[01:19] <Unit193> micahg: Heya, sorry to bother, but eyes? :)
[01:20] <Unit193> Howdy.
[01:21] <micahg> Unit193: heh, they still need a set of eyes on it :)
[01:21] <micahg> I'll take a look
[01:21] <Unit193> Hah, nice.
[01:22] <micahg> Unit193: which PPA again?
[01:22] <Unit193> unit193/staging.
[01:27] <micahg> looking
[01:34] <micahg> umm...chroot issues, sigh
[02:22] <micahg> sorry, not looking like I'll be able to do that tonight
[02:25] <Unit193> Sure, noooo problemo!
[08:13] <ochosi> bluesabre: i'll try to get some last icons done for LO today, can we then go ahead, do the release and upload?
[08:14] <ochosi> obviously there are still tons of icons to-do, but i'd like to do a first upload as i
[08:15] <ochosi> 'm not sure how early i'll be able to focus on the calc icons
[08:15] <ochosi> also, those are a lot more that need fixing/drawing
[08:15] <ochosi> writer looks pretty okayish already
[09:24] <knome> ochosi, ping
[09:24] <knome> ochosi, did you see this already: http://pad.ubuntu.com/xubuntu-derivative-guidelines
[09:24] <knome> i've gathered some more derivatives that claim to be based on xubuntu on that pad
[09:25] <knome> i think we should try to contact the derivatives generally after we've finished these guidelines
[09:25] <knome> especially those who use our branding/point to our support resources
[09:25] <ochosi> hey knome 
[09:25] <knome> (or generally, break the guidelines)
[09:25] <ochosi> i've seen it before, not sure whether there have been updates to the guidelines since then
[09:25] <knome> another pad i literally just set up is http://pad.ubuntu.com/xubuntu-related-websites
[09:26] <knome> no, not the guidelines themself
[09:27] <ochosi> sounds like a good plan to get an oversight of what's out there
[09:27] <ochosi> i really haven't looked much myself so far
[09:27] <knome> so for the localized pages, they are fine, i'd just have thought they would have contacted us
[09:27] <knome> they use our old logos and stuff, so that's a bit meh
[09:28] <ochosi> right
[09:28] <ochosi> maybe we should contact them as well then
[09:28] <ochosi> guess it could be a generic email we send out to all of them
[09:28] <knome> yeah
[09:29] <knome> http://xubuntu.fr/
[09:30] <knome> there too, they use the new logo, but not in the specified color
[09:30] <knome> so we don't like that :P
[09:31] <ochosi> really weird that there are those totally disconnected communities
[09:32] <knome> yep...
[09:32] <ochosi> that don't even seem to look for any cooperation or communication with us
[09:32] <ochosi> basically like hermetic interest groups
[09:33] <knome> well yeah... what can you do
[09:33] <knome> i haven't seen many derivative people around here either
[09:33] <ochosi> not much i guess
[09:33] <ochosi> we can't get involved personally in all sub-communities as well
[09:34] <knome> some sure, but considering the list i just put up is the top 5 pages in google for "based on xubuntu"...
[09:34] <knome> of course we can't, but the sub-communities could get involved with our community
[09:34] <knome> or at least make themselves visible to us
[09:34] <knome> i'm sure nobody in the team thinks that derivatives are only a bad thing, or want to stop them from spreading modified versions even
[09:35] <knome> but some of their actions can turn out meh
[09:35] <knome> and it could have been avoided with some simple communication
[09:36] <ochosi> yeah, that's often the case with many things
[09:37] <knome> so i'd like to (again) encourage people to start communiating with us
[09:37] <Unit193> Hi.
[09:37] <knome> hey Unit193.
[09:38] <knome> aha.. http://www.linuxpusher.com/product/notebook-sticker-xubuntu-grey
[09:38] <knome> so they sell stickers with the old logo with no permission
[09:38] <knome> hmm
[09:52] <ochosi> i guess we could ask them for sticker donations
[09:52] <ochosi> but then again, who of us would hand them out
[09:52] <knome> i guess we could ask them to update the logo
[09:52] <knome> or drop it
[09:52] <knome> (:
[09:52] <knome> ^ the nice version
[10:04] <ochosi> lunchtime, bbabl
[10:04] <knome> bon appetit
[10:55] <knome> hello bluesabre 
[10:56]  * bluesabre is spotted
[10:56] <knome> yep, no way to escape
[10:56] <bluesabre> good thing I brought my
[10:56] <bluesabre> box!
[10:56] <knome> huhu
[10:57] <bluesabre> ____
[10:57] <bluesabre> |:)|
[10:58] <bluesabre> how's it going knome?
[10:58] <knome> slowly, but in a good way
[10:59] <knome> poking this and that as you can see ;)
[10:59] <bluesabre> :)
[10:59] <bluesabre> yeah, good work :D
[11:00] <ochosi> hey bluesabre 
[11:00] <bluesabre> hiya ochosi
[11:01] <ochosi> writing from my new laptop for the first time
[11:01] <ochosi> touchpad is still a bit tricky, seems i touch it frequently when typing
[11:03] <bluesabre> Mouse and Touchpad > Select touchpad > Disable touchpad while typing
[11:03] <knome> haha
[11:03] <knome> touche
[11:03] <ochosi> yeah, can't seem to find the ideal timeout
[11:03] <ochosi> and sometimes there are some quirks with keyboard or touchpad becoming inactive for a bit
[11:04] <knome> which laptop is it again?
[11:04] <ochosi> xps 13 ubuntu developer edition
[11:04] <ochosi> (dell)
[11:04] <knome> mm
[11:06] <ochosi> bluesabre: do you need anything from my side to get the LO icons on  our iso other than me tagging a first release on github?
[11:06] <bluesabre> if you wanted to write the debian copyright, that'd be nice ;)
[11:07] <bluesabre> but no, I think that should be it.  I'll figure out the proper packaging and start the long road to upload
[11:07] <ochosi> personally, i'd mostly copy-paste it from libreoffice-style-human
[11:07] <ochosi> yeah, since it's likely going to be a long road it'd be better if we start it now that we still have time
[11:07] <bluesabre> yeah, but then there's also the attribution bits to you, knome, elementary
[11:08] <ochosi> elementary bits are already there
[11:08] <ochosi> humanity is based on elementary after all
[11:08] <bluesabre> ah
[11:08] <ochosi> so only the attribution to knome and me (or shimmer) is missing
[11:08] <bluesabre> cool
[11:08] <bluesabre> I'll poke you later with the draft
[11:08] <ochosi> shall we keep the debian stuff in the repo too?
[11:08] <ochosi> ah ok
[11:08] <ochosi> perfect
[11:09] <bluesabre> nah, no need
[11:09] <ochosi> ok
[11:09] <ochosi> i'm not opposed to keeping things in one place, and the copyright stuff might actually have some benefit
[11:09] <knome> no reason not to put it in the repository either
[11:09] <bluesabre> have you shown dan the current version to get his impression?
[11:09] <bluesabre> we'd be better with an AUTHORS file
[11:10] <bluesabre> but I can dump the debian packing in there, sure why not :)
[11:11] <ochosi> i havent shown him the progress
[11:11] <ochosi> but then again, he didnt seem terribly interested in icons for LO
[11:12] <ochosi> said something like i could knock myself out, but he/they didn't want any part in it
[11:12] <bluesabre> cool, thats fine then
[11:12] <bluesabre> :)
[11:12] <ochosi> yup
[11:12] <ochosi> checked that *before* i started ;)
[11:13] <ochosi> anyway, they're aware, i might send them a screenshot at some point
[11:13] <knome> a-CHOO!
[11:13] <knome> gosh..
[11:13] <ochosi> bless you
[11:14] <knome> ta ta
[11:16] <bluesabre> :)
[11:17] <ochosi> bluesabre: btw, i'll soon see whether i have the same icon issues with LO as you since my screen has likely the same px-density as yours now
[11:20] <bluesabre> ochosi: sure, but you also addressed several of my issues :)
[11:22] <ochosi> yeah, the insert-field issue is left i guess
[11:22] <bluesabre> hm
[11:22] <bluesabre> the highlight icon is quite high up there now
[11:23] <ochosi> highlight icon?
[11:24] <bluesabre> http://i.imgur.com/ttDrHo0.png
[11:24] <bluesabre> maybe not
[11:24] <ochosi> that's not my fault
[11:24] <ochosi> didnt even touch that one
[11:24] <knome> did you know you can buy a xubuntu disc from amazon?
[11:24] <ochosi> problem is that there is no color selected
[11:25] <ochosi> looks better than without
[11:25] <ochosi> knome: wooot
[11:25] <knome> the seller mentions the list price is $39.99, but sell it discounted at $8.99
[11:25] <bluesabre> oh, I see
[11:25] <knome> that's... fishy
[11:25] <knome> ochosi, yeah i know, you bump to the weirdest stuff...
[11:25] <ochosi> is it a private person?
[11:26] <ochosi> or a business scam
[11:26] <knome> "LinuxFreak"
[11:26] <knome> http://www.amazon.com/Xubuntu-Linux-14-04-CD-Official/dp/B00JTNN88A
[11:27] <knome> "official" my arse
[11:27] <knome> "oops i said it aloud"
[11:27] <bluesabre> "oooooopsies I tooted"
[11:28] <knome> https://ualinux.com/en/pay/ubuntu-oem/1404-oem-pack/xubuntu-pack-1404-oem-detail
[11:28] <knome> harumph
[11:28] <bluesabre> ochosi: other than that, the theme looks quite polished in writer
[11:29] <ochosi> bluesabre: thanks, insert-link is still missing amongst others
[11:29] <ochosi> working on that as we speak
[11:29] <bluesabre> nice
[12:07] <ochosi> bluesabre, knome: thoughts? http://i.imgur.com/KAfssNB.png
[12:08] <bluesabre> :\
[12:10] <bluesabre> gotta run, bbl
[12:56] <knome> ochosi, not too bad, but need to see in context
[13:55] <sorinb> is it legal to sell *buntu cd's ?
[13:55] <sorinb> contradicts the philosophy of Ubuntu
[14:09] <knome> as long as the person selling them doesn't make any profit (or reasonable amount of profit)
[14:09] <knome> reasonable being related to shipping+handling, burning
[14:10] <knome> something like $5 is usually considered just fine
[14:10] <knome> MSRP of $39.99 isn't (though i don't think they've ever tried to sell the CDs with that price point)
[14:17] <knome> on another note, after going through several derivatives, there seems to be a few that haven't taken removing xubuntu branding seriously
[14:52] <sorinb> removing ?
[15:00] <knome> yes.
[15:00] <knome> unofficial derivatives can't use trademarked names or logos.
[15:01] <sorinb> interesting. I never heard of a xubuntu derivate
[15:01] <knome> well, at least if you abide the trademark laws
[15:10] <knome> pleia2, ochosi: http://pad.ubuntu.com/xubuntu-derivative-guidelines
[15:10] <knome> i've added a questionnaire draft at the end of the pad - i'm thinking we could/should gather information about the derivatives that way - and possibly get communication started with it
[15:11] <knome> not sure if everything there is something we want to ask, but these are all the things that came to my mind in the last few days
[15:17] <knome> Unit193, you know (someone from) the security onion community?
[16:49] <ochosi> knome: great idea and good questionnaire, sounds like a good way to go!
[20:52] <Unit193> knome: No, just talked to a tails person before.
[21:01] <knome> bluesabre, ping?
[21:23] <ochosi> bluesabre: question: do you intend to take the easy road and just ship the LO icons with xubuntu-artwork or do you wanna take the more laborious (but i guess generally nicer) approach of libreoffice-style-elementary?
[21:25] <Unit193> libreoffice-style-elementary, the first is Xubuntu branding and a meta.
[21:26] <ochosi> well, elementary-xfce is also dubbed xubuntu-icon-theme
[21:26] <Unit193> Well, except for /usr/share/gmusicbrowser/pix/elementary/gmusicbrowser.png
[22:02] <knome> ochosi, also...
[22:02] <knome> ochosi, @ http://pad.ubuntu.com/xubuntu-derivative-guidelines, can you check if the package list makes sense at all?
[22:03] <Unit193> Nope.
[22:04] <knome> Unit193, did i ask you anything? :)
[22:04] <Unit193> knome: No, but you should have asked how my tea was! :P
[22:08] <bluesabre> ochosi: going to package it specifically
[22:08] <bluesabre> knome: hm?
[22:09] <Unit193> \o/
[22:09] <knome> bluesabre, what was that about the editable link?
[22:09] <knome> i don't understand...
[22:09] <knome> bluesabre, http://calendar.google.com/ :P
[22:10] <knome> bluesabre, click on the +GoogleCalendar button at the right bottom
[22:10] <bluesabre> knome: I had the public link, which for me was basically useless
[22:10] <bluesabre> I got it now
[22:10] <bluesabre> Unit193 added me directly
[22:10] <knome> aha :)
[22:10] <pleia2> I didn't know there was a private link, it just shows up in my calendar with magic
[22:10] <knome> so you just weren't a member
[22:11] <knome> pleia2, it's the same link, you just have to have edit rights
[22:11] <pleia2> ah
[22:11] <Unit193> Well, there is a private link too, that you can use in, say, thunderbird.
[22:11] <knome> (and be logged in)
[22:12] <knome> Unit193, i just checked what my link said, it's basically the calendar ID
[22:20] <Unit193> Hmm.
[23:08] <knome> i will be off from today until some time monday
[23:09] <knome> not going to make the meeting
[23:09] <knome> well tomorrow tbe; i might pop in early tomorrow or not
[23:09] <knome> have a nice weekend everybody!
[23:56] <bluesabre> seeya knome