[01:51] <daftykins> hrmm video on the xbox about the backwards compatibility, they've basically written an emulator that has a slimmed down version of the 360 dashboard...
[01:52] <daftykins> so then you download every title as a package
[01:56] <zmoylan-pi> does it emulate the red rings of death? :-)
[01:58] <daftykins> such pessimism
[02:49] <zmoylan-pi> will there be an addon pack to scratch discs? :-)
[02:56] <daftykins> never had that
[03:15] <diddledan> so it seems osx 10.11 (el capitan, beta) can't erase optical discs via the UI
[03:16] <diddledan> and therefore telling it to "burn image" from the right-click menu on a .iso file just tells you that you need to erase the media first (when you're reusing a previously burnt disc)
[03:17] <diddledan> and.. it must be summer.. there's brightness in the sky already and it's still only 4:20
[03:18] <zmoylan-pi> the birds will start tweeting soon enough, how they pay for internet access is another story...
[03:18] <diddledan> they use wireless
[03:20] <zmoylan-pi> then why are they always perched on phone wires?
[03:20] <diddledan> http://www.drzvrs.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/wifi-bird.jpeg
[03:23] <diddledan> so. bq e5 is launched on the 22nd without a queue. the meizu is undated yet, and will have a weird origami thing to solve to get access to the queue, but is a beast of a phone. do I wait for the meizu or order the bq?
[03:24] <diddledan> we need popey to do some secret espionage things to give us advice on such matterws
[03:26] <zmoylan-pi> he can typo once for yes and twice for no... :-)
[03:27]  * diddledan tpyos there temis
[03:33]  * diddledan tpyos there temis again
[04:38] <mapps> yello
[04:38] <mapps> ;D
[04:39] <zmoylan-pi> o/
[04:39] <mapps> playing paddle tomorrow
[04:39] <mapps> ;]
[04:39] <mapps> im rather rubbish heh
[05:57] <diddledan> mornin all
[06:28] <knightwise> hey diddledan
[07:04] <MooDoo> hello all
[07:05] <diddledan> m00
[07:08] <MooDoo> :)
[07:30] <TheGeek> morning
[07:31] <popey> hello
[08:09] <ne2k> is it possible to see the contents of a print job that's on the queue, i.e. an image showing what will be printed? I've googled for "show contents of print job on queue cups OR ubuntu" and similar things but the results are all just about viewing the list of jobs, not the contents
[08:11] <TwistedLucidity> ne2k: I may well be wrong, but I am going to go with "No". To show an image, something would have to render it and I doubt the queue manager would be able to do that from the data it has
[08:11] <TwistedLucidity> Be a really neat feature to have though
[08:12] <ne2k> TwistedLucidity, so, by the time it hits the print spool directory, it's been converted into a format specific to that printer, and the generic data before that has been discarded? so to view it, you'd need to have an emulator for /that/ printer.
[08:13] <TwistedLucidity> ne2k: Was a total guess on my part. *Something* has to know what it's going to look like (the printer needs to print it!) it's more a case of whether or not that "something" can be asked to show page 1.
[08:14] <TwistedLucidity> I guess it's possible in theory, but the fact it isn't done makes me thing the API etc simply doens't exist.
[08:15] <TwistedLucidity> But I'd wait for an expert. I'm probably talking out my hat.
[08:15] <diddledan> there might be a .ps file somewhere in /var while it's in the queue
[08:15] <ne2k> TwistedLucidity, seems there's a PDF file in /var/spool/cups/d*<jobno>*
[08:15] <diddledan> probably something in /var/spool/cups
[08:16] <diddledan> ^ that
[08:16] <ne2k> diddledan, try... every job ever printed is still there
[08:17] <TwistedLucidity> Really?
[08:17] <diddledan> hmm, that could become a diskspace sinkhole then :-p
[08:17]  * TwistedLucidity goes to check
[08:17] <TwistedLucidity> Yowzah!
[08:17] <diddledan> how many?
[08:18] <ne2k> thirty-eight
[08:18] <ne2k> (I'm not a heavy printer user, as you can possibly tell)
[08:18] <TwistedLucidity> I've got the dirs, but they all appear to be emtpy...
[08:19] <ne2k> I just have lots of d* and c* files
[08:19] <TwistedLucidity> Anyway, there's the PDF/ps in there - guess it's a case of getting it on the screen. Could the print manager hook the "preview" feature than many file managers have? Or could the driver/whatever genrate a raster for the queue manager?
[08:20] <ne2k> TwistedLucidity, that would be handy
[08:21] <TwistedLucidity> I actually deal with similar problems in my day job, just not with printers.
[08:22] <TwistedLucidity> Yeah, I seem to have some PDFs, some ps files and some...goodness knows whats
[08:22] <davmor2> Morning all
[08:22] <diddledan> allo
[08:24] <TheGeek> howdy
[08:24] <TwistedLucidity> ne2k: Seems I only get previews for image files, not PDFs/ODTs etc. Guess there would a big performance hit in constantly calling the relevant apps unless they generated a raster at save time and that was (somehow) linked in a known way to the native.
[08:43] <TwistedLucidity> Out of curiosity, does anything clean-up /var/spool/cups ? I would have assumed the files got deleted once the job had been run.
[08:43] <foobarry> are they successful print jobs
[08:43] <foobarry> i expect anything sitting in spool has not printed (yet)
[08:46] <awilkins> Nope, my /var/spool/cups is full of files
[08:46] <awilkins> Not printed anything in months
[08:48] <foobarry> how old are the files
[08:48] <foobarry> oh yeah, i have tiny files
[08:49] <foobarry> going back to install date
[08:49] <foobarry> "2) PreserveJobHistory No is not in my 8.04 cups.conf; it had to be added.
[08:49] <foobarry> "
[08:50] <foobarry> i think thats the answer TwistedLucidity
[08:50] <foobarry> vi /etc/cups/cupsd.conf.default
[08:50] <foobarry> woops
[08:50] <TwistedLucidity> Ahhhhhh.....
[08:50] <foobarry> how id that autocomplete from irssi :S
[08:51] <TwistedLucidity> I'll check the GUI in a moment...just out of curiosity
[08:51] <awilkins> There's an option
[08:51] <awilkins> "Advanced server settings"
[08:52] <awilkins> Default is "preserve job history but not files"
[08:59] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Eat Your Vegetables Day!
[09:01] <davmor2> JamesTait: what is it with you and vegetables recently
[09:04] <JamesTait> Must be something in the water, davmor2.
[09:05]  * davmor2 bans JamesTait from drinking the water so we can either have meatier days or geekier days
[09:05] <JamesTait> Apple Strudel Day?
[09:06] <davmor2> JamesTait: that'll do
[09:07] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[09:08] <davmor2> brobostigon: I logged off when you asked your question last night, the chat stuff I don't think is on the tickets at all yet, too many things to get right with what we have :)
[09:10] <diddledan> hmm, methinks my old lga775 mobo's sata is dying
[09:10] <JamesTait> brobostigon, o/
[09:10] <diddledan> getting "ATA bus error"
[09:11] <brobostigon> davmor2: very true, yes, however it is something, one of us can work out how to do, and then pass it onto them, less work for them as well.
[09:11] <brobostigon> morning JamesTait
[09:12] <davmor2> brobostigon: indeed there is nothing that I know to to stop a person contributing to the project at all
[09:12] <brobostigon> davmor2: thats my thinking as well, :)
[09:21] <diddledan> ok, moving the drive to a different port seems to have sorted it
[10:35] <Myrtti> well it is a good vegetable season
[10:36] <Myrtti> I've already had first veggies from our Hozelock boxes
[10:36] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[10:36] <bashrc> morning
[10:36] <foobarry> whats a hozelock box myrrti?
[10:36] <foobarry> Myrtti:
[10:37] <Myrtti> http://www.hozelock.com/wateringsolutions/flower-vegetable-waterer-2811-1970.html
[10:37] <Myrtti> they've got a growbag version too
[10:37] <Myrtti> it's a bit dear but spares from good amount of stress
[10:41] <Myrtti> the knitting machine is turning out great fun.
[10:41] <Myrtti> I've ordered the Arduino parts for it now
[10:48] <bashrc> knitting machine?
[10:51] <Myrtti> yeah. Brother Electroknit KH-910, originally using Mylar sheets and an optical reader to electronically control the needles for doing different knitting patterns
[10:52] <Myrtti> take the original control board off and it can be modified to be controlled on any computer by the help of an Arduino Uno and a specific shield made for it
[10:55] <Myrtti> works a treat in Ubuntu :->
[10:55] <davmor2> Myrtti: did you ever get your sound issue fixed by the way?
[10:57] <Myrtti> I complained hard enough to DellCares on Twitter, I think the "I've tried it now with LiveUSB of Ubuntu and problem persists, also, if this were Developer Version of XPS13 9333, how would you treat me then" did the trick and they've apparently scheduled something to happen, I assume a phone call
[11:00] <davmor2> Myrtti: :(
[11:04] <intrbiz> I always hate stupid tech support and having to pull the line, that I know what I'm talking about, so stop with the bs
[11:05] <directhex> most people who pull that line... don't
[11:06] <Myrtti> well I just didn't want to reinstall Windows just to run a diagnostics test...
[11:29] <TheGeek> alrighty
[12:00] <Myrtti> kek http://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2015/jun/17/kitchen-gadgets-review-ikettle-boil-phone
[12:02] <popey> czajkowski: is that the kettle you have!?
[12:02] <popey> it looks familiar
[12:04] <popey> his reviews are very funny!
[12:04] <popey> http://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2015/jun/10/kitchen-gadgets-review-immersible-egg-timer-yolk-burstingly-good
[12:04] <popey> "There was also a slight smell the first time I used it, which kind of reminded me I was boiling a lump of plastic with my breakfast"
[12:14] <bigcalm> Eugh, I had one of those egg timers. Didn't work well and stank
[12:14] <popey> yeah, someone gave me one of those, never used it
[12:14] <popey> i just use the timer on the oven
[12:14] <popey> we use that for timing _everything_
[12:22] <awilkins> The basic clock app in Android is really good if you have multiple things
[12:22] <awilkins> Because you can add multiple labelled countdown timers
[12:23] <awilkins> An android wall surface in the kitchen would be great if you could set them via voice commands
[12:24] <awilkins> You can set timers by voice but I can't get it to set the labels
[12:26] <popey> or that amazon thing
[12:50] <zmoylan-pi> <unrecognised command arrrrrrghhhh my hand> :-)
[14:34] <czajkowski> popey: nope sage
[14:46] <daftykins> hrmm never used apt in place of apt-get before, nice progress bar
[14:46] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/s/zwn5vy0zczoosxt/apt-progress.png?dl=0
[15:02] <popey> yeah, i have to keep reminding myself to use apt
[15:02] <daftykins> doesn't seem to have auto-remove so it doesn't appear to do it all?
[15:03] <daftykins> lol "apt remove package+ " will install instead of remove, why would you even...
[15:03] <zmoylan-pi> to flush out the ocd folk who say it's perfectly logical? :-)
[15:05] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/sh/e83vhve5shdm93f/AADzIc9NZrlUiK-Oer-nBlkCa?dl=0
[15:05] <daftykins> my set of pics and a video of a clean setup on that Lenovo X1 Carbon i have here
[15:06] <daftykins> i'm gonna try an ubuntu live session out on it today i think
[16:24] <daftykins> http://i.imgur.com/JJcq37s.jpg - ubuntu unity on this 2560x1440 Lenovo X1 Carbon, 1.25x scaling
[16:26] <daftykins> http://i.imgur.com/0X3yocv.jpg - 1.00x scaling
[16:44] <bigcalm_> Hummf
[16:45] <Myrtti> awwwww http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/jun/17/stephen-elop-leaves-microsoft-nokia-smartphones
[16:49] <daftykins> http://i.imgur.com/Ew2Sj46.jpg - CentOS 7 to keep my mate happy ;)
[16:49] <daftykins> no scaling, 3.10 kernel, wifi doesn't work out of the box - poor :>
[17:30] <davmor2> daftykins: but servers don't user wifi ;)
[17:32] <daftykins> heh, my physics PhD mate uses it for all his sciencey software
[18:38] <jpds> daftykins: https://d1rktuf34l9h2g.cloudfront.net/7/75/75c1b58a_3trz9o.jpeg
[18:52] <daftykins> jpds: fail to see the relevance but ok
[18:53] <jpds> daftykins: Last line of your last screenshot.
[18:55] <daftykins> meh
[19:16] <foobarry> anyone bought from tinydeal? seems cheaper for chinese tat than ebay/amazon
[19:16] <foobarry> for same product
[19:20] <davmor2> foobarry: try it and let us know
[19:25] <MartijnVdS> is it like dealextreme?
[19:35] <foobarry> davmor2: i just did
[19:35] <foobarry> http://www.tinydeal.com/fashion-new-xiaomi-miband-smart-bracelet-silicone-band-watch-p-139192.html
[19:54] <foobarry> looks like an ebay seller has just set up a massive store outside of ebay
[20:21] <daftykins> foobarry: probably cheaper as a customer would have less recourse when things go wrong, as opposed to with ebay
[20:49] <diddledan> who's next for the elopalypse, then, now that microsoft has given him the boot
[20:58] <awilkins_> Hah, all as planned
[21:00] <awilkins_> Elop delivers Nokia into MS hands
[21:00] <awilkins_> Paid off. Gets to retire comfy.
[21:06] <zmoylan-pi> they've just released the trojan horse again
[21:08] <awilkins_> No-one would hire him again
[21:08] <awilkins_> Not unless they like the climate in Redmond
[21:08] <zmoylan-pi> never underestimate the stupidity of management
[21:09] <diddledan> he doesn't just do it for redmond tho - he did exactly the samemaneuver with adobe and macromedia IIRC
[21:17] <diddledan> brb, reboobing
[21:22] <zmoylan-pi> brb, rebooting.  the 'i may be gone for some time' of our era...
[21:24] <diddledan> lol
[21:25] <diddledan> well we have cars able to drive to the north pole these days
[21:25] <zmoylan-pi> only if they float, and he went walkabout at the southpole
[21:26] <diddledan> southpole, minor detail. and you've not watched topgear
[21:26] <diddledan> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Top_Gear:_Polar_Special
[21:26] <zmoylan-pi> i've seen it.
[21:30] <shauno> (that was magnetic north)
[21:31] <shauno> eg canada
[21:31] <m0nkey_> winning!
[21:32] <diddledan_> windows doesn't like me
[21:32] <m0nkey_> i dont like you!
[21:32] <m0nkey_> nah, just kidding
[21:37] <m0nkey_> diddledan_, WHY U NO USE ZNC?