[01:19] micahg: Heya, sorry to bother, but eyes? :) [01:20] Howdy. [01:21] Unit193: heh, they still need a set of eyes on it :) [01:21] I'll take a look [01:21] Hah, nice. [01:22] Unit193: which PPA again? [01:22] unit193/staging. [01:27] looking [01:34] umm...chroot issues, sigh [02:22] sorry, not looking like I'll be able to do that tonight [02:25] Sure, noooo problemo! [08:13] bluesabre: i'll try to get some last icons done for LO today, can we then go ahead, do the release and upload? [08:14] obviously there are still tons of icons to-do, but i'd like to do a first upload as i [08:15] 'm not sure how early i'll be able to focus on the calc icons [08:15] also, those are a lot more that need fixing/drawing [08:15] writer looks pretty okayish already [09:24] ochosi, ping [09:24] ochosi, did you see this already: http://pad.ubuntu.com/xubuntu-derivative-guidelines [09:24] i've gathered some more derivatives that claim to be based on xubuntu on that pad [09:25] i think we should try to contact the derivatives generally after we've finished these guidelines [09:25] especially those who use our branding/point to our support resources [09:25] hey knome [09:25] (or generally, break the guidelines) [09:25] i've seen it before, not sure whether there have been updates to the guidelines since then [09:25] another pad i literally just set up is http://pad.ubuntu.com/xubuntu-related-websites [09:26] no, not the guidelines themself [09:27] sounds like a good plan to get an oversight of what's out there [09:27] i really haven't looked much myself so far [09:27] so for the localized pages, they are fine, i'd just have thought they would have contacted us [09:27] they use our old logos and stuff, so that's a bit meh [09:28] right [09:28] maybe we should contact them as well then [09:28] guess it could be a generic email we send out to all of them [09:28] yeah [09:29] http://xubuntu.fr/ [09:30] there too, they use the new logo, but not in the specified color [09:30] so we don't like that :P [09:31] really weird that there are those totally disconnected communities [09:32] yep... [09:32] that don't even seem to look for any cooperation or communication with us [09:32] basically like hermetic interest groups [09:33] well yeah... what can you do [09:33] i haven't seen many derivative people around here either [09:33] not much i guess [09:33] we can't get involved personally in all sub-communities as well [09:34] some sure, but considering the list i just put up is the top 5 pages in google for "based on xubuntu"... [09:34] of course we can't, but the sub-communities could get involved with our community [09:34] or at least make themselves visible to us [09:34] i'm sure nobody in the team thinks that derivatives are only a bad thing, or want to stop them from spreading modified versions even [09:35] but some of their actions can turn out meh [09:35] and it could have been avoided with some simple communication [09:36] yeah, that's often the case with many things [09:37] so i'd like to (again) encourage people to start communiating with us [09:37] Hi. [09:37] hey Unit193. [09:38] aha.. http://www.linuxpusher.com/product/notebook-sticker-xubuntu-grey [09:38] so they sell stickers with the old logo with no permission [09:38] hmm [09:52] i guess we could ask them for sticker donations [09:52] but then again, who of us would hand them out [09:52] i guess we could ask them to update the logo [09:52] or drop it [09:52] (: [09:52] ^ the nice version [10:04] lunchtime, bbabl [10:04] bon appetit [10:55] hello bluesabre [10:56] * bluesabre is spotted [10:56] yep, no way to escape [10:56] good thing I brought my [10:56] box! [10:56] huhu [10:57] ____ [10:57] |:)| [10:58] how's it going knome? [10:58] slowly, but in a good way [10:59] poking this and that as you can see ;) [10:59] :) [10:59] yeah, good work :D [11:00] hey bluesabre [11:00] hiya ochosi [11:01] writing from my new laptop for the first time [11:01] touchpad is still a bit tricky, seems i touch it frequently when typing [11:03] Mouse and Touchpad > Select touchpad > Disable touchpad while typing [11:03] haha [11:03] touche [11:03] yeah, can't seem to find the ideal timeout [11:03] and sometimes there are some quirks with keyboard or touchpad becoming inactive for a bit [11:04] which laptop is it again? [11:04] xps 13 ubuntu developer edition [11:04] (dell) [11:04] mm [11:06] bluesabre: do you need anything from my side to get the LO icons on our iso other than me tagging a first release on github? [11:06] if you wanted to write the debian copyright, that'd be nice ;) [11:07] but no, I think that should be it. I'll figure out the proper packaging and start the long road to upload [11:07] personally, i'd mostly copy-paste it from libreoffice-style-human [11:07] yeah, since it's likely going to be a long road it'd be better if we start it now that we still have time [11:07] yeah, but then there's also the attribution bits to you, knome, elementary [11:08] elementary bits are already there [11:08] humanity is based on elementary after all [11:08] ah [11:08] so only the attribution to knome and me (or shimmer) is missing [11:08] cool [11:08] I'll poke you later with the draft [11:08] shall we keep the debian stuff in the repo too? [11:08] ah ok [11:08] perfect [11:09] nah, no need [11:09] ok [11:09] i'm not opposed to keeping things in one place, and the copyright stuff might actually have some benefit [11:09] no reason not to put it in the repository either [11:09] have you shown dan the current version to get his impression? [11:09] we'd be better with an AUTHORS file [11:10] but I can dump the debian packing in there, sure why not :) [11:11] i havent shown him the progress [11:11] but then again, he didnt seem terribly interested in icons for LO [11:12] said something like i could knock myself out, but he/they didn't want any part in it [11:12] cool, thats fine then [11:12] :) [11:12] yup [11:12] checked that *before* i started ;) [11:13] anyway, they're aware, i might send them a screenshot at some point [11:13] a-CHOO! [11:13] gosh.. [11:13] bless you [11:14] ta ta [11:16] :) [11:17] bluesabre: btw, i'll soon see whether i have the same icon issues with LO as you since my screen has likely the same px-density as yours now [11:20] ochosi: sure, but you also addressed several of my issues :) [11:22] yeah, the insert-field issue is left i guess [11:22] hm [11:22] the highlight icon is quite high up there now [11:23] highlight icon? [11:24] http://i.imgur.com/ttDrHo0.png [11:24] maybe not [11:24] that's not my fault [11:24] didnt even touch that one [11:24] did you know you can buy a xubuntu disc from amazon? [11:24] problem is that there is no color selected [11:25] looks better than without [11:25] knome: wooot [11:25] the seller mentions the list price is $39.99, but sell it discounted at $8.99 [11:25] oh, I see [11:25] that's... fishy [11:25] ochosi, yeah i know, you bump to the weirdest stuff... [11:25] is it a private person? [11:26] or a business scam [11:26] "LinuxFreak" [11:26] http://www.amazon.com/Xubuntu-Linux-14-04-CD-Official/dp/B00JTNN88A [11:27] "official" my arse [11:27] "oops i said it aloud" [11:27] "oooooopsies I tooted" [11:28] https://ualinux.com/en/pay/ubuntu-oem/1404-oem-pack/xubuntu-pack-1404-oem-detail [11:28] harumph [11:28] ochosi: other than that, the theme looks quite polished in writer [11:29] bluesabre: thanks, insert-link is still missing amongst others [11:29] working on that as we speak [11:29] nice [12:07] bluesabre, knome: thoughts? http://i.imgur.com/KAfssNB.png [12:08] :\ [12:10] gotta run, bbl [12:56] ochosi, not too bad, but need to see in context [13:55] is it legal to sell *buntu cd's ? [13:55] contradicts the philosophy of Ubuntu [14:09] as long as the person selling them doesn't make any profit (or reasonable amount of profit) [14:09] reasonable being related to shipping+handling, burning [14:10] something like $5 is usually considered just fine [14:10] MSRP of $39.99 isn't (though i don't think they've ever tried to sell the CDs with that price point) [14:17] on another note, after going through several derivatives, there seems to be a few that haven't taken removing xubuntu branding seriously [14:52] removing ? [15:00] yes. [15:00] unofficial derivatives can't use trademarked names or logos. [15:01] interesting. I never heard of a xubuntu derivate [15:01] well, at least if you abide the trademark laws [15:10] pleia2, ochosi: http://pad.ubuntu.com/xubuntu-derivative-guidelines [15:10] i've added a questionnaire draft at the end of the pad - i'm thinking we could/should gather information about the derivatives that way - and possibly get communication started with it [15:11] not sure if everything there is something we want to ask, but these are all the things that came to my mind in the last few days [15:17] Unit193, you know (someone from) the security onion community? [16:49] knome: great idea and good questionnaire, sounds like a good way to go! === mhall119_ is now known as mhall119 [20:52] knome: No, just talked to a tails person before. [21:01] bluesabre, ping? [21:23] bluesabre: question: do you intend to take the easy road and just ship the LO icons with xubuntu-artwork or do you wanna take the more laborious (but i guess generally nicer) approach of libreoffice-style-elementary? [21:25] libreoffice-style-elementary, the first is Xubuntu branding and a meta. [21:26] well, elementary-xfce is also dubbed xubuntu-icon-theme [21:26] Well, except for /usr/share/gmusicbrowser/pix/elementary/gmusicbrowser.png [22:02] ochosi, also... [22:02] ochosi, @ http://pad.ubuntu.com/xubuntu-derivative-guidelines, can you check if the package list makes sense at all? [22:03] Nope. [22:04] Unit193, did i ask you anything? :) [22:04] knome: No, but you should have asked how my tea was! :P [22:08] ochosi: going to package it specifically [22:08] knome: hm? [22:09] \o/ [22:09] bluesabre, what was that about the editable link? [22:09] i don't understand... [22:09] bluesabre, http://calendar.google.com/ :P [22:10] bluesabre, click on the +GoogleCalendar button at the right bottom [22:10] knome: I had the public link, which for me was basically useless [22:10] I got it now [22:10] Unit193 added me directly [22:10] aha :) [22:10] I didn't know there was a private link, it just shows up in my calendar with magic [22:10] so you just weren't a member [22:11] pleia2, it's the same link, you just have to have edit rights [22:11] ah [22:11] Well, there is a private link too, that you can use in, say, thunderbird. [22:11] (and be logged in) [22:12] Unit193, i just checked what my link said, it's basically the calendar ID [22:20] Hmm. [23:08] i will be off from today until some time monday [23:09] not going to make the meeting [23:09] well tomorrow tbe; i might pop in early tomorrow or not [23:09] have a nice weekend everybody! [23:56] seeya knome