insctructions to fix that worked
[20:51] <Unit193> Well, what happens when you try?  Any error messages?  Anything in dmesg, syslog, or such?
[20:51] <ax562> ummm I'm a novice to intermediate user..where can I find these logs
[20:58] <Unit193> `dmesg` is a command, and /var/log/syslog is a file.
[21:08] <ax562> stock text xubuntu app?
[21:10] <ax562> blank Unit193
[21:30] <ax562> hello, running windoze 8.1 and xubuntu 14.04 lts 64bit and my ntfs partition fails to mount when I'm in xubuntu.  Any ideas?
[21:32] <ajgreeny> Hi all. New Ubuntu Member here. Hi ax562. Was the Windows ntfs partition unmounted when you tried or was Win8 going into hibernation mode?
[21:32] <ax562> ajgreeny no.  I don't hibernate and I shut down correctly
[21:33] <ax562> I tried running help instruction set mount -ro or whatever but never worked
[21:33] <ajgreeny> Are you sure?  Win8 defaults to a semi hibernation mode when it is shutdown.
[21:34] <ax562> well maybe that's my problem
[21:34] <ax562> I disable hibernation by default because I use pro tools HD
[21:34] <ax562> m
[21:35] <ax562> daw (music recording/production)
[21:36] <ajgreeny> I don't use windows at all any more, but I understand it can be a bit of a tricky business to make sure it shuts down totally, so double check all that in the https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEFI page.
[21:38] <ax562> yeah, I only shutdown correctly..I was on 12.04 without a hiccup
[21:38] <ax562> but noticed that issue came up recently even on 12.04
[21:39] <ajgreeny> Not sure then. Sorry.
[21:39] <ajgreeny> What error messages show if you try to mount it manually?
[21:42] <ax562> Windows is hibernated, refused to mount.
[21:42] <ax562> Failed to mount '/dev/sda2': Operation not permitted
[21:42] <ax562> The NTFS partition is in an unsafe state. Please resume and shutdown
[21:42] <ax562> Windows fully (no hibernation or fast restarting), or mount the volume
[21:42] <ax562> read-only with the 'ro' mount option.
[21:45] <ajgreeny> So, as I thought, your ntfs partition is flagged as still mounted, or in use.  I will have to let you search for the reason why, as I don't know anything more about Win8. Got to go now; sorry I can't help more, but at least you now know the reason for your mount problem, now you just need a solution and that's where I can't help.