=== Azelphur is now known as `AzeIphur === `AzeIphur is now known as Azelphur === chriadam|away is now known as chriadam === chihchun_afk is now known as chihchun [02:25] hi all [02:25] I have issue with my ubuntu [02:25] root@human:~# ubuntu-device-flash --channel=devel --bootstrap [02:25] DEPRECATED: Implicit 'touch' subcommand assumed [02:25] 2015/06/17 10:21:59 Expecting the device to be in the bootloader... waiting [02:25] 2015/06/17 10:21:59 Device is |mako| [02:25] 2015/06/17 10:22:01 Flashing version 2 from devel channel and server https://system-image.ubuntu.com to device mako [02:25] 2015/06/17 10:22:01 mkdir /root/.cache: permission denied [02:26] anyone can help? [02:28] difol: Why are you doing that as root? [02:29] yes root [02:30] why? cannot running on root? [02:31] It's not necessary to run that command as root, and that might be a cause of your problem. [02:31] I'll try.. thank you so much now is running === salem_ is now known as _salem === CarlosNeyPastor_ is now known as CarlosNeyPastor [04:25] I have some porting questions === mowgli is now known as MitchCarroll [04:45] hi [04:46] help me [04:48] im trying to configure windows server 2012 / dns server and active directory === marcusto_ is now known as marcustomlinson_ === chihchun is now known as chihchun_afk === marcustomlinson_ is now known as marcustomlinson === chihchun_afk is now known as chihchun [05:57] morning everyone :) [05:57] morning [05:57] fooloop: were you able to setup your WPA Enterprise already? [05:58] no, sorry, just have a new job and also have to sort out stuff for my graduate programme, working > 40hrs a week as a result. :/ [05:59] heh, OK [05:59] I have not even had time to do anything except some brief looking through the shell and the layout [05:59] :/ [05:59] well, it is possible to create manually configuration [06:00] using networkmnager or wpa_config? [06:00] it took some time to find correct for maintly due to nonsensical messages of NetworkManager [06:01] NM's configuration [06:01] As long as no customers turn up I will be looking through docs :) [06:01] grab your config on desktop and start with that :) [06:01] and good luck [06:01] :) [06:01] thank you [06:01] important message is that it _is_ possible :b [06:02] :) [06:03] I am just going to have to rtfm first, before I pretend to know what I am talking about haha [06:20] just to be sure about CVE-2015-1328 - overlayfs is not used, right? [06:20] I can't see it anywhere, kernel is old (but there still could be some backports) === chriadam is now known as chriadam|away [06:30] popey: http://news.softpedia.com/news/Ubuntu-Touch-OTA-4-Update-Causes-Problems-Canonical-Apologizes-for-Issues-and-Promises-Fixes-484533.shtml [06:57] * svij got his MX4 Ubuntu Edition \o/ https://plus.google.com/u/0/+SujeevanVijayakumaran/posts/bubZ6KggMFX [06:58] svij: wow nice!! [06:58] svij: are you in china? [06:58] svij: where did you bought it from?? [06:59] I'm one of those insiders and got it from Canonical [06:59] and no, I'm in Germany. [07:00] svij: great!! [07:01] svij: hows the overall speed? [07:03] lotuspsychje: definitly faster than the bq, most importantly the app launches are faster [07:04] svij: does the scopes lag on start? [07:06] svij: on my nexus when i start, a few second 'scopes' loading show with little lag [07:09] lotuspsychje: doesn't seem to be too slow (or as slow as on the bq), but I didn't setup any online account [07:10] svij: ok keep us up to date :p [07:11] good morning [07:11] dholbach: hello mate [07:11] dholbach: * svij got his MX4 Ubuntu Edition \o/ https://plus.google.com/u/0/+SujeevanVijayakumaran/posts/bubZ6KggMFX [07:16] hey lotuspsychje [07:16] svij, that's awesome! :-D [07:18] hey dholbach and yes, definitely [07:18] :-D [07:19] went down to the other floor at work to get bananas and found my phone… I should often get bananas *and* a new phone. :P [07:19] haha [07:21] svij: blimey, that was quick [07:23] popey: yeah, I didn't expected it THAT early. [07:43] the screen of the MX4 is great [07:43] yeah [07:43] it's a quick phone too [07:44] Got mine too! This courier service Canonical is using is incredible [07:44] and the camera seems to be great too. [07:44] * svij waits for the next "its-compiling!11" (https://xkcd.com/303/) to set up the phone properly. [07:45] SturmFlut: +1 [07:49] https://plus.google.com/102486542947898431342/posts/9GD5Guddo4g [07:50] I need better lighting, the pictures aren't great [07:50] SturmFlut: nice unboxing pics [07:50] SturmFlut: you should be the first making an onboxing movie on youtube :p [07:51] SturmFlut: yeah, same here. And I didn't bring my DSLR, didn't expect that it would come today. [07:51] lotuspsychje: I *really* suck at videos. There will be a nice unboxing article instead [07:51] the best surprise [07:51] unboxing videos are boring [07:51] but I'll make a "hands on/first impression" video probably [07:57] Hello [07:58] can anybody help me, I have a nexus 4 bbut I am still on r19 and it keeps saying my software is up to date [07:59] justCarakas, what channel are you on? [08:00] ow [08:00] thx [08:00] I tought I was on stable [08:00] but I am aparently on Ubuntu Utopic Unicorn (development branch) [08:00] seb128: anyway I can switch to stable without loosing my data ? [08:01] justCarakas, that's not a channel [08:02] that is what I get with ubuntu build description [08:02] where can I find the channel , [08:02] adb shell system-image-cli --info [08:04] it says stable [08:04] popey: ^ [08:04] whats the full output? [08:04] maybe pastebin it? [08:07] hmm anyway I can past it somewhere from my phone ? if I wanne past on a text arya I only get copy [08:07] what's the full line for channel? [08:08] channel: stable [08:08] alias: ubuntu-touch/ubuntu-rtm/14.09 [08:08] version version 19 [08:09] version ubuntu 20150508 [08:09] Error: Ubuntu bug 20150508 could not be found [08:09] version devise 20150116 [08:09] version custom: mako-1.1 [08:09] k [08:09] thats it. [08:09] http://paste.ubuntu.com/11729339/ is the list of channels for mako [08:09] maybe you want ubuntu-touch/devel/ubuntu ? [08:10] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Channels [08:10] has descriptions of the channels [08:10] you probably want ubuntu-touch/stable/ubuntu? [08:11] can I switch without loosing all my data ? [08:11] and apps ? [08:12] popey: I use it as my everyday phone, so would it be too "dangerous" to use devel ? [08:13] you can switch, yes [08:18] dunno how reliable it is as I dont have that device running that channel [08:18] I don't have the guts to take the screen protection off that MX4 :/ [08:18] so if I want to play it safe ubuntu-touch/stable/ubuntu is the best option [08:22] justCarakas: if you want the latest stuff and more reliable to boot you might be better off with rc-proposed [08:23] davmor2 is there a command I can execute on my phone in the terminal app to switch [08:25] justCarakas: yes :) Next you'll be wanting to know what it is won't you :) sudo system-image-cli --switch eg ubuntu-touch/stable/bq-aquaris.en to get back to stable [08:28] hehe thx :) [08:36] The pre-order phase for the Aquaris E5 is over! [08:43] popey: what channel would you suggest for flo if I basically want ubuntu-touch/rc-proposed ? [08:47] nhaines: im running flow on devel-proposed real smooth [08:48] lotuspsychje: that's wily though. I want to test the shell rotation bits. [08:48] nhaines: recent update got my nexus7 in landscape mode also, (if thats what you mean) [08:50] lotuspsychje: what update? Because r225 doesn't have it. [08:51] lemme check holdon [08:51] yeah, i wouldn't use wily [08:52] nhaines: im on r226 15.10 nexus7 devel-proposed [08:53] popey: I'd rather not, although MultiROM Manager doesn't give me a different option. I'm trying to switch to a different channel. Any suggestions? [08:53] updating to r227 [08:54] right, anything but wily / 15.10 [08:54] So ubuntu-touch/rc-proposed/ubuntu-developer looks good but it doesn't want to switch over. Something about an error. [08:56] ubuntu-touch/devel/ubuntu is 15.04, right? [08:57] Not anymore, I believe. Let me check. [08:58] channel: ubuntu-touch/devel-proposed/ubuntu [08:59] lsb_release -a gives wily. [08:59] yeah, thats proposed though [08:59] Good morning all; happy Eat Your Vegetables Day! [09:00] Well, I can only install devel or devel-proposed. Right now it's -proposed. devel only have r1 and r2. [09:00] popey: devel is 15.10 [09:00] someone said last time devel-proposed was best channel for n7 last time [09:00] popey: rc is 15.04 [09:01] ah [09:03] Well at least the rotatey bits are in. But it's not much use if I can't file bugs against. [09:11] nhaines: why can't you file bugs? [09:12] popey: against wily? [09:12] SturmFlut: "I don't have the guts to take the screen protection off that MX4 :/" you may want then a case made of transparent lead titanate to protect it :-) [09:12] Walex: obviously it shuold be transparent aluminum. :) [09:13] nhaines: not tough enough :-) [09:13] Walex, nhaines: I shall only accept a case made of Unobtainium [09:13] nhaines: lead titanate is actually transparent [09:13] SturmFlut: don't miss the flash sale. :) [09:13] I added "transparent" because it is not quite obvious that an alloy of lead and titanium is transparent. [09:14] * Walex not sure it is an alloy, it may be a chemical compound [09:14] * Walex oops [09:18] Any idea why after doing `~/project-rootstock-ng/rootstock-touch-install wily-preinstalled-touch-armhf.tar.gz system.img` I still see my Ubuntu Touch version as 15.04r2 ?!!!! [09:18] nhaines, why do you run wily ? the same rorartion bits landed in vivid too [09:19] nobody should *use* wily ... (except for developers to verify their packages) [09:20] ogra_: so, what would be the best channel for nexus7 flo then? [09:20] rc-proposed or rc ... [09:20] ogra_: because devel-proposed got switched out to wiki from under me. :) [09:21] The display of the MX4 appears so gigantic, even though it's just 0.4" larger than the Nexus 5 [09:21] ogra_: you sure rc-proposed got tablet support also right? [09:21] SturmFlut, yeah, the display and the camera are the lovely bits ;) [09:21] ogra_: last thing someone said devel-proposed was best image [09:21] Anyway, my only two options are devel/ubuntu and devel-proposed/ubuntu. So that's not fun. And I can't seem to switch to a different channel either. [09:22] lotuspsychje, i see flo at http://system-image.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch/rc-proposed/ubuntu/ [09:22] nhaines: yes, i see non reason not to file bugs against wily that exist in wily [09:22] yeah, you can indeed file bugs [09:22] ogra_: ok ill test it soon tnx! [09:23] nhaines, i dont understand ... we have images for all devices in the community channels in rc and rc-proposed [09:24] I'm rebooting back into wily and I'll turn on developer mode and paste some error messages. [09:25] nhaines, when i say dont use wily i mean that it doesnt get any QA, it can break any time underneath you and will only see fixes after the fact ... (nobody tests these images *before* they go out) ... if you file bugs against wily someone with a vivid device can confirm them [09:25] ogra_: I'd rather just use vivid-proposed. :) [09:25] well, then switch to the rc-proposed channel [09:25] (or make Tassadar switch his server if he doesnt offer that yet) [09:26] * nhaines sighs. :) [09:27] hi [09:28] hello [09:29] ogra_: should I in theory be able to run system-image-cli and switch from devel-proposed to rc-proposed? [09:30] how can one disable the search suggestions in the ubuntu touch browser? [09:30] nhaines, yes [09:30] (with the --switch option obviously ;) ) [09:32] ogra_: sudo system-image-cli --switch ubuntu-touch/rc-proposed/ubuntu gives: [09:32] Exception occurred during update; see log file for details [09:32] ouch [09:33] reboot (to make sure the dbus backend service is gone) and run it with -vvv again to capture errors [09:34] ogra_: this makes me sad because I'm typing everything in on the onscreen keyboard because I can't set a passcode and turn on developer mode. :P But I shall find my OTG cable while it is rebooting. [09:35] oh, why cant you set a passcode ? [09:36] bug, has been mentioned previously [09:36] ah [09:36] ogra_: technically I can, but entry is broken in wily. [09:36] * ogra_ missed that [09:36] (or forgot ...) [09:36] At the very least, wily does look very PC-like on my tablet, and that's exciting. :) [09:37] Also I can select text in the Terminal app with the mouse, which is exciting. [09:38] And if I had a mouse pointer it'd even be useful. ;) [09:38] ogra_: where does the -vvv go in the system-image-cli command, please? [09:40] Putting it first. That seemed to work. [09:41] yeah, i dont think it cares :) [09:42] ogra_: The MX4 camera is actually very good. It's not as good as my DSLR, but it seems to be good enough for all those occasions when I am too lazy to haul all the "real" equipment around [09:42] ogra_: is this the one? ubuntu-touch/rc/ubuntu-developer [09:42] ogra_: http://i.imgur.com/crNXrVz.png [09:46] nhaines: you can seleect text in terminal with your finger too :) [09:47] the sensor is just awesome (the lens could indeed be better) [09:47] thats the channel with extra developer tools [09:47] ubuntu is the "normal" community channel [09:47] popey: you mean like a peasant? :) [09:47] ogra_: so rc-proposed for flo then [09:48] ogra_: https://plus.google.com/102486542947898431342/posts/YNq5sV2RMFR [09:48] nhaines, it looks like confinement gets in your way here ... [09:48] ogra_: oh, that's sneaky! [09:48] the terminal isnt fully unconfined ... [09:49] SturmFlut: that's quite a lovely difference! Even resolution aside. [09:49] and it seems system-image tries to download into the application dir [09:49] hi === asad is now known as Guest95092 [09:49] just installed ubuntu 14.04 on my dell 7348 notebook that also has a touchpad [09:49] and a touchscreen [09:50] nhaines, android-gadget-service enable ssh; ssh localhost ... then run s-i-c again [09:50] and the touchpad is not working [09:50] please help? [09:50] that gets you an unconfined shell [09:50] ogra_: <3 [09:50] Guest95092, you want #ubuntu ... thish channel is for phones :) [09:50] *this [09:50] nhaines: The resolution is about the same, 24 vs 20.7 megapixels. I have the feelling that the MX4 could do even better if the compression level was tuned a bit better [09:51] nhaines: (and I used the JPEG output from the DSLR, the RAW image is even better) [09:52] ogra_: 2015/06/17 11:51:51 Flashing version 162 from ubuntu-touch/rc-proposed/ubuntu channel and server https://system-image.ubuntu.com to device flo [09:52] running [09:52] cool [09:53] ogra_: can you elaborate more on this? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-ux/+bug/1465331/comments/1 [09:53] Launchpad bug 1465331 in Ubuntu UX "should Dash rotate" [Undecided,New] [09:53] I could not understand what you mean there [09:53] Would it be possible to give the Ubuntu phone a RAW mode? Does the system even get access to the raw sensor data? [09:53] ogra_: hmm, I think I got the same error. :( [09:54] with the same weird terminal app path at the top ? [09:55] ogra_: I'm not seeing anything out of the ordinary. Which line in the image has the weird path? [09:58] Is it the "running state machine" message? [09:58] nhaines, the first five lines show a very weird download path in your shot [09:59] something with "terminal app" in it [10:00] /com/canonical/applications... [10:00] That's the same. [10:01] Hrm. Now I try again and "ssh localhost" prints "Permission denied (publickey)." [10:02] ogra_: rc-proposed 15.04 r162 up n running, all smoooth tnx alot! [10:05] Okay, fixed. [10:05] Even though /com/canonical etc didn't go away. :) [10:05] No crashing now though. [10:07] http://i.imgur.com/e6rtpQw.png [10:07] Yay, the first time I see a "4G" symbol on an Ubuntu phone! [10:08] lotuspsychje, awesome ! [10:08] SturmFlut, you'll get used to it :) [10:08] nhaines, that looks good [10:12] ogra_: now the long wait! But I expect things to go well from here on out. Thanks so much for the patient help. :) [10:12] SturmFlut: :) [10:20] Hello guys [10:21] rootstock-touch-install is stuck at `unpacking rootfs tarball to system-image ...` for ages now [10:21] how long should it normally take? [10:21] Any one know where I can get a better model than the BQ Aquaris 4.5 in Europe? [10:22] Can't be bigger than 4.5 inch. I find 4 inch big enough already. [10:22] ogra_, any idea? :) [10:24] ultimatetux, i havent used that tool in ... hmm ... probably 2 years ... but iirc it can take 15-20min [10:24] ogra_, hmmm... what do you usually do? [10:24] ogra_, I mean to populate the device with the system.img and the ubuntu base! [10:25] it unpacks a 2GB image ... [10:25] then dumps the system.img in the right place [10:25] ogra_: well, the upgrade is working... now to just hope it's overwriting the correct files. :) [10:25] nhaines, it will, no worries :) [10:27] ogra_, no, I mean what do *you* usually do to populate the system :) [10:28] me ? i use ubuntu-device-flash until OTA works on a new device :) [10:28] and from then on i only OTA [10:29] ogra_: Android booted just fine, and rebooting into Ubuntu, that's now showing 15.04 (r162) so that booted just fine too. :D [10:29] nhaines, awesome ! [10:30] Shell rotation is still working nicely. Now if only there was more fun convergence stuff to play with! :) [10:30] But this will do quite well. [10:31] ogra_, ah I used that when installing from 3rd party repos however it can't install from a local image, no?! [10:31] you need to turn your system.img into a device tarball ... just grab one from the system-image server to inspect the structure and build your own [10:32] ogra_, hmmm [10:32] ogra_, will do that now [10:32] ogra_, though no documentation right?! as usual :D [10:33] yeah [10:33] well, there surely is some but i dont know where ::) [10:34] Now I just have to see if I can convince Tassadar to update his channels for the N5. :) [10:34] Also N7. [10:35] yeah, you should ... defsaulting to wily isnt such a good idea [10:53] Hi, can someone tell me where the PopupUtils.close() function is documented? Thanks! [10:53] dropp, try #ubuntu-app-devel there are more app people :) [10:54] ok thanks! [10:57] question, do the webapps keep running in the background after being opened? [10:59] no [10:59] no app keeps running, as soon as they get out of focus they are stopped [11:00] (there are sevices that apps can use that keep running ... i.e. media-hub for playing music even if the app is stopped ) [11:00] thats helpful, so i could create a service that does the backgorund job? [11:01] and then just a gui frontend. [11:01] no, you need to use a service the system provides [11:01] your app cant ship them [11:01] ok, [11:01] it can only interface with them [11:02] i see. [11:02] ogra_: and if there's no system service providing what one needs? [11:02] (for security and battery usage reasons) [11:03] mr-test: then the app cannot run on the phone [11:03] mr-test, then you file a bug asking for the service ... or implement it in a proper way and offer it for inclusion (and that proper way would have to be discussed with the system architects) [11:04] this is why for example a native irc client is not possible [11:04] ogra_: not good imho.. this might bloat utouch because you need a service for everything. also makes coding harder. :/ [11:05] and it may take quite some time (if ever) until all necessary services are included [11:05] DonkeyHotei, not true ... someone just needs to develop a telepathy IRC backend ... nobody did yet [11:06] mr-test, sure, it takes longer ... but its not different to i.e. IOS [11:06] there is an irc backend for telepathy on the desktop [11:06] sacrificing app compatibilty for battery life is not the best move imho :/ [11:07] * brobostigon did just find telepathy-gabble on ubuntu touch with apt-cache. [11:07] ogra_: yep it also sucks in ios imho [11:07] DonkeyHotei, right, make it work on the phone, implement the necessary QML bits so apps can make use of it via the SDK and it should work [11:07] i always thought that was one of the biggest problems with ios [11:07] mr-test, if you want to maintain the security and battery usage level we have, there is not much you can do to work around this [11:08] even firefox os runs apps in background(some at least) and it doesn't drain battery so quickly [11:08] ah, that is why it took off so successfully :P [11:08] ogra_: let the user decide what he wants. popup and ask if he wants an app to allow running in background [11:08] it depends on the design of those things as well, [11:09] mr-test, dont discuss with me :) i'm just the messenger, i didnt design that setup ... if you want to discuss it, try the mailing list [11:09] ogra_: the lack of apps made fxos "unsuccessful" imho, not the background apps imho [11:09] on android, facebook is a great example. it sucks battery like a fish sucks water, its horrendous. [11:09] lol [11:09] right, the lack of apps ... not that fact that its performing close to unusable [11:09] brobostigon: as i said: let the user decide [11:10] mr-test: however it could also be much better designed, to behave better as well. [11:10] well, once the phoone moved to snappy you might be able to work a bit more flexible with shipping framework snaps and the like [11:10] ogra_: it performs ok imho, apps launch almost instantly, only the animations are laggy [11:10] i doubt for the current phone the design will be changed much anymore [11:11] (since that will be replaced) [11:11] ogra_: "current phone) [11:11] ? [11:11] mr-test, well, i had the alcatel one in my hands and it was definitely not usable as daily driver [11:11] the e4.5 you mean? [11:11] mr-test, the current software [11:12] ogra_: dualcore cpu? ram? [11:12] ? [11:12] ogra_: what specs had that alcatel phone? and what fxos version? [11:12] dunno, it was their first phone [11:12] i thought the zte was the first [11:12] ogra_: by replaced, you mean wily + snappy apps? [11:12] scrolling through their app store was a slideshow [11:13] DonkeyHotei, hmm, i thought it was from alcatel ... i might be wrong [11:13] ogra_: try a better phone with dualcore cpu and 512mb ram. runs very good imho [11:13] but it was fatser HW than they actually had targeted [11:13] *faster [11:14] mr-test, their target HW was feature üphones for $50 or some such ... that hing was even way beyond that [11:14] anyway ... this is not #firefoxos [11:14] and i havent used any recent version ... [11:15] what does sailfish do? [11:15] ogra_: give the emulator a try then. it's a simple firefox plugin if you want to test at reasonable speed/version [11:15] (but i was massively disappointed back then, i had an andrid G1 iin my hands about 6 months before that went on sale and it was awesome compared to that) [11:15] for those who are interested in the camera of the meizu MX4. I've made some photos → https://plus.google.com/+SujeevanVijayakumaran/posts/EZZhHASSQwm [11:15] DonkeyHotei, live fine in its niche :) [11:16] sailfsh has found its audience and it is apparently enough to keep them running ... they are not aiming for mass market as i understand it [11:16] ogra_: i think fxos doesn't run as well on such lowend devices as mozilla targeted. with enough ram/cpu it runs quite nice imho [11:16] i tried sailfish on the n5 and absolutely could not figure out how to answer a call [11:16] haha [11:17] yeah, i find the UX also very confusing ... [11:17] swipe downwards, :) [11:17] but it is fast and snappy beyond that ... and a pretty stable system [11:17] * brobostigon likes sailfish as well. [11:17] i swiped downwards and it declined the call. three times. [11:17] and i happen to like its ux. [11:17] odd. [11:18] ogra_: anyway, about that replacing of current software. what do you mean by that? -> wily+snappy apps instead of deb? [11:18] * ogra_ lies ubuntus UX more ... but i'm a wee bit biased :) [11:18] mr-test, a snappy base instead of what we have now ... [11:18] and yes, no more debs but snaps [11:19] then there is tizen, which is preloaded on a phone sold in india [11:19] (and no more click packages either ... they will be turned into snaps) [11:19] DonkeyHotei, and is as old as me :P [11:20] ogra_: and the stopping of apps might be changed there? [11:20] davmor2 I just tried the command to switch channels but it doesn't seem to do anything [11:20] (well, not really, but tizen is close to ten years old already (under different names) .... was about time they finally release *something*) [11:20] you're 60ish iirc [11:20] justCarakas, no, but the ability to install frameworks might be added [11:20] justCarakas: you just need to let it run, it doesn't display anything currently [11:20] DonkeyHotei, lol ... [11:23] ok [11:24] justCarakas, you should have used -v ... then it has output [11:24] ogra_: will the complete current ubuntu repositories be available as snappy apps? [11:24] mr-test, i doubt that [11:25] but yoou will be able to rolll your project into a snap with a tool that makes use of the binary debs [11:25] ogra_: is it possible to create a snappy app from deb packages(without recompliing)? [11:25] ah alright :) [11:25] snaps are bundles of projects, not single apps usually [11:25] davmor2: orga_ can it hurt that I had entered the command again because I tought it hadn't done anything ? [11:25] or will it just restart [11:25] so you can just translate deb to snap (that wouldnt make any sense then) [11:25] ogra_: can i install an xorg app as a snappy app on utouch then? [11:26] justCarakas, it should just restart [11:26] and run via xmir [11:26] yes [11:26] if there is a snap for it in the store ... [11:26] (else you would have to snap it up yourself first) [11:26] ogra_: named? [11:26] justCarakas: I think it just starts from scratch [11:26] ? [11:27] ogra_: what snap is in the store already? [11:27] ah sry misread [11:28] the focus for current snappy is still headless ... so there are no snaps for GUI apps yet [11:28] once there are desktop and phone images based on snappy that will change quickly i guess [11:29] davmor2: I restarted it with -v to be sure it was doing something, and it gives an error AssertionError: Missing destination files: ['/var/lib/system-image/keyring.tar.gz', '/var/lib/system-image/keyring.tar.gz.asc'] [11:30] justCarakas: no idea on that [11:30]