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KTEChello01:12
KTECam trying  to upgrade to 14.401:13
KTECits hanging01:14
KTECwhat can i do01:14
ahoneybunmariogrip: I did not02:41
mariogripahoneybun: I activated you. I dunno what's going on with php mail not sending to some emails, I might try switch to smtp...03:29
ahoneybunthanks mariogrip03:31
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ignacioHi everyone!03:50
dholbachgood morning06:51
fooloopwell turns out eap/mschapv2 was surprisingly simple now I finally had 5 minutes07:16
fooloopmanually anyway07:16
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bricklinMissing more wifi connection setting on the ubuntu phone , anyone working on that?08:19
ogra_bricklin, what do you miss exactly08:20
bricklinEAP-settings , PEAP  TLS and more cant connect offfice netork with it08:23
ogra_i think there are bugs open for that08:26
ogra_(dont ask me which ones :) )08:26
ogra_that question comes up more often here08:26
bricklinokey , but i guess its not a bug just a missing feature :) thanks anyway08:27
ogra_well, missing features are "wishlist" bugs :)08:28
bricklinyepp :)08:29
popeybricklin: yes, there is a  long standing bug for PEAP etc.08:35
popey(I filed it two years ago)08:35
popeybug 124198608:35
ubot5bug 1241986 in ubuntu-system-settings (Ubuntu) "Cannot connect to WPA/WPA2, EAP-PEAP, MSCHAPV2 network" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/124198608:35
popeylooks like it's had some activity this month \o/08:36
ogra_yay08:36
davmor2popey: iirc it is planned for ota5 preliminarily (hopes that is the right word) also iirc all the bits are there it is just missing the gui to set it up.08:41
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lotuspsychjegmail has nice security feature now, warning me about login in from nexus7 with unknown browser :p08:42
popeydavmor2: that's happy news08:43
lotuspsychjehttp://news.softpedia.com/news/BQ-Aquaris-E5-HD-Ubuntu-Edition-Is-Now-Available-for-Purchase-Without-Pre-Order-484639.shtml08:43
lotuspsychjebq open again :p08:43
lotuspsychjesvij, sturmflut_ : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XCQKZlwWve808:48
svijlotuspsychje: I saw that already yesterday ;)08:50
lotuspsychjeah cool :p08:50
* svij will record a (german) video on the weekend probably08:50
lotuspsychjegreat!08:50
JamesTaitGood morning all; happy International Picnic Day! 😃09:04
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brobostigonthe gmail notifications, are they limit to a certain parts of the inbox?09:53
brobostigonlimited*09:53
davmor2brobostigon: just inbox iirc10:02
brobostigondavmor2: ok, strange, because it doesnt actuallly notify of all email in inbox, as far as i can tell.10:03
mcphailIs Ubuntu running on any tablet as a "daily driver" yet?10:47
davmor2mcphail: n7 and n1010:51
davmor2mcphail: more n7 than n10 though10:51
mcphaildavmor2: is n7 likely to be the ongoing best-supported device?10:52
davmor2mcphail: yeap make sure it is a n7 2013 edition though10:52
mcphaildavmor2: thanks. Looking to get one for some demos we use in the dept10:53
brunch875the new shell on utouch looks pretty neat10:56
brunch875does anyone know if the new unity is going to hit the desktop any soon?10:56
brobostigonnew shell?10:56
brunch875euh I refer to how unity behaves now10:57
brunch875with the new rotation10:57
brunch875and scrollable from top10:57
ogra_brunch875, depends how you define "soon" i guess ... it will eventually take over the desktop completely :)10:57
brunch875is it usable on the desktop now?10:58
ogra_this again depoends how you define "usable" :)10:58
brunch875I know it can be installed but I've read someplace it isn't really usable10:58
brunch875euuh... my definition would be "not extremely cumbersome to use to a point which urges you to roll back"10:59
brunch875+ stable10:59
greyback_brunch875: unity8 desktop needs a lot of work before it would replace unity7. Right now I'd call unity8 on desktop in the pre-alpha stage10:59
brunch875ah I see11:00
ogra_brunch875, https://plus.google.com/+NicholasSkaggs/posts/W6PxiF57NTW?pid=6161321864839877986&oid=115054251212417394181 ... if you can live with a terminal and a browser it could be "usable" to some extend11:00
ogra_if you want a full desktop experience, better wait 6 months :)11:01
brunch875then it is 'kinda' ready!11:01
brunch875woah!11:01
ogra_kinda :)11:01
brunch875I'll give it a try then11:02
ogra_there is a "unity8-lxc" package with which you can run it in an lxc container without trashing your system11:02
brunch875how about installing like gnome so I can select from login?11:03
brunch875is that not possible?11:03
ogra_you can select it for login i think ... with the lxc setup11:03
brunch875ooh11:03
ogra_(ask in #ubuntu-desktop, they know more)11:03
brunch875thanksman, I'll try it right away11:04
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cedian_linuxI've got my external hard drive working again Thank you gparted11:57
cedian_linuxogra_ I think unity 8 is like Windows 8 on desktops. Just horrible12:00
cedian_linuxOn a laptop it's even worse12:00
ogra_?12:03
ogra_it doesnt look any different to our current laptop desktops12:03
cedian_linuxNot on my laptop it's like a touch device12:04
seb128unity8 needs work to be desktop/laptop friendly, it's limited in its current version12:04
ogra_yeah, look again in 6 months12:05
seb128but work is ongoing so it should improv12:05
seb128e12:05
ogra_(but see the G+ post above ... you can already make it work and look like a normal desktop12:05
ogra_)12:05
cedian_linux:)12:05
cedian_linuxHow can I install/use new icons12:09
balloonsnik90, rebuilding12:09
balloonsnik90, the mp has a conflict now12:12
nik90balloons: I will be back in about 2 hrs to fix it. Urgent work.12:13
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balloonsnik90, ack. I also finished my changes: https://code.launchpad.net/~nskaggs/ubuntu-clock-app/update-test-layout/+merge/26227112:20
cedian_linuxGot a black screen with cursor when starting unity 712:26
cedian_linux812:26
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mariogripTassadar: I got ubuntu touch to install using Mulitrom, but now i got a problem with "kexec call failed" DTB: Failed to load dtb appended to zImage, invalid offset!Cannot load /realdata/media/0/multirom/roms/utouch_rc-propose1/zImage... Any ideas?13:10
Tassadarwell it's telling you what's wrong13:11
mariogripYeah, i see that, but i tried to set the offset to the same as mako, but still no luck13:12
* ogra_ bets the offset is device and initrd-size specific and needs to be computed individually13:14
Tassadardoes that zImage have dtb appended?13:14
ogra_just grabbing the value from another device is likely not working13:14
ogra_though this is interesting, dont you usually append the dtb to the kernel binary instead of the initrd ?13:15
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mariogripYeah, but it uses dtbToolCM is that a problem?13:20
mariogripogra_: Yeah, i expected it to not boot, but i just tested anyway...13:21
mcphailI wish ARM devices had sensible bootloaders13:23
ogra_uboot is nice13:23
hevyhomiei keep getting this error: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/11735349/13:24
mcphailonly if you know the magic13:24
ogra_we just need to make it the default on intel too and you have a sensible standard bootloader everywhere13:24
ogra_;)13:24
hevyhomiesorry if I intruded....13:24
mcphailuboot isn't even standard on uboot-booted devices :)13:24
ogra_details :P13:25
ogra_hevyhomie, why do you build surfaceflinger ?13:26
ogra_just kick it out13:26
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hevyhomieogra_: do I delete the .so file?13:39
hevyhomieogra_: btw, it's my first port ever since I cannot find a moto e port.13:42
ogra_no, you want to make it not build it ...13:43
ogra_so you remove it somewhere in the build scripts13:43
mariogripTassadar: http://paste.ubuntu.com/11735424/13:44
hevyhomieogra_: thanks13:49
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asok30hi guys14:16
asok30someone know if samsung galaxy gt-i9505 can boot ubuntu touch?14:17
asok30yes14:17
asok30im trying to find info how to put ubuntu on gt-i950514:18
asok30first ubuntu and then i wannt kali linux put on my device :)14:18
greyback__asok30: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices shows you might have luck14:19
asok30can someone help me?14:19
asok30i  have been there14:19
asok30im not noob but at the moment i dont know if i will do it14:20
asok30dont wanna brick my phone14:20
asok30;)14:20
greyback__https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices/i9505 has links to install instructions and an image. It's highly unlikely you'll brick your phone, but as it's a community port, there's no guarantees14:21
conyoohttps://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=973799914:30
conyoo^^14:30
jgdxthat contenthub is a cool thing kenvandine14:33
kenvandine:)14:33
* kenvandine wonders what inspired that 14:33
jgdxkenvandine, contacts import in call forwarding ui14:33
jgdxtook me 7 seconds to do 80%14:33
kenvandineah14:33
kenvandinewoot14:33
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kenvandinejdstrand, i have a branch with fixes for the recently added SocketDemangler rule which is needed for a content-hub branch i'm working on14:39
kenvandinehttps://code.launchpad.net/~ken-vandine/apparmor-easyprof-ubuntu/ual_typo/+merge/26232614:39
kenvandinejdstrand, ^^ can you take a look at that and hopefully land it in wily soonish?14:39
jdstrandkenvandine: yes, I will do that today14:39
kenvandinejdstrand, thanks!14:39
jdstrandnp14:39
asok30thanks guys :)14:40
asok30cheers14:40
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Elleoogra_, sil2100: any idea who I should be pinging about updating the touch seeds? I seem to remember pestering one or the other of you in the past, but I'm not sure what the process is now15:09
sil2100Elleo: hey!15:09
Elleosil2100: heya :)15:09
sil2100Elleo: hm, good question, ogra_ was our guy in the past but he's busy with snappy now15:10
sil2100I think I should pick that up15:10
Elleosil2100: ah cool, basically we have a bunch of new keyboard layouts to add thanks to community folks writing some awesome new layouts :)15:11
sil2100Let me take a look at that after the meeting then15:12
Elleosil2100: great, thanks15:12
Elleosil2100: the new packages are: ubuntu-keyboard-greek, ubuntu-keyboard-icelandic, ubuntu-keyboard-norwegian-bokmal, ubuntu-keyboard-romanian, ubuntu-keyboard-scottish-gaelic, ubuntu-keyboard-slovenian and ubuntu-keyboard-ukrainian :)15:12
popeyElleo: disappointed there's no ubuntu-keyboard-klingon15:31
Elleoheh15:31
Elleopopey: once the new json layout stuff is complete we'll be able to make layout click packages, so you can make your own klingon layout and distribute it in the store :)15:32
nik90Elleo: also ubuntu-keyboard-elvish pls15:32
ogra_sil2100, awesome, if you need any help, you know where to find me15:33
Elleoheh15:33
* nik90 is puzzled to see 15 elvish languages listed in wikipedia \o/15:33
* ogra_ doesnt care about klingon kbds ... i want klingon voice output !!15:33
popeyElleo: yay!15:33
ogra_(for the GPS navigation app !!!)15:34
popeyElleo: I'm also interested in a terminal layout with more nerdy buttons, like escape, ctrl + alt :)15:34
Elleopopey: that'll be trickier, as those aren't currently accepted in the layout definition, so you might have to wait a little while for that one15:34
* mcphail wonders if the windows phone keyboard has ctrl-alt-del?15:35
Elleopopey: it will, however, be possible to make a "Hodor" keyboard layout15:36
Elleosince you can have multi-letter keys15:36
ogra_each key printing "hodor" ?15:36
Elleoogra_: or just one giant "Hodor" key printing "Hodor"15:36
ogra_lol15:37
Elleoso you see, I do consider the most important use cases ;)15:37
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davmor2ogra_: only issue is then you have to talk to your phone in Klingon to make it work and I'm not sure you are fluent enough yet :P16:29
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ogra_davmor2, after i used the GPS nav app a few times by typing in and listening to it i'm sure i'll grab the basics :)16:33
Tm_Thola!16:33
Tm_Tabout MX4, is there images available for reflashing?16:37
ogra_did you break yours already ?16:38
Tm_Talmost (=16:38
Tm_Twould be easier that way instead of manually taking bits off from the root16:38
ogra_there is the ubuntu-touch/rc/meizu.en channel16:38
Tm_Tah neat, thanks16:39
ogra_that should have the image you got with the first OTA after boot16:39
Tm_Tso I can start from scratch and try break things again and again (:16:39
Tm_TI haven't managed yet to run any KDE stuff on this beast, nor any X-app16:40
ogra_wait til thats working then :)16:40
ogra_thats still 6 months away16:41
Tm_Togra_: waiting sounds boring, I rather try find the limits16:41
ogra_someone wrote a nice hack report to the ML recently16:41
ogra_running twm xvkbd and chromium on his bq16:41
Tm_Tubuntu-phone list?16:42
ogra_yeah16:42
Tm_Tthanks, will look into it16:43
mhall119for some reason my 8am alarms keep going off at 12pm17:09
mhall119anybody know why?17:09
mhall119I even deleted it and re-created it, still happens17:09
k1ldont press snooze that often ;p17:09
mhall119but when I set a test alarm at 2pm, it went off at 2pm17:09
mhall119k1l: :-P17:10
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SturmFlutogra_: I can't help but notice that everbody and their mom is doing Snappy now17:27
ogra_:D17:27
ogra_awesome, aint it ? :)17:27
SturmFlutogra_: Which makes me think what you and your Snappy Skynet did to make this happen17:27
ogra_just not giving up is key :)17:28
* SturmFlut noticed that the Snappy "logo" looks like a Borg cubus17:28
ogra_LOL17:28
nik90mhall119: vivid or willy?17:29
mhall119nik90: wily17:30
SturmFlutogra_: Just so you know, if you plan to abduct me with your Snappy Erle Drones because I know too much, mzanetti has a full copy of all the records17:30
nik90mhall119: I remember taibot mentioning something similar yesterday and the issue exists only in willy. I believe charles is copying the fix from vivid to willy.17:30
mhall119nik90: cool,thanks17:31
mzanettiwhat?17:31
ogra_SturmFlut, ah,, damn ... but i can bribe him17:31
SturmFlutmzanetti: Psst, just play along!17:31
mzanettioh, those records17:31
mhall119SturmFlut: mzanetti is already compromised, who do you think turned you in? ;)17:32
* ogra_ cleans the record player so it is ready when the records show up :P17:32
SturmFlutDamned mzanetti, not you too!17:32
SturmFlutHm, what's that high-pitched noise that's getting louder17:33
mhall119ignore it, it's nothing, just stay within 2 meters of your current position17:33
SturmFlutGood evening, ladies and gentlemen! May I introduce you to the Church of Snappy?17:37
SturmFlutAnd no, I have definitely not been brainwashed in the meantime17:37
ogra_oh, i hadnt looked at G+ yet ...17:37
SturmFlutogra_: My G+ is going crazy since I got that MX417:38
SturmFluthttp://sturmflut.github.io/ubuntu/touch/2015/06/18/an-early-look-at-the-Meizu-MX4-ubuntu-edition/17:39
ogra_yeah, i can imagine :)17:39
* ogra_ just saw http://news.softpedia.com/news/Ubuntu-Touch-to-Switch-Soon-to-Ubuntu-Snappy-Core-484677.shtml17:39
ogra_"soon" hah17:39
SturmFlutogra_: I bet you five euros that your krillin and arale are already running Snappy17:40
popeyi like that meizu shared an insiders video on fb17:40
ogra_SturmFlut, shhh :)17:40
SturmFlutpopey: Yeah, that was very nice!17:40
SturmFlutogra_: Just give me the money17:40
* ogra_ sneakse the money to SturmFlut undre the table 17:40
* SturmFlut pretends nothing has happened17:41
* SturmFlut whistles17:41
ogra_lovely !17:41
ogra_"There you go, Ubuntu Touch based on Ubuntu Snappy Core and with the power to do much more than just being a phone. It could act like a Raspberry Pi on steroids."17:41
nik90popey: Meizu shared it on g+ as well .. nice to see engage with the community17:42
svijyou all are hilarious :)17:42
mhall119popey: I loved seeing that too18:04
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pundirhi.. i'm kind of stuck on installing vivid-preinstalled-touch-armhf on Nexus 7.18:23
pundirrootstock-touch-install doesn't finish and appears to be stuck or waiting for something18:23
pundirat: adding android system image to installation ...18:24
pundiri was able to run ubuntu-touch on Nexus 7 sometime back18:24
pundirhas anything changed in between?18:24
ahoneybunmhall119: yay that update fix for GPS has the nearby scope working now!18:36
crs1hi, i am trying to flash an old revision with ubuntu-device-flash --revision=200 touch --channel=ubuntu-touch/devel-proposed/ubuntu19:46
crs1and it always flashes with the following error:19:46
crs1Cannot push /home/anna/.cache/ubuntuimages/pool/custom-f8b7a05c79b51ebe4d170c9e9cca51fe9e0898c81dd4455e7f24247ba12abcf9.tar.xz.asc to device: free space on /cache/recovery is 542M19:46
crs1any ideas?19:46
popeycrs1: probably running out of space in /cache/recovery on the device - maybe clean up old files?20:02
crs1can i just delete those files in there?20:03
crs1because this seems to be totally random. i get this error 19 out of 20 times20:03
crs1but 1 out of 20 times it just works20:03
popeyI think so, yes20:03
popeyI have seen this too20:03
Tm_Tuhuh, flashing is slow business20:04
tathhuÄh20:05
crs1the files in there are write protected... should i really delete them?20:05
Tm_Thi tathhu (:20:05
tathhuTm_T: ^^20:05
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popeycrs1: what are the biggest files in there?20:11
crs1there is no file left, i deleted all of them. it still doesnt work :(20:12
popeywhat device is it?20:12
crs1nexus 420:12
popeyhmm20:12
lotuspsychjehttp://news.softpedia.com/news/Ubuntu-Touch-to-Switch-Soon-to-Ubuntu-Snappy-Core-484677.shtml20:33
Tm_Tthird time the charm, how annoying20:33
tathhu:d20:33
Ion1hola, ¿existe algún cliente xmpp para ubuntu phone?21:16
tathhuEi voi tietää21:18
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aSheepieHi folks, love the new browser update in the latest OTA, and the "popup" browser in webapps is good, but is this an instance of the default browser, or somehow tied into the webapp? For example, will any cookies generated in this popup browser be set in the main browser app path, or the webapp one?22:52
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nhainesaSheepie: can you give an example of a webapp with a "popup" browser?23:59

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